Source: Victor Martinez close to being dealt to Red Sox
by Ryan on Jul 31, 2009 2:29 PM EDT
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Ken Rosenthal reports:
The Red Sox are on the verge of acquiring catcher Victor Martinez from the Indians, according to a major-league source.The deal is straight-up between the Red Sox and Indians. No third team is involved.
The Indians' exact return is not known, but the Red Sox did not include either right-hander Clay Buchholz nor right-hander Daniel Bard in the deal, according to a source.
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Mao tweets? I suppose that would be more immediate than the Little Red Book.
"It's all part of life's rich pageant, you know?" - Inspector Clouseau
by woodsmeister on Jul 31, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t like Masterson.
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
I’m also just suffering from a little reliever fatigue. I suppose I’d be happier if they said they were planning on moving him back to a rotation spot…but then I don’t see great stuff from him.
Well, his career numbers are considerably better as a reliever (2.83 K: BB as opposed to 1.63 as a starter).
This is going to be the new Mastny meme, isn’t it?
by Logodaedalus on Jul 31, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m going to eyeroll here.
Or, the market isn’t nearly as good for taking on contracts as it used to be.
The point is you have to point to other deals of this level, this season, where teams are getting obviously more than the Indians.
I just don’t see it. I think the market has changed and Shap, unlike Riccardi, is willing to deal with that and make adjustments.
true, but I also don’t see any deals off the top of my head that involved players of this caliber (Lee and Martinez).
That’s probably telling us something. Unfortunately, we couldn’t really stand pat in my estimation.
Also, I think we’ve actually done really well, despite the chicken little vibe.
I agree on the Philly’s trade, and pretty much all the other trades (except the Tampa Bay trade which at best is a wash). But I’d expect at least a Carrasco level starting pitcher that is ready to step in the rotation from Boston in this deal.
I’m not saying the FO has done anything wrong, if anything I’m agreeing that the market has changed how we can manouevre these trades. The market has put us in the weaker position in these deals, no fault of ours.
by supermarioelia on Jul 31, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Unfortunately, we couldn’t really stand pat in my estimation.
Sad but true.
by ken from alexandria on Jul 31, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
The market has truly changed…
Stuart Dean
by stuart dean on Jul 31, 2009 2:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
"It's all part of life's rich pageant, you know?" - Inspector Clouseau
by woodsmeister on Jul 31, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
They must be going for a “desperation”/“separation” portmanteau.
by Logodaedalus on Jul 31, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
from MLBtraderumors:
1:35pm: MLB.com’s Jonathan Mayo says (via Twitter) pitchers Nick Hagadone and Justin Masterson are in the deal. Gut reaction: nice haul.
I thought the gut reaction was interesting.
Not true.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Jul 31, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I want to flag this.
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
Yeah, I almost want to flag myself. But this is how I feel right now.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Jul 31, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I feel for you. I’m past the point of attachment with individual players. They never stay. Ever. My lone exception is Adrian Peterson.
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
I’m not saying that I think they shouldn’t trade him but it’s still sad.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
JonathanMayoB3 – Indians and Red Sox still working on it; looking at names to add to Masterson and Hagadone
Excerpt from Heyman:
Junichi Tazawa and Justin Masterson are possibilities. Boston has a lot of pitching prospects. It’s not going to be hard-throwing Daniel Bard because Cleveland only wants starters.
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
That’s silly. I’m sure we’d take Bard if he were offered.
by Logodaedalus on Jul 31, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
This might be worth further exploring in a fanshot, but I was comparing the numbers for some of our current minors pitchers to some of the pitchers we had in 2003-2004 last night. There really is no comparison, the numbers for those guys were pretty poor. Can anyone else think of anyone outside of Lee, Rodriguez, Davis, maybe Cruceta?
Frankly, the more I think about it, the more Vic’s is overvauled here because of the emotional attachment.
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I don’t think anyone is overvaluing Vic as an on-field player. As a fan, a player’s value can be greater than the numbers he puts up.
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin
Maybe. Point?
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
by Turkmenbashi on Jul 31, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
This is all speculation, as I can’t remember ever having seen him pitch, but his numbers as a reliever just look a lot better.
I’d expect his numbers to be better as a reliever, I’m just not sure (and I say that in the truest “I don’t know” sense of it) whether his value is greater as a reliever. And as I said up-thread…at this point I don’t want to pin my enthusiasm to a reliever – any reliever.
It is sure tuff to be a Indians fan, maybe I need to be a rangerfanincleveland, hell I’ve been a indians fan through worse time and still loved them.
Fan in Texas
Would Wade Davis and Reid Brignac in the Rays system have been a better haul?
I am a Rays and Indians fan and am sick right now that Victor is going to be playing for Boston.
I wanted him here in Tampa.
Shapiro needs to be fired after this one. If you are cutting Payroll we could have paid an office stapler to get a better deal than this for V-Mart. Cut Shapiros’ salary and hire the stapler.
I certainly can.
Indians used to Spring Train in Winter Haven.
Tampa had no team … Major League came out when I was 8 …. I became an Indians fan. Indians started setting the baseball world on fire in the mid to late 90’s … Tampa finally got a team. I could finally watch the Indians come to Tampa during the regular season. I am an Indians fan first and foremost. I root for the Rays when the two teams aren’t playing each other.
In other words I like torture … I am a fan of two small market teams.
by PewterPirate55 on Jul 31, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
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is this another let’s get a guy who’s close (Carrasco, Masterson) so they can make an impact in the near future and one who isn’t as close?
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Hagadone is 23? Why are we taking a 23-year old in A ball?
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
Market inefficiency. Huge K-rates out of oldish guys in A/A+. Shapiro clearly is targeting these guys.
But we have to be talking about a guy that is three years away.
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
TINSKNAPP!
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by emd2k3 on Jul 31, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I’m going to rec this every time I see it.
"It's all part of life's rich pageant, you know?" - Inspector Clouseau
by woodsmeister on Jul 31, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Does anyone realy think this is a good deal?
How can it be with those two we got in return? I’m not asking for an all star or even a starter in return, but V-Mart should feel insulted that the team he mentioned he would take a pay cut to stay wit just traded him for THAT.
How to evaluate a trade:
1-Compare it to other packages offered. (Impossible)
2-Compare it to similar trades for similar players. (Impossible)
3-Wait and see how the players actually play. (Try this.)
by afh4 on Jul 31, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
he mentioned he would take a pay cut to stay wit
That’s a nice thing for him to say, but it would never happen
I actually kind of like the trade
by I'd give my legs for Wegz on Jul 31, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Would that screw with our measurement of D-bags?
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
C’mon. We used to employ Albert Belle. He would be a douche, but he would be OUR douche.
"It's all part of life's rich pageant, you know?" - Inspector Clouseau
by woodsmeister on Jul 31, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
why do i feel like the indians got screwed in this trade
Clone Grady 25 times and we will win the World Serious in 2040
by biscuitsandgrady on Jul 31, 2009 2:52 PM EDT reply actions
The Indians have dealt their players to potential World Series winning/contending teams.
Casey Blake – Dodgers
Victor – Red Sox
Derosa – Cardinals
Lee and Benny – Phillies
erm Garko, is on the Giants..but that’s like lol that’s not even an issue haha
Clone Grady 25 times and we will win the World Serious in 2040
by biscuitsandgrady on Jul 31, 2009 2:54 PM EDT reply actions
so who is going to be captain now?
Clone Grady 25 times and we will win the World Serious in 2040
by biscuitsandgrady on Jul 31, 2009 2:57 PM EDT reply actions
It will be Weglarz later rather than sooner, but eventually.
by I'd give my legs for Wegz on Jul 31, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh, reap what you sow, on some level. Though admittedly much of this is not his fault.
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
by Turkmenbashi on Jul 31, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, agreed. It’s got to be like watching your kid fail high school or something.
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
by Turkmenbashi on Jul 31, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
You really thought coming into this year that the bullpen was a weakness? Track record indicated that it was going to be a strength. That isn’t his fault. Blame Lewis, Perez, Wood and the first few months of Betancourt.
It hurts to say this, but I really hope Victor is left crying again when the postseason ends.
Steel Nick
The Red Sox would send right-hander Justin Masterson, 23-year-old left-hander Nick Hagadone of Class A Greenville and a third prospect to Cleveland in exchange for Martinez, sources told ESPN.
I really like Lars Anderson
by I'd give my legs for Wegz on Jul 31, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I know. Seeing the wiki entry “…is a catcher/first baseman for the Boston Red Sox” is like watching your mega hot ex do something really classy and dignified right in front of you.
Except not, because the Red Sox are neither classy nor dignified.
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who is now sleeping with the most popular cheerleader in school…you know the one, she cheats on her tests, puts out to the big man on campus types…in defense of Vic, everyone slums it now and then.
Naw, I know that seems like a good comparison, but it’s not. Victor didn’t make any choice – nor did he make a choice to date that chick.
It’s like you break up with this hottie and she does nothing to help you heal. Like no egregious acts where you think “man, glad she’s gone.” She’s just … a classy 30 year old catcher. And there’s nothing you can do about it.
I liked the Lee deal more so I might as well like this.
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
I like this trade a lot more. If Victor was an everyday catcher than i wouldn’t be so sure.
by I'd give my legs for Wegz on Jul 31, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
The Indians sent me an e-mail with the subject “Indians One Day Sale Starts Today”.
Apparently, the Indians heart and soul was for sale. And the Red Sox made the purchase.
by Ryan Kelsey on Jul 31, 2009 3:05 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I would have liked Buchholz, but I think it is looking like we got a nice return for Victor. Obviously it’ll all depend on the final set of guys and how Shapiro & Co. view their roles…
this one hurts
i like the return package, though. way to go mark.
by Cap'n Snegiryov on Jul 31, 2009 3:07 PM EDT reply actions
Hmmm…they work when I click on them, but anyway, the summaries:
Justin Masterson Scouting Report: Big righty with an ideal pitcher’s build. Dominated the Cape Cod League in 2005. Masterson has a three-fifths arm angle with a slinging-type motion. His arsenal includes a sinker, a slider, and a change-up. Of those pitches, his best is a phenomenal plus-sinker with an excellent heavy drop — he can vary its speed from 84-94 mph, catching many hitters off balance. Also mixes in a very good slider that sits in the low 80s, and an improving 77-81 mph four-seam circle change. Uses his sinker predominantly as his out-pitch, but also can make use of his secondary pitches to get out of jams. Could stand to mix in his changeup a bit more. His mix of pitches results in a high groundball-to-flyball ratio, resulting in a lot of double plays. Very good command of the zone. Prepares well for every game and pitches with confidence on the mound. Good fielder with a quick and deceptive pick-off move. Strong character, Masterson is one of the most likable persons and teammates going. Converted to a starter in 2007 after coming out of the pen for Lowell in 2006, may still project as a reliever at this point depending on how well his change-up progresses. Needs to work on keeping his delivery consistent deep into games – he’s struggled a bit the third time through lineups. Moved to the bullpen in mid-2008. If he stays in the pen, Masterson will need to keep the walks down and improve his ability to pitch out of the stretch. Ultimately, his ceiling is a #3 starter or a dominant set-up man.
Nick Hagadone Scouting Report: Big lefty whose fastball sits around 92-94 mph and tops out at 98 mph with very good life. Aggressive, throws strikes and gets ahead in the count. Also mixes in a biting 82-83 mph plus slider, and an improving 80-81 mph changeup. Very good control. Team leader and a hard worker. A closer in college, Hagadone could make it as a starter if his changeup keeps improving. Not a lot of miles on his arm. Needs to work on keeping his delivery consistent. At this stage, despite having fluid arm action, his delivery is a bit compact. The team is still undecided as to whether Hagadone will be a starter or a reliever long-term. Hagadone had TJ Surgery in early June 2008, and returned to the mound in Greenville almost exactly one year later.
Brian Price Scouting Report: Arm without a lot of mileage. Projectable frame. Price languished for two years at the back of the Rice bullpen, but impressed in 2008, rocketing his draft stock up the charts. Smooth 3/4 delivery, but a lot of seemingly unnecessary movement and long arm action. Not a lot of deception. His fastball sits between 92-95 mph with a nice tail running in on righties. If used in relief, Price’s fastball can reach the high 90s for an inning burst. Two-seamer sits around 89-92 mph, also has nice inward movement against right handed batters. Also mixes in a plus 83-87 mph slider, which he relies on as his out pitch. Changeup has fluctuated from 79 to 85 mph, as it’s still a work in progress – he shows it a bit too much. However, it does have nice separation from his fastball. His command can be erratic at times when he gets rattled, but for the most part Price has great command and control.
MLB-TV guys making fun of Victor Martinez bobblehead night.
"It's all part of life's rich pageant, you know?" - Inspector Clouseau
Just talked to my dad on the phone. He’s a Red Sox fan (I know, I know). Told him that the Sox had acquired Victor and sounded pretty happy. I told that the Sox only gave up Masterson and a couple other prospects and he sounded enthralled.
I hate my dad.
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
by mjschaefer on Jul 31, 2009 3:09 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Bryan Price, RHP, Grade B-: High upside arm, though he might advance more slowly if used as a starter than as a reliever.
I think we’re getting a good feel for the new bullpen strategy to avoid yearly diappointments. Quantity.
Didn’t say there was anything wrong with it. I’m just saying Shap has identfied his biggest weakness as a GM (constructing bullpens), as is trying something new. Meh, can’t argue with it.
by supermarioelia on Jul 31, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Can’t complain. Three high-upside guys. Masterson will start immediately. Hagadone is probably the best arm in the bunch. Price is a legit talent.
BA had Masterson at 4 and Hagadone at 8 going into 2008 — for 2009 Masterson was no longer a prospect and Hagadone was 3
by Logodaedalus on Jul 31, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
it took me 45 minutes to realize this was going on as opposed to the old thread.
You are reading my signature.
Xei Frank just made $312,000 betting on these trades.
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by emd2k3 on Jul 31, 2009 3:16 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Pretty sure I’m right about the Indians goal of increasing female fans.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Wow, his face looks a lot like my cousin.
by Logodaedalus on Jul 31, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Your cousin is just a face? Wild.
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by emd2k3 on Jul 31, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
big, big, big rec.
I propose giving Victor a 2012 World Series ring.
by Gradyforpresident on Jul 31, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Agent M. And that’s all you need to know.
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by emd2k3 on Jul 31, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
maybe we can get John Farrell as the MTBNL
by APV on Jul 31, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Gimenez is getting traded to Boston University? What are we getting back?
by Logodaedalus on Jul 31, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Seems only fair — female Tribe fans are getting a lot in these other trades….
by Logodaedalus on Jul 31, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Straight women and gay men, I should say. Don’t want to be heteronormative.
by Logodaedalus on Jul 31, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the key is whether you can get past Hagadone’s age, TJ history, and small pro sample. I’m prepared to get past those things.
by Logodaedalus on Jul 31, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
all I know is if Jamie Carroll isn’t traded for a 5-star prospect in the next 35 minutes I’m done being a fan.
A Boston writer is the one reporting it.
But here is Castro: http://castrovince.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/07/martinez_to_the_red_sox.html
Strangest tweet of the day:
The Rockies just got reliever Joe Biemel, according to Biemel’s family member.
Jerry Hairston’s gardener could not be reached for comment.
by FallsTribeFan on Jul 31, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
If it turns out all his relatives except for an uncle died in a fire recently, you’re going to feel terrible for making a joke about it.
Then… so am I.
by Logodaedalus on Jul 31, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
at least we can talk tribe on the way to hades…
by DontCallMeJoey on Jul 31, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
i hope so, i think he should at least.
by I'd give my legs for Wegz on Jul 31, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
This is bad news for Tomo Ohka.
featuring the curses of Bobby Bragan and Rocky Colavito
by elsandito on Jul 31, 2009 3:31 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
as if there was any good news coming his way at the end of the year?
by BLAZER_FAN_199 on Jul 31, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude… I was just starting to feel good about this.
by Logodaedalus on Jul 31, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Noah Coslov:
I’m being told the Indians are speaking with the Blue Jays and young arms are involved.
Not Jhonny right?
if they move Rolen to the Reds?
by FallsTribeFan on Jul 31, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t really get why the Blue Jays would be buying.
by Logodaedalus on Jul 31, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Me neither … I really don’t trust the source on this one.
by FallsTribeFan on Jul 31, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
This is crazy timing, because I was trying to sell Jhonny to my buddy the other day, and they actually have a use for Jhonny next year with Scutaro’s contract expiring.
by supermarioelia on Jul 31, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone who likes this trade has no soul.
I’m taking this very hard.
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
I don’t care for the new avatar. Because I hate him, and because I pretty much just came to the conclusion that the last one was actually a picture of you.
Il faut d'abord durer.
I’ll change back soon. When I wake up from this coma.
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by Turkmenbashi on Jul 31, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Me too. Love Vic he was our soul for a while now.
Len Barker perfect game attendee
by SeattleVinny on Jul 31, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Castrovince says a fourth player might be involved. Not sure if that means a fourth prospect to Cleveland?
He was the third… unless he’s counting Victor….
by Logodaedalus on Jul 31, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s probably it. From the comment here it wasn’t clear whether the package from Boston was what was being counted, or the total number of players in the trade.
by Logodaedalus on Jul 31, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely. Like a 3B.
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
by Turkmenbashi on Jul 31, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
i was thinking about that.
by I'd give my legs for Wegz on Jul 31, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Not if it meant giving up any of these arms. If they came in addition, well then, sure, of course.
by Logodaedalus on Jul 31, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Not really…. I like all the pitching we’re getting/we got, and Marson and Donald seem valuable. I wouldn’t swap any of the pitchers we got for position players, unless, again, it meant more value overall. You can never have too many arms.
But I have a pitching bias in general, so.
by Logodaedalus on Jul 31, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus we have quite a few young infielders at the ML level — Valbuena, Cabrera, Marte, even Peralta. Not a lot of power on this team, however, unless Marte or Peralta begin to come through.
Sizemore, Choo, Shoppach have power. LaPorta…
by Logodaedalus on Jul 31, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
LaPorta’s the key. Choo is more of a gap hitter, IMO. I guess I meant that there’s no one in the line up who’s really scary. LaPorta might become that guy (or perhaps Weglarz, given time).
Choo has doubles power, and hits some HRs…
It’s not as if we’re becoming the Twins.
by Logodaedalus on Jul 31, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Choo is great, don’t get me wrong. I was trying to point out that one thing we DIDN’T acquire in all of this was a real power hitter, a guy who can hit 30+ home runs. Hafner WAS that guy; LaPorta might become him. I don’t think Choo has that kind of power. I’m still happy we’re getting pitchers; I hope they got the right ones.
I even forgot about Hafner somehow. It’s looking like Hafner may be back to being pretty scary, though he won’t hit 30+ for playing time reasons, you’d assume.
by Logodaedalus on Jul 31, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s hitting a HR every 15.6 AB this year, compared to 14.7 in 05, 10.8 in 06, 22.7 in 07, and 39.6 last year. And yeah, his OPS is down a bit from 05-06, but it’s still better (.915) than it was in 07 or 08.
(1) Is Hafner’s 2009 OPS within Chuck’s predicted range?
(2) Hamilton was talking the other night about someone on the team predicting Hafner is going to have an awesome 2010 once he can condition over the offseason.
If he can play every day, he could definitely be a major force.
by Logodaedalus on Jul 31, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, unless you swap out Price for a position player who had more upside. But that’s not a question of equal value then.
by Logodaedalus on Jul 31, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Positional prospects.
I count only 2—1 catcher and 1 middle infielder. I would like to see more in addition to our inventory of young pitching.
Maybe, you run the risk of focusing on one are of need to much, but we do have some very good positional prospects in the system. I would’ve liked a 3B prospect though.
i wish mills could play third, but i really want marte to suddenly become really good
by I'd give my legs for Wegz on Jul 31, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Knapp Time.
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by emd2k3 on Jul 31, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’d prefer an interpretive dance. Words aren’t appropriate right now.
by xrickx on Jul 31, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Also, I just bet a large sum of money on the Detroit run line tonight. This team just got its heart ripped out.
makes me wonder how many times our announcers will call Detroit “Boston” tonight
by BLAZER_FAN_199 on Jul 31, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Boy the Reds keep surprising me with their stupidity. Say all you want about not getting the best ‘haul’ for Lee and Martinez, but the Reds keep fooling themselves with this nonsense.
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Sizemore/Choo/LaPorta in the OF, Cabrera/Valbuena/Peralta/Weglarz in the IF, and Santana C. And now about a million pitching prospects, needing 8 or 9 to pan out. Didn’t Shapiro say once that the hardest part of being in this market was having the pitching and hitting line up at the same time?
Just trying to optimistic.
www.lowbrowsophisticate.com
Am I wrong for liking Sandy Alomar more than V-Mart?
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
Yes
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by Turkmenbashi on Jul 31, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Curious… where are all of you? No one could possibly be getting more work done than I am (which is none).
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
I am “at work”, but clearly not working.
by Logodaedalus on Jul 31, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Work. Its nice that not only do we get to see the Indians dismantled in front of our eyes, but we also get to hurt the economy doing so.
Me too, though I’m not hurting anyone but myself by it.
by Logodaedalus on Jul 31, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
i feel better that we’re being let go an hour early.
clearly nobody’s busy here.
You are reading my signature.
Same here. I legitimately haven’t had anything to do all week, but I could have been doing grad school prep stuff.
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
by Turkmenbashi on Jul 31, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I failed
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
by Turkmenbashi on Jul 31, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Lachore to Braves with 1 million for Kotchman. A total wash?
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Price has been struggling since moving up to A+. Does he move over to Kinston or slide back to Lake County?
that would make very little sense… i dont know how hairston became valuable in any way.
by I'd give my legs for Wegz on Jul 31, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Not that anyone cares, but there is technically a game tonight. Marte in, Shoppach out. Gim catching.
nick johnson to marlins, im not sure anyone cares.
by I'd give my legs for Wegz on Jul 31, 2009 4:02 PM EDT reply actions
i doubt he wants to leave the d.c. area.
by I'd give my legs for Wegz on Jul 31, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m definitely in the denial stage it hasn’t hit yet.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
I want to just watch tonight’s game- just a nice little distraction. Cheer for my team to win against a team I don’t like very much.
I’ll probably watch it on mute though, because god knows all they’ll be talking about is trades.
Friend on facebook bemoaning the trades saying we should “Pony up the money and keep these guys and build the future around them”
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
Ha, I like this idea
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
by Turkmenbashi on Jul 31, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s like Cliff Lee’s comment on the PD website, something like “Trading two Cy Young winners in a row? If that’s what Shapiro thinks makes the team better…”
Hell, Cliff. Were you planning on signing a cheap extension? You and CC both? Thanks for eating shit in 2007 when the Indians needed you most.
And probably a little shinier
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
by Turkmenbashi on Jul 31, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
You know, I’ve been thinking about this. If they had won the WS in 2007, and 2008/2009 played out just as it has performance-wise, I think the events of this past week still happen.
by kennesawmountainwahoo on Jul 31, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Even more so, probably. You have the WS ring, so you can even more afford to build for long term success instead of trying to go all out for 2010.
by Logodaedalus on Jul 31, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if we will move Pavano via a Waiver trade. Moving him would be pretty much entirely a salary dump. Not too many teams would be willing to claim him to block the trade either. Same thing could go for Carrol.
Carrol is a Utility IF. I think Shapiro would rather have the $1M he’d save on the rest of Carrol’s salary than get the benefits of Carrol over whoever.
Anyone know what happens with the incentives if he’s traded? Do they get pro-rated between the Indians and the new team?
Sorry if this has already been discussed, but I don’t remember what the answer is.
by Logodaedalus on Jul 31, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
sigh. There goes the teams soul.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
I don’t think this is an overstatement at all. We lost the identity of the team today. Today ended an era in Indians baseball.
Absolutely agreed
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
by Turkmenbashi on Jul 31, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Not getting cariried away at all. It’s Vicotr for God’s sake.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Jul 31, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course, but there’ll be another center. You may not be able to replace Vic, but someone can succeed him.
Sure. But Victor is a rare breed. I can’t really imagine even a candidate for successor of that roll, can you? Asdrubal? Grady?
I though the same thing in the 90s, too, when Victor was a kid in Ciudad Bolivar. And that’s not a knock on Vic. This was his era, now it’s over. I dread telling my 10 year old, who just bought a Victor jersey, that his second favorite Indian was just traded. But it’s not as if there is no future, just because we’re having a hard time imagining it.
I am a Chiefs fan as well and this had been a terrible summer for me.
I have to look at Tony Gonzalez in an Atlanta Falcons jersey and now Victor in a RED SOX jersey. THE RED SOX!
And CC is in pin stripes. It is enough to make you vomit.
I can’t take it.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
Used to what? Losing? Heart break or both?
The Chiefs were in the playoffs 2 seasons ago and are on their way back with strong leadership. It isn’t them I am worried about.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Jul 31, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Just wait till LeBron… oh nevermind
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
by Turkmenbashi on Jul 31, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, and to share a horrible scare I had earlier today. There was a headline that said “Twins acquire shortstop Cabrera.”
My heart nearly stopped.
It was Orlando.
I nearly had to lie down. :D
I had a dream a little while back that we traded “Cabrera or Valbuena” and we had to wait until the next game to figure out which we still had.
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I know Sharpo is not going to come out and say it, but with the way things are going with today economics, this maybe the only way Dolan’s can keep the team and hope to build something when things turn around. Things are tuff and sometime hard decisions have to be made to survive. I do not think we got fair value but 60 cent on the dollar is about what you can expect in today’s market and this is not just baseball
Fan in Texas
I’ll miss Victor. At the same time, I’m very glad he had the first half of the year he had for us. Based on last year, who thought he’d hit that well? Who knows if he will hit well again in the second half (very early results = probably not), let alone next year. And although he may be the team’s soul, he’s also 30 and also a catcher). Maybe he’ll do us all a solid by knocking the Yankees out of the playoffs with a walk-off hit.
Personally, I say we salute the lad for giving us 3 great months, and, as a result, 3 good to very-good baseball players as a thankful farewell. Thanks, Victor – good game.
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