Early Weekend 6-pack (3/11/10)
by APV on Mar 11, 2010 3:08 PM EST
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...AND GAME THREAD (CLE @ CHW)
Ahh...sunshine and baseball. Might as well throw our first early weekend 6-pack of the year into the mix. Feel free to use this as a gamethread for today's game as well. Lots of kids out there today:
CF Brantley, 2B Valbuena, DH Santana, RF Kearns, 3B Chisenhall, 1B, Hodges, C Marson, LF Weglarz, SS Donald. RHP Talbot
1. One of the biggest questions for the Tribe to answer in Spring Training is who will be occupying the 4th and 5th slots in the rotation. For the sake of perspective, here is some of what we were discussing a year ago on the topic, when the battle was for the fifth rotation spot between Sowers, Laffey and Scott Lewis.
- Spring training battles (3/22/09)
- Pecota '08 (3/17/09)
- Rotation preview, part 1 (2/11/09)
- Rotation preview, part 2 (2/19/09)
- Rotation preview, part 2 (3/5/09)
2. Thinking ahead to the regular season, the Indians don't exactly have the nicest early season schedule. They begin with series at Chicago and Detroit, before returning home to open against the Rangers. Chicago then comes to town for another series, before Cleveland makes a trip out west to face Minnesota, Oakland and the Angels. The month ends with the Twins heading back to Cleveland to begin a series. All told, the Indians play 13 of their 22 games in April against AL Central opponents,
3. The biggest news around baseball so far this Spring is probably Joe Nathan's torn UCL and the likelihood that he will miss the entire 2010 season. This is obviously quite a blow to the Twins. In his six seasons with Minnesota, Nathan has made 412 appearances out the pen while posting an ERA of 1.87. He has finished 361 games, saving 246 of them. He struck out 1.26 batters per inning pitched and only walked 0.29 batters per inning. Compare those numbers to the other pitchers on the Twins 40-man roster.
Scott Baker - 2 major league relief appearances in 5 seasons. Nick Blackburn made 6 relief appearances his rookie season (2007) with an ERA over 7. Alex Burnett is one of the few minor league bullpen arms on their roster, having transitioned to a bullpen role last season. He pitched a very effective 55 innings last season in AA, but hasn't pitched above that level. 13 career minor league saves. Clay Condrey has 4 major league saves, but he did once save 20 games...in 1999 while pitching for the Fort Wayne Wizards. Jesse Crain, despite recording a career best 7.5 K/9 last season, reached a 4-year low of 1.59 K/BB. He has finished 78 games at the big league level, though. Rob Delaney is probably the minor leaguer most likely to join the Twins bullpen this season. He has been a reliever his entire minor league career and spent all of last season at the AAA level. Unfortunately, while as recently as 2007 he saved 35 games in the minors with an ERA just a hair over 1.00, last season was actually his worst season on a statistical performance basis. Brian Duensing is a lesser version of Frank Herrmann as near as I can tell. Deolis Guerra is the only person in pro-ball with the name Deolis, but is also a AA minor league starter. Matt Guerrier, in addition to being my former Cleveland neighbor, is coming off his best professional season and is the name most often mentioned to fill in Nathan's role. Should that happen he would represent much more of a ball-in-play style of closer for the Twins, as he struck out batters at half the rate of Nathan last season. Francisco Liriano is an intriguing possibility, but the buzz around him has been his return to the rotation after a dominating winterball performance. I can't acknowledge that Jeff Manship is named Manship, let alone that he is a major league pitcher. Jose Mijares has nice numbers, but has primarily been used against lefties and could possibly be the Twins only lefty in the bullpen. Pat Neshek is another possibility, but he is coming off injury and wouldn't be a beginning of the season option. Carl Pavano...hah. Glen Perkins...blah. The enormous Jon Rauch (6'11" 290) actually has the most closing experience of anyone not named Joe Nathan on the Twins roster. He spent some time as a closer for the Nationals in 2008 and owns 26 career major league saves. He pitched well in his brief stint with the Twins last season. Kevin Slowey is slated for the rotation. He also gave up a potentially uncomfortable amount of hits last season to think about as a closer (11+/9IP). Anthony Swarzak is a career minor league starter. Loek Van Mil, last, but certainly not least given that he stands 7'1". He's only reached the AA level and has extremely questionable control and marginal numbers. He gets my vote.
4. Speaking of big pitchers, I pointed out a couple of weeks ago to this common attribute in the pitchers acquired by Cleveland last year. Just for fun, let's pretend that the Indians 2012 starting rotation was Fausto Carmona (6'4" 225), Justin Masterson (6'6" 250), Nick Hagadone (6'5" 230), Jason Knapp (6'5" 235) and Kelvin De La Cruz (6'5" 200). That is about 32.1 feet and more than 1140 pounds of pitching. Compare that to our projected AL Central opponents for this season:
- Royals: 31.0 feet, 1050 pounds
- Tigers: 31.7 feet, 1040 pounds
- Twins: 31.5 feet, 1105 pounds
- White Sox: 31.1 feet 1120 pounds
The smallest version of the Indians pitching staff (and one of the least likely) I could come up with would be Huff, Sowers, Laffey, Rondon and Pino. That group is 30.5 feet and weighs a paltry 925 pounds.
5. Indians Spring Training Stats can be found here. If you want to get more detailed boxscore information, including pitch f/x data in the spring facilities for which those data are available, check out this link.
6. I don't really care who is performing well at this early stage, but it might be worth noticing what fringe guys (and not-so-fringe guys) are off to a bad start:
- Brian Bixler: 1-8, 4 Ks, 0 BBs
- Beau Mills: 0-7
- Frank Herrmann: 1.1 IP, 4H, 3R, 1K
- Tony Sipp: 2 IP, 4H, 3R, 1BB, 0K
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I have no idea if this is true, but it seems as if the Indians pitchers not coming off elbow surgery have thrown a lot of strikes this spring.
I just graduated from Auburn. We all called him The Chiz.
by Chief Wahoo on Mar 13, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
The scouting reports have been pretty positive. Valbuena’s UZR numbers weren’t good, but it’s certainly not a large enough sample size to take it seriously.
I still think a platoon of Valbuena and Donald will be very strong offensively.
Not that there is any reason for him to continue this pattern, but Valbuena’s career to this point has been a tale of failures in his first shot for any given organizational level, followed by a repeat at the same level and a very solid season. He flashed some above-average power at 2B in what would have been his failure season at the big league level. So maybe a breakout?
But the fact that some geniuses were laughed at does not imply that all who are laughed at are geniuses. They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright Brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.
by gorilla_baller on Mar 11, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Another tweet from Hoynes, reposted without comment:
Wonder if Ricky Rincon, the reliever the Indians received for Giles from the Pirates, is back in Mexico tending his lemon trees?
Brantley supposedly made a good catch to rob Konerko of extra bases. Really showed off his speed according to the radio feed.
Yeah, I think that’s their invention.
by cleveland teamer on Mar 11, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
Every time I read Castro in this thread I think you guys are talking about him being in the booth or something.
... Paul Hoynes is a really great guy ...
keithlaw I remember cards fans giving me grief for saying Chris Perez was just a setup man. I might have been too kind.
I mean, why not just say that Droobs is going to have an awesome year because he went 3-4? I think he’s just trying to stir people up.
Who scored?
Tribe in 2010!! Maybe.
by indiansfan20062000 on Mar 11, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks. Me too.
Tribe in 2010!! Maybe.
by indiansfan20062000 on Mar 11, 2010 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
He is our other Rule 5 from the Giants. http://mlb.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=447849
Welcome back, Sandy! ATALECG...
Guilty.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Mar 11, 2010 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
Is our top half over now?
Tribe in 2010!! Maybe.
by indiansfan20062000 on Mar 11, 2010 5:54 PM EST reply actions
I can be optimistic. How many outs?
Tribe in 2010!! Maybe.
by indiansfan20062000 on Mar 11, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
“Normally in ST they play as long as they have pitchers that they want to get work. And I would love to tell you who the pitcher is now for the White Sox, but I have no idea who he is.”
Welcome back, Sandy! ATALECG...
The caissons are rolling and so is the Tribe,
Unbeaten? Unbeaten! (One tie.)
Let’s hie to the local; it’s time to imbibe!
Chief Wahoo is sure one fun guy.
The masons are building a vict’ry column,
They put it up on the first try!
The multitude looks on, suitably solemn.
They may be a wee tad gun-shy.
There’s Willie Mays catching the fly on the run,
And Byner is dropping the ball,
And Jordan is hitting a shot that will stun
The 20K fans in the hall.
But let us not dwell upon things we can’t change,
Cry in our beer, let loose a sigh,
For tonight the news is most wondrously strange:
Unbeaten? Unbeaten! (One tie.)
by YoDaddyWags on Mar 11, 2010 8:13 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
We’re on pace to go 135-0-27…..
Tribe in 2010!! Maybe.
by indiansfan20062000 on Mar 11, 2010 6:30 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Rondon pitched a 1-2-3 10th. Wegz with 3 walks. Brantley got the announcers excited at the plate and in the field. Made a very nice running catch in center, and also a nice throw to the plate that would have got a runner but Marson bobbled the catch.
So far so good. Laffey, Huff and Talbot all doing well in the battle for the rotation, and Jensen Lewis well on his way towards staking a claim to a spot in the pen. Biggest story so far, I guess, is that Branyan is still not playing or practicing much. He sits much longer and it opens the roster debate back up, especially if Brantley continues to do well and LaPorta starts getting playing time at 1B.
Oh yeah, and Alex White gets his first inning as an Indian. A little wild, but started a nice double play on a comebacker after he walked the first guy.
Here’s my rank of pitchers I’m most worried about, even though I shouldn’t be worried about them this early:
1. Carlos Carrasco
2. Tony Sipp
3. Jess Todd
Todd and Carrasco will probably just go to minor league camp pretty soon. Pretty much where they expected to be anyhow.
I’m more interested in the guys that were pegged to be in a strong pen, and yeah, Sipp hasn’t looked too good so far, but it’s early and he’ll get a lot more chances to play in these games and iron it out.
i’ve got this weird thing going on where certain guys get complete passes with me for this year as far as worrying about them goes. a fausto i want to do good enough to be penned in for next year. but a choo, i just assume have a down year and bounce back next year. a carrasco and a todd can still wait till even next year to develop. the martes and sowerses are the ones i worry about – the ones we might punt on if they don’t figure it out right away and get nothing out of.
i doubt if this makes sense to anyone
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... Paul Hoynes is a really great guy ...
by westbrook on Mar 11, 2010 10:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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