Pavano...told the St. Paul Pioneer Press in an e-mail that he believes McGwire belongs in the Hall of Fame: "I enjoyed watching him change the game," wrote Pavano, who now pitches for the Twins.
John Perrotto on the BP Midweek Update. Perrotto points out how Pavano (who surrendered no. 70) reacted differently than Trachsel (no. 62), who said McGwire shouldn't be in the Hall.
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If I had a HOF vote, I’d vote for Bonds, Arod, McGwire, Palmeiro and basically every other Hall worthy player that has admitted to steroid use or is suspected of taking something. It was part of the game and I see no reason to discount an entire era while condoning or ignoring other forms of “cheating” that have happened in the past.
Good to hear a player come out and say it. Even though he wasn’t terribly exciting with the Tribe, it seems we all have taken a liking to him in that short period.
I’d let those guys in the Hall… if they paid for a ticket.
by JulioBernazard on Jan 14, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
Actually – I agree with this. Elect them with the provision that they will not be admitted until their death. Otherwise, they cheated the game in a way that altered their ability to play the game and do not deserve to be admitted. Then again, I think any records that are held by acknowledged steroid users should be disqualified from consideration as a “record”. Career stats remain the same, but McGuire’s 70 hr, for example, aren’t listed as among the most by a player in one season.
That said, I wish the whole PED thing would just go away.
I just wanted to believe.
These guys, Pavano and Trachsel, are really the only opinions that matter to me. I’d be curious to see the results of a random, anonymous sampling of steroid-era players on the question of whether steroids should be a bar to the hall of fame.
They are in the best position to judge the ethical behaviors of the guys up for the hall of fame, not Hank Aaron or Paul Hoynes. I want to hear from the guys that faced the temptation, that were aware of the stigma or lack of from taking steroids, and how serious of an offense they perceived it to be.
by ClarkM on Jan 14, 2010 4:42 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I’d be curious to see the results of a random, anonymous sampling of steroid-era players on the question of whether steroids should be a bar to the hall of fame.
Really? Isn’t this somewhat akin to asking a group of car thieves if there should really be a penalty for stealing cars?
Everybody should get ice cream every day.
I’d be curious to see the results of a random, anonymous sampling of steroid-era players on the question of whether steroids should be a bar to the hall of fame.
Really? Isn’t this somewhat akin to asking a group of car thieves if there should really be a penalty for stealing cars?
Everybody should get ice cream every day.
What bothers me is that the inflated stats of the steroid era might prevent otherwise worthy candidates from making it into the HOF. For example, Fred McGriff only gets 21.5% in his first year. Maybe a lot of this is people thinking he isn’t a first-ballot guy, but it seems to me that people don’t think his stats hold up, which seems wrong to me.
Pavano is still in the game and working on a one year deal— I expect him to be somewhat civil, not knowing which team will pay him beyond 2010. I don’t know that he’s thinking that far ahead, but I doubt he’s in the same mindset as Trachsel. Trachsel is retired – he depends on none of these people for his continued livelihood.
I am with JP above …. if you dominated your era …. so be it.
The witch hunt has proven nothing. I beleive there are many more stars who used who will never admit it that will get elected. In fact, if I had to guess, over half of the 90s Tribe probably did something (not as extensive as Bonds of course).
But I know I am in the minority on this. C’est la vie.
Eric Gagne objects. But I wish I read this point more often.
by kennesawmountainwahoo on Jan 15, 2010 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
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