LGFT - Restoring the Rosters

Here's a fun exercise where a guy takes a look (and ranks) every team based on players they have drafted.

Indians rank 13th overall. We get hurt by our lack of starting pitching. Direct link here.

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let's trade

Tim Lincecum
Matt Cain
Francisco Liriano
Jonathan Sanchez
Noah Lowry

Dodgers, Rockies, Giants, Padres and Diamondbacks. Oh my!

by westbrook on Sep 10, 2009 1:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Defeats the purpose of the experiment, doesn’t it?

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Sep 10, 2009 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

At least we drafted Lincecum first

by APV on Sep 10, 2009 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It would be interesting and extremely tedious for the researcher to see rosters based on the team that first drafted a player even if he didn’t sign. LaPorta to the Cubs.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Sep 10, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i have collapsed this comment.

by emil minty on Sep 10, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Analysis is based not on those drafted, but those signed. Tribe didn’t draft Victor, Fausto, Jhonny, Bartolo or Rafael.

However if the undrafted are plucked out, the analysis reveals an alarming lack of major league first tier players that have been drafted by the Shapiro regime. Since 2001…not a single star. Not one. At least he’s been able to regurgitate CC, Victor, Blake, Broussard and others into next generation talent (a great skill!). But he really needs to re-think draft strategy, taking a shot at more high ceiling candidates, and fewer foot soldiers to fill out the system. Maybe he’s changed his tune in the last couple of drafts, but this is not a good sign for a club that needs a competitive advantage in scouting, drafting and signing top, controllable talent. In the end, who cares if the farm system is winning games? It’s the stars who can play MLB baseball at the top levels, at least enough of them, which will win championships. The results are rather frightening, even if we give him a mulligan on Adam Miller.

by Bogalusa Bomber on Sep 10, 2009 3:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

But he really needs to re-think draft strategy, taking a shot at more high ceiling candidates, and fewer foot soldiers to fill out the system.

For the 11 millionth time … there is no factual basis for this claim. Once you start actually looking at the data, it falls apart completely.

by Jay on Sep 10, 2009 7:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Jay, that’s harsh. I’m open minded, but I missed that analysis. I’m happy to look at the data that was presented.

by Bogalusa Bomber on Sep 10, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry, Boga, but this actually has been discussed to death here. I don’t know how you missed the 30 to 40 other discussions, but don’t expect me to be friendly about a rehash.

For that matter, you’re the one making an accusation, let’s see your data.

by Jay on Sep 10, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don’t want to rehash an old argument if can’t add anything new, so if there are some old threads, I’ll look at them.

by Bogalusa Bomber on Sep 10, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The proof is in the pudding. We’ve drafted one person, CC Sabathia, who’s become a star. If a record company or movie company or a publisher doesn’t sign winning talent that sells, he’s not found high performers, no matter how much he claims to have found great talents. You should know that that is how works. This isn’t about filling out a company or a law firm or a faculty, it’s about finding and signing potential genius talents.

by Bogalusa Bomber on Sep 10, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

There are a ton of reasons other than draft strategy that could result in our not having seen these guys at the top level. Maybe they were all destined to be studs, but then injury luck, poor developmental decisions, bad coaching, family issues, a run-in with the law, et cetera derailed them. There is more than one ingredient in the pudding.

Everybody should get ice cream every day.

by junkballer on Sep 10, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Will grant you that, but after twelve years and drafting what, 500 players, we’ve got one star out of it? We do have some bad luck, that’s for sure.

by Bogalusa Bomber on Sep 10, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

But if a record company is able to trade away its fading talent in return for a young Carlos Santana, then that company can still sell Santana’s music, even if that company didn’t originally sign him.

I'm not really into Song of Hiawatha.

by sarcasmdave on Sep 11, 2009 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

In the meantime, Detroit has drafted Justin Verlander, Rick Porcello, Curtis Granderson, Brandon Inge, Cameron Maybin, Joel Zumaya, and Andrew Miller.

by Bogalusa Bomber on Sep 10, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

search posts and comments GO

by Brick. on Sep 10, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You’re seriously trying to make another draft discussion.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Sep 10, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

by APV on Sep 10, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

I would like to discuss drafts. I had a bunch of Dogfish Head at the beach over Labor Day.

by FredOx on Sep 10, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I had Sam Adams Red Brick in Boston a few weeks ago.

The once and future

by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Sep 10, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’ve been back on the Sierra Nevada train lately

by APV on Sep 10, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I promised Victor Martinez I would never have another Sam Adams after he was traded.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Sep 10, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

So I made a very big mistake today. I accidently clicked on the Red Sox Blog and the second story was titled The Ballad of Victor Martinez. There was a picture of Victor talk to Buccholz (or however that’s spelled). I almost cried.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Sep 10, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I read that. Didn’t take them long to figure it out.

by Roger Dorn on Sep 11, 2009 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Like cleveland.com comments, this is something I’m positive I’ll never read.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Sep 11, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Indians haven’t had good results from drafts recently? What an original complaint.

by FredOx on Sep 10, 2009 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oldie but a goodie.

by Bogalusa Bomber on Sep 10, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Come on man, you’re not new here. Have you really missed the ten billion times this comment has been made?

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Sep 10, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I missed it. What was the upshot on the solution then from the gallery?

by Bogalusa Bomber on Sep 10, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

No offense, but one more comment I add to the conversation is too many.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Sep 10, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Since nobody has given you a straight answer:

Essentially, there is little to no evidence that the Indians have avoided “high-upside” players in favor of “organizational foot soldiers.” We are in agreement that the Indians have not produced good players from the draft, but there’s no particular reason to think that the draft strategy is the problem, or that we even have a concrete grasp of what the “draft strategy” is.

In addition, the Indians have a new set of people working on the draft these days, and may in fact have an entirely different drafting strategy from the start of the Shapiro regime. So while we all hope that our draft results improve — and indeed, it’s possible that they have already improved in the last couple of years — the argument that we are faring poorly because we are avoiding “high-upside” guys is overplayed and doesn’t have much basis in reality.

by Chemo on Sep 10, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I never tire of this conversation!

by Joe. on Sep 10, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Iwamura was on Tampa’s, though.

Dodgers, Rockies, Giants, Padres and Diamondbacks. Oh my!

by westbrook on Sep 10, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I knew he was gonna be on here, and it still made me sad

The outfield defense would be absolutely phenomenal. Gutierrez might well be the game’s best center fielder right now, and Victorino and Kemp both rate in the top 10 or so.

Dodgers, Rockies, Giants, Padres and Diamondbacks. Oh my!

by westbrook on Sep 10, 2009 12:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Yea, but it’s just a snapshot in time. There is nothing preventing Franky G from becoming the 700 OPS guy we grew to love (and be frustrated with) in the next few years.

by Toxicadam on Sep 10, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs