Game Thread 2: July 1, 2009
by Ryan on Jul 1, 2009 9:14 PM EDT
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Top of the eighth, Chicago up 6-2.
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Anyone know a lot about European trains and or those weird planes that fly around Europe?
I am trying to get from Copenhagen (or Oslo) to somewhere I can fly to Casablanca. I don’t want to screw with airports if I don’t have to.
/crickets
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jul 1, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I certainly don’t but I’m willing to bet if anyone does they’re on LGT. This is the most diverse group of people ever.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Well I mean in general. I don’t think I have ever seen a group of people who know as much diverse information as this one.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Hmm. I never did anything in Scandinavia. Let me think on it.
by fleerdon on Jul 1, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope they tested like dispair.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jul 1, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
“I hope they tasted like dis pair! (gestures)”
by Logodaedalus on Jul 1, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I tried doing this with a Joe Sewell joke last week. This site is on a roll.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jul 1, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
This is as good a place as any to put this:
Carrasco has a FB that sits at 92, and occasionally touches 95. Average curve, plus change, weapon against lefties.
Started the futures game for the World team last year. Also rumored to be a possible return in the Sabathia sweepstakes last year.
If we could get a couple of relievers and maybe a promising single-A-ish prospect too — or alternatively just a second, somewhat lesser but still promising, SP prospect — I’d do it.
For Cliff Lee? Are you nuts?
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jul 1, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
We got a near-major league ready top hitting prospect, a AA hitting prospect, a quasi-major league starter, and a reliever. And that was for three months, not 15.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jul 1, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I am not in the camp that thinks a Cliff Lee trade makes us better next year.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jul 1, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
We’d need like Kershaw plus an everyday player from the Dodgers lineup for me to even consider it.
Proud Fan of the Worst Baseball Team I've Ever Seen
This.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jul 1, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean, not the everyday player. I would do Kershaw.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jul 1, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Lee won’t be on pitch 100 in the 5th inning of an NLCS game.
Proud Fan of the Worst Baseball Team I've Ever Seen
Haha, true, but for what we would want in addition to Kershaw, I don’t think the difference between he and Lee would be worth the Dodger’s time.
I agree. Which is why I’m against a Lee trade.
Proud Fan of the Worst Baseball Team I've Ever Seen
by westbrook on Jul 1, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not much. Which is why I’m against a Lee trade.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jul 1, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m also not in the camp that thinks 2010 should be punted because we have a good pitching prospect in Akron.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jul 1, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yes and no. It can be done in other ways, most of them more long-term, you know, like drafting and signings. If we do fall out of it in 2010, we can deal Lee then. We could get A-ball pitchers for guys like Betancourt and Carroll and Pavano.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jul 1, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess I disagree that we can get a prospect like Rondon with an arrival date of 2011 for Betancourt, Carroll, or Pavano. I am receptive to the idea of trading Victor instead of Lee, but that is a limited market, and he is not as valuable.
I interpreted post-2010 world as being broader than 2011. I’m against trading either.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jul 1, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I just don’t see the pitching depth to field a respectable rotation after Westbrook and Lee leave after 2010.
This could be construed as an argument to pull out all the stops for 2010, but I get what you’re saying.
by Logodaedalus on Jul 1, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
My focus is being competitive for 2011-2014, given our position player depth, rather than pulling out all the stops for 2010.
Yeah. I agree. I don’t want to give up on 2010 though. I don’t think the two are all that in conflict, actually.
by Logodaedalus on Jul 1, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
This works both ways, though. You’re talking about stockpiling pitching depth, but that’s not easy to do. At least part of this plan is depedent on the guys we have turning into major leaguers, and at least one to be near Cliff Lee-level elite.
Well, we have one of those guys. Let’s ride him while we have him.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jul 1, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Not exclusively. We take a hit on 2010, certainly, but I’d insist on getting a SP who can be expected to be a rotation mainstay, albeit not at Cliff Lee’s level. If we were giving up on 2010 completely, then I’d probably go for a higher ceiling pitcher at a lower level.
When I called you nuts, I missed that Carrasco was still the centerpiece. I just saw “a couple of relievers and some change too.” I do like Carrasco. Still might not pull the trigger, but it’s not nuts.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jul 1, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
His periphs are very good. What is up with his ERA?
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jul 1, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
FIP is about a run and a half lower (4.92 to 3.47).
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jul 1, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I looked up the Eurail site or something but it said it couldn’t compute a fare and told me to call some number.
When I was in London a couple months ago and searched Ryanair, Casablanca was definitely a destination choice.
I picture a plane with a picture of Brad Pitt on it.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jul 1, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I have friends going to Casablanca next month.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jul 1, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Step one, I think, is figuring out where “somewhere I can fly to Casablanca” is.
by fleerdon on Jul 1, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I SAW A MOVIE THAT DEALT WITH THIS VERY ISSUE
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jul 1, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
They were fleeing the Nazis, I think… Casablanca was in Free France… what was that?
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jul 1, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
The lead seemed pretty charismatic for a black-and-white.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jul 1, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
On to slay those irrelevancy bears.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jul 1, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
You want to take a train from Norway to Madrid? Sheezus.
by fleerdon on Jul 1, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Well. Maybe there is somewhere north of there?
I was looking at that ez-jet nonsense or whatever and it was telling me I had to fly to berlin, spend the night, then fly to madrid, spend the night, then fly to casablanca. of course, it cost like 220 dollars or something.
They better comp you the hostels.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jul 1, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I think I’m going to be in Denmark/Norway around August 2-6 and I want to be in Casablanca sometime during 8-12.
Oh, and I want to fly home from Casablanca.
Being in Denmark or being in Norway would be a big difference if you’re not flying. Ferries suck.
by fleerdon on Jul 1, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean, I guess I could fly.
I thought riding a train might be better than doing these dumb ez jet layovers. If I like, actually fly, it costs another 800 dollars or something.
Which is better to be in? Norway or Denmark? Denmark, right?
I’ve never travelled Scandinavia, like I said, but if there are ferries involved, you need to leave yourself a lot of buffer time. They can miss by hours.
by fleerdon on Jul 1, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Denmark is supposedly the happiest country on earth. But that might only matter if you actually live there.
So why was Hamlet so screwed up?
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jul 1, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Wanting to bed your mother is kind of a pan-geographic misery.
by fleerdon on Jul 1, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
A thousand times, seconded. Spanish train workers go on strike at the drop of a hat.
by fleerdon on Jul 1, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
French bus drivers go on strike like this. One of my friends was living there and had groceries and halfway home the bus driver was like we’re going on strike everyone off. She had to walk like a mile home.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
There are also a lot of religious holidays in the summer, plus the general Spanish proclivity to not provide public services for the hell of it.
by fleerdon on Jul 1, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
This is a pretty simple trip. He’s not trying to get to Madagascar.
by fleerdon on Jul 1, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Advice: Telling your girlfriend you can’t talk because Jeremy Sowers is pitching is an excuse that will only end in her being angry.
We’re bf/gf. We live together.
And yes, we sit on two separate computers in the same room and gamethread.
I believe in Carl Pavano.
Is that two different computers thing weird sometimes? I feel like it would be.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
I don’t know. I would assume you would have your own conversations going on plus the ones on the game thread and it might get confusing I guess. I don’t know. It just sounds weird. But I wouldn’t want a game thread without both of you.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
I CHOOSE RYAN!
Wait, what are we talking about?
by afh4 on Jul 1, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I dunno, what do you all think of women who post to message boards?
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/cowers
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jul 1, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
It might be kind of like the people on the airport PA system at the beginning of Airplane!
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This isn’t about loading zones at all.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jul 1, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This isn’t the only place we converse online at the same time. We have an IRC channel we’ve frequented for yonks.
I believe in Carl Pavano.
Darenzia?
There’s a character in a book series I read named Dashiva, but that’s an insane man with special powers.
I believe in Carl Pavano.
If one of you guys accidently z through a comment without seeing it, and it’s a good one, does the other suggest the other ctrl+f’s t?
Little known fact: Hamlet was an Indians fan. That’s why he originally lost it.
by Logodaedalus on Jul 1, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Aight, Andrew, do we know which airports connect to Casablanca? So far I know about Madrid and Paris.
by fleerdon on Jul 1, 2009 9:45 PM EDT reply actions
Okay, here’s the deal. Really cheap flights come like right before the plane takes off — probably not what you’re looking for — or a little further away than we’re talking here. Like, you could do a Paris-to-Casablanca on the 18th of August for 45 euros, but a week earlier and the price is doubling.
by fleerdon on Jul 1, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
That might work, if you knew of a flight that got you from Frankfurt to Casablanca.
by fleerdon on Jul 1, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Been too long for me to remember. I’m just shopping EasyJet. Best thing I can find to fit your needs is a Paris-to-Casablanca on the 11th for 85 euros.
by fleerdon on Jul 1, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
My friend is working the semester at sea boat and is in casablanca from the 8th to the 12th, so that’s sort of non-negotiable.
Supposedly Lufthansa goes from Frankfurt to Casablanca. The 234 dollar train is a private sleeper, too. No transfers.
Thing about trains is, they’re run by the countries, not by any larger authority. You’d be fine in northern Europe, I’d imagine, but if timing is critical to you, I definitely wouldn’t try to get across the continent in a few days by train.
by fleerdon on Jul 1, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
EasyJet only seems to fly to Casablanca out of Charles de Gaulle. To get there on the 8th would be E160.
Coincidentally, I’ll turn 25.
by fleerdon on Jul 1, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn do I wish you were making these plans a month ago.
by fleerdon on Jul 1, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Looks like the Frankfurt flight would run you about 4 bills. Ouch.
by fleerdon on Jul 1, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Also try http://www.flylc.com/to/en/ap-cmn.htm
Cheap flights in and around Europe.
I just wanted to believe.
Let me decode…
That’s return trip going from Copenhagen to Casablanca stopping in Italy?
Where is that?
I’m an idiot-I don’t see Copenhagen as a departure airport on skyscanner? Do I have the code wrong (KPH)?
lol…With another few weeks to work with, I could’ve gotten him there for $150, but this’ll be sooo much smoother.
by fleerdon on Jul 1, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Sometimes the extra $ is worth the less hassle. The ol’ time vs. money debate. Enjoy Morrocco (and the rest of the time in Scandanavia).
I just wanted to believe.
It looks that way – I’d do the Luftansa though – worth it. Much better then any US carrier.
I just wanted to believe.
London-to-Chicago flights are only about $500 on that day, so if you can get to London on the cheap, that might be worth checking out. mjm is right though — how much is another half-day and less hassle worth to you?
by fleerdon on Jul 1, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
No. This is your ticket. Trust me, trains are cool with friends and an open schedule and low expectations. You need a plane.
by fleerdon on Jul 1, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
This is going to make for some interesting new GoogleAds
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jul 1, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I really need EZJet to go either Copenhagen to Paris or London to Casablanca.
I really want to go to Casablanca because when am I ever going to do that again but this is sort of a pain.
Well, you could train from Copenhagen to Paris, also about 12 hours, then fly Paris to Casablanca. That looks cheapest to me.
by fleerdon on Jul 1, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Where will Harper play with Carlos Santana running around?
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jul 1, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Why get excited for that, with this FO’s draft track record?
by JulioBernazard on Jul 1, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Dear Hammy & Hegan,
It’s July, guys. You can officially cut it out with the “hey, maybe a day off will get these guys going again!” chat.
Your absurdly loyal fan,
Vic
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Wedge is confident that we’ll be better. I don’t know about you guys, but I feel better already.
-Erik
I don’t think anyone has stopped wanting him gone there is just nothing more to say.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Our lungs are tired.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jul 1, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s pretty simple, Erik. I want everybody who’s going to get traded, to get traded, and everybody who’s going to get called up, to get called up, and then I want them to lost 106 games and draft #2 overall.
by fleerdon on Jul 1, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s a tall order, man. They’ve got us by 14 games. I think we’ll have our hands full with the D-Backs.
by fleerdon on Jul 1, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Sweet Jesus, .289. Even I don’t have the stomach for that.
I would really like it if we didn’t do one of these late-season surges that serves no purpose other than to screw us over in Rule IV, is all I’m actually saying.
by fleerdon on Jul 1, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
.300? I could get into that. I mean, I would stop watching, but I could get into it. This team could use a good 12-game losing streak.
by fleerdon on Jul 1, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I watched most of the Columbus game on milb.tv. Marte was hitting the crap out of the ball, looks pretty locked in and made some good plays at 3B. 4-4 with HR and 2 2B’s for reigning IL player-of-the-week. But we can’t mention him right?
Lofgren was ok, but left too many over the plate and when he did they hit him. Hard. Masa was horrible, had nothing. Frank Herrmann actually looked pretty good, big guy and always around the plate, and seems to have made the best transition to the pen among the recent starters that have been repurposed. Could be in the mix next year for middle relief?
Brown smoked the ball too and is having a successful second season at AAA. I know he’s been kinda written off, but really, whatever function Garko serves on the roster Brown would serve it better. But I think we’ll have to wait until September to see him or Marte in Cleveland.
So, anybody still think Wedge gets fired over the all-star break?
Everytime I see Ben Fransico in the lineup I feel like wedge is mocking us …. and I think Laporta should be up here and with a new manager you have to look at Marte again… its a wasted season we might as well get it correct
Fire Wedge. Trade Peralta. Put Grady on the DL. Trade Shoppach (if possible – with Lee?). Trade Lee. Promote LaPorta, Marte, & Toregas. Trade Francisco (if possible). Promote Brantley. Activate Laffey. Sowers to bullpen. Trade Pavano (if possible). Activate Westbrook.
Finish season with 2nd worst record (although the Pirates seem to want to fight us for it).
Please?
I just wanted to believe.
You can’t just activate people who aren’t ready (i.e. Westbrook).
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Oh man, I love helping people book flights.
Trade Cliff.
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