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Game 89: Tigers 10, Indians 1


Were you shocked at this score? No? Me neither.

Tomo Ohka lasted into the fourth, but then gave up a quick four runs on back-to-back home runs. The scary thing is that he's probably going to make at least another start. Ohka's a symptom of the Indians' starting pitching troubles, because if he's is in your rotation, you have personnel problems.

On the other side of the scoreboard, Justin Verlander shut the Indians out for seven innings before giving way to the bullpen. The Indians got five hits and three walks off him, which was a better effort than their other appearances against him this season, but they still couldn't push a run across when they had the opportunity. Not that it would have mattered.

Next Up: The All-Star Break, and then the second half. Yes, there's more where that came from.

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Highest WPA Lowest WPA
Ben Francisco .043 Tomo Ohka -.217
Rafael Betancourt .000 Victor Martinez -.079
Chris Perez .000 Asdrubal Cabrera -.065

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Do we trade Lee/Vic during the All Star break?

by world dictator on Jul 12, 2009 5:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Next Up: The All-Star Break, and then the second half. Yes, there’s more where that came from.

Thank you sir, may I have another?

by woodsmeister on Jul 12, 2009 5:47 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Any day you can’t score 2 runs, it doesn’t matter if you give up 2 runs or 25 runs. It amounts to one loss.

by elsandito on Jul 12, 2009 5:48 PM EDT reply actions  

This season totally sucks. It’d at least be more fun if some prospects were brought up and given regular playing time. I know there are service time arguments for keeping them down, but it would at least make the team more fun to watch than they are now.

by Cols714 on Jul 12, 2009 6:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Actually, there aren’t service time arguments for anyone now in Triple-A who has spent significant time there. The biggest service time issue at the moment is Valbuena.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on Jul 12, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

send him down now and give the TommyHansonExcuse.

Proud Fan of the Worst Baseball Team I've Ever Seen

by westbrook on Jul 12, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh. I wonder if we will see some more prospects up then.

by Cols714 on Jul 12, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hearing Shap on the radio last week, he made comments that the current focus is on fixing the guys we have at the major league level. As much as we’re ready to see the young guys, they want to find out what is going on with guys like Frisco, Shoppach, Peralta, etc. It makes some sense.

by dgcambridge on Jul 12, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, you know who just fell out of 2010 arbitration range in the past week?

Agent M.

He’d end 2009 with two years + 119 days, if called up on Thursday.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on Jul 12, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

See? This was the plan all along.

Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile

by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jul 12, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Sadly, I really did laugh out loud.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on Jul 12, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jay, are you calculating these on your own … or is there some magic website you visit?

by FallsTribeFan on Jul 13, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Do you remember “The Head” from MTV’s Liquid Television, yeah that’s pretty much Jay.

by hans on Jul 13, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m just counting the days. There are 183 days in the regular season, Sunday to Sunday.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on Jul 13, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Tribe is usually great in the second half

by Roger Dorn on Jul 12, 2009 6:20 PM EDT reply actions  

’’It’s been a disappointment,‘’ Cleveland manager Eric Wedge said. ’’There’s a long way to go, and I still feel good about the lineup we are putting out there every day, but we’ve got to improve the rotation and our bullpen.’’

Well, I for one, am glad that’s all we have to fix.

by FallsTribeFan on Jul 12, 2009 6:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Wedge would have to go 33-40 in the 2nd half just to match his atrocious first year, 2003.
What is the over/under on that?

by palcal on Jul 12, 2009 6:42 PM EDT reply actions  

If they hang on to Lee and Vic, I’m taking the over.

Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile

by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jul 12, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think they can surpass that.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on Jul 12, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hoynes on the rotation after the break:

The rotation coming out of the break on Thursday against Seattle at Progressive Field will be Cliff Lee, David Huff, Tomo Ohka and Aaron Laffey. After an off day on July 20, Lee will face Toronto on July 21 and Pavano the next day.

Pavano getting a 10-day break to keep his innings down.

by palcal on Jul 12, 2009 7:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Smart. Even smarter if we can hurry up and trade him.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Jul 12, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

After watching Francisco Samuel pitch just now … I’m really hoping the PTBNL is Jess Todd.

by FallsTribeFan on Jul 12, 2009 7:20 PM EDT reply actions  

It’s our choice.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on Jul 12, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let me amend me statement then.

I hope Mark Shapiro makes Jess Todd his selection!

by FallsTribeFan on Jul 12, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought you were speaking in pirate.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jul 12, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah me too. I was not impressed.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jul 12, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why is Andy Marte not in this futures game?

by JRontherim on Jul 12, 2009 7:31 PM EDT reply actions  

He’s been touted as the future for a while now. I’d like to see him in some present games.

by Joel D on Jul 12, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll second this. It’s not likely but it would at least be more fun than watching the current train wreck.

I become an expert simply by doing something.

by Brad D on Jul 12, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, at least it would be a different train wreck.

by Joel D on Jul 13, 2009 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Do they have rules regarding that? I’ve always felt the thing was just kind of a really cool gimmick; I don’t have the foggiest how it’s organized.

by Joel D on Jul 12, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe Baseball America picks the players — 2 from each team max and you have to be a first timer I think. All teams need to be represented, and I guess you understand the Team World vs. Team US part.

by JP_Frost on Jul 12, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

There definitely is an emphasis on younger players, who may eventually be real superstars. 25-year-old semi-prospects are not the future of the game in quite the same way.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on Jul 12, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Andy Marte is, like, so 2005…

by Logodaedalus on Jul 12, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

He could have been one of the honorary captains…

by TribeJay on Jul 13, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Futures game impressions:

Carlos Santana looked very good behind the plate. I loved his composure, and he blocked balls in the dirt very well. The US team stole a couple of bases off him, but 2 of them were impossible to throw out (a pitch in the dirt, and one where the runners was basically at 3rd base before Santana got the ball). He looked really comfortable out there and he definately reminds me of Victor — especially the batting stance. Also … he swings HARD!

Weglarz had a solid game, no hits, but he looked alot more athletic than I thought he would. Those stories about him being 245 pounds of muscle weren’t a lie. He had one opposite field linedrive that was caught which showed some of his power since he barely extended his arms on that swing.

Overall the game was pretty exciting despite the 3 or 4 hour rain delay, and “our guys” didn’t embarrass themselves — if anything, I’m more impressed with them than I was before.

by JP_Frost on Jul 12, 2009 9:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Well… other than Francisco Samuel.

by cheech99 on Jul 12, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you are within in range I highly recommend an Akron Aeros game. Santana is very impressive to watch over a full nine innings. He works the crowd pretty well, which can be entertaining.

I become an expert simply by doing something.

by Brad D on Jul 12, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just watched enough to see Santana’s walk in his last at-bat (then watch Weglarz! get pinch hit for). That stance gets me everytime… if he and Vic do end up sharing the same roster someday, my head might explode.

Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile

by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jul 12, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw him try to pick a guy off at second. Hit the runner but not a completely terrible throw.

Proud Fan of the Worst Baseball Team I've Ever Seen

by westbrook on Jul 13, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah that was a pretty good throw. They all were really from what I saw.
He nearly picked off Sizemore I believe. Scott Sizemore.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jul 13, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I went to an Aero’s game a couple months ago with a buddy to see Santana and some of the other young guys. Santana is crazy athletic. One of the most impressive things I saw him to do was throw behind a left-handed batter in an attempt to catch a guy leaning at first. To my untrained eye, it was one of the more impressive plays I have ever seen by a catcher.

by bewwolv on Jul 13, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

That stance gets me everytime

I was half-watching a spring training game and absolutely thought it was Vic up there until I remembered he wasn’t playing that day.

by TribeJay on Jul 13, 2009 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Today’s proof that ballplayers are the same as the rest of us—or were at age ten (via Castro):

Santana was hoping to meet up with Victor Martinez tonight, upon the Tribe All-Star’s arrival. Santana, even before he was traded to the Tribe last summer, has long listed Martinez as his favorite Major Leaguer and the player he hopes to emulate. If the fates (or trades or moves to first base) allow, he may be the one to supplant Martinez as the Tribe’s starting catcher, sooner rather than later.

“I would love to play together with my favorite player,” Santana said.

I’m guessing the batting stance isn’t coincidental.

Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile

by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jul 13, 2009 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, and neither is his uniform number (41).

by TribeJay on Jul 13, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

somehow i don’t feel bad about this loss anymore:

by Brick. on Jul 13, 2009 2:07 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Oh. That’s really white. Wow.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Jul 13, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Could Cabrera be any less enthusiastic about this chest bump/mating dance?

by Brad D on Jul 13, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

He looks like he’s too mortified to actively recoil. Thanks for setting white guys back 50 years, white guy.

by Joel D on Jul 14, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

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