Rondon to AAA
The PD reports that Hector Rondon has been promoted to AAA. Elsewhere in the paper, Wedge is quoted as saying Laffey will start for the Indians on Wednesday. (I can't find a link to that quote, but I swear I read it in the paper version). Bye-bye Tomo, I guess.
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peter m
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Laffey will start Wednesday. He is taking Ohka’s place.
I would wager we’re going to see Betancourt back soon as well, with Gosling gone.
Either that, or Betancourt will be activated and dealt.
Next question is what the next step is for Fausto.
If he’s determined to be ready, it could be Sowers time to move to the bullpen, or maybe Pavano goes up on the block quickly.
by FallsTribeFan on Jul 6, 2009 10:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Even acknowledging the cost of Betancourt’s option, dealing our only usually reliable reliever seems like a bad way to start building a bullpen for the future.
by MTF on Jul 6, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Betancourt’s had a remarkably long run with the Indians (since 2003). I didn’t check all the AL teams, but only ONE other reliever in the AL central has been with his team as long as Betancourt has been with the Indians — Rodney, with Detroit. I suppose that argues for trading Betancourt while he has value. On the other hand, the Twins, who typically have solid bullpens, have three guys who have been with the team since 2004 — Nathan, Guerrier and Crain. So, I suppose one could make the counter-argument too (i.e., stability can be good).
I would trade him if you can get something worthwhile for him — he was not good last year and this year he has been uneven, so I don’t think you can count on his returning to form, even though he was showing signs of pitching well before he got hurt. Counting on him as a “reliable reliever” for next year is a risky proposition.
by peter m on Jul 6, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Counting on any reliever to be reliable is risky. That’s obvious. Our recurring nightmare of a bullpen isn’t helped by trading the one guy who has been excellent in the past and reliable most other times (this year included, when not hurt). The best argument for trading him is his cost next year but, barring some other plan, we may need to eat that cost.
by MTF on Jul 6, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again, I suspect this excuse about “reliever volatility” only works with bums who have occasional flashes of competency. Good pitchers can be relied on. Matt Guerrier has had 100+ ERA+ seasons four out of the past five seasons. Matt Thornton, three out of the last four.
There are many relievers you can count on. Just not many in Cleveland.
by odradek on Jul 7, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Betancourt is older, but as mentioned below, Betancourt, by far, is the only one with a consistent track record of getting guys out on a regular basis, and probably has some of the best stuff in the pen (only Wood is noticeably better, and Wood doesn’t have Betancourt’s command). As also mentioned, he was looking more like his old self (and had almost locked up the setup role again, since he was the only consistent reliever out of the bullpen, even better than Wood) before he went down with that injury.
If someone really wants Betancourt, then you listen and maybe make a deal; otherwise, you likely restructure his option for next year (including adding a little more guaranteed money if necessary) and have him be part of the revamped bullpen. Of the “Big 3,” Betancourt looks to be the better bet over both Perez and Lewis, neither of which look close to their 2007 form (Lewis has lost velocity and command, giving up a tremendous amount of hits and HRs; Perez may have lost 1-2 MPH, but more importantly, can’t command his slider and keeps hanging it, plus is walking guys left and right).
Just my 2 cents.
The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.
by indiansfan on Jul 6, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t really think that Betancourt has the best stuff, he throws decently hard. He really relies on one pitch, which doesn’t scream stuff to me. He had excellent control in his best seasons which was his calling card
by Roger Dorn on Jul 6, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. He could nail the pitch low and outside to righthanded hitters. His thing has been location, not stuff.
by odradek on Jul 7, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess it all comes down to bang for your buck.
Betancourt has been wildly inconsistent the last couple years .. and I just don’t see him being picked up for $5.4 million.
by FallsTribeFan on Jul 6, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is really no good reason to rush Fausto back. He’s been demoted, not DL’ed, so there’s no forced timetable at all.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Jul 6, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And yet we seem to be doing that. I was hoping to not see him again until next year.
I become an expert simply by doing something.
by fwembt on Jul 6, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it gives Fausto confidence to move up quickly
by Roger Dorn on Jul 6, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t equate moving him to Columbus quickly with bringing him back quickly. I don’t think they’re moving him “up” as much as they’re just moving him around. He might start in Akron next week, and that wouldn’t really mean anything, either. It’s an unusual situation.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Jul 6, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s true and I hadn’t thought of it that way. By the same token, rushing this is the worst thing they could possibly do. He’s a Cy Young contender turned project, it’s clearly something that is going to take some time. Rushing him back on a wasted season is pointless.
I become an expert simply by doing something.
by fwembt on Jul 6, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t assume that. I mean, I might guess it, but I don’t assume it. Maybe he just needed to be smacked around. Maybe it’s something very simple, once he starts taking it seriously.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Jul 7, 2009 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would guess that Betancourt will be activated before Tuesday’s game.
by TribeJay on Jul 6, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t see how looking at how long guys tend to stay with their teams is an argument one way or another as far as keeping or trading Betancourt.
I’m not sure what I think they should do with his option. It’s fairly expensive for a reliever, and it’s far from a guarantee that he’ll be effective next year…. on the other hand, the bullpen is in such a sad state that if he has a reasonable shot of being Good Betancourt, it might be worth it. I’d need to know what kind of bullpen acquisitions come back in other trades before I can really have much of an opinion.
by Logodaedalus on Jul 6, 2009 12:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
damn. This was of course a reply to peter.
by Logodaedalus on Jul 6, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was really just wondering how often teams hang on to middle relievers (not often, it appears). That’s probably partly because they’re so inconsistent, partly because teams don’t usually sign them to really long-term contracts (so they jump ship). I’m not finding too many examples of teams that built bullpens by hanging on to middle relievers for extended periods — but, the Twins may be an exception. That was what I was trying to get at: how do other teams build their bullpens (since we haven’t had much luck with that)?
by peter m on Jul 6, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TL says Rondon will get called up for sure when Roster’s expand in September. But there’s a decent chance he might get called up sooner. The FO is watching him closely to make a well informed decision.
As I said before, I think the performances of Laffey, Carmona, and Rondon (not necessarily in that order) will play a major role in Shapiro’s decision whether or not to trade Lee this year. I wouldn’t say its the primary factor, but if those three pitch well I think Shapiro feels a lot better about trading Lee.
by world dictator on Jul 6, 2009 2:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This would make more sense of you said it would affect the decision about whether to trade Lee NEXT year. We won’t know enough about Laffey, Carmona or Rondon in time for a decision about trading Lee this year to be affected (especially pre-trading deadline).
by peter m on Jul 6, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would the front office need to evaluate pitchers in July of 2009 in order to determine whether we’re going to trade LEE during July of 2010. If we keep Lee into the 2010 season, then the only factor that would determine if we trade him is whether or not we’re in contention.
I still don’t understand this assertion that we don;t have enough time before the trade deadline to evaluate these three pitchers. We don’t need a full in depth evaluation of Fausto, Laffey, or Rondon.
by world dictator on Jul 6, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I misunderstood your original post.
I think the performances of Laffey, Carmona, and Rondon (not necessarily in that order) will play a major role in Shapiro’s decision whether or not to trade Lee this year.
I read that and thought you were talking about trading Lee THIS year (2009). If that’s what you meant, I’ll stick to my guns: there’s no way they can find out if Rondon is going to be a major league pitcher next year within the next few weeks. Carmona is a mystery — a few weeks more data aren’t going to tell us that he’s “back.” He needs to demonstrate consistency, the ability to adjust to what hitters are doing, the ability to take his bullpen stuff into actual major league games, etc. There are so many questions about him at this point that I wouldn’t be confident about him unless he’s pitched well for a sustained stretch of time AT THE MAJOR LEAGUE LEVEL. Laffey is a little bit different, I suppose. He’s shown signs of doing well and was pitching very well before he got injured. If he returns on Wednesday and pitches well for several weeks, you might reasonably conclude that he’s a viable major league starting pitcher on whom you could rely for next year.
You’re right about 2010. I think whether or not we trade Lee will be affected far more by whether we’re in or out of the pennant race — as the trade of Sabathia was. If we’re in, Shapiro likely would keep Lee; if the younger pitchers are ALSO doing well, he’s even more likely to keep him under those circumstances, since that would mean we’d have a real chance of doing something in September and October (and he’d be inclined to go for it, rather than cutting his losses by trading Lee).
by peter m on Jul 6, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with Tony that Rondon is pretty much a lock for a September callup, but I betcha they wait until the Clippers season actually ends, on September 7, and I betcha we don’t call him up before that. We have plenty of other guys who could use some big-league starts.
Rondon is set up to be our sixth starter next year, as Carmona was in 2007, as Sowers was in 2008, as Huff was this season. If he dazzles in spring training, they’ll think about not burning an option on him, but these decisions are rarely just about one guy.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Jul 6, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

















