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I mean by a mile. Imagine every bad column by Sheldon or Livingston or whomever. Those become Pulitzer-worthy compared to this.

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Wow.

Il faut d'abord durer.

by CU Adam on Sep 9, 2009 4:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Congratulations, Jaycee. You left the yard.

Holy googily moogily.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Sep 9, 2009 4:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That was the line that made me think he might need to be arrested.

by tabler84 on Sep 9, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That just killed it for me. Take a terribly awful premise and use it as pretty much all a big set up for that joke.

by painaxl on Sep 10, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This guy, I think we can all agree, deserves the title of jackass.

by fwembt on Sep 9, 2009 4:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

inappropriate One entry found.

    * Main Entry: in·ap·pro·pri·ate
    * Pronunciation: \ˌi-nə-ˈprō-prē-ət\
    * Function: adjective

: not appropriate : unsuitable – see picture below

— in·ap·pro·pri·ate·ly adverb

— in·ap·pro·pri·ate·ness noun


Mark Whicker
Columnist
The Orange County Register

by stuart dean on Sep 9, 2009 4:33 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Not the correct way to go about this at all. In fact, leave the poor woman out of any article. Leave her alone, don’t write about her, and let her adjust completely away from any media outlet.

by MooneysRebellion on Sep 9, 2009 4:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Tabler, I’ve dogged you in the past for your cleveland.com crusades, but I officially revoke any criticism. This is literally the worst piece of journalism I’ve ever seen in my life.

I’m trying to put myself in his head. He was probably thinking to himself one day, “lol, Magic Johnson is a billionaire and AIDS doesn’t even bother him. Barry Bonds took steroids. Damn, how time flies! Looking back can be so crazy! I feel that, upon reflection, my feelings and thoughts toward events that took place in the past have changed significantly as I, myself, have changed. Boy oh boy! I’m going to write a piece recapping things near-and-dear to me: sports and my own personal journey through time and history, recalling the actions of other strange men. But how can I pitch this piece? I know, framed narrative! See, we have this…this woman, and she’s in…a time capsule of sorts! Her unimaginable ignorance about current events in the last 18 years mimics the naivete of my youth! I’ve got it! I’ve got it!”

by joeee on Sep 9, 2009 4:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Even that explanation might be generous. And it had to pass an editor, too.

by tabler84 on Sep 9, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I honestly believe he wrote the column because he wanted to use that last line. He thought to himself, “she left the yard” and used the rest of the piece as some sort of weird metaphor or comparison or whatever. Unreal.

by jefftribe on Sep 9, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No words.

by Ryan on Sep 9, 2009 5:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I actually feel bad for him more than anything. Something was lost along the way in his life that clearly left him without a sense of what good taste is.

by Roger Dorn on Sep 9, 2009 5:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This is a pretty good observation.

by tabler84 on Sep 9, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nah this far exceeds poor taste. We’re in mental disorder territory right now. My only question is does this this guy actually have editors who read this before it went to print?

by Joe. on Sep 9, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think decorum is this guy’s biggest problem. Nobody ever just hauled off and punched him in the face after some jackass thought came flying out of his mouth, because society in general is too polite.

by danvail on Sep 10, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

Dodgers, Rockies, Giants, Padres and Diamondbacks. Oh my!

by westbrook on Sep 9, 2009 5:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I literally can think of nothing to say.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Sep 9, 2009 5:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Servite is the origination of Ryen Frangarkster, right?

Dodgers, Rockies, Giants, Padres and Diamondbacks. Oh my!

by westbrook on Sep 9, 2009 5:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I saw this elsewhere today and yeah, it is a doozy. One can only hope that writing something like this gets you fired. And not just fired, but out of the profession altogether.

by APV on Sep 9, 2009 5:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A comment on ShysterBall

Greg Simons said…
I sent this e-mail to Mark Whicker:

Mark,

Wow. Just…wow!
"Now, that’s deprivation."
and
"Congratulations, Jaycee. You left the yard."
That’s possibly the most revolting article hook I’ve ever read. September 11 is only a couple days away. Are you going to do a tie-in with that, too?

—-
He replied thusly:

The revolting thing is that you would equate a column that celebrates the release of Jaycee Dugard, and tries to put the length of her 18-year
kidnapping in a context that everyone can understand, with a terrorist attack that killed 3,000 people. And then you draw a value judgment about me based on such a preposterous parallel.

Wow, indeed.

MW

by dgcambridge on Sep 9, 2009 5:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ok, I don’t feel bad for him anymore.

by Roger Dorn on Sep 9, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yea poor guy, now he has to start from scratch his theory on why the new Yankee Stadium had such mediocre attendance.

by c9kay32 on Sep 9, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Nothing in the article suggested he was celebrating Jaycee’s release.

by c9kay32 on Sep 9, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he was celebrating it as extraordinarily cheap and flimsy vehicle for a column.

by Jay on Sep 9, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

“Look at me. I’m clever.”

by kennesawmountainwahoo on Sep 9, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s more that it’s fits the mold of the writer who, not really understanding how a writing device functions, merely imitates the writing devices he’s seen other people use effectively. It’s kind of like Ed Wood.

by Jay on Sep 9, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please don’t tarnish Ed Wood’s reputation by comparing him to that jackass.

Wood, afterall, was the first to come up with “Dr. Acula.”

"You just gotta roll with the ounches." - Clemson58YearOldMan

by emd2k3 on Sep 13, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

tries to put the length of her 18-year kidnapping in a context that everyone can understand

how about… “it was 18 Years”.

no, he’s right placing it on a timeline with Barry Bonds, i totally get it now. 18 YEARS!

by Brick. on Sep 9, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Should this link be pulled so as not to give the dude any more traffic?

by JulioBernazard on Sep 9, 2009 6:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Too late, it’s far beyond this blog.

by dgcambridge on Sep 9, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it’s apparent the guy is getting traffic because of the disgust people have with it. My instinct says the decision makers at his publication will be aware of this.

by Roger Dorn on Sep 9, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The editors at his publication should study the mods on this site.

by kennesawmountainwahoo on Sep 9, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Olbermann is getting ready to hammer this guy on MSNBC.

by Jay on Sep 9, 2009 10:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Just watched this. I thoroughly enjoyed it.

by Joe. on Sep 9, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Too brief, but then, what really is there to say about it?

Named names on the editors.

by Jay on Sep 9, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love how Joe Wilson still beat him out for worst person in the world.

by Joe. on Sep 10, 2009 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well … it is what it is.

by Jay on Sep 10, 2009 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s fine stuff.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Sep 9, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The title is so ridiculous. 3rd grade level. I must admit, it makes me laugh.

by dgcambridge on Sep 9, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whicker naturally is shocked at the reaction … full story.

I am quite surprised by the angry tone of the reaction. Some have asked me why I didn’t make light of the 9/11 attack or the Holocaust while I was at it, ignoring the fact that this woman is alive. For 18 years the family didn’t know if she was or not. Obviously I mis-read the emotional component of this story because the reaction really has been quite extreme. I think the intent of the column was still valid. I could have changed some ways of expressing it to make it more palatable, I suppose.

by Jay on Sep 9, 2009 10:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ignoring the fact that this woman is alive

That is the most insensitive thing I have ever heard. Because she’s alive you get to joe about it. Frankly I would rather die than go through what she went through. This statement makes me more angry than the actual piece.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Sep 9, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And I realize now that what I just said may sound insensitive but I truly hope she can move on from this and be a better, stronger person and I am very happy she is alive but to suggest that what she went through doesn’t rival death is very insensitive and ignorant.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Sep 9, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We understand the point. I certainly do, at least. And I can understand why people would rather die than endure it. Either way, this columnist is beyond clueless.

by tabler84 on Sep 9, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I stand by my statement that this guy needs to be punched in the face, preferably by someone close to the girl.

by danvail on Sep 10, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whicker issues a rather lame apology which will appear on the front page of tomorrow’s sports section along with a few sample emails from angry readers. He obviously still doesn’t get why his column was so offensive.

by Buckeye Brad on Sep 9, 2009 10:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Also, a ShysterBall reader pointed out this piece of irony — one of the rules posted before you comment at the OC Register’s website is the following:

3. People who harass others or joke about tragedies will be blocked.

Maybe the author needs to read those rules.

by Buckeye Brad on Sep 9, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here’s the thing. That last line? I’m not even sure it was a joke. I think he may have been going for a cute and clever* line that would make as all smile at the end.

*note: was neither cute nor clever.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Sep 9, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was a f***ing sports pun. I’m getting madder just thinking about the grin on this loathsome ass’s face after he wrote that line.

by danvail on Sep 10, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Alternate ways / intro’s for a “look what’s happened in the past 18 years” piece:

“It’s been 18 years since my chin and neck were separate body parts. The last time I grew a goatee and it didn’t look like neck-beard the following still hadn’t happened in professional sports……”

or

“I had a sense of decency 18 years ago. At that time, I was still getting wedgies at the hands of the jocks I was writing about. Since that time, here’s what else has happened…”

Feel free to add your own.

by lenred on Sep 9, 2009 10:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

in case it wasn’t obvious, I found his article repugnant.

by lenred on Sep 9, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eighteen years ago, Mark Whicker’s Russian mail order bride was sucking on a bottle of Kroshka in a Nižnij Novgorod hospital…

by FredOx on Sep 9, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even putting aside the horrible judgment used here, the points he made about the past 18 years in sports were stupid and uninteresting. Just a complete and utter failure.

by Roger Dorn on Sep 9, 2009 11:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That’s the irony of it all. It’s a shitty, lazy column being propped up by a repugnant premise.

by Toxicadam on Sep 10, 2009 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

perfect summary of my feelings.

by Ryan Kelsey on Sep 10, 2009 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not enough editor bashing.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Sep 9, 2009 11:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed. Aside from the content of the article itself, I’m gobsmacked that someone decided it was okay to run it.

Everybody should get ice cream every day.

by junkballer on Sep 9, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He clearly doesn’t have editors. Either that or they red this and said, “Great piece Mark, could you do another one on Cory Lidle, 9/11, and R/C airplanes?”

This is a decision that should cost someone his job.

by fwembt on Sep 10, 2009 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You told me you weren’t going to be online tonight, you d-bag.

Also, wrong form of “red” there.

Everybody should get ice cream every day.

by junkballer on Sep 10, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking that form of red may have been intentional since he was discussing bad editors.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Sep 10, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really don’t like giving him the benefit of the doubt on anything.

Everybody should get ice cream every day.

by junkballer on Sep 10, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well he’s my newest Facebook friend so I feel obligated to be nice to him.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Sep 10, 2009 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Congratulations, you have now examined someone else’s writing in a manner more thorough than his editors.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Sep 10, 2009 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This made me laugh.

Everybody should get ice cream every day.

by junkballer on Sep 10, 2009 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Except it still needs editing.

by Chemo on Sep 10, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I was skipping words all over the place last night. I think I’m getting dumber.

by Jay on Sep 10, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Typo, not wrong form of the word, give me a break. I went to be right after this. My Tivo missed the end of the USA game and I was checking the score.

by fwembt on Sep 10, 2009 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wrong form of “be” there.

The once and future

by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Sep 10, 2009 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t understand that middle sentence.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Sep 10, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He went to be(d).

by FredOx on Sep 10, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, I’m all over the place. Atrocious typing on my part. Apologies to Jay, my brother and CG.

by fwembt on Sep 10, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I went to be on the corner. Then I went to be in my car.

by odradek on Sep 11, 2009 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True. I think an apology from the editor is an order as well. Unless of course they expect us to believe that Whicker somehow snuck this article into the paper without his editor’s knowledge which would alsow arrant a letter of apology from the editor and a notice of firing on Whicker’s desk tomorrow.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Sep 10, 2009 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Note: That notice should be on his desk regardless in my opinion.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Sep 10, 2009 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pretty sure you meant irregardless, amirite?

by FredOx on Sep 10, 2009 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I knew this would happen.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Sep 10, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Predictability increases commensurate with age. You’re young and enigmatic. I’m older and more predictable. My dad tells the same dumb joke every time hockey is mentioned.

by FredOx on Sep 10, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well? What are you waiting for?

The once and future

by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Sep 10, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The joke? He stole it from Rodney Dangerfield.

I went to a fight the other night, and a hockey game broke out.

by FredOx on Sep 10, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah, I know that one.

The once and future

by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Sep 10, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m working hard not to become that person, but it’s probably just pissing in the wind.

by Jay on Sep 10, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My biggest ally in this is my spouse, who keeps telling me to stop acting like an old man.

by FredOx on Sep 10, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A perfet 10 on the Insensitivity Meter.

Resident LGT results-oriented boob.

by mauichuck on Sep 10, 2009 12:15 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m so glad I could find something to agree with you about on your birthday. Happy 236th, Chuck!

Everybody should get ice cream every day.

by junkballer on Sep 10, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, well the AL Central is still the worst division in all of baseball – including the Texas League.

Resident LGT results-oriented boob.

by mauichuck on Sep 10, 2009 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chuck! That reminds me. Did you read the Posnanski piece in this week’s Sports Illustrated? It’s part of the Scorecard section and tells you why you are completely wrong here. I suggest checking it out.

by Roger Dorn on Sep 10, 2009 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good find, I tried searching for it this morning.

by Roger Dorn on Sep 10, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As one AL executive says, “The American League is substantially better than the National League. It isn’t anecdotal, and it isn’t debatable.”

by Roger Dorn on Sep 10, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let’s say that the American League is better than the Natioanl League, and I think that it is, it doesn’t necessarily mean that the AL Central isn’t the worst division in baseball.

by ClarkM on Sep 10, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As one AL executive says, "The American League is substantially better than the National League. It isn’t anecdotal, and it isn’t debatable."

by Roger Dorn on Sep 11, 2009 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s a debatable anecdote.

But not saying your point is wrong.

by Voltaire on Sep 11, 2009 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Debating it would be a matter of semantics only.

by Jay on Sep 11, 2009 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I caught that the first time around, but I don’t really see how that proves your point. From my view, the AL East props up the whole league and after that there isn’t a great difference between any of the other divisions in either league. You could argue that the AL West is the second best division and that the Indians are last, but still say that the AL is substantially better.

by ClarkM on Sep 11, 2009 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the article makes it clear that the talent as a whole is just clearly better. Posnanski uses specific anecdotes to highlight that fact like how the Royals, the worst team in the AL, have a winning record against the NL over a 3-4 year span. Additionally, the top National League teams all have losing records against the AL in that same tiem frame. While that could easily be a random variance, in the eyes of the majority of people actually associated with the game, the disparity is drastic.

The evidence of players switching leagues and performing is overwhelming.

by Roger Dorn on Sep 11, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But if the AL East is so great, then don’t you think the AL West and Central would look much better if they didn’t have to play them so much? If teams in the AL East win a bunch of games then that means other AL teams have to lose (most of) those games. Put those teams in the NL and they would look much better. As Roger said, look at the records of all the AL teams — even the bad ones — against their NL counterparts. And look at all the players who switch from the AL to the NL and see a sudden surge in performance. It can’t all be a coincidence.

by Buckeye Brad on Sep 11, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn’t take you long to ruin the feel-good vibe there bud.

Everybody should get ice cream every day.

by junkballer on Sep 10, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You two move fast.

by joeee on Sep 10, 2009 3:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Andrew Leonard points out, the newspaper continues to make more money due to the notoriety of the piece:

I’m betting Whicker’s column has a good chance to the most read thing he’s ever written in his two decades as a sports writer. And by my count, there are at least five different advertisements being served on the Web page containing the column. Which means that the O.C. Register is probably generating some revenue from the column’s notoriety. Whicker apologized for his column, but if the O.C. Register was feeling any real shame at all, it should strip all the ads off that page in perpetuity.

by Jay on Sep 10, 2009 1:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The people on the website are probably doing high fives for all the traffic this is generating.

by odradek on Sep 11, 2009 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I started reading the column, and didn’t immediatly recognize the name of the girl. When it became clear to me I felt sick. I now need a shower.

Nice work, douche!

by DuffBeer on Sep 10, 2009 3:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Turns out this type of writing isn’t a first for Whicker. This article from Poynter Online (which I found at ShysterBall) discusses a passage he had written almost two decades ago:

This isn’t the first time the columnist has penned something like this. In 1991 he followed up on journalist Terry Anderson’s release after being held captive in Lebanon for close to seven years by writing about all the sports news he had missed:

“Cleaning out the notebook while hoping Terry Anderson didn’t have overdue library books: How long was it? When Anderson was captured, Wally Joyner was in Triple-A. Michael Jordan was finishing his rookie year. Ted Tollner and USC were Rose Bowl champs. Doug Flutie was the reigning Heisman Trophy winner. Jennifer Capriati was 9. And Cal State Fullerton was coming off an 11-1 football season.

“Wow! That long? On the other hand, Jack Morris had pitched his team to the most recent World Series victory, and the Clippers were missing the playoffs. So it was only yesterday.”

Of course, all the outrage over his story is the internet’s fault:

Whicker said he didn’t get any feedback on the Anderson column, which was published long before the paper started posting stories online. He doubts this week’s column would have gotten as much attention were it not for the “speed and the enormity of the Internet.”

“I’m a little saddened by the tone of some of the responses because I think it says a lot about what’s out there in computer-land,” Whicker said. “I’ve had some e-mailers say, ‘Why don’t you write about 9/11 while you’re at it?’ Another person said, ‘Why don’t you write about the Holocaust next?’ I think that’s a really obscene thing to say.”

Whicker said that as of Tuesday night, he had received just one critical e-mail about his Dugard column. By Wednesday night, after people had tweeted and blogged about it, he had about 100 e-mails in his inbox.

I just love the use of the word “computer-land” — it’s like there aren’t thousands of real people upset about this article.

by Buckeye Brad on Sep 11, 2009 1:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

On a random note, I am proud to say I went to journalism school with the woman who wrote that excellent follow-up story.

by Chemo on Sep 11, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i love the use of the phrase “real people”…

by Brick. on Sep 11, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When I’m done riding this light-bike in Tron-land I am going to check with my real associates and see if they were just as upset as I was.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Sep 11, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

So Whicker obviously thought he had discovered a niche, as Mr. Guy Who Summarizes Sports Events for People Who Have Been Held Hostage.

by FredOx on Sep 11, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yippi-ki-yay rec

The once and future

by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Sep 11, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm, looks like there was a Neyer blog post on it, but now it’s gone.

by dgcambridge on Sep 11, 2009 3:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m going to speculate wildly and say it got yanked. It seemed to be going after the “lynch mob” mentality. I wanted to see it. Google Neyer and Whicker.

by dgcambridge on Sep 11, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Neyer should be glad it got yanked.

Let’s ask a key question, though: Was the subject of this column hurt in any way by it? Has she taken a few precious moments from her healing process to jump on the Internet and read a sports column from the Orange County Register?

by FredOx on Sep 11, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is that from Neyer’s response? I can only see his friend’s letter. Here’s a taste of his friend, but the actually letter is very long. I would like to see Neyer’s response.

It’s America at our self-aggrandizing, self-righteous, politically correct worst. I don’t know anything about this guy, but I’ll assume – because this isn’t only about Whicker – he’s like most middle-aged white guys. I’ll assume he has a a family that loves him and can’t understand the hatred being directed at him. He’s in a dying profession and I’ll assume he’s very well aware of it, is scared to death he’s going to be out of work soon, with no way to pay his mortgage , pay for groceries, or pay for health insurance for his wife and kids. I’ll assume he (like many of us) has few, if any, transferable skills, so that every day is a catastrophe just waiting to happen. His life, like many lives, is hard enough already without a posse of strangers trying to kick him to the curb for a lapse of taste. Again, this guy didn’t mean any harm.

By the way, I’m not still following this to gloat in Whicker’s demise, but it’s interesting to see how the reaction is carried through the media. It was 2 days later that the blogs slowly heated up, and then exploded, then his apology, then the editor’s (much better) apology, followed by articles in the traditional papers. And now an ESPN blog post, possibly with some backlash against the reaction, and it’s pulled.

by dgcambridge on Sep 11, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I had to paste that together, which is why there are some hiccups.

by dgcambridge on Sep 11, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

His friend being Keith Scherer, who has written for BP.

by dgcambridge on Sep 11, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Google cache of Neyer’s blog used to have the now-deleted column, and the bit I quoted was in it. Now it’s gone. There was some other stuff, in the “let he who is without sin cast the first stone” vein. Neyer concluded that it was a bad idea, poorly executed.

by FredOx on Sep 11, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here’s an article on Neyer’s post getting yanked. But really, I like to think that we broke the story. /sarc

by dgcambridge on Sep 12, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The column was in exceptionally poor taste. It was disgusting to most everyone who read it.

That was the misdeed, and as writing for the public is Whicker’s entire job, that’s enough.

by Jay on Sep 11, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As for Neyer, I’ve received two smug e-mails from him in the past, boldly declaring his right and privilege to write about anything he wants (no matter how dumb or uninteresting he is in the process). Looks like he found out that wasn’t the case today.

To be clear, I’m a big fan of Neyer’s work in general, but he always, always fumbles when he deigns to write about social issues, which he does with all the sophistication and thoughtfulness of the average 11-year-old.

by Jay on Sep 11, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you don’t want to re-hash those emails, then ignore this post, but I am guessing one of them was with regards to the Chief Wahoo debate sparked by Turk’s post on an alternate name for the Indians?

I actually have seen Neyer champion his blogroll in some of his ESPN.com chats, and noticed that LGT was one of the few SBN baseball blogs missing. The replacement Indians blog escapes me. I was wondering if there was some sort of animosity.

by Roger Dorn on Sep 11, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i bet neyer played soccer!

by Brick. on Sep 11, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There are actually 24 SBN baseball sites “missing” from his list, not “few.” He recently started linking to Steve Buffum’s “B-List” columns on Swerbs, which, no disrespect to Steve, speaks clearly as to his selectivity. For that matter, a couple of those SBN sites he lists aren’t exactly the crown jewels of the network.

I have noticed that LGT is not especially popular among hardcore stat folks, in part because (despite what some may think) we don’t really obsess over stats in our main-page content. We don’t presume to do big studies and don’t believe that we’re advancing the art of sabermetrics or whatever. We’re stats savvy but more focused on a broader fan experience.

Like Neyer, we don’t make a habit of worrying what other folks think of the site. It’s for Indians fans, not ESPN columnists. Whatever is keeping us off his blogroll, it doesn’t really concern me. We have corresponded privately a few times, but not recently, and I don’t think there’s any animosity between us.

by Jay on Sep 11, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Understood. When I said a few, I was really just looking for LGT to appear after he was bragging about the blogroll and then checked and saw it wasn’t there. Quickly glancing, I thought I saw what looked to be a handful of SBN blogs, but admittingly did not look that hard.

by Roger Dorn on Sep 11, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There are a handful — you just made me count them. There are eight on the list, but there are 34 SBN blogs about baseball alone.

by Jay on Sep 11, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do agree about the attitude toward stats, though, and prefer it that way.

by Roger Dorn on Sep 11, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

74.6% of LGT readers agree with you. Although corrected for age and position, that number jumps to 85.2%.

by APV on Sep 12, 2009 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I rec thee fine sir!

by talonk on Sep 14, 2009 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We’re stats savvy but more focused on a broader fan experience.

Pizza rolls, Glengarry Glen Ross and La Fin du Monde (9% AV).

by odradek on Sep 12, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He’s the Maureen Dowd of sports!

"You just gotta roll with the ounches." - Clemson58YearOldMan

by emd2k3 on Sep 13, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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