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Choo has hired Scott Boras. Let the J.D. Drew comps begin. Somebody do some research and see if Boras guys sign pre-arb deals.

Update: Also, Boras will continue announcing the signing of one player each week for the next 20 weeks to erase the bad press on the departure of Felipe Lopez. At the end of 20 weeks, all 20 players will partake in a cage match for the right to be represented by Boras. All 19 losers will still be retained by Boras but will pay 4% commission in all future contracts signed rather than the 3% owed by the winner.

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Well, this confirms he won’t be joining the military any time soon, at least.

< / guy who wants LaPorta to play 150 games in LF >

by westbrook on Feb 26, 2010 7:48 PM EST reply actions  

Or signing anything long term

by GoTribe028 on Feb 26, 2010 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Who cares? Boras clients are the new market inefficiency.

by fleerdon on Feb 26, 2010 8:33 PM EST reply actions  

Boras clients typically do not sign lockup deals. Typically, they go year-by-year in arbitration, losing pretty much every hearing as Boras overplays his hand.

by Jay on Feb 26, 2010 9:32 PM EST reply actions  

Until Choo refuses to sign with the team who drafted him second overall, let’s hold off on the JD Drew comparisons .

"Nobody ever thinks, 'Hey, maybe I’m actually an idiot.'" - Jay

by woodsmeister on Feb 26, 2010 9:40 PM EST reply actions  

Find me one Boras client who has signed a lockup deal, or given up years of free agency before actually being a free agent, and then we’ll talk.

by Jay on Feb 27, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, crap.

Welcome back, Sandy! ATALECG...

by USSChoo on Feb 27, 2010 3:07 PM EST reply actions  

So what is the last year the Indians have Choo under control? Can we expect arbitration at the end of this season?

No, not you. Your helmet!

by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 27, 2010 4:46 PM EST reply actions  

2013. more nuggets from castro here

by Brick. on Feb 27, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Choo is under club control through 2013. He’ll be eligible for arbitration for the 2011 season.

by Jay on Feb 27, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

so, somethin that comes to mind with this boras development. the rolling assumption is that now, under his advice, choo may now decline a lock-up deal and go year-by-year utilizing the arbitration process until he becomes a free agent.

assuming this happens, is there any wonder these ‘silly service time issues’ shouldn’t be dismissed. in the last, what, 10 months, here’s been occasional clamoring for laporta, brantley, and santana “yesterday” each in different circumstances.

is there really ever any reason for a team like the indians not to ruthlessly max out these situations? waiting on laporta last year was the right thing to do, maybe just now once he got past that threshold. it’s the reason santana shouldn’t sniff the majors until he does, even if marson, redmond, and toregas all go down with injury. and in my opinion, it’s why brantly and valbuena should each spend enough time in the minors this year to gain another year of control on them.

by Brick. on Feb 28, 2010 11:20 AM EST reply actions  

aaand, i should have went to paul’s site first this morning.

what he said, with less typos.

by Brick. on Feb 28, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Which points out one more advantage that the big market teams use. Their management of service time addresses only the amount they pay their younger players. Smaller markets must deny themselves use at the major league level because the days of their better players are limited to pre free agent status.

by elsandito on Feb 28, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

and tony with a good point about marson. makes the redmond deal make more sense. instead of marson sliding to back-up when santana arrives, send him down, let him play every day and gain service time advantages in the process.

by Brick. on Feb 28, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Gee, I liked that Lastoria article better the first time … when I wrote it, four years ago.

Tony of course is allergic to linking to anyone, or even acknowledging that there’s anyone else writing anything worthwhile about the Indians and their prospects.

by Jay on Feb 28, 2010 9:59 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Great minds, I suppose…

Sorry about the typos, I was deep into some Dogfish Head 60 minute IPA when I was doing most of it last night. I think I got them all when I went back to look at them later this morning.

by The DiaTriber on Feb 28, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

no, my typos. i’m not even drinking. yet.

by Brick. on Feb 28, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but with LaPorta the “clamoring” came at a time when the team, designed to contend, was floundering and the idea was that he would provide an actual upgrade over Francisco and occasionally Garko in left. I mean, at some point, the goal is to win games, right? What frustrated me with the failure to break camp with LaPorta and Huff was the nagging sense that the Indians never, ever put their best team on the field from day one. Coincidentally, they rarely got off to good starts.

Which is not to say they shouldn’t be suppressing Brantley’s and Santana’s service time. Entirely different scenario this year.

Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile

by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Feb 28, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

and we went round and round as to what level of upgrade he would have been. i don’t think it was a difference maker.

by Brick. on Feb 28, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, and later events bore that out. It’s not that specific decision I have trouble with, it’s more the part about consistently refusing to field the best possible team in April.

Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile

by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Feb 28, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Which would be ideal. But if it’s at the expense of squandering assets, I can’t sign off on a “best 25 no matter what” strategy. Have to have an eye in short and an eye on long term at all times.

by Brick. on Feb 28, 2010 2:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Sorry to tell you this … or maybe happy to be able to tell you this … but this concern is way, way overblown.

First, service time is not the only reason why we don’t field “our best team” in April. The other reason is preserving overall available talent and depth in the organization, based on option status. Just about every team does this, and it is with the idea of winning the most games over all six months, not just the first one.

Second, where service time is an issue, the performance hit is almost always negligible. LaPorta as a rookie is not going to burn down the American League. Just about nobody is. And even if someone occasionally does, as often as not it’s some fringe veteran like Ron Belliard rather than a rookie.

Point being, rookies are not a better bet than veterans over any given next-two-months. The idea that we’re losing a lot of productivity to cost-control just is not supported by the data.

by Jay on Feb 28, 2010 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

seen here and on the side bar. not “sparing” readers the super two explanation.

i mainly linked it because of the marson thought. i had never thought about that, even if i should have. i guess i didn’t care, because i mainly care about santana’s clock

by Brick. on Feb 28, 2010 10:23 PM EST up reply actions  

another random thought here, whilst i talk to myslef this morning.

rick jokingly touches on something i find myself doing as a defense mechanism with his title here. i have made a habit of keeping my favorite players as a moving target – bracing myself from being ‘crushed’ for guys’ eventual departure.

i remember in ‘07 transitioning cc out of my heart and fausto in. asdrubal became my favorite player so quickly. and in the last few days, it really does seem like now choo’s clock is ticking. which makes room for brantley and laporta, who’d been knocking at the gate to my affections.

by Brick. on Feb 28, 2010 11:42 AM EST reply actions  

Makes sense, but I’m not ready to dismiss Choo, this blog-handle has to have plenty of life to it!

Welcome back, Sandy! ATALECG...

by USSChoo on Feb 28, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Sub-note, a while back I got razzed when I was talking to some of the D-Rays Bay guys for a comment I made here to the effect that I was “ready to start disliking the Rays.”

It was indefensible out of context, of course, but what I thought was, lordy, we talk about our feelings a lot on this blog.

by fleerdon on Mar 2, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I hate the Rays. Screw them.

by Jay on Mar 2, 2010 9:24 PM EST up reply actions  

What I meant at the time was, I’d been giving the Rays a tacit hall pass for their decade-long Rule 4 keg stand onaccounta the Sox/Yanks situation, and if it was ever right to feel sorry for them, that time had passed. You can’t let the AL East Hundred Years’ War obscure your derision for the other clubs out that way.

They got this Depression on, I got to look after me an’ mine.

by fleerdon on Mar 2, 2010 9:54 PM EST up reply actions  

We compete with the Rays for cheap talent at all levels, and one of these days, we’ll be fighting them for a Wild Card spot.

by Jay on Mar 2, 2010 10:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I slaughtered this horse a week ago, I do believe it’s startin to turn.

by NickFantana on Mar 2, 2010 11:34 PM EST up reply actions  

…their decade-long Rule 4 keg stand…

What is a Rule 4 keg stand?

by odradek on Mar 3, 2010 1:27 AM EST up reply actions  

A keg stand you acquire from another fraternity that didn’t deem it valuable enough to either use it within 7 years or place it in the keg stand garage.

by afh4 on Mar 3, 2010 8:57 AM EST up reply actions  

The prospect of signing such a deal with the Indians seems to appeal to Choo, who pointed out that, no matter who is representing him in negotiations, he will have the final say.

Not implying that it will in fact have any impact on signing a lockup deal, but it is really refreshing to hear a ballplayer state that the decision is ultimately theirs. I’ve gotten very tired of the “it’s out of my hands” talk.

Welcome back, Sandy! ATALECG...

by USSChoo on Feb 28, 2010 3:16 PM EST reply actions  

I’m sure he means every single word he says. I’m sure Choo probably doesn’t care one way or another how he gets paid. He obviously is willing to sacrifice stability going year to year til free agency by going with Boras instead of selling his services through his arbitration years at a team friendly price.

by GoTribe028 on Feb 28, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not delusional, I just really appreciate the fact that he’s not trying to act like it isn’t all his choice.

Welcome back, Sandy! ATALECG...

by USSChoo on Feb 28, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Regardless, nobody says BOO THOME’S AGENT.

< / guy who wants LaPorta to play 150 games in LF >

by westbrook on Feb 28, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Buried in CastroTurf today:


Shin-Soo Choo switched agents, partnering with Scott Boras and no doubt affecting the Indians’ chances of locking him up long-term. Choo had been represented by Alan Nero. Asdrubal Cabrera, another long-term contract candidate, is also represented by Nero. Cabrera, for what it’s worth, told me he has no plans to leave Nero for Boras. Top prospect Carlos Santana might be another story. Boras is apparently pursuing him hard. No surprise there, I suppose.

by TribeJay on Mar 1, 2010 8:10 PM EST reply actions  

Sign him now. Before Boras can do anything.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Mar 1, 2010 9:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I know you’re kidding, or half-so, but let’s just look at it this way. We’ll have him for 6 years. That’s what we get. It’s enough, let’s enjoy it. Anything further is a bonus.

by dgcambridge on Mar 1, 2010 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

51% kidding.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Mar 1, 2010 11:11 PM EST up reply actions  

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