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This doesn't strike me as rigorous analysis but...the cost of living figures are pretty nuts.

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NY is without a doubt more expensive than Philadelphia. But you can’t use a simple COLA calculator to come up with exact figures. How the “average” cost of living compares for residents in Philly and NY can’t provide too much information for how Cliff Lee’s cost of living might differ.

by APV on Dec 14, 2010 10:39 AM EST reply actions  

Plus, the whole tax thing always seems overstated. I suspect a significant percentage, if not a majority, of athletes don’t establish residence in their playing city. Lee, for instance, has supposedly already bought a big house in Arkansas that will be his primary (saw that on twitter, can’t find link). Plus there’s all that business about paying taxes in each state.

These guys must keep accountants happy.

by afh4 on Dec 14, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but athletes get taxed according to the days they were in that particular city. So he’ll have city income taxes deducted for 82 games in Philly, 18 in New York, 18 in Atlanta, etc, etc. You get taxed in the city you work even though you might live in an state without an income tax.

And yeah, the tax returns for these guys have to keep the accountants happy.

by Ryan on Dec 14, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

18 in New York, 18 in Atlanta

Did Selig change it so that teams play 36 games against division rivals next season?

by JulioBernazard on Dec 14, 2010 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry, 9 in each division rival’s city.

by Ryan on Dec 15, 2010 8:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Also! Same thing with state income tax.

by Ryan on Dec 14, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

As if there is/was any possibility Cliff would move his family to NYC. He’d rather stay at the Y and commute to Arkansas on his off days.

Our best players wear suits.

by mauichuck on Dec 14, 2010 9:08 PM EST up reply actions  

He wants to stay at the Y? What exactly are you saying here, Chuck?

by Jay on Dec 14, 2010 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m pretty sure Cliff would suffer just about any indignity rather than subject his family to the cess pool that is NYC.

Our best players wear suits.

by mauichuck on Dec 14, 2010 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

In the last two days, I’ve collected a bagful of CDs of music, bought at a discount at the World Music Institute on 27th & 6th; I’ve had a fine Italian dinner in Brooklyn with a genial host, with Love Italian Style projected on a screen over the bar; walked from there 2 blocks to a bar that a couple of French expats started 8 years ago to watch the kids dancing to the cumbia band in the back; listened to New Yorker writer David Grann discuss his excellent book The Lost City of Z (with powerpoint accompaniment) at the National Arts Club, housed in the opulent mansion that Samuel Tilden had built in the 1860s; and walked a couple of blocks from there to have a fabulous Indian meal afterward. Walking past Jazz Standard, we realized we had just missed catching the last set of Houston Person and The Big Soul Band’s tribute to Johnny Griffin.
The Yankees are an affront to civilization. New York City is pretty great.

by YoDaddyWags on Dec 14, 2010 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

And the last time I spend any real time in NYC I was driven every where in a limo, stayed at the TirBeCa hotel, and ate at the Four Seasons. But I also watched a hooker service a client in broad day-light near the Bowery, stepped over a mound of garbage outside of Club 21 and saw a dead rat the size of tomcat in the gutter out side of what used to be the Down Town Athletic Club.

The food’s over rated – you can eat much better in Philly, the music’s much more interesting Houston and the people in Arkansas are much, much friendlier. In short New York is very over rated.

I’m not surprised Cliff chose anywhere but NYC I’d take a pay cut too, even if I had to live in Couer d’Alene in the winter.

Our best players wear suits.

by mauichuck on Dec 15, 2010 12:01 AM EST up reply actions  

This whole topic is vastly overplayed.

It doesn’t take a genius to figure out why he’d rather pitch in the National League and out of the Dallas heat.

by Jay on Dec 15, 2010 7:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes. Although this does kill the post I was going to do on how much Cliff Lee loves the Liberty Bell.

by afh4 on Dec 15, 2010 8:40 AM EST up reply actions  

We’ll have to disagree on this one. I’m pretty sure that his wife was pissed. If she was pissed you better believe Cliff was pissed too.

Our best players wear suits.

by mauichuck on Dec 15, 2010 9:19 PM EST up reply actions  

His wife sure wasn’t pissed about Dallas, though.

by Jay on Dec 15, 2010 10:32 PM EST up reply actions  

A tough hombre like you can’t step over a pile of trash? What has the world come to?

by JulioBernazard on Dec 15, 2010 8:40 AM EST up reply actions  

New York has rats, sex workers and garbage? I’m moving to Houston.

by YoDaddyWags on Dec 15, 2010 8:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Chuck’s thing with Houston has always struck me funny. I don’t know anyone else who speaks well of Houston, and I know lots of Texans.

by afh4 on Dec 15, 2010 8:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually, NYC has as many rats as people. Here

As to garbage – collecting it seems to be optional in NYC>

Our best players wear suits.

by mauichuck on Dec 15, 2010 9:18 PM EST up reply actions  

When are you slated to recite your poems at the 92nd Street Y?

by JulioBernazard on Dec 15, 2010 8:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m using my refund to see YDW recite his baseball-themed verse.

by JulioBernazard on Dec 15, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Still working on my epic, The RATBOPiad.

by YoDaddyWags on Dec 15, 2010 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, New York is pretty awesome, but I don’t live there. I’m certain it’s a different vibe 365 days a year than the 2-5 days a year I’m there.

by emd2k3 on Dec 14, 2010 11:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Pretty sure based on what?

Come on, four billion!

by Joel D on Dec 15, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, leaving $34 million on the table is an indicator.

by Jay on Dec 15, 2010 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s an indicator Cliff would rather stay at a Y?

by afh4 on Dec 15, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

junkballer was replying to koobs.

by Jay on Dec 15, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I have been offered jobs in NYC a few times, and I was daunted in part by the difference in cost of living.

Having said that, if someone offered me $34 million more to move to New York, I’m pretty confident I’d be coming out ahead.

by Jay on Dec 14, 2010 11:58 AM EST reply actions  

Crasnick says it’s more like $13M. Not sure how true that is.

by afh4 on Dec 14, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry, missed the link: http://twitter.com/#!/jcrasnick/status/14711338844557314

by afh4 on Dec 14, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s if the option vests, which is a gigantic if.

People suspend their disbelief when they talk about six years in the future of any pitcher. The smart money is on that option not vesting, even if it’s “easily reachable.”

by Jay on Dec 14, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Since I kind of do it for a living, I know that the COLA between NE Ohio and the Philly metro area is something like +35-40% (mainly due to housing costs)…I don’t even want to know what the NYC metro COLA would be.

by Ryan on Dec 14, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s not good in my experience.

by Roger Dorn on Dec 14, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Considering that I’m now living in Cleveland in somewhat similar style to when I was in New York and am now making what I used to pay in taxes in NYC , the difference is ginormous.

by stuart dean on Dec 14, 2010 8:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I believe it, too. I believe that Cliff chooses seven years in Texas over five in Philly. And good for Texas for turning it down.

by Jay on Dec 14, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

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