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Early Weekend 6-Pack (7/2/09)

It is a holiday weekend and I am still living quite a few hours in the future, so this week's edition of Early Weekend 6-Pack will be very early (with appropriately chosen beverage below).

1. Eric Wedge is in Hall of Fame company

In 2007, Eric Wedge coached the Indians to an impressive .593 winning percentage.  Going into Thursday night’s game, the 2009 Indians are winning games at a less impressive .388 clip.  If that .200+ drop-off in win% in a 2-year span seems impressive, that’s because it is.  I looked at managerial records over the past 50 seasons, and it turns out this feat has only been equaled once.  This is obviously a difficult list to get on, because as that gap might suggest, you have to go from coaching a very good team (~.600) to a very bad team (<.400) in a short amount of time.  Given roster sizes and player movement restrictions, even in the era of free agency there tends to be a lot of continuity on a roster from one year to the next, so such a rapid change doesn’t often overcome the forces of inertia. Quite a few managers have come close.  Dusty Baker did it in three years between 1993 (.636) and 1996 (.429) with the Giants.  Phil Garner did it in three with the Astros, 2004 (.649) to 2007 (.443).  Cito Gaston did it in three following the Jays last WS title in 1992.  Tony LaRussa is good enough to have had such a drop over a 3-year time span twice, one with the White Sox in the mid-80s and again with Oakland in the early 90s.  A few others got fired too early in the third season to count (i.e. Gene Lamont, Buddy Bell, Don Zimmer).  But only one other coach has done it in 2-years, and that is HOFer Sparky Anderson, who saw the Tigers go from a .605 team in 1987 to a .364 team by 1989.  So Wedge is truly in the company of legends.  Now there is one coach who has actually topped this, and accomplished the task in just a single season.  I probably don’t need to remind you, but Jim Leyland coached the 1997 Marlins to a .568 record and the eventual World Series title, only to come back in 1998 and coach the AA Marlins to a pathetic .333 record. 

2. But maybe the best is yet to come...

The Indians have over the past two decades had a tendency to be a strong second-half team.  Indeed, 2007 (.595) and 2008 (.588) are the 12th and 13th best back-half W% for the team since WWII.  And 2005 (.622) is actually 7th on that list.  As you go through the years, those ‘80s teams were generally awful, first half and second.  The ‘70s teams were not great, but tended to have decent second halves.  The ‘60s teams, which were better, were strikingly bad late season teams and had a few epic fades (e.g. 1965 - tied for 1st on the 4th of July, 14 games over .500, played below .500 the second half of the season and fell to 5th place).  And the golden era teams, 1948-1954, were just awesome all around. Here’s the complete top 10:

Year Rec W% Year Rec W%
1 1954 55-16 .775 7 2005 46-28 .622
2 1995 54-23 .701 8 1953 44-27 .620
3 1952 51-28 .646 9 1955 43-27 .614
4 1996 47-27 .635 10t 2000 46-30 .605
5 1948 52-30 .634 10t 1950 46-30 .605
6 1951 49-29 .628

 

3. More Matt LaPorta please

Speaking of records – here is the team’s record when different individuals have appeared in the game.  The "best" record goes to Matt LaPorta, who in his brief stint in Cleveland, helped the team to a near .500 (6-7) record.  Way to go Matt! The worst record title is shared by Travis Hafner (10-24) and Josh Barfield (5-12).

Star-divide

Shoppach 18-29 Peralta 28-42 Crowe 13-17
Martinez 29-49 Choo 31-47 LaPorta 6-7
Cabrera 21-35 Hafner 10-24 Dellucci 5-9
DeRosa 29-42 Garko 24-36 Gimenez 5-7
Francisco 26-42 Carroll 13-24 Barfield 5-12
Sizemore 23-34 Valbuena 14-23

 

4. The defense rests

It’s only the half-way point, but at least according to UZR, the Indians defense is on pace to being 51 runs worse than last year, helping make Cleveland one of the most underperforming teams in baseball.  According to the numbers, these are the four biggest culprits:

  • Ben Francisco                -6.9
  • Luis Valbuena               -6.1 (split between SS and 2B pretty evenly)
  • Shin Soo Choo              -3.6
  • Mark DeRosa                 -3.1 (although about +3 in the outfield, -6 in the infield)

The Indians best defenders so far; Jamey Carroll (+3.8) and Jhonny Peralta (+2.9).  Note: This is just one metric for measuring defense and half a season, and for many of these guys less than that, is generally not considered a large enough sample to be particularly reliable.  I'd be interested how these numbers match up with people's perspectives...I haven't seen enough games live to say.

5. Can I get two Wegz with that LaPorta?

The Indians full-season minor league teams all have three full months in the books.  Matt LaPorta had the team’s best month of April (1.103), while Nick Weglarz beat off some stiff competition from a number of players to claim the best May (1.055) and June (1.007).  There are a number of other high performers, of course.  Carlos Santana has been steadily good all season.  Jordan Brown and Andy Marte both had big Mays.  Abner Abreu screamed back from a terrible April with months of May and June not far behind Weglarz before separating his shoulder.  Lonnie Chisenhall has been solid. 

6. The future looks different when you get there

One of the things Baseball America does every year when it produces its organizational top 10 lists is put together a mock-up of what the team’s lineup might look like 3 years in the future.  Here is what, in November 2006, they projected as the Indians 2010 lineup:

Catcher – Matt McBride                            SP #1 – CC Sabathia

First Base – Victor Martinez                     SP #2 – Adam Miller

Second Base – Josh Barfield                    SP #3 – Jeremy Sowers

Third Base – Andy Marte                          SP #4 – Cliff Lee

Shortstop – Jhonny Peralta                        SP #5 – Jake Westbrook

Left Field – Trevor Crowe                         Closer – Tony Sipp

Center Field – Grady Sizemore

Right Field – Shin Soo Choo

DH – Travis Hafner

Ahh...back when the Indians future was so clear.  I actually think they did a pretty good job with this.  They correctly predicted Victor’s transition to first base, while being surprisingly optimistic about Jhonny staying at SS.  They got the easy ones of course, Grady in center and Hafner at DH, but also pegged Choo in RF.  McBride as catcher was obviously a fail...why people love that guy is something I don’t entirely understand.  Barfield did, coming off a great good rookie year in San Diego, seem like a reasonably safe call.  Marte was still one of baseball’s top prospects.  Crowe...see McBride.  They may very well have 40-60% of the starting rotation correct.  Adam Miller, more optimism.  I’m not sure why they thought CC would both still be a #1 starter and still be with Cleveland. 

It’s hard to pretend I don’t know what has happened since November 2006 and try to compare how good I thought this team would have been versus how good I think our projected 2010 team currently looks.  It’s probably impossible to match my view of the above projected starting rotation (it is truly a dream world where Jake Westbrook is our #5 guy), but I think I like our offense better.  Put LaPorta in for Crowe, Santana (at least by the end of 2010) in for McBride, shift Jhonny left and put Droobs and Valbuena up the middle...and I like that lineup a lot.  The pitching, though...

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I laughed at the prospect of projecting Sowers to #3.. then cried when I remembered that’s what he is right now.

Shin-Soo Choo, future U.S. Citizen.

by USSChoo on Jul 2, 2009 6:16 AM EDT reply actions  

He started out #3 in 2007, too.

by Logodaedalus on Jul 2, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wish he were a real #3, instead of a #1-2 through 3 innings cough middle reliever cough

Shin-Soo Choo, future U.S. Citizen.

by USSChoo on Jul 3, 2009 3:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Woah….the discussion of defense in one of those threads below prompted me to look at Gutierrez’s numbers so far this season. Again based on fangraphs UZR scores, Franklin has been the third most valuable defensive player so far this year, good for +11.1 runs. And what is amazing is that is almost entirely derived from his range score (11.0), making him the “rangiest” defensive player in the majors. I like Valbuena a lot, but I do miss watching Gutz just sort of glide around in the outfield.

by APV on Jul 2, 2009 7:14 AM EDT reply actions  

I think that Gutz was one of the smoothest RFs out there. It’s a shame he can’t hit.

by gte619n on Jul 2, 2009 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Like Ben Francisco can!

Juan Salas: Smartest man in baseball?

by emd2k3 on Jul 2, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jayson stark reports Ben Francisco had the worst OPS in the American League in June.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=4299641&name=stark_jayson

by peter m on Jul 2, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

congrats, Frisc, you’re not even a legit 4th outfielder anymore….

by Brick. on Jul 2, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe you mean Francis Coaster.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jul 2, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like watching Ben just sort of coast around in the outfield.

by odradek on Jul 2, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

his .755 OPS thinks this is fallacy

Proud Fan of the Worst Baseball Team I've Ever Seen

by westbrook on Jul 2, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s at 883 at Safeco. It looks like the gaps there actually help him.

I thought 800 was the line of “can hit.” Are we moving that down lower?

by gte619n on Jul 2, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

With his defense he doesn’t need to be nearly as good a hitter as, say, Ben Francisco, to be worth a lineup spot. And Ben Francisco is OPSing .666 so far.

by Logodaedalus on Jul 2, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

For a CFer, .800 is not necessary.

by Roger Dorn on Jul 2, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

For the best CFer, .800 is a GD luxury.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Jul 3, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed, based on fangraphs WAR, and I think this is probably a pretty reasonable assessment, Gutierrez has been playing like a borderline all-star this season.

by APV on Jul 3, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

.776

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by westbrook on Jul 3, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t have the grasp of these stats as others here so I’ll ask before looking; would his range be as valuable in runs if he were in left or right?

by NickFantana on Jul 2, 2009 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea, I tend to agree. Gutz is playing fantastic in center. It has me thinking whether or not we should be more worried about playing our best defensive lineup over maximizing certain player’s value by putting them at a position where the team might not be better off.

by Roger Dorn on Jul 2, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! Those defense stats make me want to scream. Like that.

They numbers floating around seem to be all over the place. Sometimes they match our eyes, or what people who watch the team everyday say, or players’ reputations, and sometimes they are totally different.

This makes me crazy because we need to be able to figure this out. (meaning, the FO, of course, but I think we fans want to know). We need to know if Valbuena is an excellent second baseman or not. If Jhonny plays great D at shortstop, that absolutely changes his value, and any plans. How many runs would LaPorta give away in LF? How many at 1b? We need to be able to value the defense of all of our players.

This team is horrible at preventing runs. I would love to sit down and gather every piece of information available to us – numbers and opinions – and see if there is anything that we can be sure of. Can we even be sure that Droobs is better with the glove at SS than Jhonny??

What sources are out there? What are the formulas? And which are the must trustworthy?

I don’t have the time; anyone else?

This would be a much more valuable read than discussions of batting order, or managers, or comparing Frisco offensive numbers to LaPorta’s projections. We all know how to do that already. Any volunteers for a defense manifesto?

by dgcambridge on Jul 2, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m a little surprised Valbuena’s numbers don’t improve at second. I have to imagine that Choo could take a big step forward just by correcting mental errors. He certainly has the natural talent to be a plus right fielder.

Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile

by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jul 2, 2009 8:07 AM EDT reply actions  

His minor league numbers suggest he is a better defender than he has shown, based on this metric, so far this season. But he might be just an average defender, oscillating from a little positive in a good year to a little negative in a bad year.

by APV on Jul 2, 2009 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Which, for a RF that can mash, is a.o.k. with me.

Plus, the magic helmet has to count for something in these UZRs, right?

by gte619n on Jul 2, 2009 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was talking about Valbuena, actually, but it can possibly be said about Choo, too

by APV on Jul 2, 2009 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

The relative SS/2B #s for Valbuena this season, as I think you mentioned, involve a pretty SSS, no?

On another note, do any of these various defensive stats incorporate arm strength and accuracy at positions where those are key to run prevention (3B, SS, OF, C)? I know that outfield assists are sometimes used as a rough measure, but I"m wondering whether these things are incorporated and, if so, how they’re weighted compared to range factor, etc.

I second dg’s call for a defense manifesto (or maybe a primer).

"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter

by Denver Tribe Fan on Jul 2, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent! The people have spoken! I will buy some Axe Body Spray* to support the site if this happens.

*Buy, not wear.

by dgcambridge on Jul 2, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Valbuena has had about 5 easy plays in the past month htat he hasn’t made. I assume those are killing the #s.

Proud Fan of the Worst Baseball Team I've Ever Seen

by westbrook on Jul 2, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, that would certainly support my SSS argument.

Also, in terms of how we “see” players’ defense, I think it’s human nature that we remember the really terrible plays and the really great ones. Valbuena “seems” to me to be a decent defender, but I also have two strong images of him not being able to switch the ball from his glove to his throwing hand on two crucial plays when he first came up. That irrationally skews my sense of his defensive ability.

"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter

by Denver Tribe Fan on Jul 2, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

The numbers are comparisons to last year. So, Valbuena’s negative rating is a function of his being compared to Carroll/Cabrera (who played 2nd base most of last year) and to Peralta/Cabrera (who played short most of last year). I think what this means is not that he’s a BAD defender, but that he’s not as good, at least as measured by UZR, as those players. I think Carroll is very good, defensively. Cabrera also strikes me as solid to good, Peralta is steady, if not particularly rangy. From what I’ve seen, Valbuena looks to me like an average middle infielder — not all that quick, not great range, decent arm.

by peter m on Jul 2, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

no – the numbers I posted actually aren’t a comparison to last season. The -51, that is in comparison, but the individual players are their respective numbers for this season.

by APV on Jul 2, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ok. I misunderstood. I’d be interested to see how Valbuena’s numbers compare at short and at 2B. My guess is he’s better at 2B.

by peter m on Jul 2, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, wrong again. He’s slightly better at SS (-2.9) than at 2B (-3.1), this year, anyway.

by peter m on Jul 2, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

That should be -3.2 at 2B.

by peter m on Jul 2, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

FWIW the PR Machine Hamilton LOVES Valbuena’s arm.

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by westbrook on Jul 2, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

A few others got fired

I like the sound of that.

by JulioBernazard on Jul 2, 2009 8:36 AM EDT reply actions  

I was waiting for you to somehow bring Kerry Wood into your line about Wegz, Mr. Lange.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Jul 2, 2009 8:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Adam on Weglarz from the annual:

Best guess: Gets off to a slow start in Akron, struggling with strikeouts for the first half of the season, but rebounds to put up a .400-plus OBP and .500-plus SLG in the second half.

by Roger Dorn on Jul 2, 2009 12:11 PM EDT reply actions  

I’ll tell ya what says “hack” — adding Podsomething in fantasy baseball.

Proud Fan of the Worst Baseball Team I've Ever Seen

by westbrook on Jul 2, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

He feels the season slipping away. Reminds me of: Make Rondon a reliever! Call up LaPorta for the bench! Move Jhonny over now!

by dgcambridge on Jul 2, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Way off…clearly should have said second month not second half. Who is this Adam guy, anyway? I hear he likes Michigan and grows a beard. Communist…

by APV on Jul 2, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

From the Minor Victory department: Lonnie Chisenhall won the (abbreviated) Home Run Derby in the California/Carolina League All Star Game.

His error total (19) and sub-.9 fielding percentage are reminiscent of Corey Smith and a growing concern of mine, but not yet a damning one (note: more advanced defense stats are unavailable). He has recently logged some time at DH. Has anyone seen him play? How many of these errors are of the fielding variety? Is accumulating this high total because of a flaw in his throw from his new position?

Still just 20. First year at his new position, etc etc.

by jhon on Jul 2, 2009 1:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Goldstein said Chisenhall’s definitely showcasing the ability to play third, just not necessarily the skills. The comp he made was Ryan Braun — all the tools, but lacking execution. Haven’t heard about him DHing, though he’s been playing a lot, so maybe he just needed a breather. He’s got some time, in any event.

by fleerdon on Jul 2, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

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