I Used to Like Shin-Soo Choo
Choo has hired Scott Boras. Let the J.D. Drew comps begin. Somebody do some research and see if Boras guys sign pre-arb deals.
Update: Also, Boras will continue announcing the signing of one player each week for the next 20 weeks to erase the bad press on the departure of Felipe Lopez. At the end of 20 weeks, all 20 players will partake in a cage match for the right to be represented by Boras. All 19 losers will still be retained by Boras but will pay 4% commission in all future contracts signed rather than the 3% owed by the winner.
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Well, this confirms he won’t be joining the military any time soon, at least.
< / guy who wants LaPorta to play 150 games in LF >
Who cares? Boras clients are the new market inefficiency.
by fleerdon on Feb 26, 2010 8:33 PM EST reply actions
Until Choo refuses to sign with the team who drafted him second overall, let’s hold off on the JD Drew comparisons .
"Nobody ever thinks, 'Hey, maybe I’m actually an idiot.'" - Jay
So what is the last year the Indians have Choo under control? Can we expect arbitration at the end of this season?
No, not you. Your helmet!
by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 27, 2010 4:46 PM EST reply actions
so, somethin that comes to mind with this boras development. the rolling assumption is that now, under his advice, choo may now decline a lock-up deal and go year-by-year utilizing the arbitration process until he becomes a free agent.
assuming this happens, is there any wonder these ‘silly service time issues’ shouldn’t be dismissed. in the last, what, 10 months, here’s been occasional clamoring for laporta, brantley, and santana “yesterday” each in different circumstances.
is there really ever any reason for a team like the indians not to ruthlessly max out these situations? waiting on laporta last year was the right thing to do, maybe just now once he got past that threshold. it’s the reason santana shouldn’t sniff the majors until he does, even if marson, redmond, and toregas all go down with injury. and in my opinion, it’s why brantly and valbuena should each spend enough time in the minors this year to gain another year of control on them.
Which points out one more advantage that the big market teams use. Their management of service time addresses only the amount they pay their younger players. Smaller markets must deny themselves use at the major league level because the days of their better players are limited to pre free agent status.
and tony with a good point about marson. makes the redmond deal make more sense. instead of marson sliding to back-up when santana arrives, send him down, let him play every day and gain service time advantages in the process.
Gee, I liked that Lastoria article better the first time … when I wrote it, four years ago.
Tony of course is allergic to linking to anyone, or even acknowledging that there’s anyone else writing anything worthwhile about the Indians and their prospects.
by Jay on Feb 28, 2010 9:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Great minds, I suppose…
Sorry about the typos, I was deep into some Dogfish Head 60 minute IPA when I was doing most of it last night. I think I got them all when I went back to look at them later this morning.
by The DiaTriber on Feb 28, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but with LaPorta the “clamoring” came at a time when the team, designed to contend, was floundering and the idea was that he would provide an actual upgrade over Francisco and occasionally Garko in left. I mean, at some point, the goal is to win games, right? What frustrated me with the failure to break camp with LaPorta and Huff was the nagging sense that the Indians never, ever put their best team on the field from day one. Coincidentally, they rarely got off to good starts.
Which is not to say they shouldn’t be suppressing Brantley’s and Santana’s service time. Entirely different scenario this year.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Feb 28, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
and we went round and round as to what level of upgrade he would have been. i don’t think it was a difference maker.
Yeah, and later events bore that out. It’s not that specific decision I have trouble with, it’s more the part about consistently refusing to field the best possible team in April.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Feb 28, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Which would be ideal. But if it’s at the expense of squandering assets, I can’t sign off on a “best 25 no matter what” strategy. Have to have an eye in short and an eye on long term at all times.
by Brick. on Feb 28, 2010 2:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Sorry to tell you this … or maybe happy to be able to tell you this … but this concern is way, way overblown.
First, service time is not the only reason why we don’t field “our best team” in April. The other reason is preserving overall available talent and depth in the organization, based on option status. Just about every team does this, and it is with the idea of winning the most games over all six months, not just the first one.
Second, where service time is an issue, the performance hit is almost always negligible. LaPorta as a rookie is not going to burn down the American League. Just about nobody is. And even if someone occasionally does, as often as not it’s some fringe veteran like Ron Belliard rather than a rookie.
Point being, rookies are not a better bet than veterans over any given next-two-months. The idea that we’re losing a lot of productivity to cost-control just is not supported by the data.
seen here and on the side bar. not “sparing” readers the super two explanation.
i mainly linked it because of the marson thought. i had never thought about that, even if i should have. i guess i didn’t care, because i mainly care about santana’s clock
another random thought here, whilst i talk to myslef this morning.
rick jokingly touches on something i find myself doing as a defense mechanism with his title here. i have made a habit of keeping my favorite players as a moving target – bracing myself from being ‘crushed’ for guys’ eventual departure.
i remember in ‘07 transitioning cc out of my heart and fausto in. asdrubal became my favorite player so quickly. and in the last few days, it really does seem like now choo’s clock is ticking. which makes room for brantley and laporta, who’d been knocking at the gate to my affections.
Sub-note, a while back I got razzed when I was talking to some of the D-Rays Bay guys for a comment I made here to the effect that I was “ready to start disliking the Rays.”
It was indefensible out of context, of course, but what I thought was, lordy, we talk about our feelings a lot on this blog.
by fleerdon on Mar 2, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
What I meant at the time was, I’d been giving the Rays a tacit hall pass for their decade-long Rule 4 keg stand onaccounta the Sox/Yanks situation, and if it was ever right to feel sorry for them, that time had passed. You can’t let the AL East Hundred Years’ War obscure your derision for the other clubs out that way.
They got this Depression on, I got to look after me an’ mine.
by fleerdon on Mar 2, 2010 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
We compete with the Rays for cheap talent at all levels, and one of these days, we’ll be fighting them for a Wild Card spot.
The prospect of signing such a deal with the Indians seems to appeal to Choo, who pointed out that, no matter who is representing him in negotiations, he will have the final say.
Not implying that it will in fact have any impact on signing a lockup deal, but it is really refreshing to hear a ballplayer state that the decision is ultimately theirs. I’ve gotten very tired of the “it’s out of my hands” talk.
Welcome back, Sandy! ATALECG...
I’m sure he means every single word he says. I’m sure Choo probably doesn’t care one way or another how he gets paid. He obviously is willing to sacrifice stability going year to year til free agency by going with Boras instead of selling his services through his arbitration years at a team friendly price.
Buried in CastroTurf today:
Shin-Soo Choo switched agents, partnering with Scott Boras and no doubt affecting the Indians’ chances of locking him up long-term. Choo had been represented by Alan Nero. Asdrubal Cabrera, another long-term contract candidate, is also represented by Nero. Cabrera, for what it’s worth, told me he has no plans to leave Nero for Boras. Top prospect Carlos Santana might be another story. Boras is apparently pursuing him hard. No surprise there, I suppose.















