Game 152: Tigers 11, Indians 3

by Ryan on Sep 23, 2009 10:49 PM EDT in Game Recaps Comment 43 comments

Justin Masterson only lasted four innings.

If my math is correct, the Indians just have to win two more games to avoid ending the season with 100 losses. Even as bad as they've been playing, they should avoid that, with six upcoming games against teams tanking about as badly as the Indians. But it's almost certain that they'll blow by the 94-loss 2003 team, which means that you have to go back to 1991 to come across an Indians club with a worse record.

Unfortunately, I'd take the 1991 rotation over this one. That team had a 24-year-old Charles Nagy and a 26-year-old Greg Swindell heading it, while this is one, as currently constituted, has Aaron Laffey and a bunch of projects. Justin Masterson, a pitcher who was supposed to contribute right away, hasn't adjusted to full-time starting. Tonight, against a lineup that can to pitched to, he got rocked for six runs in 4+ innings. Yes, two of those runs were unearned because of an Andy Marte throwing error, but I'm just not seeing any improvement in his location or adjustments to past failures. I think he's actually gotten worse since he got here.

The offense got shut down yet again. What else is new. Jhonny Peralta is again in the midst of a exasperating slump, hitting .182/.250/.234 in the month of September.

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via www.fangraphs.com

Highest WPA		Lowest WPA
Jamey Carroll	.059	Justin Masterson	-.408
Andy Marte	.021	Luis Valbuena	-.064
Shin-Soo Choo	.017	Lou Marson	-.039

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Yes, two of those runs were unearned because of an Any Marte throwing error

I found this pretty amusing, but its most likely a typo. :)

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Force quit and move to trash.

by vbc3 on Sep 23, 2009 10:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Yeah. It’s been fixed. I gotta work in a ‘suck’ typo before the year is out, though.

by Ryan on Sep 23, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You know, Any Marte will do.

"You just gotta roll with the ounches." - Clemson58YearOldMan

by emd2k3 on Sep 24, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Does this team have a stopper? We’ve been through the rotation almost twice on this losing streak. Concede tomorrow’s game against the Tigers and go all out against the Orioles.

by palcal on Sep 23, 2009 11:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Does this team have a stopper?

seriously?

Captain of the SS [DO NOT TRADE] CHOO

by westbrook on Sep 23, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Aaron Laffey
Jeremy Sowers
David Huff
Justin Masterson
Carlos Carrasco

Can’t you answer that question on your own?

by JRontherim on Sep 23, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

this is getting hard to watch.

Fan in Texas

by fanintexas on Sep 23, 2009 11:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

kudos to you for still watching. I haven’t watched a baseball game this month.

by mrich on Sep 24, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think it’s safe to conclude that Jhonny sucks.

by odradek on Sep 23, 2009 11:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Sadly, as the Jhonny apologist, I agree.

by Roger Dorn on Sep 24, 2009 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

This is kinda like the ‘08 economy, or maybe the dot.com market. Just when you’re sure it can’t get any worse – it does.

Resident LGT results-oriented boob.

by mauichuck on Sep 24, 2009 2:03 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs

and this team’s option ARM hasn’t reset yet

by APV on Sep 24, 2009 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

and they’re underwater

by Jay on Sep 24, 2009 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

and they’re short puts on lehman bros

by mrich on Sep 24, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

good one

by Jay on Sep 24, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I feel partially responsible for being absent most of this two-week stretch.

Chuck, about that 20 games out bet for 2010..

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Sep 24, 2009 7:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I think he’s actually gotten worse since he got here.

Pure frustration, when I say, this seems too much like a reoccurring theme with our management/coaching staff.

by MooneysRebellion on Sep 24, 2009 8:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Hoynes:

He’s 1-6 with a 5.21 ERA in 10 appearances, including nine starts, since joining the Indians from Boston on July 31 in the Victor Martinez trade. In his last two starts, Masterson has allowed 13 runs and 13 hits in eight innings.

by odradek on Sep 24, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

while this is one, as currently constituted, has ~~Aaron Laffey and~~ a bunch of ~~projects~~stiffs.

fixed.

by lenred on Sep 24, 2009 8:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I turned it on long enough to see Trevor Crowe butcher a play in CF and allow 2 runs to score. That was enough for me.

by Toxicadam on Sep 24, 2009 9:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Crowe’s D has been underwhelming considering he needs to be hanging his hat on that.

by Roger Dorn on Sep 24, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

that was my thought too.

Captain of the SS [DO NOT TRADE] CHOO

by westbrook on Sep 24, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Am I naive to think a new managerial approach may help the likes of Jhonny Peralta?

"You just gotta roll with the ounches." - Clemson58YearOldMan

by emd2k3 on Sep 24, 2009 11:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

every day, he is the same.

by Brick. on Sep 24, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

A yeoman’s work Ryan, writing these reviews

by hans on Sep 24, 2009 12:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

you know what’s worse than watching this game? watching it on STO replay.

by lenred on Sep 24, 2009 12:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Jhonny Peralta is again in the midst of a an exasperating ~~slump~~ season

by JulioBernazard on Sep 24, 2009 12:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

yup…just seems like mediocrity should cost the Indians less than his salary for next season.

by MooneysRebellion on Sep 24, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

wow, Jhonny has went from a plus player at SS to a dud at 3rd

Fan in Texas

by fanintexas on Sep 24, 2009 2:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

we’re rooting for Baltimore, right?

They
60-92

We
61-90

by Brick. on Sep 24, 2009 2:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Bryce Harper time.

by Roger Dorn on Sep 24, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think we can realistically lose at least 5 out of our next 7 games. Baltimore needs to get something going, though. Matusz being shut down hurts us.

In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).

by V-Mart Shopper on Sep 24, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Baltimore can’t be trusted to win any games at all. Unless we let them sweep us, they’re going to finish behind us or at worst tied. I think we’re really just battling it out with the Royals for the #4 and #5 picks.

by Jay on Sep 24, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Unless we let them sweep us

That series is going to look like a Clippers-Wizards game in May

by APV on Sep 24, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

and possibly higher scoring.

by Jay on Sep 24, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh, and we can easily get swept by Boston to close out the year. So that gives us about 9 more losses, maybe 2 wins.

In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).

by V-Mart Shopper on Sep 24, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Didn’t Mel Hall just get sentenced for molestation charges of a minor?

by hans on Sep 24, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Are you serious? Is it possible to change my screenname? What the hel…

In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).

by V-Mart Shopper on Sep 24, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Can we do a reverse game thread? Where we actively cheer all the bad things that happen to us?

by Toxicadam on Sep 24, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I would probably show up for that. But not tonight. I am actually going to the game.

by bewwolv on Sep 24, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Kerry Wood games finished update: 46. Meaning the option won’t vest this year.

I think Wood on a 1 year/10 million deal, which is what next year essentially is, makes him tradeable. I would not be surprised to see him shipped out this offseason.

by Roger Dorn on Sep 24, 2009 4:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

You’re forgetting that the option can still vest late next season.

Having said that, that isn’t such a deterrent. If the option vests, it means that you’ve had a pretty effective Kerry Wood for one season and now have to pay him $10 million for another season. That’s not so bad.

by Jay on Sep 24, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

My feeling was that he could go to a team with an established closer virtually eliminating the possibility of the option vesting. That would be an expensive set-up man, though, but I know of a few teams that could afford it on a one year deal.

by Roger Dorn on Sep 25, 2009 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs