Game Thread: July 27, 2009
by Ryan on Jul 27, 2009 9:12 PM EDT
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PrintCleveland Indians at Los Angeles Angels, Jul 27, 2009 10:05 PM EDT
Cleveland at Los Angeles, 10:05 PM
INDIANS (41-58): SS Asdrubal Cabrera, 2B Jamey Carroll, RF Shin-Soo Choo, 1B Victor Martinez, 3B Jhonny Peralta, DH Ryan Garko, CF Ben Francisco, LF Chris Gimenez, C Kelly Shoppach. RHP Carl Pavano (8-8, 5.48).
ANGELS (58-39): 3B Chone Figgins, 2B Maicer Izturis, RF Bobby Abreu, DH Juan Rivera, 1B Kendry Morales, C Mike Napoli, SS Erick Aybar, CF Gary Matthews, LF Reggie Willits. LHP Joe Saunders (8-6, 4.94).
Update: Garko's out of the lineup, and Anthony Castrovince thinks there's something going down. New lineup:
INDIANS (41-58): SS Asdrubal Cabrera,
2B3B Jamey Carroll, RF Shin-Soo Choo, 1B Victor Martinez,3BDH Jhonny Peralta,DH Ryan Garko, CF Ben Francisco, LF Chris Gimenez, 2B Luis Valbuena, C Kelly Shoppach. RHP Carl Pavano (8-8, 5.48).
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Castrovince;
Ryan Garko was pulled from tonight’s lineup. I’m not sure, but something might be going down..
Steel Nick
To Giants for Alderson, Bumgarner and Lincecum right? Right?!?!?!
by FallsTribeFan on Jul 27, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
In return … do the Giants get the World Champion, SS-playing Garko from the previous thread?
by FallsTribeFan on Jul 27, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
He didn’t hustle to first base hard enough. Sad part is that he was actually going as fast as he can. He’s just that slow
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by world dictator on Jul 27, 2009 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
New lineup, per Castro:
SS Asdrubal Cabrera, 3B Jamey Carroll, RF Shin-Soo Choo, 1B Victor Martinez, DH Jhonny Peralta, CF Ben Francisco, LF Chris Gimenez, 2B Luis Valbuena, C Kelly Shoppach.
Beat me to it.
They’re really putting out the all offensive team for Pavano tonight huh? At least defense should be a lot better
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by world dictator on Jul 27, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup!
Apparently Hafner is getting a day off, and Sizemore is under the weather with a non-elbow related malady.
by FallsTribeFan on Jul 27, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Report: Giants acquire Garko from Indians
According to Ed Price of Fanhouse, the Giants have acquired Ryan Garko from the Indians.
Jul. 27 – 9:25 pm et
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no word yet
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by world dictator on Jul 27, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll guess and say a reliever
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by world dictator on Jul 27, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Lincecum removed from his start tonight.
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by westbrook on Jul 27, 2009 9:26 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
hahahahahahaha
"sometimes the internet is hard for me." - ClemsonGirl
by world dictator on Jul 27, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll admit it. I’m sad. But I’m glad they traded him to an NL team.
"sometimes the internet is hard for me." - ClemsonGirl
WOW Garko no more. the great thing is he is actually traded to a team where he will be an upgrade
by I'd give my legs for Wegz on Jul 27, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Garko should be happy, being a Stanford guy
by kennesawmountainwahoo on Jul 27, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
WHO WILL HE RELATE TO NOW?!?!?!?!?!?
"sometimes the internet is hard for me." - ClemsonGirl
by world dictator on Jul 27, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Surely another millionaire from Stanford will present himself scrappily, shortly.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
Does Elway’s son play baseball, too?
by kennesawmountainwahoo on Jul 27, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Good thing they don’t know anything about OPS, otherwise they’d realize we just traded our fourth best hitter for a minor leaguer.
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
Good thing they don’t know anything about OPS, otherwise they’d realize we just traded our fourth best hitter for a minor leaguer.
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
DAMN IT ALL, WEDGE! WHERE ARE THOSE 100 RBIS GOING TO COME FROM? VALBEENA??
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Force quit and move to trash.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=barnes001sco
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I’ve actually seen Barnes pitch, I’m trying to find a scouting report on him to distinguish him from every other low level minor leaguer.
Giants #9 prospect according to Baseball America. Hey, a top 10 guy for Garko, I’m taking, even if he is an A ball guy
best change in the giants system according to BA
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by world dictator on Jul 27, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Something from ESPN. Don’t worry, you can see all of the info about Barnes without being an insider.
Hopefully we got a SHAPTBNL
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by westbrook on Jul 27, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So who’s getting called up? Agent M or LaPorta?
by kennesawmountainwahoo on Jul 27, 2009 9:35 PM EDT reply actions
any gems?
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by world dictator on Jul 27, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Konerko had 160 homers by the end of his age-28 season. Garko will be lucky to get to 60.
Think about that … 53 career HR in 1587 career PA. Already 28. This is not a slugger.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
I’m picturing that hilarious Trot Nixon photoshop right now.
“I AM NOT A SLUGGER”
by supermarioelia on Jul 27, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
you got me all excited. but there’s some punctuation missing there, i think.
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No no no. That was him listing Pavano as the pitcher. He didn’t put a period. It’s Pavano. Trade coming down. As in Garko.
That can’t be right.
"sometimes the internet is hard for me." - ClemsonGirl
by world dictator on Jul 27, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
for the love of God we no longer have to see bengie hit clean up
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haha poor bengie… he tries so hard.
by I'd give my legs for Wegz on Jul 27, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
This is really the most exciting time to be a Tribe fan.
I was talking to my Jays fan buddy the other day, who’s a reasonably bright guy, and I couldn’t believe that the Jays aren’t even shopping Marco Scutaro, a UFA after this year who’s having the season of his career right now. And he as a Jays fan doesn’t even expect his team to pull that kind of move when they’re out of it.
I’m not sure why but the Imperial March started playing in my head when I read this
"sometimes the internet is hard for me." - ClemsonGirl
by world dictator on Jul 27, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow. That took some work. I’ll rec for effort.
by FallsTribeFan on Jul 27, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m kinda sorta excited. Just kinda.
by supermarioelia on Jul 27, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Why is Barnes reporting to Kinston? He’ll turn 22 in Sept and it looks like he’s already done enough to earn a bump to the next level
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by world dictator on Jul 27, 2009 10:01 PM EDT reply actions
< /vomit >
"sometimes the internet is hard for me." - ClemsonGirl
by world dictator on Jul 27, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
the number 9 prospect in a good system. He’s a good lefty. He altered his delivery at the end of his last year at St. Johns and that helped him improve his velocity. He throws low 90’s with good sink. Has decent secondary pitches. After being drafted in the 8th round last year, he moved quickly to the Sally and dominated the competition. He’s been quite good in the Cal League this year, averaging a strikeout per inning. He turns 22 in September. You guys should be happy about what you’re getting.
Steel Nick
Wait does he throw in the low 90’s or the 92-93 range like the espn article says? I generally consider the low 90’s 90-91
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by world dictator on Jul 27, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
The #5 first baseman in an ok system. He’s a mediocre righty. He pretty hasn’t changed a damned thing since he graduated from Stanford. He throws poorly with bad stink. Gets hit with pitches. After being drafted in the 3rd round in 2003, he’s moved slowly. All the time. He’s been mediocre in the American League this year, averaging an awkward defensive play per inning. He turns 29 in January. You guys should be happy about what you’re getting.
by supermarioelia on Jul 27, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I forgot to highlight the thing, so I pretty much failed there.
by supermarioelia on Jul 27, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
AW SHIZZLE Barnes is from Stanford. We don’t lose anything in the Stanford/Everyone Else ratio.
Steel Nick
I think I’m going to try and get tickets to tomorrow’s game. If Marte isn’t in the lineup I will throw a temper tantrum.
Grady “under the weather” and Hafner with an off day. And an arm up in the bullpen. This could get fun. LET PEREZ HIT
Meh, I’m up til 8am regardless. Let’s play some baseball.
by supermarioelia on Jul 27, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
3 women in labour left, none going soon.
by supermarioelia on Jul 27, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
So in the meantime, you’re just hanging out? Like a bullpen pitcher?
by NickFantana on Jul 27, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yuppers. Have to check cervices once in a while, but other than that, just wait for nurses to call or patients to come into emerg.
And of course, hang with you guys.
by supermarioelia on Jul 27, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s pretty cool. Do you chew sunflower seeds? Are you dipping?
by NickFantana on Jul 27, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha I just wear a really puffy windbreaker.
by supermarioelia on Jul 27, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
And stretch with a towel before heading in for a delivery?
by NickFantana on Jul 27, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
And if there is a ruckus in the lobby, lead the meaningless charge in from the pen.
Shin-Soo Choo, future U.S. Citizen.
Showing up five minutes after the police have arrested the offenders and looking pissed.
by NickFantana on Jul 27, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
WEST
"sometimes the internet is hard for me." - ClemsonGirl
by world dictator on Jul 27, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d be supremely pissed if Gonzales goes to Boston
"sometimes the internet is hard for me." - ClemsonGirl
by world dictator on Jul 27, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
In retrospect, it seems like a terrible decision. But I did it too, at the time.
by NickFantana on Jul 27, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
If anything happens to one of the 9 positions players tonight, any ideas on who comes out of the bullpen to play a position?
Does anyone know how to describe an Andy Marte Partay? I want to say “Just Splendid” but I don’t think that fits the scheme.
Steel Nick
How much has Agent M been raking in AAA? His MLE .296/.330/.512
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by world dictator on Jul 27, 2009 10:18 PM EDT reply actions
A big Pavano start might net us a bag of balls. We can use all the assets we can get these days.
by supermarioelia on Jul 27, 2009 10:18 PM EDT reply actions
You can’t always trade Broussard for Choo. There aren’t many Bavasis left.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
We need to start a Manchurian GM program.
by Julie on Jul 27, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"Actual versatility is a good thing. Imagined versatility is a bad thing."
Jay Levin
by woodsmeister on Jul 27, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Garko was taking batting practice when the trade was announced. That has to be odd. “Um, I gotta go, guys”
I wonder if they plan to just leave LaPorta down in AAA until September. They need to give Marte a good look, and they won’t option Francisco on account of Grady’s elbow. I guess they could send down Gimenez or Valbuena to make room for him.
Birthday party cheesecake jellybean Boom!
"Actual versatility is a good thing. Imagined versatility is a bad thing."
Jay Levin
by woodsmeister on Jul 27, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
And I Feel Fine.
"Actual versatility is a good thing. Imagined versatility is a bad thing."
Jay Levin
by woodsmeister on Jul 27, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
So that Ed Price guy from AOL Fanhouse also has this tweet from earlier tonight:
#RedSox have told ppl they are trying to pull off something huge. Bigger than Halladay. Maybe V-Mart and Lee, as @nyp_joelsherman reported
Does one team have enough people to actually move both Lee and Martinez?
Shin-Soo Choo, future U.S. Citizen.
Boston and Tampa both have enough players for Lee and Martinez
"sometimes the internet is hard for me." - ClemsonGirl
by world dictator on Jul 27, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
We’ll never know what High-A prospect we would have gotten for Pavano.
Ah, well, there’s always an August waiver deal.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
Aren’t the Angels still a bunch of slap-hitting little bitches? Wha hoppen?
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
They added about $100 million in payroll.
-Kyle
by Kyle Garret on Jul 27, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
MLB.com’s Anthony Castovince says there is no player to named in the deal. It’s Garko for Barnes, straight up.
I have no idea what that has to do with what I just said.
-Kyle
by Kyle Garret on Jul 27, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
already flagged it.
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by westbrook on Jul 27, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
YES HE REALLY CASEYBLAKED IT.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Jul 27, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
How many times can you use this term in verb form before overuse sets in?
Shin-Soo Choo, future U.S. Citizen.
never
"sometimes the internet is hard for me." - ClemsonGirl
by world dictator on Jul 27, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Well this is good news at least
Tim Brown and Gordon Edes of Yahoo! Sports report that the Angels have “shifted their emphasis” to Cliff Lee after being frustrated in their pursuit of Roy Halladay. The Halos do not want to part with Joe Saunders, Erick Aybar, Brandon Wood, and another prospect for a single pitcher, even one as great as Halladay, and they believe they can land Lee with a lesser package.
"sometimes the internet is hard for me." - ClemsonGirl
by world dictator on Jul 27, 2009 10:39 PM EDT reply actions
I don’t like all these “lesser package” references to Lee.
Lee is not that far below Halladay. Hold em hostage Shapiro!
by FallsTribeFan on Jul 27, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, to be fair, lesser package means they may only have to give up 2 of their top 5 prospects instead of 3.
Hold out for 3.
Like it or not, Lee is a Top 10 starter.
Teams should have to pay for him like they’ll pay for Halladay.
by FallsTribeFan on Jul 27, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
The issue is that Ricciardi is asking for too much. I mean, the Phillies actually got angry with them.
Have to trust Shapiro to value the assets properly and get the best deal.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
A lesser package relative to the outrageous demands the Jays are asking for Halladay
"sometimes the internet is hard for me." - ClemsonGirl
by world dictator on Jul 27, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I say the demands should be equally outrageous.
by FallsTribeFan on Jul 27, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Umm no. They’re not equally good pitchers. It’s not a slight on Lzee its just the truth.
"sometimes the internet is hard for me." - ClemsonGirl
by world dictator on Jul 27, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I know … but they’re not that far apart honestly.
I say ask for the moon … and don’t give the impression you’ll settle for less.
Get teams nervous, keep them bidding.
by FallsTribeFan on Jul 27, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
You really think Shapiro needs tips from you or anyone on trading stars?
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
Ha … not one bit … it’s the one thing I actually have confidence in him doing.
by FallsTribeFan on Jul 27, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I know … but they’re not that far apart honestly.
How long ago was Lee in AAA?
"sometimes the internet is hard for me." - ClemsonGirl
by world dictator on Jul 27, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I hear you … the track record for Halladay is better.
And while Lee is a a small step backwards from 2008m, he’s still a Top 10 starter right now.
Add in a more affordable contract for 2010 … and I think he’s very close to the same market value … but that’s just me.
by FallsTribeFan on Jul 27, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Which is bigger deal if you’re a small market team. Not so much to a big market team
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by world dictator on Jul 27, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Which comprises most of this year’s trade market.
"sometimes the internet is hard for me." - ClemsonGirl
by world dictator on Jul 27, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s fair.
Although the Dodgers are supposedly a cost-conscious team, as are the Rays …
Now if he ends up with the Sox or the Angels … yes, its certainly less of a factor.
by FallsTribeFan on Jul 27, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, I believe that Lee’s success can be sustained, but Halladay has proven that his can be for extended periods of time. Cliff is just not learning to really eat innings the way Halladay has all along.
Shin-Soo Choo, future U.S. Citizen.
True, but if anyone still had lingering doubt about Lee sustaining his success, that doubt wouldn’t be there for Roy I wouldn’t think.
Shin-Soo Choo, future U.S. Citizen.
Can’t see how Lee doesn’t get traded if four teams are competing for him.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
bingo
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by world dictator on Jul 27, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Talk radio here in Los Angeles indicate the Tribe have more or less said “no” to anything less than those guys.
They also said that the Tribe has more or less said “no” to everyone, but are listening.
-Kyle
by Kyle Garret on Jul 27, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I have like 80000 emails I can send him that can help.
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Force quit and move to trash.
by vbc3 on Jul 27, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
YOU SHALL NOT SPEAK POORLY OF THE INDIANS FAVORITE OPPOSING GM.
"sometimes the internet is hard for me." - ClemsonGirl
by world dictator on Jul 27, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you Victor bustin it outta the batter’s box there? I’ve never seen him run like that.
Shin-Soo Choo, future U.S. Citizen.
Actually I did think of you. Since you enjoyed that Garko/Sloth line, if I had the equipment on this laptop, I’d remake the scene in the Goonies where the fat kid is like “You’re going to live with me now! I’ll take care of you! I LOVE YOU, SLOTH” and put in Sandoval’s face for the fat kid, Garko for Sloth.
by JRontherim on Jul 27, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That would be awesome.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jul 27, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
That sounds fun.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jul 27, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
What is this “tan” you speak of? You mean burn, peel, repeat, right?
Shin-Soo Choo, future U.S. Citizen.
I’m pretty tan. Working at the pool all summer will do that.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jul 27, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Every day, I am more and more convinced that you are a middle-aged man.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Jul 27, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yeah that’s me. I’m lying about everything. That’s why I’ve never mentioned my name. I can’t think of a good enough girl’s name.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jul 27, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Ozzie
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by world dictator on Jul 27, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Too obvious.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jul 27, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Too exotic.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jul 27, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Britney is always a good choice.
Also! Half the girls in my daughter’s first grade class were named Elizabeth, even the ones not called Elizabeth, like Rachel.
For me it was Katie.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jul 27, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
What, your name’s not Bruce? Mind if we call you Bruce?
"Actual versatility is a good thing. Imagined versatility is a bad thing."
Jay Levin
by woodsmeister on Jul 27, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s hilarious.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jul 27, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Saunders is another of those guys I was naming the other day that was good against us before he was good period.
Proud Fan of the Worst Baseball Team I've Ever Seen
So with Garko gone, Gimenez has to be the new man crush of Wedge, right? Catcher, 1st, 3rd and Left?
Gimenez is a catcher? Has anyone told Wedge?
-Kyle
by Kyle Garret on Jul 27, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I know, I was just kidding. I’ve always wondered why Gimenez got called up when they never used him as a catcher, considering the other positions he was playing could also be played by guys who are better hitters (like Brown or LaPorta).
It seems kind of irrational to keep him on the roster unless they’re going to use him as a catcher.
-Kyle
by Kyle Garret on Jul 27, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
8 RBI for Josh Willingham. What’s his contract situation? If he’s gone soon, why have they not traded him yet?
Proud Fan of the Worst Baseball Team I've Ever Seen
I just read all of the comments in the cle.com Garko article. I will sum up for you:
RBIs! Blame Wedge! Dolan is Cheap! Another good prospect ruined! Wedge! Dolan! Cheap! Blah blah blah!
Also! RBIzzzzz
Call me naive, but I actually was surprised to read the claim that we traded Garko because we didn’t want to pay his salary. Not his arbitration adjusted salary, mind you, but what he is making in 2009.
Where was that cited?
What are the Indians saving? $200,000?
by FallsTribeFan on Jul 27, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Never mind .. on the cleveland.com boards … I see … makes perfect sense.
by FallsTribeFan on Jul 27, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
In humorous news unrelated to the Indians, apparently Alexei Ramirez had to be restrained had to be restrained from going after AJ Pierzynski in the dugout tonight.
This may be the best part of the whole situation:
White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen was not happy with the situation, seen firing a towel down to the ground before kicking a bucket of gum on to the field outside the dugout.
by malexander on Jul 27, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The water cooler was downsized because of the economy.
"Actual versatility is a good thing. Imagined versatility is a bad thing."
Jay Levin
by woodsmeister on Jul 27, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Awesome shot of Garko loading his crap into a car. You think he’s just driving up the 5 to San Fran?
Il faut d'abord durer.
What is Garko going to do with his nice Indians duffle bag? I hope he keeps it for the memories.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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