Why is Jamey Carroll Still Here?
by woodsmeister on Aug 19, 2009 1:09 PM EDT
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Seriously, why is Jamey Carroll still with the Cleveland Indians? He's exactly the kind of spare part that a contending club needs. He's got an OBP of .392 and he plays a gazillion positions. His contract is extremely reasonable. Jason Donald is clearly the utility infielder of the future - why not get him some reps against real big league pitching instead of watered-down September pitching?
Jamey Carroll is a luxury the Cleveland Indians do not need right now, and every one of his at bats is at the expense of one of the kids who needs it. Even if he's great in the clubhouse and always kind to children and animals, what point does his presence serve with the team right now?
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Donald is probably not ready so we would see Barf-field.
Stuart Dean
by stuart dean on Aug 19, 2009 1:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Barfield was DFA’ed off the 40-man roster — apparently just for the hell of it. We will not see him this season or probably ever again.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Aug 19, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh woe to thee who underestimates the ways and wiles of the wedsie
Stuart Dean
by stuart dean on Aug 19, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only thing I can think of is A) teams are overlooking him (which seems highly unlikely or B) Cleveland hasn’t put him on waivers (which I have no knowledge of one way or the other) and feels that paying him the rest of the year and not receiving anything for him, is better for the young players in the clubhouse.
Doesn’t make sense…but whatever.
by MooneysRebellion on Aug 19, 2009 1:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Everyone goes on waivers. I’m guessing that the demand for a utility guy isn’t that high this year.
by FredOx on Aug 19, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Donald is coming off some serious injuries, I can’t see him being ready.
The real question is “Which contender needs a utility player?” The rumor before the deadline was that the Diamondbacks were interested, but they have fallen out of contention. The Phillies don’t really have a need with Utley/Dobbs/Feliz. The Yankees are too far ahead to care. On down the line, there doesn’t seem to be a team that is screaming for a utility guy.
by Toxicadam on Aug 19, 2009 1:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It’s not that uncommon for a team well in the lead to pick up a smartly chosen role player to shore up potential weaknesses, even if it is just for the postseason.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Aug 19, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea. There are two possibilities the way I see it.
1. Is Carroll anywhere near Type B free agent? If so, it would probably make sense for us to hold onto him. I don’t think this is the case.
2. A team placed a waiver claim on Carroll meaning we aren’t free to trade him to any team, only the team that placed a claim. Cleveland has a certain number of days to come to an agreement and does not want to give him up for nothing, which is what that claiming team was hoping for.
by Roger Dorn on Aug 19, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The last update of the free agent rankings that Eddie B (from Detroit Tigers Thoughts) put together shows an insurmountable gap between Carroll and the bottom of the type B list.
by FredOx on Aug 19, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To answer your first point, no. The latest rankings have him pretty far off.
by malexander on Aug 19, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently I don’t type fast enough.
by malexander on Aug 19, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
would we offer him arbitration, though?
by Brick. on Aug 19, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way. You end up paying $4 mill for a 36-year-old utility player. Wedge is playing him every day to expose Carroll’s weakness as an everyday player and thus harm his arbitration case.
by odradek on Aug 20, 2009 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You think he would get 4 mil? Interesting
by Roger Dorn on Aug 20, 2009 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They’re going to compare him to free agent salaries.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Aug 20, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wedge is playing him every day to expose Carroll’s weakness as an everyday player and thus harm his arbitration case.
this seems unlikely
I reserve the right to complain about Gimenez at 1B and Carroll in the OF, no matter the facts. - FredOx
by DontCallMeJoey on Aug 20, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was an attempt at humor. I can’t explain why Wedge is playing Carroll so much. This is what happened last year after Blake was traded. Carroll is a good plater, and a valuable part of the Indians, but he isn’t an everyday player at this stage in his career.
by odradek on Aug 22, 2009 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this all assumes Cleveland is just choosing to keep him. I’d more likely assume the problem is on the other end: Either there isn’t enough interest in him or we’re currently negotiating with the team that placed the claim.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Aug 19, 2009 4:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is there a timeline here? Wouldn’t he have been claimed a while ago?
Sorry I’m being dense.
by afh4 on Aug 19, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the Indians can put him on waivers at any time in August. From there the other teams have 3 days to place their claims. If a team claims him, the team with the worst record has 2 days to negotiate a trade or the Indians can withdraw the waive at which point we are stuck with him. We also have the option to just give him to the team that claimed him
by Roger Dorn on Aug 19, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe other teams have 2 days to place their claim. Also, I believe the priority order goes through the same league first, as in, the Mariners have priority over the Yankees on Carroll, but the Yankees have priority over every NL team.
by dgcambridge on Aug 20, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The source I read said 3. I do agree about the same league getting priority over the opposing league no matter the record
by Roger Dorn on Aug 20, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting. But try this source. I think you’ll agree that it’s persuasive.
by dgcambridge on Aug 20, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One would think he would have been claimed early. So either a) he wasn’t, and we’re talking, or b) we pulled him back, most likely because compensation didn’t seem appropriate, or c) we’re keeping him around on purpose.
Of course there’s d), he passed through waivers and we can do whatever we want with him, including (I think) negotiating with multiple teams for any time period just like before the deadline.
I don’t know if I’m missing any options but I would vote option “B” at this point.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Aug 19, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it’s option D. They’re showcasing him; it’s not like Wedge woke up one day and thought, “let’s make Carroll the starting LF!”
At least, I hope to God that’s not it.
The once and future
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Aug 20, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that it? I assumed it was because Crowe was hurt, and he didn’t want to play Marte.
by FredOx on Aug 20, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Deep conspiracy here.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Aug 20, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant the reason Carroll is in the outfield, not the reason Carroll hasn’t been traded.
by FredOx on Aug 20, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just to clarify for my own mind, your scenarios are:
a) for some reason, we waited and put him on waivers this week, and are waiting on a claim or negotiating
b) we put him on waivers early in the month, like normal, he was claimed, and we pulled him back
c) we have not placed him on waivers
d) he was not claimed, and so he may still be traded.
d is certainly most likely. b is possible but we would have been tempted to just let him go.
by dgcambridge on Aug 20, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
See I don’t think D is that likely. Would he really go unclaimed?
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Aug 20, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I say it’s the most likely because I would be surprised that we wouldn’t go for the cash savings if he was claimed. Aren’t we that poor?
It wouldn’t surprise me if he wasn’t claimed, teams might be set in that spot. It also might be a matter of prioritizing/limiting your claims. As I understand, these guys are all placed on waivers at the same time. So if you’re a contending team looking for help, you can’t just put claims in on every guy who might be able to help, teams might be able to let go, and has a contract you might be willing to take. Right? You can’t risk getting stuck with 4 of those guys.
by dgcambridge on Aug 20, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think we are poor enough that we can’t stomach Carroll’s remaining contract
by Roger Dorn on Aug 20, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think when it comes to Jamey Carroll, if any contending team wanted him they would have just claimed him with the knowledge that they could get him for basically nothing (or maybe literally nothing, if the Tribe just let him go). So if it is in fact option D, I doubt that he’ll get traded at all; if he was going to get traded, he would have been claimed.
Likewise, I think A and C are highly unlikely, and B precludes a trade, so I doubt Jamey is going anywhere.
by Chemo on Aug 20, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What you guys don’t realize is that I’m Mark Shapiro.
Oh sure. But this is drunk logic. Also, time-traveling potatoes.--AngG
by Julie on Aug 19, 2009 4:45 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I’ve always wanted to know why you pronounce your name sha-pie-ro and not sha-pier-o.
It’s a little “Young Frankenstein” if you asked me.
by Seattle Tribe Fan on Aug 19, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like pie more than I like piers.
Oh sure. But this is drunk logic. Also, time-traveling potatoes.--AngG
by Julie on Aug 19, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Sha-PYRO
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Aug 19, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Former fantasy team name of mine.
by JulioBernazard on Aug 20, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree Mark. Good choices.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Aug 19, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don’t know, but i’m sure shapiro has a good reason
. . .
If you don't respect Aaron Laffey, I will fight you.
by Cap'n Snegiryov on Aug 19, 2009 5:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Don’t worry your pretty little head over it. Papa knows best.
by odradek on Aug 20, 2009 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t you guys miss when this reasoning could answer everything?
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Aug 20, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jamie Carroll...
JAMIE CARROLL brings alot of intangibles to this Tribe team. For one, he’s the glue that helps keep the chemistry of this team more cohesive; particularly with the young bucks coming up from minor league ball. (Former Tribe 3B Casey Blake was basically the same type of player who also brought alot of intangibles)
Alot of Tribe fans may not see it this way, but I do, as a former baseball scout.. Many times the reason a team just falls short of winning it all is due to not having one or two players who bring in the “Intangibles.” Things fans never see because in the clubhouse world they aren’t brought to light.
Trading Jamie Carroll, even at 36, may still happen since there will be a team needing a solid, sturdy, dependable utility man like him.
Concluding, it will be more to the Tribe’s loss than the gain to another club should he be traded.
by Terence S on Aug 22, 2009 3:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
All good points. If we trade Carroll, we’ll lose a valuable piece for the 2009 playoffs.
The once and future
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Aug 22, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
I can’t believe this wasn’t already green. Vicious.
by still ill on Aug 26, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am agape at the ignorance of this post.
Since you say the intangibles are out of view in the clubhouse, how did you scout them?
While in possession of Casey Blake’s intangibles, we fell just short of the playoffs in 2005 and just short of the World Series in 2007.
Since Carroll will be a free agent in six weeks, it is 100% the club’s loss if they fail to trade him. He can be re-signed for 2010 as a separate matter, regardless of where he ends up this year.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Aug 22, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well using all caps while spelling Jamey Caroll’s name wrong was funny to me.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Aug 22, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ithinkhope he’s being funny.
There is a great need for a sarcasm font
by stuart dean on Aug 22, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No doubt, but was it intentional? Note prior contribution.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Aug 22, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I noted that as well. Perhaps the devil seed of E5?
There is a great need for a sarcasm font
by stuart dean on Aug 22, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t realize this was the same genius. What happened to his burgeoning Angels fandom?
by fwembt on Aug 22, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by danvail on Aug 23, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hm … possibly new sig for me?
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Aug 23, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wedge?
This raises another interesting question. Obviously we’ve seen a lot of “debris” among new users this year, especially those coming from our Yahoo! portal like this guy did. But we also have a dozen or more really great new users this year, absolutely top-notch folks. So my interesting question is, did any of the good ones come from Yahoo!, or have they only sent us the haters and morons?
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Aug 22, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a website that I pay Google adwords and Yahoo’s equivalent to drive traffic to it.. I’m all-but sure that the flotsam and jetsam are coming from Yahoo. These are the CAPSLOCK@AOL.COM’ers that I stopped hearing from when I terminated my Yahoo efforts.
There is a great need for a sarcasm font
by stuart dean on Aug 22, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I came independently, so score one for Yahoo!
The once and future
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Aug 24, 2009 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What’s Jamey Carroll’s IAR (Intangibles Above Replacement)? It must be off the charts, I can’t find it on Fangraphs anywhere.
by Toxicadam on Aug 22, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d rather have some tangibles, given those are what the pesky people who insist on keeping score require.
by fwembt on Aug 22, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
For one, he’s the glue that helps keep the chemistry of this team more cohesive
I might just make this my signature.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Aug 22, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I should point out how awesome this sentence is in case someone misunderstood me. He’s glue. Glue that makes chemistry sticky. And sticky chemistry is cohesive. And we need cohesive chemistry to win.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Aug 22, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Do cohesive and coherent share a common root?
There is a great need for a sarcasm font
by stuart dean on Aug 22, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They certainly don’t in this case.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Aug 22, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well you certainly are Nick. So it would be a great signature.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Aug 22, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alot of Tribe fans may not see it this way, but I do, as a former baseball boy scout..
by lenred on Aug 28, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s like you’re meeeee.
Oh sure. But this is drunk logic. Also, time-traveling potatoes.--AngG
by Julie on Aug 29, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s hard to imagine why some contender hasn’t pried Jamey Carroll from the Cleveland Indians. The utility infielder is hitting .298 with a .386 on-base percentage, but he has done much of his damage at the plate since the All-Star break: He’s batting .348 with an .875 OPS in the second half, and he has been crushing lefties, against whom he has a .484 on-base percentage.
Carroll, 35, is owed about $600,000 for the rest of this season.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Aug 23, 2009 5:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And is white, and short, and carries his glove everywhere. Jesus.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Aug 23, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So still nothing has leaked out on whether he was even claimed, let alone who the claiming team might have been, correct?
by cheech99 on Aug 23, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We don’t even know if he has been put on waivers yet.
"It's all part of life's rich pageant, you know?" - Inspector Clouseau
by woodsmeister on Aug 23, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My understanding is by now, practically every major leaguer has been put on waivers.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Aug 23, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The more baffling thing is that if a team would claim him in the next week … why did they wait so long? I can’t imagine Shapiro “holding out” for the best offer.
by Toxicadam on Aug 24, 2009 4:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish I could multi-rec.
Oh sure. But this is drunk logic. Also, time-traveling potatoes.--AngG
by Julie on Aug 29, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can someone relate the origin of “Baboo” to me?
There is a great need for a sarcasm font
by stuart dean on Aug 24, 2009 11:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i believe baboo is a unit of measure in canada. and mario informed us that carroll is exactly one baboo tall.
by Brick. on Aug 24, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Julie started it, in a game against the Jackasses. This is the closest you’ll come to an explanation:
I don’t remember really having a reason other than my innate dorkiness mixing with his lack of nickname.
by FredOx on Aug 24, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It keeps giving me a Yogi Bear vibe…
There is a great need for a sarcasm font
by stuart dean on Aug 24, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s Linus and I’m Sally. STAR-CROSSED LOVERS.
Oh sure. But this is drunk logic. Also, time-traveling potatoes.--AngG
by Julie on Aug 29, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
IF Jason Donald, mentioned in this space yesterday, is also on the Columbus DL. He has a strained lower back. Donald had surgery to repair a torn meniscus in his knee earlier this year, before he was acquired in the Cliff Lee trade.
The doubts about Donald’s health might also have a lot to do with why Jamey Carroll is still here.
"It's all part of life's rich pageant, you know?" - Inspector Clouseau
by woodsmeister on Aug 25, 2009 10:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Keep playing him everyday and maybe Elias makes him a Type A free agent.
by odradek on Aug 26, 2009 8:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My recollection is that he’s not even close to Type B status.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Aug 26, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I kind of doubt the Indians would offer him arbitration if they really see his salary this year as an unaffordable luxury
by APV on Aug 26, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another failed effort at humor on my part. Commentary on the absurdity of Elias’ rankings.
by odradek on Aug 27, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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