Trade Deadline Review
by APV on Aug 3, 2009 12:00 AM EDT
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PrintThis has been a pretty dramatic week for the Cleveland Indians and a busy week for Let's Go Tribe. Over the past 7 days there have been nearly 15,000 comments (and counting) on the front page material alone. As a result, a number of great things have gotten a bit buried. Here are some handy links if you would like to go back and check out a few of the pieces you may have missed:
- Ryan's recaps of the Rafael Betancourt trade, Ryan Garko trade, and Cliff Lee/Ben Francisco trade
- Andrew's announcement of the Victor Martinez trade, and his thoughts on Victor
- Jay's reaction to the significance of trading Cliff Lee, and his subsequent piece on the end of the Victor era
It goes without saying that in each of these pieces and others there is a lot of great content from the LGT community as a whole. If you are new, check it out, join in, and welcome to LGT. For those who have been around longer, I think you'll agree that a week like this is a little easier amongst friends.
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Don’t know where else to put this so I’m replying to this post. I just got done watching Masterson’s debut from Saturday night and I’m feeling better about things now. He definitely tired and lost his command a little at around 40 pitches, but even so it was the most impressive non-Lee pitching performance I’ve seen this season by an Indians hurler. So, still depressed about Victor — no exaggeration, I literally felt sick to my stomach seeing him in a Red Sox uni on espn.com today — but starting to look forward to this incredible influx of pitching talent that we’re about to see.
Toregas actually looked pretty good too, that definitely surprised me. It suddenly dawned on me that we are absolutely stacked at C even without Vic.
Also! I don’t care what anybody around here thinks, I’m still totally gay for Brandon Inge.
They’ll be a full Masterson profile up at 2 today
by APV on Aug 3, 2009 7:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I couldn’t be sicker of Brandon Inge. Of course, Inge:Richmond Times-Dispatch::Garko:Cleveland.com
by FredOx on Aug 3, 2009 7:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh and thanks once again to all the site’s writers, incl. you APV. This site has been a sort of makeshift support group over the last 10 days or so, and sharing these unexpectedly deep and intense emotions with everybody here has made things easier to bear.
I forgot to tell my Cliff Lee story:
There are a lot of Phillies fans here and I work with what I thought was a strong baseball/Phillies fan. Right before Cliff was traded I said to him, “Man it looks like you guys might get Cliff from us.”
“Who? Oh yeah, your pitcher right? Is he any good?”
“Umm.. yeah, ya know, Cy Young award winner.. "
“Oh right, yeah thats cool.” And so then the trade went down and I didn’t see him until after Cliff tossed his first game for the Phils.
He comes up and says, “Oh my God, Cliff Lee was unbelievable last night!”
I replied, “No, it’s believable. In fact, it’s damn near normal. Enjoy.” And I walked away.
And that is my sad Cliff Lee story.
Here Lies the Victor Martinez Era:
Sept. 10, 2002 - July 31, 2009
Shouldn’t be. Most fans are oblivious to players on other teams, even good ones, and especially in the other league. My own dad — incredibly knowledgeable about all sports and especially baseball — had only a vague idea who Craig Biggio was and no idea that he was HOF caliber until the Bill James ranking controversy. Biggio is a far, far more significant player than Cliff Lee, and that random dude you talked to isn’t my dad.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Aug 3, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I pay next to no attention to players on other teams except when they’re playing the Tribe, but I at least have a sense of who the stars are, even on NL teams. If nothing else, the facts that Lee was a) the Cy Young winner, b) the All Star Game starter, and c) the subject of a ton of rumors involving the Phils before the trade actually happened, should mean that any half-way dedicated Phillies fan would be at least passingly familiar with him.
by Logodaedalus on Aug 4, 2009 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
When James’ epic classic New Historical Abstract was published in 2000 (?), there was a big buzz around the extensive player and position rankings — it includes profiles of the top 100 major leaguers at every position, and also a ranking of the Top 100 players, period, which notably fully includes Negro Leaguers as major leaguers. Other than that distinction, the biggest ruckus raised by the rankings was the ranking of Craig Biggio as the 35th best player of all time. James of course was right that Biggio was chronically underrated as the embodiment of 10 or 12 different ways to underrate a player, and his comparison of Biggio’s best seasons to Griffey’s best seasons is a true sabermetric classic. But eventually even James himself admitted that he got carried away, and that while Biggio did deserve a spot in the Top 100, he was not in the Top 50.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
Forgot to mention, the rankings were significant also because they heavily employed the Win Shares metric, which James introduced in this book.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
The NBJHBA is a book every baseball fan should own, whether they’re sabermetrically inclined or not. Just a fascinating read all the way through.
Bill James isn’t so much a baseball writer as a sort of rough-hewn philosopher (and flat out terrific writer) who can only explain his ideas through the prism of baseball.
You describe the old Bill James. Now that he works for the Red Sox, he’s a no-good rat fink.
by cleveland teamer on Aug 4, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Here’s THT’s take on the trades using the Guttridge-Wang Model. Spoiler: We killed it.
Applying the Guttridge-Wang trade model to this year’s deadline trades
I read that. What that model needs more than anything is error bars. It seems there is a lot of unvalued risk in their model.
by APV on Aug 3, 2009 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions
This doesn’t really belong here but it’s an article that proves that fielding percentage is maybe one of the most worthless mainstream stats.
Heh. I can’t believe this used to be a movie poster. Someone invested millions of dollars and picked this poster.
Heh. I can’t believe this used to be a movieposter. Someone invested millions of dollarsand picked this poster.
Fixed.
Usually, an incredible waste of pixels.
Is that really what matters?
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Aug 3, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, not normally, but since the ML team has sucked so badly, it’s nice to find something to be the best in.
by Logodaedalus on Aug 4, 2009 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Ned Colletti is on Jim Rome right now, and questioning led off with Halladay and Lee discussions. Colletti felt that they were close to getting a deal for Lee done, but at the last minute it “turned the other way” and the deal with Philly was completed.
He’d go on to say that they felt they offered Cleveland a pretty strong package of 3 prospects (i think he said “prospects” and not “players”), and were on a verge of adding a 4th that “they had asked for” when the Philly deal went down.
Rome asked him if he felt burned by that or if it was just the way business is done, and Colletti sounded genuine that it’s just part of the business and that he has much respect for the Indians front office say that they are very good at what they do and that they’re “honorable men over there”.
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