BP Article on Hagadone

Good little article about our rehabbing power lefty.

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Stuffwise, he sounds like the next Adam Miller. Gulp.

But we won’t really know what we have until next spring.

by ken from alexandria on Aug 1, 2009 9:45 AM EDT reply actions

I thought we only wanted crafty lefties?

by gte619n on Aug 1, 2009 10:10 AM EDT reply actions

Then you haven’t been paying attention the last few weeks.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on Aug 1, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions

Hagadone has huge upside. Hopefully, he can regain his command and refine his changeup. If so, he could be on the fast track and be a FOR starter. I know this might sound silly since it’s so far away, but if all goes well, a rotation of Knapp, Hagadone, Rondon, De La Cruz and Carrasco (or Price, Barnes, Gomez, House, Berger, White, etc) seems pretty damn outstanding. Oh well, we’ll have to wait and see.

by JP_Frost on Aug 1, 2009 10:27 AM EDT reply actions

where is he going to start out with us, Kinston?

by ASP on Aug 1, 2009 12:14 PM EDT reply actions

I think Lake County. Price will go to Kinston.

by TribeJay on Aug 1, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions

Pretty good article. Thanks for sharing.

Do anyone know if we plan to use him as a starter or as a reliever?

"sometimes the internet is hard for me." - ClemsonGirl

by world dictator on Aug 1, 2009 12:37 PM EDT reply actions

Red Sox fan here

You guys really got a solid package here for V-Mart. I was hoping you guys would take the very overrated Michael Bowden and his limited ceiling over a guy like Hagadone who has frontline starter upside if he can stay healthy, get his control back to the level it was prior to TJ surgery and develop the changeup like he was doing prior to getting hurt or closer upside (think Matt Thornton, even though he’s not a closer yet, he should be for someone) if he can’t hold up in the rotation and the changeup doesn’t develop. Either way, he’s got a ton of upside. To the poster who asked, I can’t imagine him doing anything but starting in the minors. You generally don’t move an arm like that to the pen until you absolutely have to.

Masterson will also be a very valuable piece for years for you guys, regardless of whether he is a starter or reliever long-term. Price is a guy who may be a setup man in the Majors long-term as well, but the prospect/pitcher I will miss most is Hagadone. Easily the arm with the highest upside that you guys received in this deal.

by I AM GOD on Aug 1, 2009 1:35 PM EDT reply actions

Thanks for the insights. I think most of us here, despite the emotional reaction, think we made a pretty good deal. Personally, I like this return a lot more than what we got for Lee. And in case you can’t tell from looking around this site, you guys got a living legend.

"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter

by Denver Tribe Fan on Aug 1, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions

With your credentials, couldn’t you have controlled who got dealt where?

-Erik

by drerikbrady on Aug 3, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions

Keith Law...

Apparently shares my Nick Hagadone love. He ranks Hagadone the 2nd best prospect moved at (around) the deadline: http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=4371230&name=law_keith

“2. Nick Hagadone, LHP, from Boston to Cleveland: Hagadone is just 26 innings into his return from Tommy John surgery, and while his development was slowed by the injury and long layoff, at worst he looks like a very good late-game reliever who can get left- and right-handed hitters out. There’s still a chance he can develop into a starter, although that’s going to take time.”

A couple other new Indians make the list as well.

by I AM GOD on Aug 1, 2009 8:08 PM EDT reply actions

Gah… it’s pay content. If anyone wanted to just post the list of 10, it’d be cool.

by Logodaedalus on Aug 2, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions

1. Brett Wallace, 3B
2. Nick Hagadone, LHP, from Boston to Cleveland: Hagadone is just 26 innings into his return from Tommy John surgery, and while his development was slowed by the injury and long layoff, at worst he looks like a very good late-game reliever who can get left- and right-handed hitters out. There’s still a chance he can develop into a starter, although that’s going to take time.
3. Josh Bell, 3B
4. Zach Stewart, RHP
5. Aaron Poreda, LHP
6. Josh Roenicke, RHP
7. Jason Knapp, RHP, from Philadelphia to Cleveland: Knapp has a big arm and a violent delivery; he’s had great success as an 18-year-old in full-season ball, but is currently on the shelf with minor shoulder fatigue.
8. Carlos Carrasco, RHP, from Philadelphia to Cleveland: Carrasco has had success in the minor leagues without a plus pitch, although on a good day he will show three average pitches. The Phillies had soured on Carrasco’s makeup, allowing Cleveland to pick him up as a distressed asset.
9. Tim Alderson, RHP
10. Bryan Price, RHP, from Boston to Cleveland: Price is in his first full pro year and his first year as a starter after he was an infrequently used reliever and spot starter at Rice; he has the stuff to pitch in the middle of a big league rotation but has been hit around some in high-A and he has already thrown more innings this year than he did in all of 2008, including his collegiate work.

by FredOx on Aug 2, 2009 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions

I often read “violent delivery” as a red flag for high potential for injury. Hope I’m wrong on this one.

"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter

by Denver Tribe Fan on Aug 2, 2009 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions

I don’t think violence is bad, if all that means he’s not a tall-and-fall guy. Tim Lincecum looks kind of violent to me.

by fleerdon on Aug 2, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions

“but has been hit around some in high-A”

I wonder if that .390 babip has something to do with it.

by JP_Frost on Aug 2, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions

Cool, thanks.

And I’m guessing Masterson would be on there if he were a prospect…

by Logodaedalus on Aug 2, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions

This is borderline in terms of swiping copyrighted material. I’ll leave it up, but let’s minimize going forward.

ESPN Insider costs 10 cents a day.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on Aug 2, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions

I feel a little dirty.

featuring the curses of Bobby Bragan and Rocky Colavito

by elsandito on Aug 2, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions

ESPN Insider costs 10 cents a day.

Without turning this into a discussion about class, I’d just like to say that I don’t think we should be so presumptuous about what people can or can’t afford. I know that for the majority of the time I’ve been reading LGT, I wasn’t in a position to pay for subscriber only content to baseball sites.

I’m not disputing LGT’s copyrighted material rules, I’m just saying its not always as cut and dry as you tend to make it out.

"sometimes the internet is hard for me." - ClemsonGirl

by world dictator on Aug 3, 2009 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions

Yeah I can’t (well maybe can but probably shouldn’t) pay for ESPN Insider right now. I thnk as long as it’s just the list it’s fine. If it were the whole article that would be a problem.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Aug 3, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions

I disagree. This isn’t borderline. It would be one thing if only the Indians prospects were posted, but that’s the entire top ten list. I think you should take it down, or at least trim it to the 4 Indians only.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on Aug 3, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions

That’s a very arbitrary standard

"sometimes the internet is hard for me." - ClemsonGirl

by world dictator on Aug 3, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions

Huh … I was thinking the opposite. Post the list, but not the commentary associated with it. (That’s what I had in mind when I requested it. I mainly just wanted to know which of our acquisitions made the list and in what ranks.)

Anyway.

by Logodaedalus on Aug 3, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions

Furthermore!

Your favorite site, Fangraphs, ranks the trade deadline prospects. One line and one line only:

As a teaser for the final rankings, the Top 5 winning organizations in terms of prospect value are: 1. Cleveland, 2. Oakland, 3. Toronto, 4. Pittsburgh, 5. Baltimore.

Hard not to be #1, right?

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Aug 3, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions