Early weekend 6-pack (7/23/09)
1. It’d be nice if Frank Herrmann changed his name to Rafael Herrmann.
One of the Indians more successful moves over the past five years was the decision in 2006 to switch Rafael Perez from the rotation, where he was a mediocre depth starter, to the bullpen. Although this year’s performance has been horrendously bad, Perez was a huge part of the 2007 Indians success including 3 big outings in the ALDS against the Yankees, and one of the few solid performers in last year’s more dubious outfit. The Indians appear to be hoping for a similar transformation from Frank Herrmann, a big 25-year old righty currently pitching out of the Clippers bullpen. In comparing the two, both experienced some limited success as a starter in Lake County at the age of 22, before advancing to Kinston at 23 where they were greeted by more success. At 24, Perez blew through Akron and Buffalo on the way to Cleveland, returning to Buffalo for the first half of his 25-year season before really breaking through at the major league level. Herrmann has fallen a half-season to a season behind that, but is on a similar path. However, their styles on the mound are quite different. When Perez transitioned to the pen he saw a huge spike in his K%, going from the 15-20% range as a starter to the 25-30% range as a reliever. And he maintained this throughout his bullpen stints in Buffalo and Cleveland. Herrmann’s never been as much of a K-guy, always hovering in the 14-16% range (even now as a reliever), but has been much better at throwing strikes. Perez’s walk-rates have bounced all over from very good (4.6% as a starter back in 2005) to very bad (14.3% this year in Cleveland). Herrmann has kept his walk rate in the 4-6% range since 2006. My guess is Cleveland views this as a pretty attractive trait. I’ll be interested to see whether he can transition effectively to the majors without the same basic arsenal of enhanced stuff that Perez put on display in 2007.
2. If you do a google image search for "Cleveland Indians Success" this appears on the first page of results. Really?

3. Juan Lara is pitching.
Juan Lara’s career major league pitching line is unlikely to ever change. 10 games, 6.1 IP, an ERA of 4.26 with 0 wins and 0 losses. But then again, a lot of what Lara has accomplished since his car was blindsided by an out of control motorcycle while pitching in the Dominican Winter League a year and a half ago has been unlikely. And although it certainly hasn’t grabbed many headlines, Lara is pitching in real games again for the Indians Arizona team. Lara made his 6th appearance of the season this past Tuesday, pitching a perfect inning with a single K. I don’t know what the 28-year old Lara thinks when he is down there pitching. I don’t know what his mostly 18-21-year old teammates think when they watch him pitch. But I like it.
4. Rafael Betancourt, we salute you!
Betancourt’s final Cleveland record, 23-22, 3.25 ERA, and 17 saves, doesn’t really do the man justice. Betancourt was the definition of scrap-heap pickup. A converted infielder discarded not once, but twice from the Red Sox system, Betancourt hadn’t pitched about AA before joining Cleveland. In his first exposure to the system, Betancourt made 31 appearances for the Aeroes, going 45.1 innings and striking out 75 batters, while only allowing 13 walks and putting up a 1.39 ERA. His ascent to Cleveland was nearly instantaneous, as he made 33 appearances with the big league team that same year. Betancourt succeeded by throwing a 90-93 mph fastball with good control nearly 80% of the time. He’d throw in an occasional slider or change, but Betancourt kept people off-balance with a tediously slow mound routine and a deceptive delivery. Perhaps his unorthodox path to the pitching mound gave him some advantage in that he didn’t "look" like other pitchers. His finest season in Cleveland was 2007, in which Raffy made 68 appearances during the regular season (three times he made 68+ appearances) covering 79+ innings and holding opposing batters to a .186 average. According to fangraphs.com, Betancourt’s 2007 season was good for 3.2 wins above replacement (WAR). That is a huge number for a reliever. These are the only players since 2002 who have put up bigger numbers:
- Eric Gagne (2003) – 4.5
- Francisco Rodriguez (2004) – 4.0
- Brad Lidge (2004) – 3.8
- JJ Putz (2006) – 3.6
- BJ Ryan (2004) – 3.4
- Eric Gagne (2002) – 3.3
- Jonathan Papelbon (2006) – 3.2
- Takashi Saito (2006) – 3.2
- Mariano Rivero (2005) – 3.2
You don’t often hear Betancourt discussed with these guys, who are basically a who’s who of top closers. Rafael Betancourt, we salute you. If Connor Graham equals your production, he’ll be a fine addition to the team.
5. Offense isn't the problem, but...
The Indians have a good offense. Hafner, Victor, Choo and now Garko, are all OPSing over .800. Droobs was for much of the season, as was DeRosa. But…there’s been a fair amount of slumping of late. The figure below is a rolling 11-game average of runs per game for Cleveland, with a 3rd order polynomial trendline added. For most of the season we’ve been a 5-run/game team, which is a very healthy 810 run season pace. Lately, despite having Victor back, Grady and Hafner (sort of) back, we’ve been going off a bit of a cliff. Everything for Cleveland can be improved, even our offense.

6. Matt LaPorta is still good
LaPorta helped ease many of our nerves by starting off the season in Columbus on a scorching pace, putting up an OPS of nearly 1.100 in April. He spent time in Cleveland, mostly riding the bench, before going back to Columbus. The good news is that in July, he’s still putting up an OPS right around 1.100 (after slipping a bit in June). And actually, he’s striking out less and walking more as the season goes on. LaPorta (deep breathe) really seems like a when guy, and not an if kind of guy. Ahh…

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Although it will be lost in all the hoopla regarding possible trades for the next week or so, Herrmann has been pretty darn good. The bullpen will probably end up getting reshuffled as it was already +1 arm, and now Betancourt being gone. But I don’t see any reason for Herrmann to be in Columbus while guys like Veras, Gosling and Abreu are in Cleveland.
And I’m actually even more confused about the Abreu/Meloan trade now. What was the point if he is just going to be the all-the-way-in-the-back arm?
Agree completely …
Herrmann is at the point where he deserves a look anyways … I’d rather see him out there than the Veras’ and Goslings of the world.
by FallsTribeFan on Jul 23, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
We should have … what … 3 spots on the 40-man open right now?
by FallsTribeFan on Jul 23, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Regarding Lara, I actually hope Fausto Carmona spent time with him during his deportation to Arizona
because if Carmona can sit next to Lara and not realize that he should be doing everything in his power to use his incredible talents, well…then he might kind of suck
Another LaPorta HR. Rondon has given up a bunch of groundball singles, but has no walks and 6 Ks through 5
Who needs a 3B? The Giants
…the Indians?
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by world dictator on Jul 23, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
This is just getting stupid now. Incredible. Do they trade Peralta for $.60 on the dollar at this point? With the payroll concerns? You have to wonder.
I can see it now… Marte allows them to trade Peralta… which makes them keep Vic and Lee… which makes them contend in 2010…
Marte being good for half a season doesn’t mean he should replace Peralta who’s been bad for half a season
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by world dictator on Jul 23, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That’s certainly a good point to raise. But if neither is seen as a long-term asset, I think you get the most value you can by moving one and paying the other to serve as a stop-gap. Peralta almost assuredly can get more in return (especially if we can sell him as a SS) and Marte costs less and gives us more years of control to figure out who that long-term solution is.
Well if some team gives us a decent offer for Jhonny sure. Move him. But i’m not eager to throw him off the team either. Despite frustrations that Jhonny’s never evolved into a great player he’s still been a solid, and sometimes great, player to have on our team.
Basically I feel the same way about Garko and Jhonny. I’m happy to have both of them until we can find a better alternative. They’re not everything I’d want out of a player but their track records are pretty solid and a good value. I don’t think I should have to say this, but we can’t have a premium prospect or an all star at every position.
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by world dictator on Jul 23, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
We’re nowhere close to having a premium prospect or all star at ever position. I don’t think that’s at question at all.
Peralta’s best year – by far – came 4 years ago. We’re in a payroll crunch. I think he’s determined definitively, Wedge or no Wedge as his caretaker, that he’s not a core player. That’s no sin of course, you can count our core players on one hand. But when you’re making $5MM guaranteed next year; it makes it really really tough to keep him. Not when you can keep Lee and Vic and still cut payroll south of $70MM (if that’s what it takes).
You can count our core players on one hand.
You can count the indians’ core players on one-half of one hand.
Eh. Lee, Vic, Grady, Choo, Asdrubal? Not even mentioning Kerry or LaPorta. I guess it depends on what you consider “core.”
by pdxtribefan on Jul 24, 2009 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions
You’re saying he was a core guy before 2008? I think most if not all thought much lower of him before last year, and many weren’t totally sold until this year.
Westbrook was more of a sure thing back then.
Yeah, that’s about it, though there were a lot more doubters on Cliff than Jhonny, ironically. I’d still consider Pronk there, as you really aren’t going to toss him overboard, and he’s providing decent numbers at DH until Wegs and LaPorta are ready to take over.
Nothing ironic about it. Cliff had a very good year in 2005, but Jhonny had a phenomenal year and was even younger.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
Grady, Asdrubal and Choo. How can Victor and Cliff be considered core players when they’re on the trading block?
I’ve been perhaps Peralta’s biggest booster here — and notably elsewhere — but a sober assessment shows that he’s an 800 OPS guy in a good year and a 700 OPS guy in a bad year, and he does have bad years. Those numbers do not make him a particular asset, regardless of whether he’s a mediocre defensive shortstop or an above-average defensive third baseman, or both.
Is he worth something at a 5M salary level? Yes. But he’s certainly not a guy you cling to. Peralta won his starting job not because he was expected to be stellar, but simply by being more promising and far cheaper than the incumbent at his position. The shoe is on the other foot now.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
Like I said. If an upgrade comes along great. No hesitation. But he’s no David Dellucci. He’s a place holder and thats perfectly fine.
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by world dictator on Jul 23, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
The place holder is not perfectly fine if we have to deal Vic or Lee strictly for payroll reasons.
I’m not saying that’s even likely. But c’mon, in our market? You don’t have placeholders at $5MM that aren’t driving you towards a championship.
I agree with your take here. You have to look at value and replacement. Marte’s really only got to hit .250 at 1/5 the price to be an upgrade.
this might not be the smartest thing we could do but it would make me really happy.
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You’re talking about Marte for Jhonny, right? Yeah, me too, and I love Jhonny. I just feel it’s time to move on. Marte can flame out for a year, then Wes can flame out for a year, and hopefully Chis will be ready by then. Hope!
Yep. For me, I definitely want to keep Lee. I don’t feel we can get equal value, and I’d rather wait and trade him next year (we’d still get a premium prospect, barring injury) if we don’t contend.
Vic, I dunno. I completely appreciate what he is to this team, but I feel replacement value might exceed the drop from him to LaPorta in the lineup. I’m ready to give Kelly Windmill regular time for the rest of the year just to up his value (what is Kelly’s status after this year, anybody know? I really don’t know where to find that info) and enter the Toregas/Santana era.
And is it really going to be $0.60 on the dollar? I think sometimes we overrate how much a player’s current performance affects his trade value. Other GMs have access to past years’ stats too. Someone might think they can fix him.
It might be like $0.90, and I’m not thrilled about waiting to see if he gets back to that dollar level.
This is the most pro-trade I’ve ever been about one of our players (non-contract year):
going through a second round of struggles,
potential to be a star or a scrub,
contract big enough to be a problem for us but not so big that he can’t be a value,
questionable defense on a team that bleeds run,
possible need for a fresh start in a new clubhouse.
Do it.
by dgcambridge on Jul 24, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
The question I’m replying to (since it’s so far upthread) is, “Who needs a 3B?”
I say Seattle. They’re a team that needs to make a move if they decide the playoffs are within reach (they are), and pretty much the only place to upgrade the team is on offense. Their pitching is obviously wonderful, and it’s been helped in large part by the defense behind it. Maybe they could use a reliever, but really the offense is terrible.
They could acquire Jhonny because a) they have a lot more money to work with, b) Adrian Beltre is on the DL, and c) Ronny Cedeno is also an offensive black hole at SS.
They could acquire Marte because a) I don’t know, it just seems like more of a Zduriencik move to give up as little as you can to acquire someone of Marte’s profile instead of paying more for a Peralta—More like what Shapiro would do. And b) Zduriencik and Co. clearly put an emphasis on golvework, which despite average reviews of Jhonny at third I think we can all agree that Marte profiles as the better defender.
Steel Nick
I’ll repost this comment since it got deleted.
Is it just me or does our offense have a tendency to go on massive slumps? It seems like this has been the case for a few years now .Where a bunch of our key hitters miraculously forget hot to hit or take a walk at the same time. Is this normal?
I ask because i’ve always wondered if the Indians offense, as good as it is, is missing something. We have a lot of good bats, but I wonder if we have all the bats we’d ideally want/would maximize our offense.
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Agreed.
It’s a very weird thing, but I’ve noticed it too.
It’s not just a few guys going cold here and there … it’s like full lineup slumpiness.
Of course, I have no evidence to back this claim .. but I agree it feels like this has happened.
by FallsTribeFan on Jul 23, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
If this has been mentioned here (the results, not that it was going to happen), then ignore this…
JD Martin made his ML debut starting for the Nats on Monday, and got hit around pretty hard. He went 4 IP and gave up 5 runs on 8 hits.
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[Searching my memory banks]
Unless Jake Dittler had a cup of coffee that I can’t remember, that makes him the first of the 2001 high school pitchers to make the majors.
/generic draft criticism
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jul 24, 2009 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That is correct.
If only we had drafted more high-ceiling prep guys like this.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
So, anybody have any kind of expectation on what Garko brings in? Similar to Raffy B? High A or AA fringe prospect? Love it.
More than that.
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by world dictator on Jul 24, 2009 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I wasn’t counting sucker trades like the Ms and Expos used to deal out. I just can’t see somebody valuing Garko as more than a platoon 1B and pinch hitter, and I really see his options as NL only. That said, I would completely expect clutch performances in the playoffs out of Mr. Flintstone. He’s better than I’ve ever given him credit for.
He’s better than many of us give him credit for. Mostly because Wedge puts him in situations that make him look lousy.
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Will they just please go ahead and trade Garko? They have a wealth of players at his ‘position(s)’. He’s an rbi vulture without consistent performance. He drags a heavier Steinway behind him than Victor…and above all…above all…from the first moments he was with the big league club, when the camera caught him walking around the dugout picking up plastic cups (remember that?), it was obvious that this guy was nothing like the kind of player we need to put us in contention…in perspective…he is probably a great guy and the kind of guy you would like to have as a friend…I like him, you probably like him…but you probably didn’t like the best ballplayers you ever played ball with, and you didn’t like them because they didn’t care about anything but being better than everyone else…and that’s not Garko. Let him use what talent he has to marginally better another team, so long as we get something in return.
see Article on the Shapiro-mentality.
I disagree with the assertion that being a nice guy makes Garko a worse ball player, or somehow detracts from his ability to help the team win. By all accounts, Griffey, Jr., Cy Young, Henry Aaron, Albert Pujols, and a slew of others (including the best ball players I ever played with) were great guys and wonderful teammates. On the other hand, Ty Cobb, Barry Bonds, and I’m sure you can think of others are all a bunch of jerks. The idea that there’s a certain personality profile that is more conducive to being a great player, or that this profile should somehow factor in how we feel about our guys on the field, strikes me as absurd.

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