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I don't meant to play the "You just don't understand yet" card but wow reading these comments is bizarre.

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Every team starts off the same way with Milton, full of hope that, this time, it’ll be different. Maybe some year it will be, and maybe the M’s will get lucky with him. I’d say the chances are 90-10 against, but I’m probably jaded.

by MTF on Mar 11, 2010 11:21 AM EST reply actions  

You would think by the 10th time or so at least some of the fans would be skeptical.

by Roger Dorn on Mar 11, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Or if not some, maybe one fan.

by Roger Dorn on Mar 11, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

or if not one fan, maybe a few uninterested observers.

by Brick. on Mar 11, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Many of the Cubbie fans were skeptical of Milton before he got there. Now, whether that was because of his inflated salary and/or their penchant for Mark DeRosa, it’s hard to say. But I would say there were a sizeable amount of fans on Bleed Cubbie Blue that hated the signing.

by Toxicadam on Mar 11, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea, I was talking specifically about LL. I didn’t phrase my comment very well.

by Roger Dorn on Mar 11, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I had a similar conversation with the guy sitting behind me at a Tribe Spring Training game in Mesa last year.

No, not you. Your helmet!

by PatBordersHelmet on Mar 11, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, the LL community is making real asses of themselves over Bradley.

I just watched the whole interview. The interviewer seems very much like she’s on Bradley’s side, inviting him over and over again to state publicly the worst things about his Cubs experience, some of which he may not have said on the record before.

I find his description of the hate mail situation to be credible, and it’s consistent with the Cubs being a poorly run and classless organization. Not to absolve Milton of his personal responsibility, but the Cubs could have and should have been more proactive in protecting the guy and even standing up for him.

Also consistent with the Cubs lameness, Hendry responds with this “man in the mirror” trope, reminding everyone that Bradley didn’t hit last year. Funny thing, though, I just watched the whole thing, and I don’t think Bradley blamed his performance on external issues even obliquely, even one time. He talked about external issues, but he made no excuses, at least on the part of the interview that aired.

by Jay on Mar 11, 2010 11:46 AM EST reply actions  

[[% reminder to self: watch when get home %]]

... Paul Hoynes is a really great guy ...

by westbrook on Mar 11, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

highjack attempt

so few votes on the featured poll.

i went with talbot.

by Brick. on Mar 11, 2010 12:06 PM EST reply actions  

i’m taking full credit for taking the vote sample from 18-53. if you don’t want to give me credit, it’s because you’re racist.

by Brick. on Mar 12, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

And here I thought I was alone in Laffey’s corner.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Mar 12, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

i still want:

CLE
1. Westy
2. Fausty
3. Masty
4. Laffey
5. Talby

COL
1. Sowers – DL and/or Designation
2. Huff
3. Carrasco
4. Rondon
5. Gomez

by Brick. on Mar 12, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I have to get to more Columbus games this year.

If Huff doesn’t destroy AAA hitters, do we wring our hands? Or go to the “bored” well?

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Mar 12, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Can someone explain why we want Talbot instead of Sowers, other than boredom?

by Jay on Mar 12, 2010 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you want to throw out Sower’s major league numbers? Congrats on having success at AAA at ages 25 and 26, but all the markers suggest he’d get eviscerated by major league hitters. And he has.

Talbot’s AAA record is roughly similar in quality (better Ks, worse ERA), and maybe it will also translate poorly. But we know that Sowers’ stuff does. Or, at least, we have 400 innings that suggest it.

Talbot has been hurt more, but Sowers is hurt right now.

by dgcambridge on Mar 12, 2010 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay. I just wanted to see if someone could explain it.

Bottom line, they’re both fringy, and they’re both out of options.

by Jay on Mar 13, 2010 12:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Fringy is the new gritty.

Welcome back, Sandy! ATALECG...

by USSChoo on Mar 13, 2010 12:54 AM EST up reply actions  

And the old gritty.

by Jay on Mar 13, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

And all the gritty in between?

Welcome back, Sandy! ATALECG...

by USSChoo on Mar 13, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Except for Tim Raines, yes.

by Jay on Mar 13, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Talbot looked like a better prospect from 2006-2008 than Sowers looked anytime outside of 2005. And as dgcambridge says, Talbot has only had 9 innings at the big league level to show his stuff is marginal, whereas Sowers has repeatedly demonstrated that now for 400 innings.

by APV on Mar 13, 2010 8:59 AM EST up reply actions  

“Sowers, he is who he is. And because he wasn’t ready to get real with the story, that s*** caught up with him.”

by Gradyforpresident on Mar 13, 2010 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

i also like hoarding assets, even fringy ones. i think sowers is in a position where we can hang on to him and get him in the minors one way and/or the other. see if talbot is anything in the meantime. if not, so be it, then waiver him at that point and go with sowers if huff or carrasmezdon aren’t the way to go.

by Brick. on Mar 13, 2010 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

this is what I want as well.

... Paul Hoynes is a really great guy ...

by westbrook on Mar 12, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Who are we getting back from the Rockies?

Is this the whale section?

by sarcasmdave on Mar 14, 2010 3:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Vote Laffey in 2010.

Welcome back, Sandy! ATALECG...

by USSChoo on Mar 12, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

84 votes now. laffey and huff running away from talbot

by Brick. on Mar 13, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I watched the interview and he was talking about receiving hate mail only with the Dodgers, Oakland(?) and Chicago. Then he talked about seeing letters come in from places like Mansfield, OH. I chuckled a little bit because, honestly, I could give two hoots for this guy’s feelings. Poor attitude aside, I’ve never seen a player blame someone else for his troubles so frequently. It is nauseating.

Welcome back, Sandy! ATALECG...

by USSChoo on Mar 11, 2010 12:15 PM EST reply actions  

It seems to me Jay tried to talk to them sensibly about Milton a couple of months ago, and they jumped all over him for it, but I couldn’t find the post. Also! Someone is masquerading with FredOx’s avatar over there. Lawsuit?

by YoDaddyWags on Mar 11, 2010 12:53 PM EST reply actions  

Oh, here it is. They made him use the subject line, too.

by YoDaddyWags on Mar 11, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow. Insular group.

by MTF on Mar 11, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

The only thing I will say after reading that is that I still think there is more downside to Bradley than even Jay is letting on. Someone there made the comment that short of Bradley physically attacking and injuring a teammate, they win the trade. I actually think Bradley’s presence alone can have a negative impact on the club, moreso than if they had even kepy Carlos Silva. There is a chance that Bradley does fine for a year, and Seattle benefits greatly, but they really are downplaying the downside of acquiring Milton.

Also, CapSea needs to lighten up.

by Roger Dorn on Mar 11, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Remember that time Milton got 500AB? You’ll have to think back hard because it was 2004.

FACT: He sucks.

by gte619n on Mar 11, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

He doesn’t suck. There’s value in 350-400 AB of 130ish OPS+

by Voltaire on Mar 11, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I just think he is one of those guys who’s impact goes beyond his on-field production.

by Roger Dorn on Mar 11, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

See, that’s the problem with Milton, the 350-400AB of 130ish OPS+ guy DOES NOT EXIST. In Milton’s NINE YEAR career he has had 350ab and put up a 130 OPS+ TWICE (03, 08). In this nine year time period, he has managed to alienate EVERYONE he’s ever known and collected $47 million.

Milton Sucks, period. He sucks as a player, he sucks as a baseball asset and he REALLY sucks as a person.

by gte619n on Mar 12, 2010 8:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Good point.

I also like how he compares himself to a slave. That says it all right there.

by Jay on Mar 12, 2010 8:51 AM EST up reply actions  

So I overstated each number a tiny bit when I estimated – make the AB 300 (he averages 326 a year). In the last 5 years, he’s averaged a 128 OPS+. Less valuable, still productive on the field. I’m not even getting into the off-field issues, or the salary, but he’s not a bad baseball player.

by Voltaire on Mar 12, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

(Now) brutal in the field. At least he can DH in the AL.

STBNL

by emd2k3 on Mar 14, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Question: doesn’t the idea that Bradley’s attitude can hurt the team the opposite end of the same spectrum that claims Nixon’s gritty leadership will make the team play better?

by Voltaire on Mar 14, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know how this site feels about fangraphs, but I think a quick glance at WAR couldn’t hurt too much. He’s averaged about 2.9 WAR/year for 8 years, and has been below 2 just twice. The guy is still a useful baseball player. I’m not going to argue against any points that he detracts from the team, possibly even making his teammates worse, and I wouldn’t want to deal with him on my team, but if there was a scenario where Milton the player could be separated from Milton the person, he would be useful.

by 7foot3 on Mar 12, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you would find that lots of us read, check out, and use fangraphs all the time. I know I do. I just think they take some of their arguments to absurd conclusions without any degree of self-reflexivity.

by APV on Mar 12, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, doesn’t really stop us from browsing the site and holding out hope for solid articles.

Welcome back, Sandy! ATALECG...

by USSChoo on Mar 12, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Unfortunately, you can’t. That’s the problem.

by gte619n on Mar 12, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Although it would be pretty awesome if you could just take the parts of players you wanted and leave the bad stuff behind. Like the monster maker toy I had in the 1970s.

by FredOx on Mar 12, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Like the monster maker toy I had in the 1970s

I had that thing to. It was awesome.

by APV on Mar 12, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

holy crap, i had this. and hadn’t thought about since then it till this second.

by Brick. on Mar 12, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Also fun:

Too bad you can’t sell kids toys that include a hotplate for melting plastic goop into aluminum molds anymore.

by FredOx on Mar 12, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Kids + hot plates = good times

Also, kids plus large optical lens = fantastic times

by APV on Mar 12, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I had this. I think I knew at the time: this is too fun to not be dumb. Although when I was a pup, we had some gnarly metal jungle gym structures that you could really scale and dangle off of. Not like the big squishy little tykes Safe Zones kids are stuck with today.

by joeee on Mar 12, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Holy crap. I had this. And hadn’t thought about since then it till this second.

STBNL

by emd2k3 on Mar 14, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

The subject line thing was humiliating.

I was quite struck by all the chest-beating they do about their intelligence, smack in the middle of a bona fide, screechingly self-evident example of absurdly selective interpretation of the data.

Makes you wonder about us.

by Jay on Mar 11, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

i can’t read better than them

by Brick. on Mar 11, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Makes you wonder about us.

I did just that when I read through that thread. And I think we do a better job of allowing disagreement and argument than they do. We probably legitimately deserve a certain degree of group-think criticism, but not to the extent that they appear to have. Or maybe it is just the opposing effects of optimism and pessimism that make the difference.

by APV on Mar 11, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Plus, an ironclad no-subject-line rule is demonstrably superior to an ironclad subject-lines-all-the-time policy.

by FredOx on Mar 11, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

i wouldn’t mind it so much if it were used as a subject line instead of the first several words of the first sentence of the post. it’s just downright hard to read. one to talk, i know, but still.

by Brick. on Mar 11, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s exactly the problem. The subject line shows up here occasionally, when it is used as a subject line.

Welcome back, Sandy! ATALECG...

by USSChoo on Mar 11, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Those comments take me back to when I lived in Seattle. It is a great, great city but there is a real pie-in-the-sky, glass 3/4 full, ethos that I just never understood. I actually usually like LL quite a lot, but they are being really naive here.

In any event, as soon as MB goes down with one of his annual injuries, the whole thing will be over anyway.

by jdudas on Mar 11, 2010 1:43 PM EST reply actions  

You live in Seattle? Ever spend time in Portland and if so how do you compare the two? My gf and I are thinking of moving to the North West next year.

Welcome back, Sandy! ATALECG...

by USSChoo on Mar 11, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

i’ll chime in here, as i lived in seattle for 10 years before moving east this year, and have spent a bit of time visiting portland. portland is smaller, but has the advantage of being organized on a grid and having good public transport and bike lanes. i’ve always felt a certain cinci vibe in portland, though. high rate of mustaches on young dudes, for example. whatever that means. seattle is beautiful, mountains and water both very accessible, but the city is poorly organized – kind of a collection of neighborhoods more than a cohesive city. but, there are some mighty fine neighborhoods, with some mightly fine bars and restaurants. and music.
truthfully, you can’t go wrong way in either city.

by macasson on Mar 11, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Five years in Seattle, a long time ago. Beautiful city, but the grayness will get to you. The city rates vary highly on the PCier-than-thou scale. Skid Row lives! Saw more bar fights in 5 years in Seattle than 20 in New York City. And Elliott Bay Books, a fixture forever in Pioneer Square, near the Kingdome or whatever they have now—Safeco? Can you name a ballpark Safeco?—fled to Capitol Hill because the winos finally got to ’em. Rule Number One: Do. Not. Disrespect. Samoan. Softball. Teams. In. Front. Of. Their. Women.

by YoDaddyWags on Mar 11, 2010 6:29 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Thanks to both of ya. The climate is what is really driving my desire to move up there. The music isn’t doing any harm either.

Welcome back, Sandy! ATALECG...

by USSChoo on Mar 11, 2010 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t currently live there, but I did for 6 years some time ago. Personally I preferred Seattle, although, to be fair, I had limited opportunities to visit Portland. And, really, if you’re thinking of living in Seattle, you really can’t go wrong.

In terms of neighborhoods: Capitol Hill is hipster haven; Ballard is where the cool people live; Wallingford has great coffee houses and breakfast places; and North Seattle (U. District; Maple Leaf; Ravenna) is for married people like me.

by jdudas on Mar 11, 2010 9:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I found this post hilarious.

by gte619n on Mar 12, 2010 8:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I spent last week in Portland, and the place is too-good-to-be true. If you like the Good Life—eating, drinking, friends, little concern for income and status—Portland is a good destination.

The hundreds of delicious and exotic food carts in downtown were a revelation for me. I’ve never seen anything like it in a major city before.

I went expecting to be merely tolerated, but the people are shockingly nice, as nice and hospitable as I’ve met anywhere.

The one negative thing that will really standout—especially if you’re from Cleveland—is the near total lack of diversity.

by jhon on Mar 12, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I live in Vancouver (just over the river in WA). Been here two years but haven’t had the time to spend too much time in Portland.

But from the limited experience I have had, Portland is a fine city. Lots of brewpubs (good ones too). Old town feel as well (narrow streets, older buildings like you’d find back east).

Everyone not from here complains about the weather, but in actuality, there is the same amount of rainfall here as in Ohio, it just is spread over many more days. But summers are pleasant enough. Only about an hour from the ocean and about 90 minuted from skiing at Mount Hood. Plenty of outdoor stuff to do as well, up and down the Columbian river.

by talonk on Mar 12, 2010 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Jack Z changes everything. You people seem to keep forgetting that.

by FredOx on Mar 11, 2010 1:58 PM EST reply actions  

Magic Jack! ©

Welcome back, Sandy! ATALECG...

by USSChoo on Mar 11, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Meh. Let the sun shine out of their ass a little. They had Bavasi.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Mar 11, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

We had Bavasi, and Bavasi had them.

by Jay on Mar 11, 2010 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Hat tip, sir.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Mar 12, 2010 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m still eager to see how Georgio Rosario turns out.

by jhon on Mar 12, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Milton Bradley generates opinions more than he generates runs, and he generates a lot of runs.

Except, you know, when he’s suspended, or hurt, or just sucks.

by fwembt on Mar 11, 2010 2:48 PM EST reply actions  

i tried for a 15-20 seconds. couldn’t turn this into a jordan brown fake dig. best i came up with was “jordan brown doesn’t even have a top 20 timeline”

by Brick. on Mar 11, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Was it Milton or Phillips who decided to chuck their ranch dressing at their waitress at Diana’s in Lakewood?

by The Grimace on Mar 11, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Bradley wore the “F____ Wedge” shirt to ST, right?

by afh4 on Mar 11, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

i don’t remember that. must have been BP pay content.

by Brick. on Mar 11, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

you’re gonna use this one the whole season.

by Gradyforpresident on Mar 11, 2010 9:02 PM EST up reply actions  

excellent article.

by gte619n on Mar 11, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok, I watched it. I don’t really I think I have much of a reaction. Other than he seems to like assuming people are going to abuse him.

... Paul Hoynes is a really great guy ...

by westbrook on Mar 11, 2010 4:55 PM EST reply actions  

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