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Pavano...told the St. Paul Pioneer Press in an e-mail that he believes McGwire belongs in the Hall of Fame: "I enjoyed watching him change the game," wrote Pavano, who now pitches for the Twins.

John Perrotto on the BP Midweek Update. Perrotto points out how Pavano (who surrendered no. 70) reacted differently than Trachsel (no. 62), who said McGwire shouldn't be in the Hall.

I really, really like Carl Pavano.

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If I had a HOF vote, I’d vote for Bonds, Arod, McGwire, Palmeiro and basically every other Hall worthy player that has admitted to steroid use or is suspected of taking something. It was part of the game and I see no reason to discount an entire era while condoning or ignoring other forms of “cheating” that have happened in the past.

Good to hear a player come out and say it. Even though he wasn’t terribly exciting with the Tribe, it seems we all have taken a liking to him in that short period.

by JP_Frost on Jan 14, 2010 1:11 PM EST reply actions  

I’d let those guys in the Hall… if they paid for a ticket.

by JulioBernazard on Jan 14, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

What about Pete Rose? He truly belongs there!

by LAIndianfan on Jan 14, 2010 3:25 PM EST reply actions  

And Shoeless Joe too!

Resident LGT results-oriented boob.

by mauichuck on Jan 14, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

i think he does more than rose. not getting into what he did or didn’t do, they made the rule because of him. he got ex post facto’d. rose knew the rule when he broke it.

by Brick. on Jan 14, 2010 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

They should be let in … only after they die. Cruel? Maybe.

by Toxicadam on Jan 14, 2010 3:40 PM EST reply actions  

Actually – I agree with this. Elect them with the provision that they will not be admitted until their death. Otherwise, they cheated the game in a way that altered their ability to play the game and do not deserve to be admitted. Then again, I think any records that are held by acknowledged steroid users should be disqualified from consideration as a “record”. Career stats remain the same, but McGuire’s 70 hr, for example, aren’t listed as among the most by a player in one season.

That said, I wish the whole PED thing would just go away.

I just wanted to believe.

by mjmarble on Jan 14, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, kill them, and then immediately put them in the hall.

by Chemo on Jan 15, 2010 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

These guys, Pavano and Trachsel, are really the only opinions that matter to me. I’d be curious to see the results of a random, anonymous sampling of steroid-era players on the question of whether steroids should be a bar to the hall of fame.

They are in the best position to judge the ethical behaviors of the guys up for the hall of fame, not Hank Aaron or Paul Hoynes. I want to hear from the guys that faced the temptation, that were aware of the stigma or lack of from taking steroids, and how serious of an offense they perceived it to be.

by ClarkM on Jan 14, 2010 4:42 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

I’d be curious to see the results of a random, anonymous sampling of steroid-era players on the question of whether steroids should be a bar to the hall of fame.

Really? Isn’t this somewhat akin to asking a group of car thieves if there should really be a penalty for stealing cars?

Everybody should get ice cream every day.

by Joel D on Jan 16, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

No, I don’t think it’s like that at all. I want everyone’s opinion, not just the opinions of those that actually took steroids.

by ClarkM on Jan 16, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

How do you plan to differentiate between the two? Are there even two separate groups?

by Brad D on Jan 16, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not trying to separate them, that’s why I suggested doing a random sampling.

by ClarkM on Jan 16, 2010 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d be curious to see the results of a random, anonymous sampling of steroid-era players on the question of whether steroids should be a bar to the hall of fame.

Really? Isn’t this somewhat akin to asking a group of car thieves if there should really be a penalty for stealing cars?

Everybody should get ice cream every day.

by Joel D on Jan 16, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Did you really like this little quip?

by Brad D on Jan 16, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

No, because a lot of players say they felt pressure to juice, knowing that they were competing for jobs with other players who were juicing.

by Jay on Jan 16, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

What bothers me is that the inflated stats of the steroid era might prevent otherwise worthy candidates from making it into the HOF. For example, Fred McGriff only gets 21.5% in his first year. Maybe a lot of this is people thinking he isn’t a first-ballot guy, but it seems to me that people don’t think his stats hold up, which seems wrong to me.

by piersall on Jan 14, 2010 5:37 PM EST reply actions  

Which of course assumes that Fred McGriff didn’t use anything to get to where he’s at.

by piersall on Jan 15, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

There’s no way.

The Crime Dog knew that …. crime… doesn’t pay.

by JimmyAB on Jan 15, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I always loved his swing … reminded me of Pete Townshend’s windmill stage move.

by piersall on Jan 15, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Pavano is still in the game and working on a one year deal— I expect him to be somewhat civil, not knowing which team will pay him beyond 2010. I don’t know that he’s thinking that far ahead, but I doubt he’s in the same mindset as Trachsel. Trachsel is retired – he depends on none of these people for his continued livelihood.

by xrickx on Jan 14, 2010 9:07 PM EST reply actions  

I am with JP above …. if you dominated your era …. so be it.

The witch hunt has proven nothing. I beleive there are many more stars who used who will never admit it that will get elected. In fact, if I had to guess, over half of the 90s Tribe probably did something (not as extensive as Bonds of course).

But I know I am in the minority on this. C’est la vie.

by talonk on Jan 14, 2010 10:26 PM EST reply actions  

Some of those homers would’ve come against pitchers that were dosing too right?

by fg28 on Jan 15, 2010 1:52 AM EST reply actions  

Many of them. For all we know, most of them.

by Jay on Jan 15, 2010 1:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Eric Gagne objects. But I wish I read this point more often.

by kennesawmountainwahoo on Jan 15, 2010 8:45 PM EST up reply actions  

And, for all we know, hardly any of them.

by Brad D on Jan 15, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

No … not really. The preponderance of the evidence is that PED use was widespread.

by Jay on Jan 15, 2010 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I completely agree, I’m just saying we don’t actually know.

by Brad D on Jan 16, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

A lot of pitchers have been busted since testing entered the picture.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Jan 16, 2010 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

…Logically we just have to think of who needs steroids more, if the primary goal is to stay healthy and/or get back from an injury.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Jan 16, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

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