Jason Knapp to DL
Unfortunately this one is not a "Phelps to CWS" situation. Per Lastoria's Twitter feed, for now.
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wouldn’t that just be a 2? of an S?
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by gorilla_baller on Aug 28, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
i think it’s the inverted O.
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by Cap'n Snegiryov on Aug 28, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
So, Knapp Time?
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by ClemsonGirl on Aug 28, 2009 10:50 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Tony Lastoria said on the message board that Knapp will probably pitch in instructs, so it sounds like he’s just been shut down for the rest of the season.
Not already! Hope the more optimistic scenarios are what’s going on.
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by Denver Tribe Fan on Aug 28, 2009 7:35 PM EDT reply actions
Evan’s got a lot of material to work with in the comments for this one.
Injured is good in Tribeland. Aaron Boone, Anthony Reyes, Carl Pavano (there’s more I’m forgetting about)…now this kid. The Statute of Triberty is inscribed, “Give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses of disabled and rehabbing…”
Triberty! TRIBERTY! “SpindianFevr” is my new muse.
by fleerdon on Aug 29, 2009 10:09 AM EDT reply actions
I do wonder though whether an MRI was done before he came over. Haha I hope we weren’t basing his arm/shoulder health on a physical exam.
by supermarioelia on Aug 29, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Alright enough. I’ve never even met you.
by supermarioelia on Aug 29, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
So… Lastoria says the MRI is bad, people are biting their fingernails, he will still throw in the fall, and no MRI was allowed during the trade.
Steel Nick
An MRI wasn’t allowed? What the Pedroia?
by Ryan on Aug 29, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Trading for a guy with ongoing arm issues without any accompanying imaging? Maybe this is standard for pro sports, but this seems bizarre to me. And I mentioned it above, and I mention it monthly on here, but without proper imaging, the “physical” that team docs do is pointless.
by supermarioelia on Aug 29, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Alright I just had a nice dinner, and had a little more time to think about this.
It does make sense from a player perspective why MRIs aren’t allowed with prospective trades. From a medical ethics standpoint, a resource standpoint, a player rights standpoint….fine.
But here’s what really bothers me. Since all that is available are previous test results, what is to stop a team doc from not ordering an MRI when the decision to image or not is equivocal and the player is on the trading block? I’ve always felt that team doctors as paid employees of the team is quite the ethical snafu, and this really does hammer it home for me. To me, the physicians should be paid for and arranged by the league, and should operate in teams of physicians available on a rotating basis to organizations.
I haven’t had dinner yet, and I already know what I think of this.
First thing is, it’s going to come out eventually that the Phillies performed an MRI on Knapp last month. I already have read one unconfirmed report on this, but beyond that, let’s just apply some common sense here. First, would the team physician really compromise the care of his patient, and the future value of an asset of potentially immense value, just on the off-chance that he might be traded? Why would the GM even be telling the trainer who’s on the block? Wouldn’t it be immensely dangerous, in terms of future liability, even to broach the topic of “maybe we don’t want too much information here,” even if only internally?
Second, if Knapp’s condition called for an MRI, why would the Indians or any club accept a player with arm soreness without some imaging to back it up? Remember, they get all the medical records for the player.
Third, no club wants to get a reputation for shipping off damaged goods in trades. It’s hard to imagine what could be more damaging to future trade prospects than even a whiff of suspicion as to whether a club had tried to pull a fast one in this regard.
If the Phillies did do an MRI, and I’d expect they did, then that imaging was available at the time of the trade since the Tribe asked for his “entire file” (according to Lastoria). Did the Indians doctors look at it? You would expect so, given that he was already injured. I’ll be interested in hearing what the Indians have to say but I’m still assuming he’s no worse off than when we traded for him and he’s being rested in prep for next season.
You know, if the Indians had received him and said, we’re going to leave him shut down until fall, I doubt anyone would have commented other than, “Yeah, 18-year-old pitchers, /shrug.” As far as I’m concerned, that’s all that happened here.
by fleerdon on Aug 30, 2009 2:07 AM EDT reply actions
Maybe. I guess I’d be more upset had I assigned any particular importance to an 18-year-old fireballer in the first place.
Yes but it is the Indians themselves that have “assigned particular importance to an 18-year-old fireballer”…
There is a great need for a sarcasm font
Or maybe that haven’t. Beyond public relations statements. Sure, there’s the Hafner scenario here, where the Indians checked him out, and thought it was sound.
Or maybe Knapp has been the throw-in all along, a broken prospect – closer to the current Adam Miller than even the current Trey Haley. I mean, a 18 year old with a sore shoulder. Maybe he should be ranked below crappy Jackson and old, far away Bryson, because he was far away and broken. We take on lottery tickets all the time, its no big deal, but we should probably stop saying that we got 4 prospects. It wasn’t an 18 year old fireballer, it was an 18 year old fireballer with a known bum shoulder.
by dgcambridge on Aug 30, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
An 18 year old fireballer with a known bum shoulder.
A will-o’-the-wisp. Five years before his injury nexus. There’s no way this is something minor or trivial.
Four years until the end of it. Generally speaking, it ends on the 23rd birthday, and Knapp turns 19 tomorrow.
Like I said, I can’t assign any particular importance to this one guy. I see him as one piece of a larger effort to acquire eight guys like this, in the hopes that just one of them can be an ace by 2014. It’s a war against attrition.
And yet Carrasco makes his big-league debut tonight.
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by Jay on Sep 1, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
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