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Snip from the SF Chronicle.

I checked in with another of the A's remaining unsigned free agents, infielder Adam Kennedy, today, and he said that he's still talking to Cleveland and Washinghton, but it seems as everything is on hold until Orlando Hudson decides where he's going.

"Something should happen once he figures it out," Kennedy said.

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by dgcambridge on Feb 3, 2010 7:42 PM EST reply actions  

Well, he is the poster child for everyone’s favorite intangible skill: grit.

That, and come one: if you had to choose between DC and Cleveland…who would pick DC? Just the cities alone, I think, would make it a given.

by Oscar_the_Dog on Feb 3, 2010 8:26 PM EST reply actions  

D.C. has much to commend it.

I think, on choosing a one-year deal between two non-contenders, it would come down to the largest guarantee, which in many cases would come down to which roster afforded the best chance of making the 25-man roster.

by Jay on Feb 3, 2010 9:24 PM EST up reply actions  

i can’t tell if this is a joke or not.

by emil minty on Feb 3, 2010 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I can’t either, but I might be biased. I like Cleveland a lot, but my love of DC borders on irrational.

by VA tribe fan on Feb 3, 2010 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

DC’s the hottest thing around in my view.

by jhon on Feb 4, 2010 1:48 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s probably one of the few cities in the US that has a more squalid inter-urban area than Cleveland – excepting Detroit of course.

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by mauichuck on Feb 4, 2010 2:25 AM EST up reply actions  

And it makes sense that a guy making hundreds of thousands of dollars at a minimum would get a nice urban apartment.

by Matt in LA on Feb 4, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

20 years behind. Why don’t you check up on it now, and then take Brad on the tour of Cleveland while you’re at it?

by jhon on Feb 4, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Holler Columbia Heights.

As General Manager of this team, I demand to know when I'm getting a start.

by bigbrabbs on Feb 4, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t, unless you wanna get stabbed

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by Turkmenbashi on Feb 4, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Holler back. I miss it there. I moved outta DC. Thought about flying in for the snowball fight on U St last month.

by jhon on Feb 4, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Still the same ol’ neighborhood

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by Turkmenbashi on Feb 4, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s a shame. I’ll assume I didn’t know those two.

by jhon on Feb 4, 2010 8:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah man, I’m there too! I saw some guy with a Tribe hat in Giant once…maybe that was you?

by cleveland teamer on Feb 4, 2010 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Could’ve been. Ill bust out my Hafner jersey in April and then you can be sure.

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by bigbrabbs on Feb 6, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Sure, NW DC is great. People forget that there are three other quadrants. This is not to say I’m knocking DC. The city I love more than any other, Cleveland, is certainly pretty bad off and has plenty of terrible areas. I like DC, I just don’t think it’s the be-all-end-all up-and-coming city. It has a lot of good things going for it, but the city’s governance borders on criminal. That’s something DC and Cleveland share.

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by Turkmenbashi on Feb 4, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, NY and DC have the highest effective average rent per square foot in the nation by far. DC, however, is trending upward and NY rent is going way, way down.

by joeee on Feb 4, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Saw a presentation about real estate markets at the Ross Biz school last night. NYC has low vacancy rates.

Many bad signs with Atlanta.

by jhon on Feb 4, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Many bad signs with Atlanta.

Atlanta has seriously screwed itself with the lack of any concept of coherent urban planning

by APV on Feb 4, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

People often assume that when cities are lousy, there must not have been a plan. Well, more often there was a plan, but it was a bad one. Atlanta is one of the best examples of a city that’s too heavily invested in automotive transit.

From a developer’s perspective, the rents in Atlanta are so cheap (like nearly $1 a sf) and the market so oversupplied that they’re pretty much stuck with what they’ve got for the foreseeable future. No one wants to touch Atlanta right now.

by jhon on Feb 4, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m sure Atlanta had some kind of a plan. But they also had no kind of vision and a decided lack of appropriate zoning regulation. They never should have allowed the city to develop in such a way that many of the main arteries of the city were essentially residential streets. They should have recognized the problem of massive flight first to the Northern, and then to the Southern suburbs earlier and made plans for a reasonable metro-transit system.

by APV on Feb 4, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s amazing how many cities you could say something similar about. Planners back in the post war era just did not give a **** about anything but cars.

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by Turkmenbashi on Feb 4, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Planning as a subject is immensely complicated, but a couple of observations: Much of what we see around us today is a result of attitudes dating back a century or more. Intelligent and empathic people looked at the city, circa 1900, as a miasma of disease, overcrowding, poverty and crime, and searched for remedies (the City Beautiful movement being one of these). Unspoken behind some––not all––of these attitudes is a certain elite hostility toward the clamor of the city. You will see, in many a newspaper and magazine article in 1930s New York, for instance, that “tenement” and “filthy slum” are synonyms, and it was a logical step to tear down those cramped 3- and 4- and 5-story brick buildings and replace them with things like Stuyvesant Town, which have 10,000 residents in multiple 11-story buildings, tucked away from urban chaos, with lots of greenspace around them. But what you gain in quietude you lose in liveliness. It took people like Jane Jacobs in the 1950s and ’60s to point out the strengths of human-scale neighborhoods, and how they work. The next point is that in the rural and small-town world, the big box and the chain have absolutely eviscerated downtowns, and one big reason for that is that planners in these areas have been unschooled in how to ask for concessions from these businesses, how to utilize the codes in place to retain the feel of their town, to curb the sprawl that results in that endless strip mall leading away from, not into, the community in question. At any rate, decisions once made set forth very powerful forces that can take decades to reveal themselves and decades more to undo or amend.

by YoDaddyWags on Feb 4, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s hard to imagine developers imagining what Stuy Town would become in less than a generation, though.

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by Ockus_NYC on Feb 4, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m talking about the current battle over there that now has Trump and LeFrak entering the conversation. It was originally supposed to be a haven for the urban middle class and (assuming the economy recovers) it’ll be disney land in a decade.

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by Ockus_NYC on Feb 4, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

It is a financial horrorshow for the tenants at the moment. I didn’t know Trump was lurking. I think that it did serve very well as a haven for the middle class. Interestingly, my wife a baby in Peter Cooper Village but her parents nonetheless decamped for the suburbs when she was two.

by YoDaddyWags on Feb 4, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, duh, everybody knows that.

by Jay on Feb 4, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I sure don’t mean to yammer at the cognoscenti.

by YoDaddyWags on Feb 4, 2010 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Amazingly, I kinda did… sorta

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by Turkmenbashi on Feb 4, 2010 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Houston, Texas has no zoning laws. None. It’s indistinguishable from DC or Detroit or Cleveland for that matter.

I’m sorry, but for once I’m a Market Forces guy. If you can afford it and can built it, go on ahead..

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by mauichuck on Feb 5, 2010 9:06 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s indistinguishable from DC or Detroit or Cleveland

Whoa, that’s really subjective. When it comes to architecture Houston is nothing like those three. When it comes to pre/post-automotive layout it only resembles Detroit.

If you’re trying to say Houston is a nightmare, I, and some others, agree with you.

No, not you. Your helmet!

by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 5, 2010 9:55 PM EST up reply actions  

No what I’m saying is that Houston is as livable – and yes, that’s subjective – as any of those cities. Affordable housing – check, ease of transportation, DC a little better but not much, NIght Life – Houston by a mile, Culture – maybe not Culture with a capitol “C”, but if you wanna hear great jazz, zedeco, blues, C&W Houston’s got it all over DC or Detroit, sports, I’m a little biased here since the guys who ran/run to two biggest venues usta work for my father-in-law, but ya gotta love thier arena/stadia. Now some of this has nothing to do with zoning, but everything to do with living.

Bottom line, I’ve been to DC a lot, lived in Cleveland, Denver, Philly area, LA, Maui, and I’ll take Houston over any of ’em – save Cleveland of course

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by mauichuck on Feb 5, 2010 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Watch that link. I think Kunstler speaks your vernacular—and I mean that as a compliment.

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by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 5, 2010 10:09 PM EST up reply actions  

What a pompous doofus.

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by mauichuck on Feb 5, 2010 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Join the club.

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by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 5, 2010 10:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Here’s one of my favorited quote:

His disinclination towards the term “consumer” in lieu of “citizen” really wraps up his lack of faith in capitalism as a sustainable endpoint for humankind. All his ideas generously lend to much more people-oriented, life-conducive, communal living— places built for people, not money.

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by mauichuck on Feb 5, 2010 10:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Good point, people over profit? Society never tumbles when it favors the wants of few over the needs of many! What a doof!

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by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 5, 2010 10:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Lots of interpretation of “the wants of a few”. Kuntsler one of the few too.

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by mauichuck on Feb 5, 2010 10:23 PM EST up reply actions  

So was Marx.

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by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 5, 2010 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Houston requires detached houses to have a minimum lot size of 5,000 feet or, since 1998 in some inner areas, 3500 square feet. Townhouses are required to have a lot size of at least 2250 square feet or, in some areas since 1998, 1400 square feet plus 600 square feet of open space. Apartment buildings must provide at least 1.25 parking spaces per apartment. Homes must have parking for at least two vehicles per lot. Hospitals must provide 2.2 parking spaces per bed. Shopping centers must provide 4-5 parking spaces per 1,000 square feet of gross floor area. Structures abutting major thoroughfares must be set back at least 25 feet from the street. Major streets must have a 100-foot right of way, and smaller ones 50-60 feet. Intersections along major roads have to be at least 600 feet apart. While restrictive covenants in subdivisions do the work of zoning in separating business from residential uses, city code empowers the city attorney to enforce these private covenants. All of these regulations have served to create a city that drives more than any other, that commutes via public transport less than any other, and whose citizens spend 20% of their income on transportation, second only to Dallas. I don’t know a lot about urban zoning, and I’ve never been to Houston, so I can’t tell you what it’s like to live and work there. Describing all this as being a place of “no zoning laws. None,” however, seems less than accurate.

by YoDaddyWags on Feb 5, 2010 10:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Ya got me, but ya gotta remember, I left Houston in 1992. All of this might have happened since, but I’m pretty positive it’s ain’t retro-active. In fact I’ll bet that 95% of Houston was built before 1998.

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by mauichuck on Feb 5, 2010 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Many of these requirements date from 1940, and some requirements were loosened in 1998. Houston’s voters have rejected zoning in 1948, 1962 and 1994. My point is simply that Houston regulates development in ways that look a lot like other places. It may not be called zoning, but Houston’s regulations have shaped the way it looks and how it works just like zoning has in New York or Washington, D.C.

by YoDaddyWags on Feb 5, 2010 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Here’s what I remember: you could open a store, a bar, a beauty palor, a used car lot, any damn place you wanted in Houston. Just as long as you could afford the price.

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by mauichuck on Feb 5, 2010 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Strip clubs next to churches.

by odradek on Feb 6, 2010 12:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Sin, and repent in as little time as possible!

I've really got to change my signature.

by emd2k3 on Feb 6, 2010 12:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Or as Lewis Black joked, a Starbucks across the street from a Starbucks.

by The Grimace on Feb 6, 2010 1:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Lots of good architecture in Houston. Rothko Chapel, Cullinan Hall, metal homes in Memorial Bend. Nice housing.

by odradek on Feb 6, 2010 2:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I disagree with Memorial Bend. Some of those homes are cheap imitations of the thoughtfully designed ones and lack inner charm and intelligent lay-out. The irony is that they’ve demolished quite a few of the nice ones in the past couple years and rebuilt multi-story McMansions™ because apparently in Texas, homes built in the 1950s are too old.

You can point out plenty of cool buildings in Houston much like any large city, but there isn’t a cohesion at all and the buildings are disparately located. I’m sure the 2 million plus residents of Houston disagree with me.

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by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 6, 2010 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

apparently in Texas, homes built in the 1950s are too old.

You ever been to Galveston?

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by mauichuck on Feb 6, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Set backs are awesome! Whoever coined that term for zoning was a genius.

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by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 5, 2010 10:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Atlanta’s a great case-study in this, but this pattern is so typical.

Zoning regulations are what create those exclusionary land use zones you describe. Alternative (or fewer) regulations enable mixed uses. Many municipalities use the PUD (Planned Unit Development) to break from the rigidity of their zoning codes, but those are applied piecemeal and still restrain markets.

The single-family use zone is hard to break, even when the logic of a free land use market would dictate otherwise. Silicon Valley is a great example of this. Land use is probably our most tightly regulated market.

by jhon on Feb 4, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

In many a rural community, the idea of concentrated development that leaves a large majority of land publicly accessible and undeveloped is one that is gaining adherents. In practical terms, zoning codes are enforced to the extent that their communities want to enforce them: there’s a lot of leeway, for good and bad, built in.

by YoDaddyWags on Feb 4, 2010 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you actually referring to right-to-farm laws?

In many a rural community, zoning hasn’t been enabled or it’s very minimal. The common law nuisance becomes the de facto zoning policy.

by jhon on Feb 4, 2010 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I wasn’t; I was thinking of my own experience as a (brand new) member of my town’s ZBA, and stories from my spies on the planning board. I would think every town would gain from the implementation of zoning regulations, since they can be tailored to the desires of the community, can remain malleable (to an extent), and provide some protection from waking up one day looking out at some surprising evil you had never expected.

by YoDaddyWags on Feb 4, 2010 7:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Zoning will do what the state enabling legislation allows a city to do with it.

I’m obviously very critical of so-called euclidean zoning. I really like Harvard law prof. Gerald Frug’s perspective on this subject.

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by jhon on Feb 4, 2010 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ll check out Prof. Frug, thanks. And in case people don’t know this, that’s your own Euclid, OH he’s talking about, not a Greek math genius.

by YoDaddyWags on Feb 4, 2010 11:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Very true. Moore v. East Cleveland is another important land use law case to have reached the highest court that’s close to home. Sympathetic plaintiff. In there you’ll find a dissenting opinion from a justice who argues Mrs. Moore should have first appealed to the ZBA for a variance.

by jhon on Feb 4, 2010 11:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Wait, did I get this right: the conservatives didn’t want grandma to be allowed to live with her grandsons? New York State limitations on ZBA discretion are quite strict, by the way, and I’m not sure granny would have gotten anywhere with us.

by YoDaddyWags on Feb 4, 2010 11:36 PM EST up reply actions  

The majority agreed.

by jhon on Feb 4, 2010 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Or, you’re talking about “green belts” of transfered development rights.

Interesting stuff, but not related to the urban zoning questions we were getting into.

by jhon on Feb 4, 2010 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Seems like the Olympics would have been a good time for Atlanta to develop a legitimate metro-transit system. They built a rinky dink fragment of one at the time, didn’t they? A sorry missed opportunity.

by jhon on Feb 4, 2010 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

The MARTA? It is very inconvenient for me because I visit my friend who lives very close to the city and very near a MARTA but to get to the station I would be with my other friend or my aunt who both live in suburbs and at least 45 minutes from a MARTA station.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Feb 4, 2010 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

You know, I’ve always thought the same about Cleveland and using the boom of the Gateway opening to make the RTA rapid bounds better. I’ve never ridden the Green or Blue lines but the Red Line (west side) is terrible. The trains were old and outdated in 1994 (still the same trains in use) and the stations were a urine scented mess. Now they have remodeled most of the stations, but they’ve either not maintained them after the remodel or they half-assed it. It seems the only thing good they did with the boon from the mid 90’s was create the Waterfront line, but even that suffers in that it primarily serves a dead Flats area.

by The Grimace on Feb 6, 2010 2:45 AM EST up reply actions  

btw I’m talking about multi-family housing rates with the $1 s.f. quote.

Commercial and retail markets in Atlanta are in the toilet, obviously, as they are just about everywhere else. DC’s different; they’re in not great but still decent shape right now. Go figure.

by jhon on Feb 4, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

When we start talking about the intricacies of certain cities is when I start betting the over on 1,000.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Feb 4, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I won’t bet against you. Just wait’ll Chuck wakes up!

by jhon on Feb 4, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

and i was just about to launch into my defense of the Robert Moses brand of urban planning.

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by Ockus_NYC on Feb 4, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Ya know, I try to be a good little new urbanist, but I can’t slog through that Jane Jacobs book. I’ve read like half of it and am really bored…

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by Turkmenbashi on Feb 4, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s not that well written. Caro’s Power Broker is a masterpiece.

by jhon on Feb 4, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, maybe it’s just me, but something about her writing style…

"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay

by Turkmenbashi on Feb 4, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I was kidding about defending Moses, but if you’re up for it, try reading The Power Broker. It’s much more lively Jacobs’ “Great Life and Death….” It’s page count is up over a grand, but I wouldn’t define it as a slog.

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by Ockus_NYC on Feb 4, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I figured you were. Two recommendations for the Power Broker means I should probably check it out.

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by Turkmenbashi on Feb 4, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

There are a few seminal ideas in Jacobs that you can probably get from googling, if you don’t want to finish it. A third hearty rec for Caro here. Mario Cuomo’s Forest Hills Diary is a pretty interesting look at on-the-ground negotiation of an intricate housing question in 1970s Queens.

by YoDaddyWags on Feb 4, 2010 6:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Since 1986, only Mrs. Cuomo has had “tantalizing” and “Mario” in the same thought balloon.

by YoDaddyWags on Feb 4, 2010 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

A good part of the Democratic Party found Mario quite tantalizing circa 1991, if memory serves. But that’s for another time and place.

by Jay on Feb 4, 2010 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, I guess you’re right. I was thinking of the 1984 keynote speech and aftermath, and forgot how long the flirtation lasted.

by YoDaddyWags on Feb 4, 2010 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Portland, Maine. It’s the new Portland.

by jhon on Feb 4, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Taxation without representation!

Oh, wait, city governance …

by Gradyforpresident on Feb 4, 2010 8:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Here was my introduction to DC. My wife and I were trying to get to Arlington from the north side of DC and took the outer belt around the east side of Washington, and got lost. At about 10 PM I pulled off the freeway – somewhere on the east side of town, here I think – into a McDonald’s to ask for directions. I was met by not one but two armed rent-a-cops who told me how to get to Arlington and followed up with, “if I were you I’d get my ass outta here”. Needless to say they had impressed me with the need to leave the area. I got back on (a) freeway, managed to screw that up since it turned into a surface street. Next thing I know I’m in the middle of some kinda drug drive-thru strip mall located amongst some red brick four story apartment complexes with 13 yo kids in white t-shirts five sizes too big for them asking me at every stoplight if I wanted to “score”. Finally saw the Capitol in the distance and headed for it; somehow got on I-395 and headed for Alexandria. Let’s just say it was one of my more exciting detours.

I’ve been back since. I got one friend – the one with the Corvette license “GOTRIBE” who lives near 7 Locks and Cabin John – nice little neighborhood, kinda looks like Chagrin Falls without the horses. Been over to Turk’s neighborhood, helped a friend of mine put a boiler in his daughters house near there. Most 40’s vintage 1,000 sq ft bungalows a little seedy but nobody – as far as I know – was killing middle-aged women by the boatload like in Mt. Pleasant.

Bottom line: DC has some very, very nice areas and it’s expensive. But then again the under belly is ugly, real ugly. All and all as a Nation’s Capitol, it’s an embarrassment.

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by mauichuck on Feb 5, 2010 8:32 PM EST up reply actions  

But a quite well representation of the country …

by Gradyforpresident on Feb 6, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I would take Cleveland 100 times out of 10 over DC. But my love for Cleveland borders on the irrational.

"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay

by Turkmenbashi on Feb 4, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s irrational, but I respect the way you frame your preference.

/fist bump

by jhon on Feb 4, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

100 times out of 10
borders on the irrational

by APV on Feb 4, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Nothing against him as a human being, but Adam Kennedy is not good.

by Roger Dorn on Feb 3, 2010 8:31 PM EST reply actions  

he was a good defensive 2B

by APV on Feb 3, 2010 8:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, this is true, but I am worried about next year.

by Roger Dorn on Feb 3, 2010 8:34 PM EST up reply actions  

The best thing we can do for our developing pitchers is to give them good defense.

by Jay on Feb 3, 2010 9:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Signing Adam Kennedy would make Valbuena less important, which would bring up the guy we traded for him, who could have REALLY helped in this area.

"I'm a baseball lifer. It's what I do." —Manny Acta

by westbrook on Feb 3, 2010 9:54 PM EST up reply actions  

The best thing we can do for our developing pitchers is to give them good defense.

our pitching staff in 2003 would’ve been thrilled with this (possible) development, then.

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by Ockus_NYC on Feb 3, 2010 10:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Stop you’re worrying – unless you’re worrying about finishing in front ot the Royals.

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by mauichuck on Feb 3, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I am not worried about finishing in front of the Royals.

by Roger Dorn on Feb 4, 2010 8:51 AM EST up reply actions  

You need to start.

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by mauichuck on Feb 5, 2010 8:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Chone’s got my back.

by Roger Dorn on Feb 6, 2010 12:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think we have to say it in past tense. I know UZR didn’t like him last year, but his UZR career stats at 2B match the traditional scouting opinion that he’s a good defensive middle infielder. He’s a bit older, but I bet that UZR rebounds next year.

What doesn’t make sense is that he’s a LHB without much success against lefties lately, not a complement to Valbuena at all.

by xrickx on Feb 3, 2010 9:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I’m not seeing much of a match, especially if the plan is to give Valbuena most of the starts at second.

by Ryan on Feb 3, 2010 9:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe that’s not the plan. Maybe the FO has serious concerns about Valbuena’s defense, and his bat isn’t so special that it would make up for that.

I’m starting to rethink Valbuena.

by dgcambridge on Feb 4, 2010 1:26 AM EST up reply actions  

You’ll change your mind the first time you see him hit a line drive.

Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile

by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Feb 4, 2010 6:08 AM EST up reply actions  

OR RUN MIGUEL OLIVO OVER.

I've really got to change my signature.

by emd2k3 on Feb 4, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I was eating MickeyD fries and getting plastered with my hipster Family Guy Club when I read what that hack Tom Wolfe wrote about when Britney was on Leno, talking about how the experienced and mentoring J. K. Galbraith was a lousy choice to be the new Case Western mascot, but I couldn’t tell if she was joking. Does this help?

by YoDaddyWags on Feb 3, 2010 8:58 PM EST reply actions  

You know what? This did help.

by joeee on Feb 3, 2010 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m surprised that Tom Wolfe’s The Painted Word never came up once in that whole discussion. You were so close. I suppose his attitudes about style, taste, craft, etc. are evident in his other works, but in it Wolfe directly addresses some of the themes you discussed (and would probably agree with you, if I followed your argument).

You know me, I love pop music as much as anyone. I love top-40 for its newness (and picking up on nods to pop music history) but l’m bothered by a spate of anachronisms in several current hits, such as the artist Kesha singing about playing her favorite CDs on her way to parties, or GaGa’s new single imploring us to stop blowing up her “telephone.” Kesha’s hit is titled “tik-tok,” no less, even though clocks no longer tick-tock. The internal logic of her song is also faulty. If we follow the song linearly, she “[brushes] her teeth with a bottle of Jack,” before getting a pedicure and trying on clothes. Weird.

I don’t expect much from the lyrics—I’d rather be able to ignore the lyrics altogether—but “tik tok” is meant to be an anthem of sorts. The lyrics should be better than this if they drive the song.

Can I argue with the obvious success of “tik tok?” Not well. But will this hit be remembered as anything other than an oddity? I doubt it.

by jhon on Feb 4, 2010 1:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Was talking to a girl this week about that very song. She thought that it was a terrible way to make music; I will write and sing fifty of those if I get #1 single-type money.

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by westbrook on Feb 4, 2010 1:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh, no doubt. Money is real.

by jhon on Feb 4, 2010 1:50 AM EST up reply actions  

as evidenced by the “$” in the spelling of her name.

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by Ockus_NYC on Feb 4, 2010 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

If you listen carefully, you can still hear a Rolex go “tick-tock”.

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by mauichuck on Feb 4, 2010 2:28 AM EST up reply actions  

You might be right. When I was about 14 I walked into a jewelry store and asked to try one on. They let me, and my whole arm started to shake with it sitting there on my wrist.

by jhon on Feb 4, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Overrated.

I've really got to change my signature.

by emd2k3 on Feb 4, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Rolex is a hack?

Everybody should get ice cream every day.

by Joel D on Feb 6, 2010 12:06 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s just one of those ‘name’ brands that the cost doesn’t translate into that much more quality, IMHO.

It’s also the same as my wife wanting a $200 pair of Seven For All Mankind jeans. They’re basically denim and rivets and stitching, just like a pair of $40 jeans. You’re just buying the tag.

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by emd2k3 on Feb 6, 2010 12:30 AM EST up reply actions  

And a Rolex’ll never keep as acurate time as a Timex. Never.

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by mauichuck on Feb 6, 2010 12:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Super-accurate timekeeping is ridiculously overrated.

Everybody should get ice cream every day.

by Joel D on Feb 6, 2010 12:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Especially when being on time is not one your defining goals in life.

by Brad D on Feb 7, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

People have caught on to the true nature of the Bose schtick, however. That they’ve resorted to selling overpriced tabletop radios via short-form infomercials to people like my Dad (who once told me that nothing good in life comes with an electric cord attached) says something.

Besides, even if Bose actually provided improved audio fidelity commensurate with the price premium, audio fidelity is a loser’s game these days. Our children (more accurately, our children’s peers) think that they don’t need anything that produces better sound than an iPod, a laptop and a pair of earbuds.

Monster Cable may be an even better example.

by FredOx on Feb 8, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Monster Cable is the essential example.

I can rag on Bose, but the stuff is practical and attractive, and it sounds good. Their tabletop stuff which you decry is a better deal than most high-end stereo products in my view. What’s so bad about filling your kitchen with pretty good sound? Nothing. Even the notion of having separate stereo speakers is highly overrated, considering the reality of normal music listening habits. You can sit in the sweet spot without moving your head all day long … or you can enjoy music while making a nice dinner.

by Jay on Feb 8, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

The annoying part about MonsterCable is that the retail stores willfully play along. Last time I was at BestBuy I asked about purchasing an HDMI knowing full well that I could get a 10 dollar cable online with the same quality. I listened patiently and then asked why the cable I ordered online for 10 dollars worked so well. Their reply was something about how I don’t quite get full quality with the online cable, which is not accurate, but I moved on.

by Roger Dorn on Feb 8, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Ooh, Monster’s different. Bose makes some great stuff (their L1 system should have utterly revolutionized sound in churches, IMHO), it’s just a question of whether any of it is practical, necessary, or better enough than cheaper stuff to be worth the increased cost. Monster, on the other hand, makes products that aren’t demonstrably better at all.

by VA tribe fan on Feb 8, 2010 11:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Monster Cable relies on the “audiophile” thinking that he can hear and appreciate things that the mere audio consumer cannot. The King and his clothes phenomenon. Lots of this going on. Back in the day there was a publication called “The Audiophile” I was looking for a link for it, but evidently it doesn’t exist any more. Suffice it to say it was the house organ for really, really overpriced equipment and magic technology line blue pens you’d paint your CDs with to make the sound “more euphonic”.

Here’s all you need to know: most distortion in any audio system comes from the transducers. That is the stuff that turns one form of energy into another. Back in the day, the two biggest were the stylus/cartridge/record combination and the speakers. The distortion added by the electronics is minimal. Since the advent of digital recording it’s down to the speakers – and like Jay said – the room accustics. Recordings, for the most part, are mixed so that you hafta sit at the peak of the “triangle” formed by the two speakers and your head. Not how most people actually listen to music.

It’s all moot anyway. One of the best experiences I’ve ever had listening to music was at a joint called Biddy Milligans in Chicago, listening to Pinetop Perkins, Willy Dixon and James Cotton through some old Electro-Voice horn speakers. It’s all about the music.

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by mauichuck on Feb 9, 2010 1:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Being a bit of an “audiophile” myself, I still don’t really advocate for Monster cables. My good friend, however, has them in his SACD, 5.1 setup. He doesn’t get all excited over them generally, but apparently they allow for higher and lower end frequencies to arrive at the exact same time, as there is a tiny amount of lag between the two in ordinary cables, so he says.

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by USSChoo on Feb 9, 2010 1:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Not only doesn’t this make sense, but Monster isn’t even particularly good cable. It feels thick in your hands; that’s its main selling point.

by Jay on Feb 9, 2010 7:14 AM EST up reply actions  

HEY NOW.

I've really got to change my signature.

by emd2k3 on Feb 9, 2010 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I believe you, just passing on the words I hear. I can see how what he’s saying COULD be true.. but only with great lengths of cable.

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by USSChoo on Feb 9, 2010 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, this the whole problem, really … otherwise intelligent people relying on “I can see how what he’s saying COULD be true” … when there is ACTUAL SCIENCE READILY AVAILABLE.

by Jay on Feb 10, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

It’ll be OK. I promise.

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by USSChoo on Feb 10, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I want to know why I think vinyl often sounds better to me than digital music. I am in no way an audiophile nor have any shred of expertise in the field of acoustics.

What gives?

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by emd2k3 on Feb 9, 2010 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Couple of theories from the CmpE side:

1. Digital Music is a sampling of an analog signal. The electronic equipment measures the sound at a static point in time, then plays these discrete measurements back so that you “hear” a recreation of the analog signal. If it was really poorly sampled, it might sound WORSE. With the current bitrate of digital recordings this is pretty unlikely.

2. Each time a vinyl record (or any analog source) is played, it is slightly degraded by the needle (or heads or whatever.) If these machines were all you ever heard, your ear might adjust to this distortion and it might become more “normal”. I imagine you’ve replaced that eight-track, so this is also unlikely.

3. I would say that 95% of the world listens to their music in a compressed format such as MP3 or AAC. These compression formats are “lossy,” meaning that when their algorithms run against the non-compressed source, some data is lost. The data that is lost is determined to be the frequencies that are outside the audible range of a typical person. It is possible that you are sensitive to these subtle ranges and can pick up the difference. Have you tried listening to a file in a non-lossy format, such as FLAC?

by gte619n on Feb 9, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

This is a great start, so I’ll just amplify and modify these answers a bit.

1. This is true, but it’s also largely misunderstood that even samples at relatively low rates are essentially perfect, within a given range of frequencies. In other words, if you sample a 1KHz sine wave 3KHz, it is recorded perfectly despite the apparently “low resolution.” Sampling is not really analogous to graphics resolution; it seems similar to “dpi” but really is nothing like that, on a fundamental level. To a great extent, either you can sample a certain frequency or you can’t.

Digital recordings are vastly more accurate than vinyl. They capture a wider range of frequencies, and what they reproduce is vastly less obscured by noise. That does not mean necessarily, however, that you will like the way it sounds better.

2. It is true that past generations are accustomed to the sound of vinyl in a way that will never affect future generations, other than a handful of people. (There’s always a handful who will express a preference for nearly anything.) It is also true that as sound technologies developed, there was a constant striving to reduce distortion and noise, but to the extent those things could no longer be minimized, you would then try to make the distortion as nice sounding as possible. In other words, put the distortion into a part of the sound where it’s doing no harm and may even have a pleasing effect. Clearly both vinyl and analog tape formulations and deck design evolved somewhat in this direction.

Enter digital technology, and noise and distortion drop by orders of magnitude in an instant. There are two problems, though. One is that we didn’t know as much about sampling as we thought we did when CD’s first arrived, so there was a process of improving converter technology, so that “digital” sounds better than it originally did, though on paper it’s no more accurate.

The other problem is that those pleasing distortions that evolved over decades of product design were now gone, with no obvious way to get them back. We also had to wait for a new generation of mastering engineers with a clear understanding of the playback devices and environments that are their true reference targets, in addition to a new generation of recording engineers who wouldn’t be relying on tape to tamp down the harshness of cymbals, for example, and who were more naturally drawn to the potential beauty that ultra-low-noise recording would reveal.

3. Nobody can distinguish reliably between a lossless format and a 256K-variable MP3 unless it’s a real high-quality, ultra-low-noise listening environment. Even in a great listening environment, the difference between a well encoded 320K-variable MP3 and the original CD is vanishingly small. I would never master with MP3, but we reference mixes and make notes on them with MP3 files all the time.

The “lossiness” of certain file formats, while on the one hand a technical fact, is from a perceptual standpoint a figment of the listener’s imagination far more often than not … not unlike Monster cable.

by Jay on Feb 9, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks guys.

I've really got to change my signature.

by emd2k3 on Feb 9, 2010 11:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Good stuff, Jay. I agree with you on the high variable but rate MP3’s. It is quite interesting what listening environments can do for you. For instance, I can’t really hear much difference between my FLAC files and my high variables on the cheap setup I currently have at home. However, when I take my music in to work and play them there (we have some very nice JBL setups for the Audio passes we do on our films), the differences begin to rise to the surface.

And for people that still insist on vinyl, I find it interesting that I’m actually much more like people of the generation before me when it comes to vinyl. I learned about music from my dad, all of which was on vinyl. We probably didn’t own a CD until I was about 12-13, so around 1998. All we had were 33’s and a few 8-tracks. So every time I purchase a new record, I buy the vinyl since most these days will come with a free 320K download, some are even offering FLAC.

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by USSChoo on Feb 9, 2010 11:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Only sorta related, I just ordered a pair of these badboys for my office:

http://audioengineusa.com/a2_home.php

I’m pretty excited and feel like all of my friends have been keeping these things secret from me.

by gte619n on Feb 10, 2010 9:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Not familiar with them, but I really don’t understand why anyone would spend money on a desktop speaker system that wasn’t 2.1. Generally better sound and much smaller footprint on your desk.

by Jay on Feb 10, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

These guys are only 6"(H) x 4"(W) x 5.25"(D) to begin with. If I can get better sound without the sub, then why not go for it?

by gte619n on Feb 10, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think you can get better sound without the sub. In fact, I know that you can’t.

by Jay on Feb 10, 2010 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, I mean, I bet I can get better sound with some Klipsch RF83s too, but not within 20 in^2 of desk space…

by gte619n on Feb 10, 2010 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

The RF83s are hardly the issue. These are. And with a little research, I probably could come up with something better.

I’ve got these on my desk.

by Jay on Feb 10, 2010 8:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I actually have that ProMedia 2.1 system in my little parlor room (parlor is really all I could think of to call it. I promise it isn’t that pretentious.) They’re a great set, especially if you’re a horn guy. You can usually find them for <$125 if you look around.

That Blue Sky set look nice as well. I have never heard of that company. It’s amazing how many small shops make quality audio stuff.

by gte619n on Feb 11, 2010 8:54 AM EST up reply actions  

BlueSky is a high-end pro audio monitor manufacturer. The Exo is sort of an oddball in their lineup. It’s discontinued, and the Exo2 is about to come out.

That little control hub is a game-changer at a computer desk. It accepts three simultaneous inputs (one balanced pair and two unbalanced), provides a real analog attenuator and an easy subwoofer adjustment.

by Jay on Feb 11, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Ooh, those look nice.

by NickFantana on Feb 10, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

What ‘films’ are you working on?

I've really got to change my signature.

by emd2k3 on Feb 10, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I work in Blu-ray production, so I’ve worked on all sorts, King Kong, MASH, Things We Lost in the Fire, Juno, Little Miss Sunshine, Transformers 2, lots of Bonds… you get the idea. My division doesn’t do actual mixing of course, we just ensure the mixes provided for release are acceptable.

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by USSChoo on Feb 10, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

One more: recording engineers spent decades learning how to equalize analog. The RAII equalization was partially developed to compensate for the mechanical ineffiencies of mechanically stored information to electronic signal. That is a .001mm rise of the analog record surface at 2,000 Hz might produce a 84db tone. The same mechanical rise at 12,000 Hz might produce a 87dB tone. That’s where the equalization comes in.

So when they started using digital almost all of the recording engineers were still living in an analog world. It took some learnin’ to figure out how to equalize digital recordings.

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by mauichuck on Feb 10, 2010 12:49 AM EST up reply actions  

The RIAA curve you’re talking about only really applies to the mastering stage, preparing the material to be cut to vinyl.

It is true, however, that mix engineers were working around (and with) the frequency response of the analog tape media where their mixes would stored, and later played back for mastering. And of course, the original multitrack recordings were also analog tape. This is what I was talking about above, third paragraph of item #2.

by Jay on Feb 10, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Ever seen that Mr. Show sketch?

“I only listen to vinyl….man, it’s so pure it hurts!”

by cleveland teamer on Feb 9, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

isn’t that the one with that spoof of the beatles, except they only get photographed?

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by Ockus_NYC on Feb 9, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

must be something different…not sure what you’re referring to.

by cleveland teamer on Feb 10, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Notice I called it television. “TV” is a nickname, and nicknames are for friends, and television is no friend of mine.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Feb 10, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

That’s Mr. Television to you.

by YoDaddyWags on Feb 10, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

How does McIntosh stack up, in your opinion?

by YoDaddyWags on Feb 8, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Um, I’m sure it’s great, really, but when you own a studio, the whole audiophile industry starts to look pretty silly.

Spend $2000 on bass traps, then spend $500 on a stereo. This advice by itself is more helpful than any specific brand or product recommendation anyone could ever make.

by Jay on Feb 8, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for that, Jay, though the cats around here are voting for the odradek version.

by YoDaddyWags on Feb 8, 2010 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I really have no use for anything Top 40 related. How I wish I had been of age in the days when radio and DJs were relevant.

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by USSChoo on Feb 4, 2010 4:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Something I’ve noticed lately is the number of songs, including this one, that make some kind of direct appeal to the DJ. Do people do this? I don’t even see DJs when I go out anymore, let alone people constantly shouting at them or telling them to play that last song again. I think that would piss off a lot of other people.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Feb 4, 2010 5:23 AM EST up reply actions  

If you have to request it, you’re at the wrong bar. Ah-duh.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Feb 4, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Cherry Tavern in the East Village/Alphabet City has it on their juke. True story. Btw, the opening bars of that song have been running through my head almost constantly from the moment i first read your post.

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by Ockus_NYC on Feb 4, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

you know, I like my girls a little bit older

by clusterchuck on Feb 4, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

but if a DJ won’t spin “Your Love,” you do what you’ve gotta do. Especially if you’re married.

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by Ockus_NYC on Feb 4, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I was in Alphabet two weeks ago—I would have made everyone switch bars had I known.

Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile

by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Feb 4, 2010 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

And I’m not kidding.

Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile

by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Feb 4, 2010 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

This song makes White Sox games with Gordon Beckham playing bearable. He better not change that song.

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by ClemsonGirl on Feb 4, 2010 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Even Tengu, a sushi place in Westwood has a DJ while you eat dinner. He’s busy noodling with downtempo nonsense, but he’s there — with his laptop most every night.

I've really got to change my signature.

by emd2k3 on Feb 4, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Ask him to blow your speakers up.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Feb 4, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Edison’s Pub in Tremont has a terrible DJ some nights who will play really bad & inconsistent music (the Outfield is actually in his wheelhouse) and will step outside to smoke during the really unlistenable stuff like Meatloaf, Mr. Bungle or Cameo.

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by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 4, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

DJ at the W bar in Westwood mixed in Steve Winwood’s Valerie with other much less aggravating, non top-40 circa 1987 music.

My Pakistani friend offered to “live up to his stereotype” and suicide bomb the guy.

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by emd2k3 on Feb 4, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

If I’m on that street, I usually don’t make it past the Treehouse. It’s the one with the toucan on it.

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by nickjs21 on Feb 4, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Edison’s isn’t the same as it was 5 years ago, or I’m not. Either way I rarely find myself in there—or elsewhere on Professor these days. I’ve been limiting myself to Hotz, Lincoln Park Pub or the Rowley Inn when hanging out in Tremont—where I live. More often, I get my beers in Ohio City and a few other spots on the near west side like the Sachsenheim.

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by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 4, 2010 10:31 PM EST up reply actions  

“Sachsenheim”?

Details?

by bewwolv on Feb 4, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Sachsenheim. It’s an 111 year-old social hall for Transylvanian Saxons open to the public. We’re talking 5 dollar liters of German & French beer—and they usually have a keg or two of Fatheads (the brewer occasionally hangs out there) which is also, you guessed it, $5 a liter! I’m often there on Tuesday’s when tacos are 75 cents (the menu includes fish, chorzio, Saxon sausage, ancho chicken and [when in season] venison.) The chef, Grumpy, caters the clubhouse at the Jake on alternating nights so the food is pretty good. Places like this barely exist these days, so you may want to check it out while it still stands. It really is too good to be true. I’m not lying about the 75 cent venison tacos!

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by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 5, 2010 1:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I like your style PBH.

by joeee on Feb 5, 2010 1:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Speaking of Tremont, try Big Guy’s pizza for huge, really huge calzones. Sachsenheim is in a unique neighborhood. How’d you find it?

by DanMac on Feb 5, 2010 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

I’d been to a few wakes there, but didn’t know the bar was so great until my wife suggested we stop in to try the 75 cent tacos that were advertized on the sign out front. We’ve been big fans ever since.

I love Big Guys. The Hot & Spicy pizza is no joke!

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by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 5, 2010 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Finally went there last week. Been wanting to check it out, but they have funny hours. The calzone I bought for $7 could easily feed 4 adults. And it was delicious.
I was in Sachsenheim about 10 years ago. Has it been updated at all?

by DanMac on Feb 5, 2010 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I lived in Tremont for two years. Is that place called, I believe, the Flying Monkey, still there? Also there was a pizza place that offered something called “the garlic bomb” … was that Big Guy’s?

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by Ockus_NYC on Feb 5, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes, that’s Big Guy’s. No pizza is complete without an entire roasted bulb of garlic in the center!

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by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 5, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Flying Monkey is still there, I’m pretty sure I fell into it a few weeks ago.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Feb 5, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I was in Sachsenheim about 10 years ago. Has it been updated at all?

No, thankfully the place hasn’t been monkeyed with too much since 1926. That’s the charm, right?

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by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 5, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Today’s Eyetalian lesson? What’s a calzone?

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by mauichuck on Feb 5, 2010 8:33 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s fantastic, PBH. I will definitely be checking it out.

by bewwolv on Feb 5, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

The brewer/owner/whatever he is (one of them, anyway) is also a regular at the Southside. I met him there last time I went.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Feb 5, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Matt Cole is the brewer and part owner of Fatheads. He’s a rock star in Ohio as far as brewers go and has a nice collection of national awards to back it up. Regardless, he’s a normal dude and very approachable. He’ll talk beer with just about anyone without mentioning his credentials. Maybe that makes him a strike above normal?

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by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 5, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m thinking of the other guy. Ted maybe. Anyway, not important, good to know it’s run by all around good people.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Feb 5, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

This whole Tremont thing has me puzzled. Back in the day when I was doing construction work and going to college I usta hitch a ride with Joe Summerville. Joe lived on Starkweather about half way between W14the and W10th. It was an OK neighborhood I guess, but no different than any other working class neighborhood on the West side. I still remember changing a transmission out of a 59 Chrysler in Joe’s front yard, in the rain. The Pyramid Cafe was close by and a couple other shot and beer joints. The Dog Pound – the real one, with dogs – was just up the street. My brother usta deliver Coca-Cola to the Eagle Market in the neighborhood – the one grocery store that was filmed for the “Deer Hunter”.

It goes without saying, but I miss the old neighborhood.

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by mauichuck on Feb 5, 2010 9:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Tremont is no means what it used to be. The many beautiful small businesses and Eastern Europeans moved out for reasons I care not to go into and can’t fully know. What’s left are small businesses that moved in the last 10 years and and a diverse population of Appalachians, Puerto Ricans, African Americans and the descendants of Eastern Europeans who have recently moved back in. What’s also left is fantastic architecture, a walkable community, and a proximity to downtown (and the ballpark) that cannot be beat. In many ways, this neighborhood is exactly the same. Your nostalgia is my present.

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by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 5, 2010 10:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Appalachians – a love the PC terminology. Why not call us what we call ourselves – hillbillys!

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by mauichuck on Feb 5, 2010 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. My neighbors would take that as a slight. Hillbilly is the preferred nomenclature. Some of the Boricuas would also be OK with being called Jibaritos.

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by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 5, 2010 10:28 PM EST up reply actions  

a community ……..that cannot be beat.

Accept for the rent part. Back when I’m talking about a construction laborer with 5 kids could afford a house – actually buy it – on his income alone. This current “low-rent” gentrification has made that impossible.

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by mauichuck on Feb 5, 2010 10:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Construction worker? This is the midwest. No one is moving here and there’s an overabundance of housing stock. Rents are falling and vacancy is high despite many people transitioning from home-owner to renter. I have friend who had a booming drywall biz a couple years ago. Even he understands that the market for cheap new-builds is gone. Good riddance.

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by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 5, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Even he understands that the market for cheap new-builds is gone. Good riddance.

Smacks of elitism, don’t you think? We are tranistioning to a service industry society were the low end of the income spectra is no longer within hollering distance from the top 10%. So the world you live in most of these folks are destined to rent a home for all of their natural life, is that right? Most of my generation grew up in 1,000 sq ft bungalows. Hell my dad built a coupla hunnert of ’em. That investment has seen most of those folks through their retirement.

BTW, hanging drywall, roofing are at the low end of the construction spectrum. That’s been a boom and bust business since we got outta livin’ in caves. Check the Local 38 – the Electrians Union or Local 120 – the Pipefitters, and see how many guys are on the bench at the hall. The construction at the Cleveland Clinic alone’s got 25% of those guys workin’.

Ain’t nothing new about the current down turn. Just as they’ll be nothin’ new about the next construction boom.

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by mauichuck on Feb 5, 2010 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

elitism

Really?

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by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 5, 2010 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, elitism.

Folks with little income need cheap housing. I’m all for finding a way to bring home ownership back to the Great Unwashed. You want beautiful well maintained homes with clean streets and a sense of community? Give everyone in the community a financial stake in it. You want squalor and filth? Easy, make everyone in the neighborhood a renter. Why should he give a hot damn what happens? He can always move out.

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by mauichuck on Feb 5, 2010 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought you were all about the Market Forces ruling, but now i see that your all about the little guy.

I think we agree—don’t get me started on absentee landlords. You probably lived through some riots caused arising from entire neighborhoods of homes & apartments shifting from owners to renters and falling into mutual neglect.

I’m all about living modestly. It’s pretty easy to do in Cleveland. If you want, I can hook you up with a 3 bedroom house with a view of downtown, the river and the mills on two parcels for $100k. No rush though, it’s been on the market for 6 months.

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by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 5, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Me, I’m into livin’ large. Blow it all dude, save nothing. Make sure the last check you write bounces.

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by mauichuck on Feb 5, 2010 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I could make the same point about paying taxes vs. not paying taxes, and having a stake in the economy, but that would probably be too political.

I've really got to change my signature.

by emd2k3 on Feb 6, 2010 12:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely agree with this. I rented for three years, and while I had absolutely no complaint about about the ownership (who was constantly improving the grounds, painting, etc), most of the residents just didn’t give a damn about their place, because he didn’t have any stake in the place other than the deposit. No way I’d rent again if I didn’t have to.

The good news is that at least where I live, the property values are such that the mortgage on a typical post-WWII bungalow/ranch isn’t that much higher than the rent on a typical apartment.

by Ryan on Feb 6, 2010 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Among the population is also what used to be termed “yuppies”. Tremont is truly unique and could be even better. Its a shame that it deteriorated as it did in the 70s and 80s. I’ve sometimes thought what it would be like if the Indians (Jacobs) built there, instead of Gateway. Maybe a cozier park, say 30-35K capacity, at Lincoln Park.

by DanMac on Feb 6, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Not the ABC tavern though right?

by hans on Feb 5, 2010 1:05 AM EST up reply actions  

I was there last Saturday. The crowd had changed drastically from the last time I was there when there would be no crowd at all on a Saturday night.

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by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 5, 2010 1:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes those old WWII vets that used to sit next to you at the bar drinking Pabst have been turned into twenty six year old dudes with beards, tight black jeans, greasy hair, bad b.o., but they drink Pabst too.

New ownership, is why its changed, its the Garage basically, just a little less bikerish.

Went to some newer bar in Goose Island a month ago that was pretty decent, (can’t remember the name of it), but the beer wasn’t cheap per se.

by hans on Feb 5, 2010 1:34 AM EST up reply actions  

You mean Duck? Or were you in Chicago at the brewery?

I only know of Velvet Tango Room and the Duck Island Club (which are pretty far apart on the bar spectrum) in that ’hood.

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by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 5, 2010 1:41 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah duck island, sorry about that. I think it was the club that i was at, admittingly only four other people were there at the time including the bar tender, but it seemed alright enough.

by hans on Feb 5, 2010 9:11 AM EST up reply actions  

That place changes hands pretty regularly. For a while it was full of off-duty strippers, after that it was hipsters, then it was back to a regular neighborhood bar. I once stumbled into a group of young Iraq vets with prosthetics playing pool—which was pretty humbling. Regardless of the scene it’s usually good for a cheap beer.

Velvet Tango charges around $15 bucks a mixed drink and has a really high-brow atmosphere. It amazes me those two place are around the corner from each other, but worlds apart.

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by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 5, 2010 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Okay, I love Mr. Bungle and Bat Out of Hell is always worth a listen but I have no idea why either of those two would be bar suitable material.

by The Grimace on Feb 4, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ll second the defense of Mr. Bungle.

by cleveland teamer on Feb 4, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I love Mr. Bungle, but I’d rather hear the whole album as opposed to a snippet wedged between stale top 40 crud.

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by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 4, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I like some Cameo, but I’ve had this experience with in Cleveland too. I wonder if it’s the same “DJ.” How did we deal with it that last time, Joeee? The bar was almost empty and this guy had already blown up his home-computer speakers.

by jhon on Feb 4, 2010 8:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I just talked to him.

by joeee on Feb 4, 2010 8:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Proving that any idiot with a laptop can label themselves “DJ”

by The Grimace on Feb 4, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

That really is sad. I went to school at OU with a guy who was a legitimate DJ. Labeled himself DJ An-Log, reminded me how skilled one must be to be a bonafide DJ.

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by USSChoo on Feb 4, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I will not recommend this post.

Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile

by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Feb 4, 2010 9:50 PM EST up reply actions  

It seems to me like every third guy down here is a DJ now, though. Maybe it’s because of Scripps and all the audio production kids, but yeah. I used to be an RA in the dorm where all the College of Communications freshmen lived an they would have actual DJ-offs. They also mattress jousted, but that’s neither here nor there.

by ameliorate on Feb 4, 2010 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah, dorm shenanigans…bringing back those memories. Of course those memories also coincide with Pedro owning the Indians in the LDS and watching Manny leave for Boston.

by The Grimace on Feb 4, 2010 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ve seen some real bad ones, believe me, but this kid was talented. But you do make a good point. And since when did all the Communications College kids get grouped in the same dorm? We weren’t. Wait, I don’t think we were… hmm.

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by USSChoo on Feb 5, 2010 5:23 AM EST up reply actions  

They’ve all been in Washington at least since I’ve been here, and I’m a senior. I didn’t live there as a freshman mag major and I still regret it.

by ameliorate on Feb 5, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Interesting, I was in Shively for two years. Then again thats when the School of Media Arts and Studies was the School of Telecommunications.

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by USSChoo on Feb 5, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

ygm.

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by westbrook on Feb 5, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Come again?

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by USSChoo on Feb 6, 2010 1:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, I haven’t gotten to his art/architecture critique stuff (like From Bauhaus to our House). Although I will say, even reading the wikipedia entry was enough to point out my own internal logic flaws whenever I’m adoring severe and contemporary architecture. I’m a little hesitant to pick them up – because I know that I’ll agree, but I also know that a lot of people thought Wolfe was overreaching and talking about subjects he didn’t know very well.

I, actually, hate Tik Tok. As the Redmond argument goes, you don’t have to gobble up all popculture. You just have to not take your opinion – one way or the other – as “serious” or worst of all (much worst of all) “thoughtful and different.” Some popculture gems border on inarguable – such as some of GaGas work.

I also have a suspicion that Diddy is trying to create his own GaGa in Kei$ha. Did you know that Kei$ha was on The Simple Life as a simple person?

by joeee on Feb 4, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

GaGa is all having us on.

And I don’t mind. Some of it is very good pop, some not.

I've really got to change my signature.

by emd2k3 on Feb 4, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmm, you need to add some beer, but otherwise it looks pretty good.

by Ryan on Feb 3, 2010 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

this guy says hi

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by westbrook on Feb 3, 2010 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

In middle English, “Marte” means “Mars” – god of war.

by joeee on Feb 4, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

That explains the pics I got on google images when I tried it without the first name.

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by westbrook on Feb 4, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d also throw in some kinesthesiology in there.

by hans on Feb 3, 2010 10:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Faux kinesiology, you mean.

by odradek on Feb 4, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s funny, when I think of Mike Redmond, I think “leadership”, when I think of Adam Kennedy, I think “uncertainty.”

Why is that?

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by emd2k3 on Feb 3, 2010 10:16 PM EST reply actions  

nothing says “uncertainty” like a guy who takes his extra BP fully clothed.

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by Ockus_NYC on Feb 3, 2010 10:20 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Sometimes you need to find good Indians instead of chiefs.

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by Spidey on Feb 7, 2010 12:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Buster Olney reporting that Hudson is down to a choice between Minny and Cleveland. Other outlets reporting the Nats as being out of the race are saying that Minny is more likely, with no mention of Cleveland.

by xrickx on Feb 4, 2010 2:14 PM EST reply actions  

I’m starting to wonder if only MLB Network reporters are getting good sourcing on the TV side of things these days. If Olney truly has this info, it probably came from Hudson’s agent as a ploy to motivate the Twins—or somebody else.

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by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 4, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess I just cant allow myself to understand whats so great about Hudson that the Indians will spend it’s limited budget all on him.

Thats why I just don’t believe even Buster Onley these days.

by GoTribe028 on Feb 4, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Thats why I just especially don’t believe even Buster Onley these days 99 percent of the time.
fixed.

I’m sure Buster is a good and decent man, but competing headline-to-headline and click-to-click with morons like Rosenthal is his meal ticket. He’s just as guilty as all the other espn guys.

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by Ockus_NYC on Feb 4, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t know. Sure seems like a lot of smoke here.

by dgcambridge on Feb 4, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

that was my point. maybe i didn’t phrase it right.

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by Ockus_NYC on Feb 4, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

i think we’re mixing smoke metaphors here.

dg = where there’s smoke, there’s fire.

by Brick. on Feb 4, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Brick to the rescue.

Yep, that’s what I was implying.

by dgcambridge on Feb 4, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

nice catch. I was thinking smoke and mirrors. man, how did you get that from that? Impressive.

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by Ockus_NYC on Feb 4, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, “Brick” is only a nickname!

by GoTribe028 on Feb 4, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Where there’s smoke and mirrors, there’s fire.

by dgcambridge on Feb 4, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Where there’s smoke and mirrors, there’s fire David Copperfield.

Fixed.

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by emd2k3 on Feb 4, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

i’m also pretty sure neither of these metaphors.

by Brick. on Feb 4, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I can sit here all day. Take your time.

by dgcambridge on Feb 4, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

i’m making fun of myself if that’s not clear.

by Brick. on Feb 4, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

it’s either the agent floating us as a ghost to drive up a price, or we’re low-balling the bejesus out of him, or both I suppose.

by Brick. on Feb 4, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I think they’re all right and Olney is just less willing to go out on a limb. It’s going to be Minnesota, it just isn’t a foregone conclusion, and Cleveland is really the only other option at this point.

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by nickjs21 on Feb 4, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Just to be clear … I’m enjoying the “favorites” of recent vintage right alongside the old-timers.

No, I will not name names. You know who you are.

by Jay on Feb 4, 2010 6:20 PM EST up reply actions  

This will be a better season.

by jhon on Feb 5, 2010 12:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Aye!

Anything in life is possible, except for skiing through revolving doors.

by MooneysRebellion on Feb 5, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

i wish I could post more often …. sigh …

by talonk on Feb 10, 2010 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: low expectations—Oh yeah.

by Gradyforpresident on Feb 11, 2010 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Dollars being equal, I don’t see a big difference between Kennedy and (NL West alert) Hudson.

Dollars not being equal, I obviously prefer Kennedy, but I’m also at peace with the Tribe taking the field in April with 25 guys from the current roster and group of invites.

by jhon on Feb 4, 2010 3:18 PM EST reply actions  

This tweet is intersting:

Baseball source told me Cle was outbidding Twins for Hudson, but I’m skeptical because Indians have been tight-fisted all winter.

http://twitter.com/JoeCStrib/statuses/8646363077

by JP_Frost on Feb 4, 2010 4:12 PM EST reply actions  

I’m happy to hear that we’re (possibly) pushing the price, but worried about about the ol’ winner’s curse.

by jhon on Feb 4, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Cleveland offering more money? Blasphemy!

by GoTribe028 on Feb 4, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

aw, c’mon. be fair. we offered more money for Redmond, didn’t we? And mark grudzielanek didn’t just sign himself.

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by Ockus_NYC on Feb 4, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Also, remember that it’s not that expensive when you’re only paying a guy for half the season.

And sometimes, when you ship him elsewhere and agree to pay him anyway, Carlos Santana appears.

by xrickx on Feb 4, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

i would be bullish on this idea if we didn’t hang on to carroll all year last year. why did we do that? i’m also bullish on getting valbuena’s service clock fixed. i guess i’m fine with signing a hudson, but that would probably make me bullish on moving a peralta.

by Brick. on Feb 4, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

thinking out-loud here…

is there something to some kind of an odd valbuena-marte platoon?

by Brick. on Feb 4, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

The only thing odd about it would be where would they platoon, and who and when is someone else moved?

by GoTribe028 on Feb 4, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

shapiro just told castrovince that valbuena needs to work on his range. i dont think thats enough to make the indians move him to 3B at age 23.

but what’s wrong with him being used like maicer izturis? nothing, really.

by xrickx on Feb 4, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

that’s what i’m wondering. the marte comment in the same article is what got me thinking this way…

by Brick. on Feb 4, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

maicer got a lot of ABs, though, bc kendrick got hurt a lot at 2B, aybar wasn’t give full starting duties at SS right away, and third-base wasn’t figgins’ full time until recently.

on the indians, peralta, cabrera, and hudson would be guys in there pretty regularly. i don’t see where valbuena’s PT would come, unless Jhonny is not playing against tough RHP, which means any RHP with a slider, which means any RHP.

by xrickx on Feb 4, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I say, what’s wrong with demoting him for a couple of months and fixing the moronic service time situation Wedge created last year.

by Jay on Feb 4, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

“we feel he needs to go down and work on his approach against lefties…”

i’m sold

by Brick. on Feb 4, 2010 9:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks, Brick … I can always count on you to dork out on service time with me.

by Jay on Feb 4, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

That Wedge never paying any heed to service time.

by Roger Dorn on Feb 4, 2010 11:40 PM EST up reply actions  

That was the least of Wedge’s problems, and Shapiro didn’t often let him blunder into a service time mistake.

by Jay on Feb 4, 2010 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Is the cost going to add up? it’s 2010 Hudson free agent salary vs. 2015 Luis Valbuena salary-league min. salary for 2011. Wouldn’t it just make more sense to demote Valbuena for someone like Mark Grudzielanek under some sort of “he needs to work on (…..) for a couple months”?

by hans on Feb 5, 2010 1:18 AM EST up reply actions  

First, if Valbuena turns into a significant player, it may well add up to that, yes.

Second, Hudson brings benefits other than this for that money, so it’s not like you can charge this expense to suppressing Valbuena’s service time.

Third, the larger issue arguably is control. We have lost a year of control for Valbuena, over a lousy two weeks in the midst of our lousiest season in over 15 years.

by Jay on Feb 5, 2010 8:00 AM EST up reply actions  

I guess my question is did Wedge push for Valbuena to stay on the big league roster? Shouldn’t Shapiro have been able to move Valbuena down whenever he wanted?

by Roger Dorn on Feb 5, 2010 8:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m with you on the control thing, just maybe not the means of achieving it. Though without knowing what amount of the offer the team was/is willing to make for Hudson, it is a bit premature on my part to be questioning the pros/cons of such a move.

by hans on Feb 5, 2010 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I think it’s a flip situation and a pretty decent one. I don’t know what the deal was with Carroll but Shapiro knows how to move vets.

by afh4 on Feb 4, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the perception is that utility guys can be had on waivers in August, with no talent going back in exchange for the claim. Nobody wanted to spend part of their budget on Carroll when other starters may have become available later. Or, maybe the Indians really wanted him around in 2010 and didn’t want to disrupt the continuity. The two-year offer they made him supports that. Combine that with a lack of mildly interesting prospect offers, and Carroll got to take away ABS from a young player in a meaningless season for the second straight year.

by xrickx on Feb 4, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

i’m trying to think of an other-than-blake example of this recently. totally blanking.

by Brick. on Feb 4, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Of Carroll taking ABs?

He played over Marte at 3B in 2008 after Blake was dealt, and he played against lefties down the stretch rather than let Valbuena get ABs in 2009, long after the season was lost.

Then, Shapiro says that Valbuena needs to improve against lefties? Improve? You need your name in the lineup before you can form a baseline on which to improve.

by xrickx on Feb 4, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

of a skill position player getting moved for prospects in a deadline deal. i’m sure there are plenty, i just can’t think of any. i’m curious of non-santana returns.

by Brick. on Feb 4, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

my point was that the santana return came because cleveland ate blake’s salary.

by xrickx on Feb 4, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

yes. either way, ship salary, eat salary. if this is the strategy, i’m curious of other examples of returns. i’m not being lazy, i just can’t think of any other guys that have been dealt recently – that are comparable to hudson, that i can go look up the deals.

freddy sanchez is the best i can come up with. the pirates got Tim Alderson back.

by Brick. on Feb 4, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

after some suspect googling, i have also found from last year:

Orlando Cabrera netted Tyler Ladendorf

Duh, Mark DeRosa netted Perez and Todd

Julio Lugo netted Chris Duncan

Felipe Lopez netted Cole Gillespie and Roque Mercedes

Yuniesky Betancourt netted Dan Cortes and Derrick Saito

by Brick. on Feb 4, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Betancourt was traded for the host of MTV Sports?

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by Ockus_NYC on Feb 4, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

whereas Lopez brought back the kid from the ryan howard’s boy’s and girl’s club MLB commercial

by Brick. on Feb 4, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

No it was actually the guy from Veronica’s Closet, but easy mistake.

by hans on Feb 5, 2010 1:24 AM EST up reply actions  

$4 million for Perez + Todd = WIN

by Jay on Feb 4, 2010 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

You see I thought you were going to go with a “i’m trying to think of an other-than-blake example of this recently.totally blaking” in some sort of Neil Hamburger voice, there.

by hans on Feb 5, 2010 1:20 AM EST up reply actions  

jamey carroll is not orlando hudson

by xrickx on Feb 4, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

neither is ronnie belliard, but didn’t he supplant hudson down the stretch?

by Brick. on Feb 4, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

in perception, belliard is a quasi-starter, whereas carroll never was. and if belliard or hudson get hot (and belliard did), some crazy things can happen. when carroll gets hot, what happens? a few more hits to the right side?

by xrickx on Feb 4, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Let’s run he and Garko out there together. Well, run might be the wrong word.

by Brad D on Feb 4, 2010 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

“He” might also be the wrong word.

by Jay on Feb 4, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I always think of him as Mini-Manny

by gte619n on Feb 7, 2010 10:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Is Hudson such a sure bet to stay healthy so we can flip him at the deadline? I mean I like the upside of signing him with the intent of turning him into pieces for the future, but if the reports about his asking price are correct, it’s a pretty risky gamble. Not to mention the fact that you’d have to play him every day, while Valbuena should be getting his much needed development time in the majors.

by JP_Frost on Feb 4, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Isn’t it also worrysome that this is the second offseason in a row where he’s been looking for a team late in the winter?

by dgcambridge on Feb 4, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

i can’t get my head around this. is it just that he wants ’07 money in an ’09 economy?

by Brick. on Feb 4, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

That, or most GMs are pimps, and would rather you not know it.

by dgcambridge on Feb 4, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

That, or maybe the Indians are looking to field a “Better Late Than Never” squad of guys they’ve allegedly pursued in the past with austin kearns, orlando hudson, jason bay (he’s grady’s best friend!!), trevor hoffman and Adam Dunn. Owned by George Steinbrenner.

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by Ockus_NYC on Feb 4, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

how could you forget Garrett Atkins?

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by westbrook on Feb 4, 2010 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice one. I also couldn’t remember a starting pitcher that we either A) pursued; B) were believed to have pursued; or C) hoped to pursue, inevitably leading to bloated rumors that we were pursuing.

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by Ockus_NYC on Feb 4, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

jaret wright for pedro? I think that one’s been mentioned here?

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by westbrook on Feb 4, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

roger clemens, who chose toronto over cleveland.

by xrickx on Feb 4, 2010 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Which makes no sense, it has to be easier to score ’roids in Cleveland as opposed to Toronto. Plus prices would be up due to a weak Canadian Dollar at the time.

by The Grimace on Feb 4, 2010 11:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Is Schilling too distant?

by DanMac on Feb 5, 2010 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely not. But when were we supposedly talking to him? Pre-Boston? Between contracts? this one I don’t remember.

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by Ockus_NYC on Feb 5, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

I seem to remember his name thrown about in the mid to late ’90s when he was still in Philly. 1997 rings a bell and I believe we were one of five teams that were in the running in 2000 when he was ultimately traded to AZ. He was pretty much a perennial favorite when it came to trade rumors in Cleveland in the late ’90s.

by clusterchuck on Feb 5, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

There was some occasion when the rumors were flying and he got a huge ovation as a visiting player at the Jake. Possibly the 1997 All-Star Game.

by Jay on Feb 5, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I believe you’re right. The rumors were hot. Because of that he received a loud ovation at Jacob’s Field. Wonder what, or who, held up that deal?

by DanMac on Feb 5, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not sure that there was much to the rumors. I could be wrong, as I base this on the fact that he wasn’t traded until three full seasons later. I don’t remember the details as much with Schilling as I do with Randy Johnson a year later. If there were serious discussions, it could be that the Philly was simply asking too much; a la Seattle in ‘98. I believe that Seattle wanted a haul from Cleveland (Giles, Sexton, Wright, others?) and we simply weren’t going to send that much major league ready talent.

by clusterchuck on Feb 5, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

that, and trading Giles woulda torpedoed any hopes we had of ever netting ricardo rincon.

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by Ockus_NYC on Feb 5, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Hart’s stubborn refusal to place a high value on a front-line pitcher, most likely.

by Jay on Feb 5, 2010 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Pedro, Schilling, and Randy Johnson were all very close to becoming Indians at some point. We were always right there in the negotiations for all 3.

by Roger Dorn on Feb 6, 2010 12:47 AM EST up reply actions  

We were always in second place, is where we were. RIght up at the table, waiting to see if someone wanted to overpay. Someone almost always does.

by Jay on Feb 6, 2010 1:58 AM EST up reply actions  

There were even a few instances where we were the ones overpaying a tad.

by The Grimace on Feb 6, 2010 2:48 AM EST up reply actions  

There were? For an ace? I don’t think so.

by Jay on Feb 6, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

No, not for an ace. Just in general. You could say we overpaid for Burba and Smiley, and then there is always Rincon.

by The Grimace on Feb 6, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

We’re not talking about all trades that we ever made in the history of the Indians. We’re talking about acquiring a front-line starter.

by Jay on Feb 6, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Supposedly we could have had Pedro from the Expos for Jaret Wright but the Indians didn’t want to do that (understandable, considering how he pitched in ‘97, and there was concern that Pedro would break down physically because of his build so he wasn’t worth a huge contract). Imagine how the late 90’s/early 00’s would have been different if we had made that trade.

by Buckeye Brad on Feb 6, 2010 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think it was so understandable. Pedro was two years from free agency when that deal went down, and if you look at his numbers, it appears that he hadn’t missed a start for four entire seasons up to that point.

by Jay on Feb 6, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I meant it was understandable that the Indians wouldn’t want to give up a young guy like Wright who looked like he could be a future star for 2 years of Pedro with no guarentee that he’d sign a long-term contract. I’m not sure how much the durability concernes of Pedro had to do with anything but I do remember hearing concerns about it which is why I mentioned it.

by Buckeye Brad on Feb 6, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I think you could argue there was a failure to evaluate in that instance.

by Jay on Feb 6, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I know they thought Wright could be something special but Martinez was already there. Look at that 1997 season, an ERA+ of 219 for a sub .500 team at 25 years old. I can’t understand why you don’t pull the trigger on that, even without the hindsight of what was to come.

by The Grimace on Feb 7, 2010 1:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Having a sub-.500 team doesn’t really affect the ERA+ much.

by Jay on Feb 7, 2010 8:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe you could say it indicates a poor defense? Or at least not a good defense.

by Gradyforpresident on Feb 7, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

In a very small way, yes, but the correlation is just not going to be that strong. Too many other factors.

by Jay on Feb 7, 2010 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Pedro would’ve broke down, or something. Come on, remember this is Cleveland. Maybe we would have lost another LC or WS, or two.

by DanMac on Feb 6, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, it was 97 All Star game. He received a standing O during the player introductions. Belle received the opposite, didn’t even go onto the field for player introductions.

by Roger Dorn on Feb 5, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not sure how safe it is to bring in Grady’s friends, at least without adult supervision.

by YoDaddyWags on Feb 4, 2010 6:22 PM EST up reply actions  

(a) Yes.

(b) I’ve been thinking lately that the credit squeeze has a lot of things doing things that are a little head-scratchy financially, or more specifically, not being willing to do certain things.

by Jay on Feb 4, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

he’s not a health risk. i don’t get your point re: the health?

by xrickx on Feb 4, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess the injury he had with the DBacks made me think of him as injury prone the last couple of years. Still though, I just think he’s a bit too risky to gamble on.

by JP_Frost on Feb 4, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

that tweet, at least, is from a star-tribune beat guy. Although there’s no guarantee he’s not the Paul Hoynes of Minneapolis, either.

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by Ockus_NYC on Feb 4, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

reply fail. Meant for JPFrost’s twitter link up the thread.

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by Ockus_NYC on Feb 4, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I have no idea how reliable this guy is. He himself questioned what he had heard, but it’s interesting nonetheless.

by JP_Frost on Feb 4, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Those minnesota beat guys told us about Seantrel yesterday morning, and there were right that time. Jerks.

by dgcambridge on Feb 4, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

perfect

"I'm a baseball lifer. It's what I do." —Manny Acta

by westbrook on Feb 4, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

MARLINS (Pushing away from table after bidding reached $750K): Too rich for my blood….

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by Ockus_NYC on Feb 4, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

ASTROS: We’d offer you 1.5 if you were two years older
GIANTS: Did we hear “older” … how much?

"I'm a baseball lifer. It's what I do." —Manny Acta

by westbrook on Feb 4, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Agent: We can fake a birth certificate real easy like ….

by talonk on Feb 10, 2010 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I would hate to spend more than $4M on Hudson.

"I'm a baseball lifer. It's what I do." —Manny Acta

by westbrook on Feb 4, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Me too, considering a local ATM laughs at me when withdrawing funds.

by GoTribe028 on Feb 4, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Just to go on the record, one more here who wants to be rooting for Valbuena and his upside, not Hudson on the downslope of his career.

by YoDaddyWags on Feb 4, 2010 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I would hate to spend more than $4M on Hudson.

by Brad D on Feb 4, 2010 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

setting the internet explorer conversation aside, which add prevents these pages from fully loading ever? if i just give in and buy their product, can i stop getting the adds?

by Brick. on Feb 4, 2010 6:06 PM EST reply actions  

well, we can put the Hudson deal to bed if this report is true:

Reported close earlier, but Hudson is a done deal to Twins.

http://twitter.com/curtiskitchen/status/8650603845

by JP_Frost on Feb 4, 2010 6:15 PM EST reply actions  

and the deal is supposedly worth $5M for 1-year according to Olney.

by JP_Frost on Feb 4, 2010 7:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, so much for winning the division.

by Ryan on Feb 4, 2010 8:23 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Hey, the fire alarm is going off!

by Gradyforpresident on Feb 4, 2010 7:52 PM EST reply actions  

Hopefully that epic disaster mammoth historical snow storm coming puts it out!

by Gradyforpresident on Feb 4, 2010 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

OK, this false fire alarm that’s been ringing for a half hour is really, really annoying.

by Gradyforpresident on Feb 4, 2010 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Great, why don’t you make Grady look even douchier with that shirt?

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Feb 4, 2010 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Reading out of the old phone book, eh GFP?

by joeee on Feb 4, 2010 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Just doing my part for the post number.

by Gradyforpresident on Feb 5, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

One thousand posts about Adam Kennedy? I’m reluctant to help with that. You all are such sticklers about grammar.

Did I pass?

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
Oh, and could you get Mike Adams for the bullpen, please?

by jillsinmo on Feb 4, 2010 9:48 PM EST reply actions  

Your going to have to try harder than that.

Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile

by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Feb 4, 2010 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Did you pass what?

by Jay on Feb 4, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Grammer*. I hate when people get that spelling wrong.

by joeee on Feb 5, 2010 1:22 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Which reminds me, I’ve realized recently that I can’t see Frasier Crane on tv and not think of him as Jonathan Crane. It makes Frasier much more entertaining.

by VA tribe fan on Feb 5, 2010 2:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Here we go.

Welcome back, Sandy! ATALECG...

by USSChoo on Feb 5, 2010 5:25 AM EST reply actions  

Looks like the premise of this post is now a moot point, anyway. And with Hudson off the table too, it looks like it’s just zoning regulations and Tremont bars – and possible grammar lessons – from here on out. Let’s get a thousand!

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by Ockus_NYC on Feb 5, 2010 9:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Damn that Shapiro! He can’t even sign marginal free agents properly!

I've really got to change my signature.

by emd2k3 on Feb 5, 2010 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

In case I missed it, did anyone want either of these guys in a Tribe uni next year?

No, not you. Your helmet!

by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 5, 2010 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think so. At the very least there was no one vocally advocating that shaprio sign them.

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by Ockus_NYC on Feb 5, 2010 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, we could talk about what Adam Kennedy brings to the Nationals.

I've really got to change my signature.

by emd2k3 on Feb 5, 2010 9:58 AM EST reply actions  

I think I’m going to go to a few Nationals games this summer. Phil? Anyone else in the area? Any series stand out?

by Gradyforpresident on Feb 5, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think I’ve ever been down in, what, Navy Yard, yes?

by Gradyforpresident on Feb 5, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes. Of course, before the Nats you almost certainly never had any reason to go there. Unless you were in the Navy.

I’m definitely going to a game or two.

by FredOx on Feb 5, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Other than a presidential name?

by cleveland teamer on Feb 5, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

According to Ken Rosenthal, we offered Hudson $10M over 2 years.

http://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/8690481335

by JP_Frost on Feb 5, 2010 3:25 PM EST reply actions  

a second year? what must they know about valbuena?

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by Ockus_NYC on Feb 5, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Why did he turn this down?

by Roger Dorn on Feb 5, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

i’m glad he did, though. aren’t you? if, in fact, this was the offer.

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by Ockus_NYC on Feb 5, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I actually really like Hudson, so I would have been okay with it. I think 2 years is my happy place with contracts for guys that I don’t see as long-term solutions.

by Roger Dorn on Feb 5, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

"I'm a baseball lifer. It's what I do." —Manny Acta

by westbrook on Feb 5, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

However, deal was backloaded. Lots of $$$ in buyout of 3rd-yr. option.

So Hudson would have been giving up control for 2011 and 2012. He’s still in the mode of playing for a larger multi-year deal at some point. If he takes the Indians’ offer, he’s probably never getting that longer, larger deal.

Makes perfect sense that he turned it down and no reflection on the Indians. I don’t even see it as a bad reflection on Valbuena, Donald, etc. Those guys are young, and they have options. Hudson is a great asset with that contract, regardless of if or when you flip him or keep him.

by Jay on Feb 5, 2010 6:54 PM EST up reply actions  

The Twins also promised not to offer him arbitration if he becomes a Type-A free agent.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Feb 6, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Is that so? Well, obviously we can see where his head is on this.

by Jay on Feb 6, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes, here’s Rosenthal:

#Twins deal with Hudson is indeed one year, $5 million. Team agreed not to offer him arbitration if he is a Type A free agent

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Feb 6, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, we must not be quite as cash-strapped as I’d feared in interpreting the Shoppach situation.

by jhon on Feb 5, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

i feel like they’re clearance shopping. if there’s a good sale, they might buy it, even if they don’t need it.

by Brick. on Feb 5, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I replied from LGT’s Twitter account:

@Ken_Rosenthal From Hudson’s persepctive, Indians deal wasn’t really “high bid,” since he’d give up hope of a bigger payday in 2011 or 2012.

Betcha he repeats this point in the next day or two.

by Jay on Feb 5, 2010 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

What other free agent 2Bs are out there?

by Matt in LA on Feb 5, 2010 3:54 PM EST reply actions  

None worth spending money on.

by Jay on Feb 5, 2010 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

As Jay says, nobody really worth looking into….but I have a feeling another former Red might get a look, AKA Felipe Lopez.

Just a hunch though, the Indians apparently really wanted to add a 2nd baseman, although, a solid fielding one.

by GoTribe028 on Feb 5, 2010 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

How about we get John Lannan and Ryan Zimmerman?

Speaking of which… guys, remember when we tried naming the Nats rotation without looking?

"I'm a baseball lifer. It's what I do." —Manny Acta

by westbrook on Feb 6, 2010 12:19 AM EST up reply actions  

All of them, or just one?

by Jay on Feb 6, 2010 1:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I was mostly right.
http://www.letsgotribe.com/2009/8/18/993024/indians-sign-first-rounder-pick#19838361

"I'm a baseball lifer. It's what I do." —Manny Acta

by westbrook on Feb 6, 2010 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

(mostly right about the thread, not the names per se)

"I'm a baseball lifer. It's what I do." —Manny Acta

by westbrook on Feb 6, 2010 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Is Matt Chico still around?

Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile

by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Feb 6, 2010 9:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Is Felipe available? I would not mind him for a year.

by Roger Dorn on Feb 6, 2010 12:49 AM EST up reply actions  

i’m glad i’m at the computer. i’m going to wait till it seems like chuck and the gang are almost done. then, i’ll have read (z’d) most of the new comments, where the rest of you will come on here tomorrow or monday and have all these new comments to sift through.

by Brick. on Feb 5, 2010 10:43 PM EST reply actions  

So whattya think a calzone is Brick?

Resident LGT results-oriented boob.

by mauichuck on Feb 5, 2010 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Is it me, or is that plate is to fancy for a calzone? [I only did the italics because you guys did.]

No, not you. Your helmet!

by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 5, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

No plate is too fancy for something as wonderful as a calzone….

by GoTribe028 on Feb 6, 2010 12:21 AM EST up reply actions  

That’s clearly a stromboli plate.

I've really got to change my signature.

by emd2k3 on Feb 6, 2010 12:35 AM EST up reply actions  

It means “sock” or “pants”. The food thing is a reference to a “bigga socka”.

Resident LGT results-oriented boob.

by mauichuck on Feb 5, 2010 11:11 PM EST up reply actions  

The juxtaposition of “sock” and “pants” struck me as funny here.

Everybody should get ice cream every day.

by Joel D on Feb 6, 2010 12:35 AM EST up reply actions  

That was Lou Sockalexis’ third nickname, right after “Chief” and “The Deerfoot of the Diamond.”

by YoDaddyWags on Feb 6, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think I’ve ever had a calzone.

by Gradyforpresident on Feb 6, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

No calzone in Iowa? Even with witness protection?

by Jay on Feb 6, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I wasn’t about to get one from Pizza Hut.

by Gradyforpresident on Feb 6, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes you have, but no one folded it in half and put the sauce in a cup instead of on the dough under the cheese. It was called a pizza.

No, not you. Your helmet!

by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 6, 2010 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

that place ran the old cup o’ pizza place out of business.

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by Ockus_NYC on Feb 6, 2010 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Was there ever really a cup-o-pizza place or was that just in the Jerk?

No, not you. Your helmet!

by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 6, 2010 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

to my knowledge, cup-o-pizza has never existed. jerk reference.

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by Ockus_NYC on Feb 6, 2010 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Ding ding. Exactly why I’ve never had a calzone.

"I'm a baseball lifer. It's what I do." —Manny Acta

by westbrook on Feb 6, 2010 7:33 PM EST up reply actions  

shapiro expresses some reservations concerning valgood’s range.

by emil minty on Feb 6, 2010 8:54 PM EST reply actions  

Very hearty congratulations on young master T.D. I am sorry that he has to shoulder such heavy burdens so quickly. But, as Kingsley Amis so wisely noted,
Life is mainly grief and labor;
Two things get you through:
Chuckling when it hits your neighbor,
Whinging when it’s you.

He might as well get started early.

by YoDaddyWags on Feb 7, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Better start him drinking young.

Congratulations.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Feb 7, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Congrats! Hopefully he won’t have to wait long to see his first Cleveland championship; 4 months would be nice.

by Buckeye Brad on Feb 7, 2010 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

HUZZAH

Let’s see a picture.

by Jay on Feb 7, 2010 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Congrats! You gonna call him Tris’ or Spoke?

No, not you. Your helmet!

by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 7, 2010 11:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Mazel tov!

Resident LGT results-oriented boob.

by mauichuck on Feb 8, 2010 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Atta boy!

Welcome back, Sandy! ATALECG...

by USSChoo on Feb 8, 2010 4:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Congrats!

Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile

by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Feb 8, 2010 6:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Congratulations!

I've really got to change my signature.

by emd2k3 on Feb 7, 2010 11:30 PM EST reply actions  

How bout that Super Bowl? I bet at least one Indian, former Indian, or, um, guy who has been to an Indian game was there.

by Matt in LA on Feb 8, 2010 1:10 PM EST reply actions  

I’’ll bite. Happy to see the Saints win, and happy to see Brees perform so well on that stage.

I've really got to change my signature.

by emd2k3 on Feb 8, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Two little talked about items worth noting:

1. The Saints had never been in a Super Bowl prior to yesterday.
2. Peyton Manning could have cemented his legacy with a win yesterday.

by Brick. on Feb 8, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

His legacy isn’t funny SNL commercials?

by Jay on Feb 8, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

commercials. they too play a big part in all that is the super bowl. some may not know this, but the add space during the big game is quite pricey. did you know that some people watch the games more for the commercials than for the game itself?

by Brick. on Feb 8, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I know we’re goofing around here, but I thought a couple commercials stood out above the pack. Granted, I saw maybe 1/4 of them, since my crew kept flipping over to the puppy bowl on animal planet.

I liked the Doritos commercials and the ones with the panicked chickens—I think the latter was for Denny’s. There’s just something about a barnyard animal in humans clothing that I find irresistibly funny.

by jhon on Feb 8, 2010 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

No way man.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Feb 8, 2010 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

The Letterman-Leno-Oprah commercial was easily the highlight for me.

by VA tribe fan on Feb 8, 2010 11:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I liked the chicken that was screaming in space.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Feb 9, 2010 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

That was excellent.

by jhon on Feb 9, 2010 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m pretty sure this was one of his first commercials. And still my favorite. It blew me away that he could actually deliver the joke how it was supposed to be read.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Feb 8, 2010 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

How ’bout that Serie del Caribe? Who would have thought Venezuela would have played so poorly?

No, not you. Your helmet!

by PatBordersHelmet on Feb 8, 2010 2:15 PM EST reply actions  

They just couldn’t match up with Mexico. And their team .531 OPS, compared to Peurto Rico’s .775, has got to make them wary of returning to face Chavez’s wrath.

by YoDaddyWags on Feb 8, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

The best part of the series was the unis. I wish the Tribe could play sporting giant GLBC logos.

by FredOx on Feb 8, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Sad.

But wait, as I think about the performance of the 2009 Indians … not sad.

I've really got to change my signature.

by emd2k3 on Feb 9, 2010 12:14 AM EST up reply actions  

To help with the post count:

Kyle Farnsworth will be lengthened out to a starter.

I am so glad I have the Extra Innings package.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Feb 11, 2010 12:44 PM EST reply actions  

Any word on if Extra Innings will go full time HD this season? Might have an impact on if I purchase any sort of package.

by Roger Dorn on Feb 11, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

my building just signed a contract to swtich the whole building to uverse. it’s my understanding i will no longer be able to get MLB network or Extra Innings. I can however get the 5000 channel package and get STO, i guess. not sure if games would be blacked out. anyone know how that works?

by Brick. on Feb 11, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

All pro games are blacked out unless you have EI.

Time to move.

by Jay on Feb 11, 2010 9:18 PM EST up reply actions  

They’re paying him $4.5 mil. I guess their attitude is that this is the way to get Farnsworth’s monies worth.

The Royals are scheduled to spend $70mil in 2010, compared with the Indians’ $50 mil payroll.

by jhon on Feb 11, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

But…but…but, the Royals are showing their fans that they’re serious about winning by being active this off-season.

by The DiaTriber on Feb 11, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure. Just as serious as the Pirates were when they traded for Matt Morris.

Man, what I wouldn’t give for a recording of the phone call when that deal got done.

by Jay on Feb 11, 2010 9:19 PM EST up reply actions  

David Glass is no cheapskate, that’s for sure. He cares about winning.

by odradek on Feb 11, 2010 2:44 PM EST reply actions  

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