Get CC's 11 QS Here!
Kerry Wood might help a contender, but he has a 5.11 ERA in 37 innings and more than $13 million still owed to him on a two-year deal.
Agent P has been bothered by a wandering case of home run-itis. But he has 11 quality starts -- the same amount as CC Sabathia and John Danks -- and he's shown enough flashes to make you wonder why his ERA is 5.37. [EVER HEARD OF FIP?] The Tigers must have wondered after he dominated them with six hits over eight innings in an 11-1 Cleveland win Sunday.
Factor in Agent P's incentive bonuses, and he'll cost a team a little more than $1 million the rest of the way. At that price, he's unlikely to generate much interest. But he's out there for the taking.
Now, on to reading Andrew's Phifer Piece that certainly won't disappoint.
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Might help if Agent P wasn’t tied with Brian Tallet for the lead in a statistic I just made up: Awfully Scary Starts (ASS), defined as pitching 5 innings or less while giving up 8 runs or more.
honestly, if you hadn’t just told me i wouldn’t have guessed agent p was leading our team, much less the league, in ass.
Considering he has far and away the most starts of any Indians’ starter still on the roster…
You want a mind blow? Here’s the number of starts made by Indians pitchers:
Lee: 22
Pavano: 21
David Huff: 15
Fausto: 13
Sowers: 12
Reyes: 8
Laffey: 8
Ohka: 5
David Huff. Who had Huff pegged for the third most starts on the team by August? And who thought that number would be only 15?
What a terrible season.
And after we trade Master P, Huff finishes the season as the starts leader.
"It's all part of life's rich pageant, you know?" - Inspector Clouseau
Who said David Huff wasn’t going to become a #1 starter?
by Buckeye Brad on Aug 5, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like the idea of the ASS, but I would add a NUTAS (Not Useful To Anyone Start) as a start the number of runs allowed being equal or greater to (innings pitched -1). For instance, to me 6IP 5ER is worthy of an NUTAS. 6IP 4ER isn’t a great start, but not a NUTAS. Huff is 6 for 15 in NUTAS, Pavano is 7 for 21.
by supermarioelia on Aug 5, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve been working on a four-grade system for starts: Gem, Quality, Mediocre, Trainwreck.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
I think there needs to be a grade between mediocre and trainwreck. Feels like we’d be fitting too many bad but not quite trainwreck starts under the mediocre umbrella.
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
I’ll post some draft definitions soon, see if you still think it’s worth making a distinction between bad and God-awful.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Aug 6, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I think there needs to be one for a starter who is in the midst of a quality start, but gets left in too long and blows it in the 7th or 8th. Call it the Grady Little
How about when a guy Goes 7.2 and gives up 2 run and leaves with 2 men on and the manager brings Masa Kobayashi in to put out the fire? Can we call those Wedgies?
This is Victor's home. Victor Jose, you too.
In a sense. It’s kind of like the Carrasco start last night. Terrific throguh 7! Get excited! Then the 8th happened
Yeah, but I’m not sure where to draw that line, or if. We all blame the manager, but a lot of times the starter essentially dekes everyone by keeping his velocity and command up and then suddenly falling apart. I think he’s accountable for that as a general rule.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
How `bout two categories: Wins and Losses, and then you nerds can get out of the basement.
Steel Nick
How ‘bout two categories: Wins and Losses, and then you nerds can get out oftheyour mom’sbasement.
You will never get me to use Wins and Losses.
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LIGHTS!
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Aug 7, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The best TV shows call to mind the old cliche about sex and pizza, i.e., even when it’s bad, it’s still pretty good. TNG meets that standard. I’ve watched some of the other Trek series, and they have their moments, but they don’t come remotely close to meeting the sex and pizza standard the way that TNG did. TNG towers over the rest of the franchise, both critically and commercially.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Aug 7, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Your judgments mean nothing to me. An artist creates his own moral universe.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
I know. It just doesn’t matter. I may be a nerd in some respect or another based on some other person’s definition, but that means nothing to me, because I don’t answer to any group. I’m into what I’m into, and those things are the coolest things in the world. Period.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Aug 8, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
It took me a long time to figure out what the title of this thing meant. I read the article and everything. It still took me days.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
You’ve got it now right? Basically westie is implying that Pavano and his 11 quality starts (same number as CC and Danks) is available for the taking for only about a cool million. Contenders looking for that pitching boost should apply immediately.
-Erik
Yeah I got it now. I just didn’t understand the “get it here!” part. For no real reason other than having a prolonged blonde moment.
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Oh, right, right … you’re pretending to be blonde. Almost forgot.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Aug 6, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
You know at this rate if anyone of you actually met me you would not believe it was me. You’d be looking for a 57 year old fat (made this up) man who is probably balding and you would get a 20 year old blonde girl wearing orange if it’s a Friday and would be incredibly confused.
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Me thinks there is a little too much of the “I’m a girl that goes to Clemson” going on. "She’ doesn’t even know any of the stupid jokes about Clemson.
-Erik
I’m telling you they don’t tell us these things. They tell us jokes about Gamecocks. Maybe those were actively told a long time ago but not so much now. Also I don’t know a lot of people from South carolina let alone many Gamecock fans so I don’t hear these jokes. I know one USC fan and he isn’t very into sports and things so none of that happened.
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Cox Plaza is right outside the Union and Tillman Hall. There is a statue of Walter Cox on one of the benches in Cox Plaza. Cox Plaza is also where they have the service fair and Study Abroad Fair (or at least last year).
Walter T. Cox was a president of the University. He also a section of Highway 93 named after him. He played football and coached football and baseball. He died in 2006.
Here is the aforementioned statue in last year’s snowstorm. I took this picture myself.
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I think you passed Walter Cox 101.
I wish I could say snowstorm singularly.
This is Victor's home. Victor Jose, you too.
It was so much fun! School was cancelled for two days for like 2 inches of snow and everyone ran around outside throwing snowballs and sledding and all sorts of things.
I love snow. I really should have gone somewhere north but I guess I’ll just have to live in the north.
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I worked with Frank Cox – Walter’s son. You’re right, Walter Cox played football at Clemson sometime around WWII and later coached the O-Line. He worked his way up to AD and – God knows the logic here – was charged with integrating Clemson. That’s right, Clemson was a segregated school up until the mid-60’s. He was so successful at that he was made Dean of Students then President then appointed to the Board of Regents.
As far as I know, he’s the only president of a major university – and I’m being generous here – to have come up through the Athletic Department.
In a few months you – but more likely the Bogalusa Bomber – may come to know another FoC – Greg Frank. Let me know when you hear that name.
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
What do you mean you’re being generous? Top 22 research university is not a major enough university for you?
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It’s only in the top 25 if you include the Ag dollars.
Remember, I’ve worked with a lot of Clemson grads – not much to brag about here.
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
They have a lot of silver dollars?
by Logodaedalus on Aug 8, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Then you’ve worked with the bad ones. People here are smart. It’s a great school no matter what you say.
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Anybody from St. Louis that passes on going to Washington University to pay more money to go to a farm school like Clemson, doesn’t know what a good school – let alone a great school – is.
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
1) I didn’t apply to WashU. It’s 15 minutes from my house, I wanted out.
2) I am not paying more to go to Clemson thatn WashU, are you aware that WashU costs like 45,000 a year?
3) I have in-state.
4) Honors College.
5) I wanted other things in a school that lots of private schools couldn’t give me.
6) It was the cheapest option besides like Mizzou and Missouri State.
7) It’s a much better school now than it was even 10 years ago. Those alumni you’re working with weren’t going to Clemson now.
Saying that I don’t know what a good school is for not going to WashU is pretty presumptuous of you. Did I say WashU is a bad school? Did I say Clemson is better than WashU? No. I acknowledge that I could have gone to much better schools like Vanderbilt, Hendrix, even some schools I didn’t apply to, but I chose Clemson because that’s where I fit in best and because I liked it best.
I really can’t get over you thinking anyone going to WashU is paying less than people going to Cemson.
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by ClemsonGirl on Aug 8, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Clemson:
Tuition, out-of-state: $12,694 per semester.
Meal plan: $1495 per semester – same reference
Housing range: $3,460 to $5,900 per academic year. Take the average and call it $4,200
Throw in $1,500 per year average/yr travel back and forth from civilization to South Carolina.
Total $34k
Washington University
Yer gonna live at home – tough
Tuition: $38k + $4k for incidentals, bus fare, lunch parking, etc.
Total $42k per year – kinda off that $45k tuition number but then, ya got me. But when the smoke cleared you’d have a real education. It’d be worth the extra $32k.
But then you’d hafta be at home, and wouldn’t have that – oh I dunno – Southern education experience – cotillions, milk punch socials, balls, Home Coming bonfires and whatnot. I’d rather have the sheepskin for Wash U.
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
I dunno, I guess it sounds kinda mean. But she stepped into my wheel house. Like I said, Walter Cox was a giant – a giant. His kid Frank is a little weasel. Plus I know the guy who’s in charge of the SCRA – another doofus. Couple that with the fact that the head of Medical Education at Wash U is one of my closest friends. That and I know about five guys who did their residency at Barnes.
All I can say is, if my kid ever choses some southern A&M school over a real learning institution like Wash or Carnegie Melon, or RPI he’s on his own for tuition.
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
It is mean. How would you like it if I basically told you your alma mater was stupid and a horrible school. You wouldn’t like it. Every place has there fair share of idiots, I know idiots who go to WashU. So not much to brag about? This is SSS to the extreme.
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And, oh yeah, I know quite alot about the relative merits of the research programs at both Wash and Clemson. There’s no comparison – the boyz at WU are doin’ real work, the “students” at Clemson are tryin’ to figure out how to clean up hog manure ponds.
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
Here’s another thing. I was planning on being an Elementary School teacher. That major doesn’t even exist at WashU, at least not when I looked. Also money was a huge issue since paying off student loans in a timely manner was not going to be an option for me. If money was no issue I would have been at Vanderbilt without a doubt.
Also I would never, ever, ever say Clemson is a better school than WashU. They aren’t even in the same league. It’s unfair to compare them. Among public research universities Clemson is pretty good.
And I’m sorry you don’t feel for your alma mater what I will feel for mine when I graduate. That’s why I didn’t go to Mizzou because I knew I’d always feel like I just settled. I wanted to stay affordable but not to the point that I didn’t get everything I could have out of college.
I’m not even in research majors so I don’t know anything or care at all about what kind of research people are doing.
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For a minute I forgot that I was talking to a teenager. Sorry, but in my own crotchety way I’m trying to tell you that you can shoot higher.
I get the money thing. Without belaboring the issue I’ll just tell you that I had no parental support when I started college, cuz when I started school my folks were gone. But here’s the point: you can go to any school, any school you can get into. You can always find a way to make it work. And don’t sweat the debt, the difference in income will off-set the money you’ll borrow.
True fact: it cost me less money out of pocket to go to CWRU than it would have cost to go to Cleveland State. That’s a fact.
Any way, I hope you get the kind of education that you want at Clemson.
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
I just don’t agree with you. I think anyone can to any school they want and if they try hard enough they will get a fabulous education.
I LOVE Clemson. There is so much more to choosing a school than academics. I know that it’s school so you want it to be good and all of that but Clemson has changed me and I think for the better. I don’t know if other schools wuld have changed me but no one from my high school went to Clemson, no one I knew went to Clemson, it was something that was going to force me to make new friends and meet new people. I wouldn’t have anyone to cling to at Clemson. That was a major selling point. All of the other schools I looked at someone I knew I went there or I just didn’t fit in at the school. Or they were St. Bonaventure which came off as a party school where no one really did any learning at all.
I’m in the Honors College so I take at least one honors class a semester. I’m an overacheiver so I do more than I have to to get by in other classes. I plan on studying abroad and doind tthousands (exaggeration) of internships. The resources are all here, does every student use them? No. But the ones that do are going to get a very, very good education and that will show through when they graduate.
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There is so much more to choosing a school than academics
No there isn’t. You gain an education, you purchase a degree.
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
Except when you’re going to get comparable degrees there is. I didn’t want to go to an Ivy League school or similar. They didn’t have what I was looking for and I wouldn’t have enjoyed myself and therefore probably would have done very well.
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Not sure what you really mean, but trust me, people at Ivy League schools enjoy themselves just fine. Every bit as drunk, just not quite as stupid.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Aug 9, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t have enjoyed myself. They can enjoy themselves all they want but I wouldn’t have.
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It’s fascinating how you think you know things that you seem to know nothing about. You’re like the Dennis Nosco of colleges.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Aug 9, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re saying I don’t know where I would enjoy myself? I think I know. I know that they have fun but I wouldn’t. I wouldn’t fit in. I think I know that better than you.
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No doubt you know yourself significantly, while I barely know you. But what do you know about those schools and what the people there do?
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Aug 9, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
The whole vocabulary of this digression is foreign to me. Enjoy yourself? Are you nuts? This is an investment of something north of $160k and we’re talking about whether you’ll be amused or not? Any time I spend something in the six-figure range – not counting alimony of course – oneada things I gotta ask is, "what’s my projected ROI on this deal?" I don’t think I ever factored enjoyment into the analysis.
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
College is for getting hammered among people you like. You didn’t get the memo?
Your tax dollars at work.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Aug 9, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
See, that’s where I screwed up. I enjoyed drinkin’ with my construction buddies. Those CWRU kids were a bunch of light weights.
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
Maybe I’ll tell my kid that if he wants me to foot the bill for college. “Tell you what, Sam, I’ll give you 500 bucks a month, you can get hammered with your friends right here.”
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Aug 9, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
There are so many colleges out there that some of them really are all gut decisions made based on websites and people I know who went there. Those may not be the best sources of information on what school is really like but other things that we aren’t allowed to discuss on this site did influence how I felt I would fit in. And probably the biggest deterent was the lack of an elementary education major at any of those schools. The closest thing was an eduction major/minor (I don’t remember which) at Harvard and maybe Princeton. I wanted strictly elementary so the schools didn’t fit my needs.
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Ah, all of that does makes sense.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Aug 9, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know, old man. One of my siblings went to WashU – and ended up like U of Arizona (grad school) a lot better. The individual controls his or her destiny, dont’chaknow.
And there is a study out there that tracked students from high school class of ’77 by SAT scores. Turns out, the life-time earnings difference between a student who scored a 1400 and went to Yale and a student who scored a 1400 and went to, say Tulane, was negligible. Your SAT score – as crude as it is – is a better predictor of career earnings than your institution. Kinda like BMI, remember that talk?
Where you went to college will only really matter tyou’re first job. Even then it may not have that big of an effect.
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With all due respect, you don’t have nearly enough information or experience to make that kind of a proclamation. I’m 39, and the connections I made in college continue to play a role as my career evolves.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
That’s what they told us in high school.
I menat like on your application, like they don’t say oh this person went to Harvard after your first job, they go by what former employers and connections say. Obviously connections are still going to be helpful.
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Then they lied to us in high school to make us not freak out about college so much. They always told us it doesn’t affect you too much.
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It’s not as important as who you are and how you present yourself, but it does matter.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Aug 9, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Just do what I did, and go to graduate school. 15 years later, people still care what my law school was, but no one cares a bit that I passed on WashU to go to KU and Akron.
Another difference between Medicine and Law. Where you went to undergrad greatly effects your chances of getting into Medical School, where you go to Medical School greatly effects which – and type – of residency program accepts you. Where you did your residency effects where you can gain admission privledges. It all starts with where you get your BS.
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
A high enough LSAT and undergrad GPA can make a big difference. But it can’t cure all – I didn’t get into every school I applied to. And certainly my degree (from William & Mary) won’t get me anywhere. It’s a Top 20 school, but I’d never get an interview at a big Manhattan law firm. Then again, I’m a regulatory lawyer and wouldn’t work in a big law firm if you threatened grave bodily harm. Still don’t regret passing on WashU for undergrad or UVa/Case for law.
Well Fred, you graduate middle of your class at Wright State and it’s either OB/Gyn, or Peds, or Family medicine for you. Graduate top of your class at Case, you got a shot at a Orthopedic – Orthopaedic for Mario – residency at Riverside/Cleveland Metro. $500k a year but not real money. You graduate top of your class at Vandy and you’re off to Stanford to learn howta do hip replacements – a veritable license to steal. ML average money for the rest of your natural life plus no night calls. Perfect!
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Oberlin has the drag ball….
(Yeah, I know that’s not what you meant)
by Logodaedalus on Aug 8, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Oberlin seems like a great place to go to school. I very nearly did (ended up my second choice), and my sister did. Certain kinds of people probably wouldn’t like it at all, but that’s true of a lot of places.
True for all of the above, Logo, and I’d add that it was a great place to grow up. But, as my parents (and many of their friends) taught there, I elected to go elsewhere.
Bet it was nice to get your balls back when you left, eh?
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Aug 11, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Chuck, I went to Carnegie Mellon. Some would say it’s a good, or great school.
Right now, in my universe (I’m 37), it’s completely irrelevant where I went.
Usually, an incredible waste of pixels.
I’m willing to accept Chuck’s premise that Medicine is Different. It’s not true for most professions, and it’s certainly not true for Elementary Education. I’m 40, and the last employer who cared where my undergraduate degree was from was more than a decade ago (and that only because we shared an alma mater and Indians fandom in Lancaster County, PA). Heck, it’s been a long time since anyone cared where my graduate degree was from.
Plus, if you’d gone to WashU, you’d have had to have a different userID, and we wouldn’t recognize you.
by Logodaedalus on Aug 8, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
My favorite Boyz II Men song.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Aug 9, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I took this picture of myself.
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by Logodaedalus on Aug 8, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Feh, not even a teenager anymore, nobody cares.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Aug 6, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Still a teenager now, I’m just assuming none of you will be rushing to meet me within like 3 weeks.
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Well, definitely not afterwards.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Aug 6, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
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