Can we reach 1,000 on a post about Adam Kennedy?
Snip from the SF Chronicle.
I checked in with another of the A's remaining unsigned free agents, infielder Adam Kennedy, today, and he said that he's still talking to Cleveland and Washinghton, but it seems as everything is on hold until Orlando Hudson decides where he's going.
"Something should happen once he figures it out," Kennedy said.
about 2 years ago
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Well, he is the poster child for everyone’s favorite intangible skill: grit.
That, and come one: if you had to choose between DC and Cleveland…who would pick DC? Just the cities alone, I think, would make it a given.
D.C. has much to commend it.
I think, on choosing a one-year deal between two non-contenders, it would come down to the largest guarantee, which in many cases would come down to which roster afforded the best chance of making the 25-man roster.
by Jay on Feb 3, 2010 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
I can’t either, but I might be biased. I like Cleveland a lot, but my love of DC borders on irrational.
by VA tribe fan on Feb 3, 2010 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
It’s probably one of the few cities in the US that has a more squalid inter-urban area than Cleveland – excepting Detroit of course.
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
20 years behind. Why don’t you check up on it now, and then take Brad on the tour of Cleveland while you’re at it?
Holler Columbia Heights.
As General Manager of this team, I demand to know when I'm getting a start.
Holler back. I miss it there. I moved outta DC. Thought about flying in for the snowball fight on U St last month.
Yeah man, I’m there too! I saw some guy with a Tribe hat in Giant once…maybe that was you?
by cleveland teamer on Feb 4, 2010 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
Sure, NW DC is great. People forget that there are three other quadrants. This is not to say I’m knocking DC. The city I love more than any other, Cleveland, is certainly pretty bad off and has plenty of terrible areas. I like DC, I just don’t think it’s the be-all-end-all up-and-coming city. It has a lot of good things going for it, but the city’s governance borders on criminal. That’s something DC and Cleveland share.
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
Well, NY and DC have the highest effective average rent per square foot in the nation by far. DC, however, is trending upward and NY rent is going way, way down.
Saw a presentation about real estate markets at the Ross Biz school last night. NYC has low vacancy rates.
Many bad signs with Atlanta.
Many bad signs with Atlanta.
Atlanta has seriously screwed itself with the lack of any concept of coherent urban planning
by APV on Feb 4, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
People often assume that when cities are lousy, there must not have been a plan. Well, more often there was a plan, but it was a bad one. Atlanta is one of the best examples of a city that’s too heavily invested in automotive transit.
From a developer’s perspective, the rents in Atlanta are so cheap (like nearly $1 a sf) and the market so oversupplied that they’re pretty much stuck with what they’ve got for the foreseeable future. No one wants to touch Atlanta right now.
I’m sure Atlanta had some kind of a plan. But they also had no kind of vision and a decided lack of appropriate zoning regulation. They never should have allowed the city to develop in such a way that many of the main arteries of the city were essentially residential streets. They should have recognized the problem of massive flight first to the Northern, and then to the Southern suburbs earlier and made plans for a reasonable metro-transit system.
by APV on Feb 4, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
It’s amazing how many cities you could say something similar about. Planners back in the post war era just did not give a **** about anything but cars.
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Planning as a subject is immensely complicated, but a couple of observations: Much of what we see around us today is a result of attitudes dating back a century or more. Intelligent and empathic people looked at the city, circa 1900, as a miasma of disease, overcrowding, poverty and crime, and searched for remedies (the City Beautiful movement being one of these). Unspoken behind some––not all––of these attitudes is a certain elite hostility toward the clamor of the city. You will see, in many a newspaper and magazine article in 1930s New York, for instance, that “tenement” and “filthy slum” are synonyms, and it was a logical step to tear down those cramped 3- and 4- and 5-story brick buildings and replace them with things like Stuyvesant Town, which have 10,000 residents in multiple 11-story buildings, tucked away from urban chaos, with lots of greenspace around them. But what you gain in quietude you lose in liveliness. It took people like Jane Jacobs in the 1950s and ’60s to point out the strengths of human-scale neighborhoods, and how they work. The next point is that in the rural and small-town world, the big box and the chain have absolutely eviscerated downtowns, and one big reason for that is that planners in these areas have been unschooled in how to ask for concessions from these businesses, how to utilize the codes in place to retain the feel of their town, to curb the sprawl that results in that endless strip mall leading away from, not into, the community in question. At any rate, decisions once made set forth very powerful forces that can take decades to reveal themselves and decades more to undo or amend.
It’s hard to imagine developers imagining what Stuy Town would become in less than a generation, though.
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I’m talking about the current battle over there that now has Trump and LeFrak entering the conversation. It was originally supposed to be a haven for the urban middle class and (assuming the economy recovers) it’ll be disney land in a decade.
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Houston, Texas has no zoning laws. None. It’s indistinguishable from DC or Detroit or Cleveland for that matter.
I’m sorry, but for once I’m a Market Forces guy. If you can afford it and can built it, go on ahead..
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
It’s indistinguishable from DC or Detroit or Cleveland
Whoa, that’s really subjective. When it comes to architecture Houston is nothing like those three. When it comes to pre/post-automotive layout it only resembles Detroit.
If you’re trying to say Houston is a nightmare, I, and some others, agree with you.
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by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 5, 2010 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
No what I’m saying is that Houston is as livable – and yes, that’s subjective – as any of those cities. Affordable housing – check, ease of transportation, DC a little better but not much, NIght Life – Houston by a mile, Culture – maybe not Culture with a capitol “C”, but if you wanna hear great jazz, zedeco, blues, C&W Houston’s got it all over DC or Detroit, sports, I’m a little biased here since the guys who ran/run to two biggest venues usta work for my father-in-law, but ya gotta love thier arena/stadia. Now some of this has nothing to do with zoning, but everything to do with living.
Bottom line, I’ve been to DC a lot, lived in Cleveland, Denver, Philly area, LA, Maui, and I’ll take Houston over any of ’em – save Cleveland of course
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
Watch that link. I think Kunstler speaks your vernacular—and I mean that as a compliment.
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by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 5, 2010 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
Join the club.
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by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 5, 2010 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
Here’s one of my favorited quote:
His disinclination towards the term “consumer” in lieu of “citizen” really wraps up his lack of faith in capitalism as a sustainable endpoint for humankind. All his ideas generously lend to much more people-oriented, life-conducive, communal living— places built for people, not money.
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Good point, people over profit? Society never tumbles when it favors the wants of few over the needs of many! What a doof!
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by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 5, 2010 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
Lots of interpretation of “the wants of a few”. Kuntsler one of the few too.
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
So was Marx.
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by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 5, 2010 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
Houston requires detached houses to have a minimum lot size of 5,000 feet or, since 1998 in some inner areas, 3500 square feet. Townhouses are required to have a lot size of at least 2250 square feet or, in some areas since 1998, 1400 square feet plus 600 square feet of open space. Apartment buildings must provide at least 1.25 parking spaces per apartment. Homes must have parking for at least two vehicles per lot. Hospitals must provide 2.2 parking spaces per bed. Shopping centers must provide 4-5 parking spaces per 1,000 square feet of gross floor area. Structures abutting major thoroughfares must be set back at least 25 feet from the street. Major streets must have a 100-foot right of way, and smaller ones 50-60 feet. Intersections along major roads have to be at least 600 feet apart. While restrictive covenants in subdivisions do the work of zoning in separating business from residential uses, city code empowers the city attorney to enforce these private covenants. All of these regulations have served to create a city that drives more than any other, that commutes via public transport less than any other, and whose citizens spend 20% of their income on transportation, second only to Dallas. I don’t know a lot about urban zoning, and I’ve never been to Houston, so I can’t tell you what it’s like to live and work there. Describing all this as being a place of “no zoning laws. None,” however, seems less than accurate.
Ya got me, but ya gotta remember, I left Houston in 1992. All of this might have happened since, but I’m pretty positive it’s ain’t retro-active. In fact I’ll bet that 95% of Houston was built before 1998.
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
Many of these requirements date from 1940, and some requirements were loosened in 1998. Houston’s voters have rejected zoning in 1948, 1962 and 1994. My point is simply that Houston regulates development in ways that look a lot like other places. It may not be called zoning, but Houston’s regulations have shaped the way it looks and how it works just like zoning has in New York or Washington, D.C.
Here’s what I remember: you could open a store, a bar, a beauty palor, a used car lot, any damn place you wanted in Houston. Just as long as you could afford the price.
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
Lots of good architecture in Houston. Rothko Chapel, Cullinan Hall, metal homes in Memorial Bend. Nice housing.
I disagree with Memorial Bend. Some of those homes are cheap imitations of the thoughtfully designed ones and lack inner charm and intelligent lay-out. The irony is that they’ve demolished quite a few of the nice ones in the past couple years and rebuilt multi-story McMansions™ because apparently in Texas, homes built in the 1950s are too old.
You can point out plenty of cool buildings in Houston much like any large city, but there isn’t a cohesion at all and the buildings are disparately located. I’m sure the 2 million plus residents of Houston disagree with me.
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by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 6, 2010 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
Set backs are awesome! Whoever coined that term for zoning was a genius.
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by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 5, 2010 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
Atlanta’s a great case-study in this, but this pattern is so typical.
Zoning regulations are what create those exclusionary land use zones you describe. Alternative (or fewer) regulations enable mixed uses. Many municipalities use the PUD (Planned Unit Development) to break from the rigidity of their zoning codes, but those are applied piecemeal and still restrain markets.
The single-family use zone is hard to break, even when the logic of a free land use market would dictate otherwise. Silicon Valley is a great example of this. Land use is probably our most tightly regulated market.
In many a rural community, the idea of concentrated development that leaves a large majority of land publicly accessible and undeveloped is one that is gaining adherents. In practical terms, zoning codes are enforced to the extent that their communities want to enforce them: there’s a lot of leeway, for good and bad, built in.
Are you actually referring to right-to-farm laws?
In many a rural community, zoning hasn’t been enabled or it’s very minimal. The common law nuisance becomes the de facto zoning policy.
I wasn’t; I was thinking of my own experience as a (brand new) member of my town’s ZBA, and stories from my spies on the planning board. I would think every town would gain from the implementation of zoning regulations, since they can be tailored to the desires of the community, can remain malleable (to an extent), and provide some protection from waking up one day looking out at some surprising evil you had never expected.
Zoning will do what the state enabling legislation allows a city to do with it.
I’m obviously very critical of so-called euclidean zoning. I really like Harvard law prof. Gerald Frug’s perspective on this subject.
Congratulations on your appointment.
I’ll check out Prof. Frug, thanks. And in case people don’t know this, that’s your own Euclid, OH he’s talking about, not a Greek math genius.
Very true. Moore v. East Cleveland is another important land use law case to have reached the highest court that’s close to home. Sympathetic plaintiff. In there you’ll find a dissenting opinion from a justice who argues Mrs. Moore should have first appealed to the ZBA for a variance.
Seems like the Olympics would have been a good time for Atlanta to develop a legitimate metro-transit system. They built a rinky dink fragment of one at the time, didn’t they? A sorry missed opportunity.
The MARTA? It is very inconvenient for me because I visit my friend who lives very close to the city and very near a MARTA but to get to the station I would be with my other friend or my aunt who both live in suburbs and at least 45 minutes from a MARTA station.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
You know, I’ve always thought the same about Cleveland and using the boom of the Gateway opening to make the RTA rapid bounds better. I’ve never ridden the Green or Blue lines but the Red Line (west side) is terrible. The trains were old and outdated in 1994 (still the same trains in use) and the stations were a urine scented mess. Now they have remodeled most of the stations, but they’ve either not maintained them after the remodel or they half-assed it. It seems the only thing good they did with the boon from the mid 90’s was create the Waterfront line, but even that suffers in that it primarily serves a dead Flats area.
When we start talking about the intricacies of certain cities is when I start betting the over on 1,000.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Feb 4, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
and i was just about to launch into my defense of the Robert Moses brand of urban planning.
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Ya know, I try to be a good little new urbanist, but I can’t slog through that Jane Jacobs book. I’ve read like half of it and am really bored…
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I was kidding about defending Moses, but if you’re up for it, try reading The Power Broker. It’s much more lively Jacobs’ “Great Life and Death….” It’s page count is up over a grand, but I wouldn’t define it as a slog.
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I figured you were. Two recommendations for the Power Broker means I should probably check it out.
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
There are a few seminal ideas in Jacobs that you can probably get from googling, if you don’t want to finish it. A third hearty rec for Caro here. Mario Cuomo’s Forest Hills Diary is a pretty interesting look at on-the-ground negotiation of an intricate housing question in 1970s Queens.
A good part of the Democratic Party found Mario quite tantalizing circa 1991, if memory serves. But that’s for another time and place.
by Jay on Feb 4, 2010 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
Taxation without representation!
Oh, wait, city governance …
by Gradyforpresident on Feb 4, 2010 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
Here was my introduction to DC. My wife and I were trying to get to Arlington from the north side of DC and took the outer belt around the east side of Washington, and got lost. At about 10 PM I pulled off the freeway – somewhere on the east side of town, here I think – into a McDonald’s to ask for directions. I was met by not one but two armed rent-a-cops who told me how to get to Arlington and followed up with, “if I were you I’d get my ass outta here”. Needless to say they had impressed me with the need to leave the area. I got back on (a) freeway, managed to screw that up since it turned into a surface street. Next thing I know I’m in the middle of some kinda drug drive-thru strip mall located amongst some red brick four story apartment complexes with 13 yo kids in white t-shirts five sizes too big for them asking me at every stoplight if I wanted to “score”. Finally saw the Capitol in the distance and headed for it; somehow got on I-395 and headed for Alexandria. Let’s just say it was one of my more exciting detours.
I’ve been back since. I got one friend – the one with the Corvette license “GOTRIBE” who lives near 7 Locks and Cabin John – nice little neighborhood, kinda looks like Chagrin Falls without the horses. Been over to Turk’s neighborhood, helped a friend of mine put a boiler in his daughters house near there. Most 40’s vintage 1,000 sq ft bungalows a little seedy but nobody – as far as I know – was killing middle-aged women by the boatload like in Mt. Pleasant.
Bottom line: DC has some very, very nice areas and it’s expensive. But then again the under belly is ugly, real ugly. All and all as a Nation’s Capitol, it’s an embarrassment.
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
But a quite well representation of the country …
by Gradyforpresident on Feb 6, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
The best thing we can do for our developing pitchers is to give them good defense.
by Jay on Feb 3, 2010 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
Signing Adam Kennedy would make Valbuena less important, which would bring up the guy we traded for him, who could have REALLY helped in this area.
"I'm a baseball lifer. It's what I do." —Manny Acta
I don’t think we have to say it in past tense. I know UZR didn’t like him last year, but his UZR career stats at 2B match the traditional scouting opinion that he’s a good defensive middle infielder. He’s a bit older, but I bet that UZR rebounds next year.
What doesn’t make sense is that he’s a LHB without much success against lefties lately, not a complement to Valbuena at all.
Yeah, I’m not seeing much of a match, especially if the plan is to give Valbuena most of the starts at second.
Maybe that’s not the plan. Maybe the FO has serious concerns about Valbuena’s defense, and his bat isn’t so special that it would make up for that.
I’m starting to rethink Valbuena.
You’ll change your mind the first time you see him hit a line drive.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Feb 4, 2010 6:08 AM EST up reply actions
I was eating MickeyD fries and getting plastered with my hipster Family Guy Club when I read what that hack Tom Wolfe wrote about when Britney was on Leno, talking about how the experienced and mentoring J. K. Galbraith was a lousy choice to be the new Case Western mascot, but I couldn’t tell if she was joking. Does this help?
I’m surprised that Tom Wolfe’s The Painted Word never came up once in that whole discussion. You were so close. I suppose his attitudes about style, taste, craft, etc. are evident in his other works, but in it Wolfe directly addresses some of the themes you discussed (and would probably agree with you, if I followed your argument).
You know me, I love pop music as much as anyone. I love top-40 for its newness (and picking up on nods to pop music history) but l’m bothered by a spate of anachronisms in several current hits, such as the artist Kesha singing about playing her favorite CDs on her way to parties, or GaGa’s new single imploring us to stop blowing up her “telephone.” Kesha’s hit is titled “tik-tok,” no less, even though clocks no longer tick-tock. The internal logic of her song is also faulty. If we follow the song linearly, she “[brushes] her teeth with a bottle of Jack,” before getting a pedicure and trying on clothes. Weird.
I don’t expect much from the lyrics—I’d rather be able to ignore the lyrics altogether—but “tik tok” is meant to be an anthem of sorts. The lyrics should be better than this if they drive the song.
Can I argue with the obvious success of “tik tok?” Not well. But will this hit be remembered as anything other than an oddity? I doubt it.
Was talking to a girl this week about that very song. She thought that it was a terrible way to make music; I will write and sing fifty of those if I get #1 single-type money.
"I'm a baseball lifer. It's what I do." —Manny Acta
If you listen carefully, you can still hear a Rolex go “tick-tock”.
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
You might be right. When I was about 14 I walked into a jewelry store and asked to try one on. They let me, and my whole arm started to shake with it sitting there on my wrist.
It’s just one of those ‘name’ brands that the cost doesn’t translate into that much more quality, IMHO.
It’s also the same as my wife wanting a $200 pair of Seven For All Mankind jeans. They’re basically denim and rivets and stitching, just like a pair of $40 jeans. You’re just buying the tag.
I've really got to change my signature.
People have caught on to the true nature of the Bose schtick, however. That they’ve resorted to selling overpriced tabletop radios via short-form infomercials to people like my Dad (who once told me that nothing good in life comes with an electric cord attached) says something.
Besides, even if Bose actually provided improved audio fidelity commensurate with the price premium, audio fidelity is a loser’s game these days. Our children (more accurately, our children’s peers) think that they don’t need anything that produces better sound than an iPod, a laptop and a pair of earbuds.
Monster Cable may be an even better example.
Monster Cable is the essential example.
I can rag on Bose, but the stuff is practical and attractive, and it sounds good. Their tabletop stuff which you decry is a better deal than most high-end stereo products in my view. What’s so bad about filling your kitchen with pretty good sound? Nothing. Even the notion of having separate stereo speakers is highly overrated, considering the reality of normal music listening habits. You can sit in the sweet spot without moving your head all day long … or you can enjoy music while making a nice dinner.
by Jay on Feb 8, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
The annoying part about MonsterCable is that the retail stores willfully play along. Last time I was at BestBuy I asked about purchasing an HDMI knowing full well that I could get a 10 dollar cable online with the same quality. I listened patiently and then asked why the cable I ordered online for 10 dollars worked so well. Their reply was something about how I don’t quite get full quality with the online cable, which is not accurate, but I moved on.
Ooh, Monster’s different. Bose makes some great stuff (their L1 system should have utterly revolutionized sound in churches, IMHO), it’s just a question of whether any of it is practical, necessary, or better enough than cheaper stuff to be worth the increased cost. Monster, on the other hand, makes products that aren’t demonstrably better at all.
by VA tribe fan on Feb 8, 2010 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
Monster Cable relies on the “audiophile” thinking that he can hear and appreciate things that the mere audio consumer cannot. The King and his clothes phenomenon. Lots of this going on. Back in the day there was a publication called “The Audiophile” I was looking for a link for it, but evidently it doesn’t exist any more. Suffice it to say it was the house organ for really, really overpriced equipment and magic technology line blue pens you’d paint your CDs with to make the sound “more euphonic”.
Here’s all you need to know: most distortion in any audio system comes from the transducers. That is the stuff that turns one form of energy into another. Back in the day, the two biggest were the stylus/cartridge/record combination and the speakers. The distortion added by the electronics is minimal. Since the advent of digital recording it’s down to the speakers – and like Jay said – the room accustics. Recordings, for the most part, are mixed so that you hafta sit at the peak of the “triangle” formed by the two speakers and your head. Not how most people actually listen to music.
It’s all moot anyway. One of the best experiences I’ve ever had listening to music was at a joint called Biddy Milligans in Chicago, listening to Pinetop Perkins, Willy Dixon and James Cotton through some old Electro-Voice horn speakers. It’s all about the music.
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Being a bit of an “audiophile” myself, I still don’t really advocate for Monster cables. My good friend, however, has them in his SACD, 5.1 setup. He doesn’t get all excited over them generally, but apparently they allow for higher and lower end frequencies to arrive at the exact same time, as there is a tiny amount of lag between the two in ordinary cables, so he says.
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Not only doesn’t this make sense, but Monster isn’t even particularly good cable. It feels thick in your hands; that’s its main selling point.
by Jay on Feb 9, 2010 7:14 AM EST up reply actions
I believe you, just passing on the words I hear. I can see how what he’s saying COULD be true.. but only with great lengths of cable.
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I want to know why I think vinyl often sounds better to me than digital music. I am in no way an audiophile nor have any shred of expertise in the field of acoustics.
What gives?
I've really got to change my signature.
Couple of theories from the CmpE side:
1. Digital Music is a sampling of an analog signal. The electronic equipment measures the sound at a static point in time, then plays these discrete measurements back so that you “hear” a recreation of the analog signal. If it was really poorly sampled, it might sound WORSE. With the current bitrate of digital recordings this is pretty unlikely.
2. Each time a vinyl record (or any analog source) is played, it is slightly degraded by the needle (or heads or whatever.) If these machines were all you ever heard, your ear might adjust to this distortion and it might become more “normal”. I imagine you’ve replaced that eight-track, so this is also unlikely.
3. I would say that 95% of the world listens to their music in a compressed format such as MP3 or AAC. These compression formats are “lossy,” meaning that when their algorithms run against the non-compressed source, some data is lost. The data that is lost is determined to be the frequencies that are outside the audible range of a typical person. It is possible that you are sensitive to these subtle ranges and can pick up the difference. Have you tried listening to a file in a non-lossy format, such as FLAC?
This is a great start, so I’ll just amplify and modify these answers a bit.
1. This is true, but it’s also largely misunderstood that even samples at relatively low rates are essentially perfect, within a given range of frequencies. In other words, if you sample a 1KHz sine wave 3KHz, it is recorded perfectly despite the apparently “low resolution.” Sampling is not really analogous to graphics resolution; it seems similar to “dpi” but really is nothing like that, on a fundamental level. To a great extent, either you can sample a certain frequency or you can’t.
Digital recordings are vastly more accurate than vinyl. They capture a wider range of frequencies, and what they reproduce is vastly less obscured by noise. That does not mean necessarily, however, that you will like the way it sounds better.
2. It is true that past generations are accustomed to the sound of vinyl in a way that will never affect future generations, other than a handful of people. (There’s always a handful who will express a preference for nearly anything.) It is also true that as sound technologies developed, there was a constant striving to reduce distortion and noise, but to the extent those things could no longer be minimized, you would then try to make the distortion as nice sounding as possible. In other words, put the distortion into a part of the sound where it’s doing no harm and may even have a pleasing effect. Clearly both vinyl and analog tape formulations and deck design evolved somewhat in this direction.
Enter digital technology, and noise and distortion drop by orders of magnitude in an instant. There are two problems, though. One is that we didn’t know as much about sampling as we thought we did when CD’s first arrived, so there was a process of improving converter technology, so that “digital” sounds better than it originally did, though on paper it’s no more accurate.
The other problem is that those pleasing distortions that evolved over decades of product design were now gone, with no obvious way to get them back. We also had to wait for a new generation of mastering engineers with a clear understanding of the playback devices and environments that are their true reference targets, in addition to a new generation of recording engineers who wouldn’t be relying on tape to tamp down the harshness of cymbals, for example, and who were more naturally drawn to the potential beauty that ultra-low-noise recording would reveal.
3. Nobody can distinguish reliably between a lossless format and a 256K-variable MP3 unless it’s a real high-quality, ultra-low-noise listening environment. Even in a great listening environment, the difference between a well encoded 320K-variable MP3 and the original CD is vanishingly small. I would never master with MP3, but we reference mixes and make notes on them with MP3 files all the time.
The “lossiness” of certain file formats, while on the one hand a technical fact, is from a perceptual standpoint a figment of the listener’s imagination far more often than not … not unlike Monster cable.
by Jay on Feb 9, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
Good stuff, Jay. I agree with you on the high variable but rate MP3’s. It is quite interesting what listening environments can do for you. For instance, I can’t really hear much difference between my FLAC files and my high variables on the cheap setup I currently have at home. However, when I take my music in to work and play them there (we have some very nice JBL setups for the Audio passes we do on our films), the differences begin to rise to the surface.
And for people that still insist on vinyl, I find it interesting that I’m actually much more like people of the generation before me when it comes to vinyl. I learned about music from my dad, all of which was on vinyl. We probably didn’t own a CD until I was about 12-13, so around 1998. All we had were 33’s and a few 8-tracks. So every time I purchase a new record, I buy the vinyl since most these days will come with a free 320K download, some are even offering FLAC.
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Only sorta related, I just ordered a pair of these badboys for my office:
http://audioengineusa.com/a2_home.php
I’m pretty excited and feel like all of my friends have been keeping these things secret from me.
Not familiar with them, but I really don’t understand why anyone would spend money on a desktop speaker system that wasn’t 2.1. Generally better sound and much smaller footprint on your desk.
These guys are only 6"(H) x 4"(W) x 5.25"(D) to begin with. If I can get better sound without the sub, then why not go for it?
Well, I mean, I bet I can get better sound with some Klipsch RF83s too, but not within 20 in^2 of desk space…
I actually have that ProMedia 2.1 system in my little parlor room (parlor is really all I could think of to call it. I promise it isn’t that pretentious.) They’re a great set, especially if you’re a horn guy. You can usually find them for <$125 if you look around.
That Blue Sky set look nice as well. I have never heard of that company. It’s amazing how many small shops make quality audio stuff.
BlueSky is a high-end pro audio monitor manufacturer. The Exo is sort of an oddball in their lineup. It’s discontinued, and the Exo2 is about to come out.
That little control hub is a game-changer at a computer desk. It accepts three simultaneous inputs (one balanced pair and two unbalanced), provides a real analog attenuator and an easy subwoofer adjustment.
I work in Blu-ray production, so I’ve worked on all sorts, King Kong, MASH, Things We Lost in the Fire, Juno, Little Miss Sunshine, Transformers 2, lots of Bonds… you get the idea. My division doesn’t do actual mixing of course, we just ensure the mixes provided for release are acceptable.
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One more: recording engineers spent decades learning how to equalize analog. The RAII equalization was partially developed to compensate for the mechanical ineffiencies of mechanically stored information to electronic signal. That is a .001mm rise of the analog record surface at 2,000 Hz might produce a 84db tone. The same mechanical rise at 12,000 Hz might produce a 87dB tone. That’s where the equalization comes in.
So when they started using digital almost all of the recording engineers were still living in an analog world. It took some learnin’ to figure out how to equalize digital recordings.
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The RIAA curve you’re talking about only really applies to the mastering stage, preparing the material to be cut to vinyl.
It is true, however, that mix engineers were working around (and with) the frequency response of the analog tape media where their mixes would stored, and later played back for mastering. And of course, the original multitrack recordings were also analog tape. This is what I was talking about above, third paragraph of item #2.
Ever seen that Mr. Show sketch?
“I only listen to vinyl….man, it’s so pure it hurts!”
by cleveland teamer on Feb 9, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
isn’t that the one with that spoof of the beatles, except they only get photographed?
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must be something different…not sure what you’re referring to.
by cleveland teamer on Feb 10, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
Notice I called it television. “TV” is a nickname, and nicknames are for friends, and television is no friend of mine.
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by nickjs21 on Feb 10, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Um, I’m sure it’s great, really, but when you own a studio, the whole audiophile industry starts to look pretty silly.
Spend $2000 on bass traps, then spend $500 on a stereo. This advice by itself is more helpful than any specific brand or product recommendation anyone could ever make.
by Jay on Feb 8, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
Something I’ve noticed lately is the number of songs, including this one, that make some kind of direct appeal to the DJ. Do people do this? I don’t even see DJs when I go out anymore, let alone people constantly shouting at them or telling them to play that last song again. I think that would piss off a lot of other people.
Steel Nick
I’m constantly trying to request the Outfield’s “Your Love.”
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by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Feb 4, 2010 6:10 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Cherry Tavern in the East Village/Alphabet City has it on their juke. True story. Btw, the opening bars of that song have been running through my head almost constantly from the moment i first read your post.
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I was in Alphabet two weeks ago—I would have made everyone switch bars had I known.
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by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Feb 4, 2010 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
And I’m not kidding.
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by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Feb 4, 2010 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
Even Tengu, a sushi place in Westwood has a DJ while you eat dinner. He’s busy noodling with downtempo nonsense, but he’s there — with his laptop most every night.
I've really got to change my signature.
Ask him to blow your speakers up.
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by nickjs21 on Feb 4, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Edison’s Pub in Tremont has a terrible DJ some nights who will play really bad & inconsistent music (the Outfield is actually in his wheelhouse) and will step outside to smoke during the really unlistenable stuff like Meatloaf, Mr. Bungle or Cameo.
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by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 4, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
If I’m on that street, I usually don’t make it past the Treehouse. It’s the one with the toucan on it.
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Edison’s isn’t the same as it was 5 years ago, or I’m not. Either way I rarely find myself in there—or elsewhere on Professor these days. I’ve been limiting myself to Hotz, Lincoln Park Pub or the Rowley Inn when hanging out in Tremont—where I live. More often, I get my beers in Ohio City and a few other spots on the near west side like the Sachsenheim.
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by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 4, 2010 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
Sachsenheim. It’s an 111 year-old social hall for Transylvanian Saxons open to the public. We’re talking 5 dollar liters of German & French beer—and they usually have a keg or two of Fatheads (the brewer occasionally hangs out there) which is also, you guessed it, $5 a liter! I’m often there on Tuesday’s when tacos are 75 cents (the menu includes fish, chorzio, Saxon sausage, ancho chicken and [when in season] venison.) The chef, Grumpy, caters the clubhouse at the Jake on alternating nights so the food is pretty good. Places like this barely exist these days, so you may want to check it out while it still stands. It really is too good to be true. I’m not lying about the 75 cent venison tacos!
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by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 5, 2010 1:22 AM EST up reply actions
Speaking of Tremont, try Big Guy’s pizza for huge, really huge calzones. Sachsenheim is in a unique neighborhood. How’d you find it?
I’d been to a few wakes there, but didn’t know the bar was so great until my wife suggested we stop in to try the 75 cent tacos that were advertized on the sign out front. We’ve been big fans ever since.
I love Big Guys. The Hot & Spicy pizza is no joke!
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by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 5, 2010 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
Finally went there last week. Been wanting to check it out, but they have funny hours. The calzone I bought for $7 could easily feed 4 adults. And it was delicious.
I was in Sachsenheim about 10 years ago. Has it been updated at all?
I lived in Tremont for two years. Is that place called, I believe, the Flying Monkey, still there? Also there was a pizza place that offered something called “the garlic bomb” … was that Big Guy’s?
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Yes, that’s Big Guy’s. No pizza is complete without an entire roasted bulb of garlic in the center!
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by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 5, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
I was in Sachsenheim about 10 years ago. Has it been updated at all?
No, thankfully the place hasn’t been monkeyed with too much since 1926. That’s the charm, right?
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by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 5, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
The brewer/owner/whatever he is (one of them, anyway) is also a regular at the Southside. I met him there last time I went.
Steel Nick
Matt Cole is the brewer and part owner of Fatheads. He’s a rock star in Ohio as far as brewers go and has a nice collection of national awards to back it up. Regardless, he’s a normal dude and very approachable. He’ll talk beer with just about anyone without mentioning his credentials. Maybe that makes him a strike above normal?
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by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 5, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
This whole Tremont thing has me puzzled. Back in the day when I was doing construction work and going to college I usta hitch a ride with Joe Summerville. Joe lived on Starkweather about half way between W14the and W10th. It was an OK neighborhood I guess, but no different than any other working class neighborhood on the West side. I still remember changing a transmission out of a 59 Chrysler in Joe’s front yard, in the rain. The Pyramid Cafe was close by and a couple other shot and beer joints. The Dog Pound – the real one, with dogs – was just up the street. My brother usta deliver Coca-Cola to the Eagle Market in the neighborhood – the one grocery store that was filmed for the “Deer Hunter”.
It goes without saying, but I miss the old neighborhood.
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Tremont is no means what it used to be. The many beautiful small businesses and Eastern Europeans moved out for reasons I care not to go into and can’t fully know. What’s left are small businesses that moved in the last 10 years and and a diverse population of Appalachians, Puerto Ricans, African Americans and the descendants of Eastern Europeans who have recently moved back in. What’s also left is fantastic architecture, a walkable community, and a proximity to downtown (and the ballpark) that cannot be beat. In many ways, this neighborhood is exactly the same. Your nostalgia is my present.
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by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 5, 2010 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
Appalachians – a love the PC terminology. Why not call us what we call ourselves – hillbillys!
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Agreed. My neighbors would take that as a slight. Hillbilly is the preferred nomenclature. Some of the Boricuas would also be OK with being called Jibaritos.
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by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 5, 2010 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
a community ……..that cannot be beat.
Accept for the rent part. Back when I’m talking about a construction laborer with 5 kids could afford a house – actually buy it – on his income alone. This current “low-rent” gentrification has made that impossible.
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Construction worker? This is the midwest. No one is moving here and there’s an overabundance of housing stock. Rents are falling and vacancy is high despite many people transitioning from home-owner to renter. I have friend who had a booming drywall biz a couple years ago. Even he understands that the market for cheap new-builds is gone. Good riddance.
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by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 5, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
Even he understands that the market for cheap new-builds is gone. Good riddance.
Smacks of elitism, don’t you think? We are tranistioning to a service industry society were the low end of the income spectra is no longer within hollering distance from the top 10%. So the world you live in most of these folks are destined to rent a home for all of their natural life, is that right? Most of my generation grew up in 1,000 sq ft bungalows. Hell my dad built a coupla hunnert of ’em. That investment has seen most of those folks through their retirement.
BTW, hanging drywall, roofing are at the low end of the construction spectrum. That’s been a boom and bust business since we got outta livin’ in caves. Check the Local 38 – the Electrians Union or Local 120 – the Pipefitters, and see how many guys are on the bench at the hall. The construction at the Cleveland Clinic alone’s got 25% of those guys workin’.
Ain’t nothing new about the current down turn. Just as they’ll be nothin’ new about the next construction boom.
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elitism
Really?
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by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 5, 2010 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, elitism.
Folks with little income need cheap housing. I’m all for finding a way to bring home ownership back to the Great Unwashed. You want beautiful well maintained homes with clean streets and a sense of community? Give everyone in the community a financial stake in it. You want squalor and filth? Easy, make everyone in the neighborhood a renter. Why should he give a hot damn what happens? He can always move out.
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I thought you were all about the Market Forces ruling, but now i see that your all about the little guy.
I think we agree—don’t get me started on absentee landlords. You probably lived through some riots caused arising from entire neighborhoods of homes & apartments shifting from owners to renters and falling into mutual neglect.
I’m all about living modestly. It’s pretty easy to do in Cleveland. If you want, I can hook you up with a 3 bedroom house with a view of downtown, the river and the mills on two parcels for $100k. No rush though, it’s been on the market for 6 months.
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by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 5, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
Absolutely agree with this. I rented for three years, and while I had absolutely no complaint about about the ownership (who was constantly improving the grounds, painting, etc), most of the residents just didn’t give a damn about their place, because he didn’t have any stake in the place other than the deposit. No way I’d rent again if I didn’t have to.
The good news is that at least where I live, the property values are such that the mortgage on a typical post-WWII bungalow/ranch isn’t that much higher than the rent on a typical apartment.
Among the population is also what used to be termed “yuppies”. Tremont is truly unique and could be even better. Its a shame that it deteriorated as it did in the 70s and 80s. I’ve sometimes thought what it would be like if the Indians (Jacobs) built there, instead of Gateway. Maybe a cozier park, say 30-35K capacity, at Lincoln Park.
I was there last Saturday. The crowd had changed drastically from the last time I was there when there would be no crowd at all on a Saturday night.
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by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 5, 2010 1:24 AM EST up reply actions
Yes those old WWII vets that used to sit next to you at the bar drinking Pabst have been turned into twenty six year old dudes with beards, tight black jeans, greasy hair, bad b.o., but they drink Pabst too.
New ownership, is why its changed, its the Garage basically, just a little less bikerish.
Went to some newer bar in Goose Island a month ago that was pretty decent, (can’t remember the name of it), but the beer wasn’t cheap per se.
You mean Duck? Or were you in Chicago at the brewery?
I only know of Velvet Tango Room and the Duck Island Club (which are pretty far apart on the bar spectrum) in that ’hood.
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by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 5, 2010 1:41 AM EST up reply actions
yeah duck island, sorry about that. I think it was the club that i was at, admittingly only four other people were there at the time including the bar tender, but it seemed alright enough.
That place changes hands pretty regularly. For a while it was full of off-duty strippers, after that it was hipsters, then it was back to a regular neighborhood bar. I once stumbled into a group of young Iraq vets with prosthetics playing pool—which was pretty humbling. Regardless of the scene it’s usually good for a cheap beer.
Velvet Tango charges around $15 bucks a mixed drink and has a really high-brow atmosphere. It amazes me those two place are around the corner from each other, but worlds apart.
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by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 5, 2010 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
Okay, I love Mr. Bungle and Bat Out of Hell is always worth a listen but I have no idea why either of those two would be bar suitable material.
I’ll second the defense of Mr. Bungle.
by cleveland teamer on Feb 4, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
I love Mr. Bungle, but I’d rather hear the whole album as opposed to a snippet wedged between stale top 40 crud.
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by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 4, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
That really is sad. I went to school at OU with a guy who was a legitimate DJ. Labeled himself DJ An-Log, reminded me how skilled one must be to be a bonafide DJ.
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by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Feb 4, 2010 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
It seems to me like every third guy down here is a DJ now, though. Maybe it’s because of Scripps and all the audio production kids, but yeah. I used to be an RA in the dorm where all the College of Communications freshmen lived an they would have actual DJ-offs. They also mattress jousted, but that’s neither here nor there.
I’ve seen some real bad ones, believe me, but this kid was talented. But you do make a good point. And since when did all the Communications College kids get grouped in the same dorm? We weren’t. Wait, I don’t think we were… hmm.
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They’ve all been in Washington at least since I’ve been here, and I’m a senior. I didn’t live there as a freshman mag major and I still regret it.
Well, I haven’t gotten to his art/architecture critique stuff (like From Bauhaus to our House). Although I will say, even reading the wikipedia entry was enough to point out my own internal logic flaws whenever I’m adoring severe and contemporary architecture. I’m a little hesitant to pick them up – because I know that I’ll agree, but I also know that a lot of people thought Wolfe was overreaching and talking about subjects he didn’t know very well.
I, actually, hate Tik Tok. As the Redmond argument goes, you don’t have to gobble up all popculture. You just have to not take your opinion – one way or the other – as “serious” or worst of all (much worst of all) “thoughtful and different.” Some popculture gems border on inarguable – such as some of GaGas work.
I also have a suspicion that Diddy is trying to create his own GaGa in Kei$ha. Did you know that Kei$ha was on The Simple Life as a simple person?
It’s funny, when I think of Mike Redmond, I think “leadership”, when I think of Adam Kennedy, I think “uncertainty.”
Why is that?
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nothing says “uncertainty” like a guy who takes his extra BP fully clothed.
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by Ockus_NYC on Feb 3, 2010 10:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sometimes you need to find good Indians instead of chiefs.
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by Spidey on Feb 7, 2010 12:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Buster Olney reporting that Hudson is down to a choice between Minny and Cleveland. Other outlets reporting the Nats as being out of the race are saying that Minny is more likely, with no mention of Cleveland.
I’m starting to wonder if only MLB Network reporters are getting good sourcing on the TV side of things these days. If Olney truly has this info, it probably came from Hudson’s agent as a ploy to motivate the Twins—or somebody else.
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by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 4, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
I guess I just cant allow myself to understand whats so great about Hudson that the Indians will spend it’s limited budget all on him.
Thats why I just don’t believe even Buster Onley these days.
Thats why I just especially don’t believe even Buster Onley these days 99 percent of the time.
fixed.
I’m sure Buster is a good and decent man, but competing headline-to-headline and click-to-click with morons like Rosenthal is his meal ticket. He’s just as guilty as all the other espn guys.
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that was my point. maybe i didn’t phrase it right.
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nice catch. I was thinking smoke and mirrors. man, how did you get that from that? Impressive.
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Fixed.
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by emd2k3 on Feb 4, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m enjoying this thread. Was just reading over the comments and taking note of who was making them. Reminded me of what a great mix of people we have here (even though the game thread ladies aren’t around). I was starting to lose it toward the end of last year; too many “yahoos” and too much losing, chasing off our familiar favorites. Maybe a season of low expectations will be, in an odd way, a good thing for our enjoyment of the site.
by Jay on Feb 4, 2010 3:09 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
Just to be clear … I’m enjoying the “favorites” of recent vintage right alongside the old-timers.
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by Jay on Feb 4, 2010 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
Aye!
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by MooneysRebellion on Feb 5, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
This tweet is intersting:
Baseball source told me Cle was outbidding Twins for Hudson, but I’m skeptical because Indians have been tight-fisted all winter.
aw, c’mon. be fair. we offered more money for Redmond, didn’t we? And mark grudzielanek didn’t just sign himself.
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by Ockus_NYC on Feb 4, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Also, remember that it’s not that expensive when you’re only paying a guy for half the season.
And sometimes, when you ship him elsewhere and agree to pay him anyway, Carlos Santana appears.
i would be bullish on this idea if we didn’t hang on to carroll all year last year. why did we do that? i’m also bullish on getting valbuena’s service clock fixed. i guess i’m fine with signing a hudson, but that would probably make me bullish on moving a peralta.
shapiro just told castrovince that valbuena needs to work on his range. i dont think thats enough to make the indians move him to 3B at age 23.
but what’s wrong with him being used like maicer izturis? nothing, really.
maicer got a lot of ABs, though, bc kendrick got hurt a lot at 2B, aybar wasn’t give full starting duties at SS right away, and third-base wasn’t figgins’ full time until recently.
on the indians, peralta, cabrera, and hudson would be guys in there pretty regularly. i don’t see where valbuena’s PT would come, unless Jhonny is not playing against tough RHP, which means any RHP with a slider, which means any RHP.
I say, what’s wrong with demoting him for a couple of months and fixing the moronic service time situation Wedge created last year.
by Jay on Feb 4, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
That was the least of Wedge’s problems, and Shapiro didn’t often let him blunder into a service time mistake.
Is the cost going to add up? it’s 2010 Hudson free agent salary vs. 2015 Luis Valbuena salary-league min. salary for 2011. Wouldn’t it just make more sense to demote Valbuena for someone like Mark Grudzielanek under some sort of “he needs to work on (…..) for a couple months”?
First, if Valbuena turns into a significant player, it may well add up to that, yes.
Second, Hudson brings benefits other than this for that money, so it’s not like you can charge this expense to suppressing Valbuena’s service time.
Third, the larger issue arguably is control. We have lost a year of control for Valbuena, over a lousy two weeks in the midst of our lousiest season in over 15 years.
by Jay on Feb 5, 2010 8:00 AM EST up reply actions
I guess my question is did Wedge push for Valbuena to stay on the big league roster? Shouldn’t Shapiro have been able to move Valbuena down whenever he wanted?
I think it’s a flip situation and a pretty decent one. I don’t know what the deal was with Carroll but Shapiro knows how to move vets.
I think the perception is that utility guys can be had on waivers in August, with no talent going back in exchange for the claim. Nobody wanted to spend part of their budget on Carroll when other starters may have become available later. Or, maybe the Indians really wanted him around in 2010 and didn’t want to disrupt the continuity. The two-year offer they made him supports that. Combine that with a lack of mildly interesting prospect offers, and Carroll got to take away ABS from a young player in a meaningless season for the second straight year.
Of Carroll taking ABs?
He played over Marte at 3B in 2008 after Blake was dealt, and he played against lefties down the stretch rather than let Valbuena get ABs in 2009, long after the season was lost.
Then, Shapiro says that Valbuena needs to improve against lefties? Improve? You need your name in the lineup before you can form a baseline on which to improve.
of a skill position player getting moved for prospects in a deadline deal. i’m sure there are plenty, i just can’t think of any. i’m curious of non-santana returns.
yes. either way, ship salary, eat salary. if this is the strategy, i’m curious of other examples of returns. i’m not being lazy, i just can’t think of any other guys that have been dealt recently – that are comparable to hudson, that i can go look up the deals.
freddy sanchez is the best i can come up with. the pirates got Tim Alderson back.
after some suspect googling, i have also found from last year:
Orlando Cabrera netted Tyler Ladendorf
Duh, Mark DeRosa netted Perez and Todd
Julio Lugo netted Chris Duncan
Felipe Lopez netted Cole Gillespie and Roque Mercedes
Yuniesky Betancourt netted Dan Cortes and Derrick Saito
Betancourt was traded for the host of MTV Sports?
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in perception, belliard is a quasi-starter, whereas carroll never was. and if belliard or hudson get hot (and belliard did), some crazy things can happen. when carroll gets hot, what happens? a few more hits to the right side?
Is Hudson such a sure bet to stay healthy so we can flip him at the deadline? I mean I like the upside of signing him with the intent of turning him into pieces for the future, but if the reports about his asking price are correct, it’s a pretty risky gamble. Not to mention the fact that you’d have to play him every day, while Valbuena should be getting his much needed development time in the majors.
Isn’t it also worrysome that this is the second offseason in a row where he’s been looking for a team late in the winter?
That, or maybe the Indians are looking to field a “Better Late Than Never” squad of guys they’ve allegedly pursued in the past with austin kearns, orlando hudson, jason bay (he’s grady’s best friend!!), trevor hoffman and Adam Dunn. Owned by George Steinbrenner.
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Nice one. I also couldn’t remember a starting pitcher that we either A) pursued; B) were believed to have pursued; or C) hoped to pursue, inevitably leading to bloated rumors that we were pursuing.
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Absolutely not. But when were we supposedly talking to him? Pre-Boston? Between contracts? this one I don’t remember.
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I seem to remember his name thrown about in the mid to late ’90s when he was still in Philly. 1997 rings a bell and I believe we were one of five teams that were in the running in 2000 when he was ultimately traded to AZ. He was pretty much a perennial favorite when it came to trade rumors in Cleveland in the late ’90s.
There was some occasion when the rumors were flying and he got a huge ovation as a visiting player at the Jake. Possibly the 1997 All-Star Game.
by Jay on Feb 5, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
I believe you’re right. The rumors were hot. Because of that he received a loud ovation at Jacob’s Field. Wonder what, or who, held up that deal?
I’m not sure that there was much to the rumors. I could be wrong, as I base this on the fact that he wasn’t traded until three full seasons later. I don’t remember the details as much with Schilling as I do with Randy Johnson a year later. If there were serious discussions, it could be that the Philly was simply asking too much; a la Seattle in ‘98. I believe that Seattle wanted a haul from Cleveland (Giles, Sexton, Wright, others?) and we simply weren’t going to send that much major league ready talent.
Hart’s stubborn refusal to place a high value on a front-line pitcher, most likely.
by Jay on Feb 5, 2010 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
Pedro, Schilling, and Randy Johnson were all very close to becoming Indians at some point. We were always right there in the negotiations for all 3.
We were always in second place, is where we were. RIght up at the table, waiting to see if someone wanted to overpay. Someone almost always does.
by Jay on Feb 6, 2010 1:58 AM EST up reply actions
Supposedly we could have had Pedro from the Expos for Jaret Wright but the Indians didn’t want to do that (understandable, considering how he pitched in ‘97, and there was concern that Pedro would break down physically because of his build so he wasn’t worth a huge contract). Imagine how the late 90’s/early 00’s would have been different if we had made that trade.
I don’t think it was so understandable. Pedro was two years from free agency when that deal went down, and if you look at his numbers, it appears that he hadn’t missed a start for four entire seasons up to that point.
I meant it was understandable that the Indians wouldn’t want to give up a young guy like Wright who looked like he could be a future star for 2 years of Pedro with no guarentee that he’d sign a long-term contract. I’m not sure how much the durability concernes of Pedro had to do with anything but I do remember hearing concerns about it which is why I mentioned it.
by Buckeye Brad on Feb 6, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
I know they thought Wright could be something special but Martinez was already there. Look at that 1997 season, an ERA+ of 219 for a sub .500 team at 25 years old. I can’t understand why you don’t pull the trigger on that, even without the hindsight of what was to come.
Having a sub-.500 team doesn’t really affect the ERA+ much.
by Jay on Feb 7, 2010 8:32 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe you could say it indicates a poor defense? Or at least not a good defense.
by Gradyforpresident on Feb 7, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
In a very small way, yes, but the correlation is just not going to be that strong. Too many other factors.
by Jay on Feb 7, 2010 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
(a) Yes.
(b) I’ve been thinking lately that the credit squeeze has a lot of things doing things that are a little head-scratchy financially, or more specifically, not being willing to do certain things.
by Jay on Feb 4, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
that tweet, at least, is from a star-tribune beat guy. Although there’s no guarantee he’s not the Paul Hoynes of Minneapolis, either.
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reply fail. Meant for JPFrost’s twitter link up the thread.
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It’s amusing to think of the Twins and Indians in a “bidding war.”
AGENT: We’d really like something around $5 or $6 million.
CLE: One million, 400 thousand.
MINN: One million, 410 thousand!
CLE: One million, 411 thousand!
AGENT: /sigh…
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Feb 4, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions 11 recs
MARLINS (Pushing away from table after bidding reached $750K): Too rich for my blood….
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well, we can put the Hudson deal to bed if this report is true:
Reported close earlier, but Hudson is a done deal to Twins.
Hopefully that epic disaster mammoth historical snow storm coming puts it out!
by Gradyforpresident on Feb 4, 2010 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
OK, this false fire alarm that’s been ringing for a half hour is really, really annoying.
by Gradyforpresident on Feb 4, 2010 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
Just doing my part for the post number.
by Gradyforpresident on Feb 5, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
One thousand posts about Adam Kennedy? I’m reluctant to help with that. You all are such sticklers about grammar.
Did I pass?
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
Oh, and could you get Mike Adams for the bullpen, please?
Your going to have to try harder than that.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Feb 4, 2010 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
Grammer*. I hate when people get that spelling wrong.
by joeee on Feb 5, 2010 1:22 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Looks like the premise of this post is now a moot point, anyway. And with Hudson off the table too, it looks like it’s just zoning regulations and Tremont bars – and possible grammar lessons – from here on out. Let’s get a thousand!
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In case I missed it, did anyone want either of these guys in a Tribe uni next year?
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by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 5, 2010 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
Well, we could talk about what Adam Kennedy brings to the Nationals.
I've really got to change my signature.
I think I’m going to go to a few Nationals games this summer. Phil? Anyone else in the area? Any series stand out?
by Gradyforpresident on Feb 5, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think I’ve ever been down in, what, Navy Yard, yes?
by Gradyforpresident on Feb 5, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
a second year? what must they know about valbuena?
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i’m glad he did, though. aren’t you? if, in fact, this was the offer.
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However, deal was backloaded. Lots of $$$ in buyout of 3rd-yr. option.
So Hudson would have been giving up control for 2011 and 2012. He’s still in the mode of playing for a larger multi-year deal at some point. If he takes the Indians’ offer, he’s probably never getting that longer, larger deal.
Makes perfect sense that he turned it down and no reflection on the Indians. I don’t even see it as a bad reflection on Valbuena, Donald, etc. Those guys are young, and they have options. Hudson is a great asset with that contract, regardless of if or when you flip him or keep him.
by Jay on Feb 5, 2010 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
i feel like they’re clearance shopping. if there’s a good sale, they might buy it, even if they don’t need it.
Like when I bought that parachute!
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by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 5, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I replied from LGT’s Twitter account:
@Ken_Rosenthal From Hudson’s persepctive, Indians deal wasn’t really “high bid,” since he’d give up hope of a bigger payday in 2011 or 2012.
Betcha he repeats this point in the next day or two.
by Jay on Feb 5, 2010 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
As Jay says, nobody really worth looking into….but I have a feeling another former Red might get a look, AKA Felipe Lopez.
Just a hunch though, the Indians apparently really wanted to add a 2nd baseman, although, a solid fielding one.
How about we get John Lannan and Ryan Zimmerman?
Speaking of which… guys, remember when we tried naming the Nats rotation without looking?
"I'm a baseball lifer. It's what I do." —Manny Acta
I was mostly right.
http://www.letsgotribe.com/2009/8/18/993024/indians-sign-first-rounder-pick#19838361
"I'm a baseball lifer. It's what I do." —Manny Acta
Is Matt Chico still around?
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Feb 6, 2010 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
i’m glad i’m at the computer. i’m going to wait till it seems like chuck and the gang are almost done. then, i’ll have read (z’d) most of the new comments, where the rest of you will come on here tomorrow or monday and have all these new comments to sift through.
Is it me, or is that plate is to fancy for a calzone? [I only did the italics because you guys did.]
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by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 5, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
It means “sock” or “pants”. The food thing is a reference to a “bigga socka”.
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
I don’t think I’ve ever had a calzone.
by Gradyforpresident on Feb 6, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
No calzone in Iowa? Even with witness protection?
by Jay on Feb 6, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I wasn’t about to get one from Pizza Hut.
by Gradyforpresident on Feb 6, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
Yes you have, but no one folded it in half and put the sauce in a cup instead of on the dough under the cheese. It was called a pizza.
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by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 6, 2010 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
that place ran the old cup o’ pizza place out of business.
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Was there ever really a cup-o-pizza place or was that just in the Jerk?
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by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 6, 2010 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
Are we still going for 1,000? I’ll use this space to announce the birth of my son, and Junkballer’s nephew, Tristan Dexter, on Friday morning. He weighed just under seven pounds, is completely healthy, and has already been informed he will cheer for the Indians, Browns, and Cavs.
by Brad D on Feb 7, 2010 12:12 PM EST reply actions 10 recs
Very hearty congratulations on young master T.D. I am sorry that he has to shoulder such heavy burdens so quickly. But, as Kingsley Amis so wisely noted,
Life is mainly grief and labor;
Two things get you through:
Chuckling when it hits your neighbor,
Whinging when it’s you.
He might as well get started early.
That is Tristan and my daughter Hope. It’s also a huge picture so I hope it doesn’t kill load times.
by Brad D on Feb 8, 2010 2:07 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Congrats! You gonna call him Tris’ or Spoke?
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by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 7, 2010 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
Congrats!
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Feb 8, 2010 6:21 AM EST up reply actions
How bout that Super Bowl? I bet at least one Indian, former Indian, or, um, guy who has been to an Indian game was there.
Two little talked about items worth noting:
1. The Saints had never been in a Super Bowl prior to yesterday.
2. Peyton Manning could have cemented his legacy with a win yesterday.
commercials. they too play a big part in all that is the super bowl. some may not know this, but the add space during the big game is quite pricey. did you know that some people watch the games more for the commercials than for the game itself?
I know we’re goofing around here, but I thought a couple commercials stood out above the pack. Granted, I saw maybe 1/4 of them, since my crew kept flipping over to the puppy bowl on animal planet.
I liked the Doritos commercials and the ones with the panicked chickens—I think the latter was for Denny’s. There’s just something about a barnyard animal in humans clothing that I find irresistibly funny.
The Letterman-Leno-Oprah commercial was easily the highlight for me.
by VA tribe fan on Feb 8, 2010 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
I’m pretty sure this was one of his first commercials. And still my favorite. It blew me away that he could actually deliver the joke how it was supposed to be read.
Steel Nick
How ’bout that Serie del Caribe? Who would have thought Venezuela would have played so poorly?
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by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 8, 2010 2:15 PM EST reply actions
they do if you watch all the games half passed out through a beer bottle, the way i do.
by Brick. on Feb 8, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
To help with the post count:
Kyle Farnsworth will be lengthened out to a starter.
I am so glad I have the Extra Innings package.
Steel Nick
Any word on if Extra Innings will go full time HD this season? Might have an impact on if I purchase any sort of package.
my building just signed a contract to swtich the whole building to uverse. it’s my understanding i will no longer be able to get MLB network or Extra Innings. I can however get the 5000 channel package and get STO, i guess. not sure if games would be blacked out. anyone know how that works?
They’re paying him $4.5 mil. I guess their attitude is that this is the way to get Farnsworth’s monies worth.
The Royals are scheduled to spend $70mil in 2010, compared with the Indians’ $50 mil payroll.
But…but…but, the Royals are showing their fans that they’re serious about winning by being active this off-season.
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