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I Still Do Not Like The Twins


But this time, it had to happen. It was meant to happen. And for once, the right player, the right agent and the right team came along to recognize that they couldn't possibly have it any other way.

The quote's from Jayson Stark's long, purple prose piece on Mauer's extension. Since news of the Mauer signing came down, a lot of people, including members of this community that I respect to the utmost, have held up the mammoth, $184M extension as something that is not just good for Mauer or the Twins but is also good for baseball and, perhaps, even good for our very souls as baseball fans. It has been asserted, both implicitly and explicitly, that Mauer being in Minnesota for all time is somehow an appropriate karmic balance to the extravagances of the Northeastern spendthrifts and that our universe is a kinder, nicer place for the have-nots and never-wills of the world because Joe decided to keep his midwestern smile in his home state for all time. 

I do not buy it. The universe is still as terrible a place as it was the day before the signing and I'll tell you one of the big reasons why: the Minnesota Twins still exist. 

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I cannot and will not get on board with anything that transmits good vibrations in the direction of the Minnesota Twins. You feel happy because something good happened to the Twins? THE TWINS? Everything good always happens to the Twins! That's why I hate them! 

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I think we all got pretty serious about hating the Twins back in 2002. That was when the Twins took the first of their recent vintage AL Central crowns and they did it with a real humdinger of a ball club. I say "humdinger of a ball club" because I assume that's how Morton Goldblatt, the town dentist in Big Falls, MN, would want me to say it. I mean look at this team: Cristian Guzman at SS! A.J. Pierzynski behind the dish! Doug Mientkiewcz, the slickest fielding first basemen you've ever seen (seriously, why did most of America go along with the idea that anyone was allowed to make a living as defensively minded first basemen?)! Then there's the rotation, featuring 92 starts by Rick Reed, Kyle Lohse and Eric Milton. Now, I know what you're thinking: "This team seems irritating and terrible." And, I won't argue that point except, there it is, 94 wins and a division championship. Lest we neglect to notice, the Twins pythagorean put them at 86 wins which happened to be the same as the White Sox's pythagorean that season, but, whatever. The Twins won the division! They would do that a bunch more times, winning it in 2003 (85 pythag wins, 90 actual), in 2004 (87 pythag wins, 92 actual), 2006 (93 pythag wins, 96 actual), and 2009 (86 pythag wins, 87 actual). 

In these golden years of Twins baseball that we've all been living in they've managed to draft Joe Mauer because Mark Prior (justifiably) hated Minnesota, give David Ortiz away for nothing and have it not matter, watch their best veteran player negotiate through the media and fist fight with younger teammates, again to no ill-effect, see Rule 5 draftee Johan Santana become the best player in franchise history (Hector Ambriz for the Hall), lose the best young pitcher in baseball to injury, again to no ill-effect, and become the nation's darlings because of their insistence on playing baseball the "right way", i.e. bunting and chewing tobacco. Their strategy is, essentially, a rehashing of what the Mighty Ducks do in D2 against international competition: there are a couple of actually good players and then a variety of hardworking, likable child character actors who each only has one skill that is abused to the max: as the obvious example, Nick Punto can't really hit or field but he can electrify Ron Gardenhire with his bunting, so he does that a lot. 

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All this is to say, the Twins don't need any belly rubs from me and they certainly don't deserve any. They've been the luckiest team imaginable over the last decade and I, as a fan of the most unlucky teams of, oh I don't know, maybe all time, don't have any interest in getting the warm-fuzzies over the fact that they got to keep their franchise player while my team lost two Cy Young winners in the last two seasons because, apparently, Northern Ohio is not as charming a locale for millionaires as Minnesota. 

I hate the Minnesota Twins. The Twins are what would happen if Joe Buck's fantasies became reality. The Twins are the most boring group of 25 men imaginable and they are led by a magical walrus that has taken human form, some pleading vocalization for tradition cribbed from a native people's folk tale. And, the Twins know they are this boring, so what do they do? They run around all the time, thinking that will fool us. It's not fooling me, Twins. It's not fooling anybody. You're the straight-laced kid who shows up at the school dance with new Zubaz and a flattop, starts talking about how he loves to jam to Little Miss Can't Be Wrong and suddenly thinks he's going to get to dance with Topanga Lawrence. You don't get to dance with Topanga, Twins. She's still Jeter's date. 

We are not all in this together, us small market teams. We are the crabs in the bucket and the only way we're going to get out is to step on each other and now one of the other crabs has a quick-wristed catcher in place of a claw. Great. 

Am I happy they signed Mauer? No. Even a little bit? No. Why would I be? All this does is strengthen the competition. It doesn't make it any more likely that one of the Indians' important star players will take a lock-up deal. It doesn't set a precedent for anyone except for somebody who might idolize Joe Mauer and none of our players do that. Because they're not total dorks. It gives fodder to Selig who will, I'm sure, claim that revenue sharing money kept Mauer in Minnesota, pick up Stark's narrative and explain this is where he "had to be", where he "belonged." As if each player has a destiny that the finances of the league permit: Mauer's destiny is to be the most popular Minnesotan ever, whereas Mark Teixiera was born to be a Yankee, right? Ugh. 

I wish Mauer had signed with the Yankees, along with every other star of a small-market team. Scorch the earth until it's obvious to everyone that things have to change. Then again, why do the Yankees need Mauer anyway? They swept the Twins without him.

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Much credit to Tyler, who really invented hating the Twins.

by afh4 on Mar 23, 2010 2:24 PM EDT reply actions  

we do this too much, but:

This.

by Brick. on Mar 23, 2010 2:38 PM EDT reply actions  

There are two parts of this I enjoy the most.

Nick Punto gnawing on that bat like a gerbil with one of those little wooden carrots, and this:

We are not all in this together, us small market teams. We are the crabs in the bucket and the only way we’re going to get out is to step on each other and now one of the other crabs has a quick-wristed catcher in place of a claw. Great.

I think it’s funny that Tigers fans HATE the White Sox, while we Indians fans direct our ire at the Twins. At least we’re consistent with our market size, right?

it always starts the same, with a boy and a girl and a hook and a game

by ameliorate on Mar 23, 2010 3:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Don’t worry. There’s plenty of hate floating around here for the White Sox and Tigers, too.

"...maybe this year, there's no gorilla" - YoDaddyWags

by woodsmeister on Mar 23, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

This guy for one. I’d say that I hate the Twins least of all division rivals, but I have yet to find a reason to truly care about anything the Royals do.

Welcome back, Sandy! ATALECG...

by USSChoo on Mar 23, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

As an Illinois Indians Fan...

I hate the Sox waaaaaaaay more than the Twins, but the point is a good one. Unless this starts spreading all through baseball (including our guys), there isn’t much reason to celebrate just one guy doing this.

Illinois: My governor is a bigger crook than your governor

by John H IL on Mar 23, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why is this filed under humor?

by Matt in LA on Mar 23, 2010 3:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Options are limited. I didn’t think it was “analysis.”

by afh4 on Mar 23, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

People pay good money for psychoanalysis that doesn’t provide as much self-insight as this.

by FredOx on Mar 23, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I just still can’t muster any hatred for the Twins. In fact, I didn’t realize they had all those division titles because they’re so damn boring I forget they won.

"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay

by Turkmenbashi on Mar 23, 2010 3:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Isn’t it infuriating? They deserve most of our ire and they just bunt it under a magic cloak of indifference and we forget we should hate them.

by Voltaire on Mar 23, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

What it says on the Twins label: “Seeing-eye turf single. Bunt. Repeat.”

"...maybe this year, there's no gorilla" - YoDaddyWags

by woodsmeister on Mar 23, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alas, turf-less Target Field awaits!

STBNL

by emd2k3 on Mar 23, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I used to hate them for what baggy-dome did to the game of baseball. I am working on my new justification…

by stuart dean on Mar 23, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve been an Indians fan for 20+ years, I really can’t say I hate any of the other A.L. Central teams. I don’t feel there is a real rivalry in the whole division. They are to me what the Cincinnati Bengals are, an extreme annoyance, and nothing more.

by millionairesrow on Mar 23, 2010 3:19 PM EDT reply actions  

I wish Mauer had signed with the Yankees, along with every other star of a small-market team. Scorch the earth until it’s obvious to everyone that things have to change.


I agree completely. This move only prolongs the sucktitude of the league.

by ShawnK on Mar 23, 2010 3:19 PM EDT reply actions  

If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have good baseball.

by BrianRose on Mar 24, 2010 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

The characterization of Ron Gardenhire as a “magical walrus that has taken human form” is pure genius.

"...maybe this year, there's no gorilla" - YoDaddyWags

by woodsmeister on Mar 23, 2010 3:36 PM EDT reply actions  

I don’t care for the use of the word “positivity” but small complaints aside, this is a really well-written piece. Thanks so much for writing and posting it.

BTW, I, like many of you I guess, am now fully indulging in fantasy scenarios in which Fausto and Pronk revert to their glorious former selves. There’s always hope in March.

by DPS on Mar 23, 2010 3:37 PM EDT reply actions  

You know, on review, that’s a lousy word. I’ve changed it to belly rubs.

LGT: where you can edit mediocre writers!

by afh4 on Mar 23, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let’s just see how much pixie dust comes their way now that they won’t be playing on cement covered astroturf.

by elsandito on Mar 23, 2010 3:42 PM EDT reply actions  

covered by astroturf

by elsandito on Mar 23, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

sounded right the first time.

by Brick. on Mar 23, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Twins suck Sox suck Yankees suck PaleHoes suck, Tigers suck

by gte619n on Mar 23, 2010 4:06 PM EDT reply actions  

i like the lone comma. inhale, tigers too!

by Brick. on Mar 23, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I like PaleHoes suck. Sounds kind of lascivious.

by ken from alexandria on Mar 23, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or like you’re advertising hookers to neo-Nazis.

it always starts the same, with a boy and a girl and a hook and a game

by ameliorate on Mar 23, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I really thought this was gonna say

That was when the Twins took the first of their recent vintage AL Central crowns and they did it with a real humdinger of a ball club nothing with it.

... Paul Hoynes is a really great guy ...

by westbrook on Mar 23, 2010 4:34 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m actually quite excited about the Mauer contract. I’m thinking that at best this is going to work out about like Alex Rodriguez in Texas did, and has the potential to completely cripple the Twins for close to a decade. Even if he never gets hurt and his production stays strong, they’re tying up way too much money in one player for a small-market team.

by VA tribe fan on Mar 23, 2010 4:39 PM EDT reply actions  

new stadium helps

by Brick. on Mar 23, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I’m not convinced the new stadium will provide sustainable revenue. The age of shiny new ballparks attracting fans from far off places has come and gone. The O’s and Indians had the benefit of a near monopoly with their new stadiums that Minny does not have. (Camden was a tourist mecca until the team became the dregs and Cbank park opened; and Cleveland had no football while Pitt and Cincy had crappy stadiums-so Cleveland expanded it’s geographic market for a short time). Minny will not be expanding its geographic market, so the stadium will lift revenues but the honeymoon will be short.

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin

by Spidey on Mar 24, 2010 2:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Not to mention that it’s one thing to go see baseball in April in Minnesota indoors where the heat will be on, and another to see baseball in April outdoors. It will be interesting to see how long it takes until those mid-week April games against KC look deserted like they do at Progressive Field.

"...maybe this year, there's no gorilla" - YoDaddyWags

by woodsmeister on Mar 24, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

from castro:

but also the Twins are opening a publicly funded ballpark with nearly twice the season-ticket base they had in the Metrodome, and revenue (thanks to luxury suites, naming rights, etc.) is expected to rise by $50 million.

by Brick. on Mar 25, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

He’s got a full no trade clause, as well.

by gte619n on Mar 23, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

It only really matters for the first three years.

In three seasons he becomes a five-and-ten/ten-and-five player and has that luxury anyway.

by Jesse on Mar 23, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

good point. I always forget about that five-and-ten rule.

by gte619n on Mar 24, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Do you mean “at worst” the Twins are weakened; at best the Twins are crippled?

I agree that this will serve only to hurt the overall competitiveness of the Twins, unless the team expects to push payroll up to top-5 in MLB. A-Rod is a perfect example for Rangers AND the Yankees. Not until Yankees blew up their budget that they were able to overcome his contract.

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin

by Spidey on Mar 23, 2010 6:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

That’s probably a better way of wording what I meant.

by VA tribe fan on Mar 23, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

By the way, the second I read this, I scrolled down and hit rec.

Nick Punto can’t really hit or field but he can electrify Ron Gardenhire with his bunting, so he does that a lot.

... Paul Hoynes is a really great guy ...

by westbrook on Mar 23, 2010 4:45 PM EDT reply actions  

I found myself wondering today if the present value of Mauer’s contract isn’t in the neighborhood of $150MM in 2001 dollars — which would be the sum that MLB was going to pay Pohlad to contract his franchise.

O, the things you can think.

by fleerdon on Mar 23, 2010 5:51 PM EDT reply actions  

I am thinking of getting a gold plated version of this comment for my desk.

by afh4 on Mar 23, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nailed it. Great post.

I’m not emotional about iPad...

by JimmyAB on Mar 23, 2010 7:59 PM EDT reply actions  

A few things. I totally agree that the “this is great for baseball” line is kind of stupid. The Twins and other teams with similar revenues can still only afford to spend so much money. The Twins have just decided to allocate their money in a different way, which I find to be the most interesting part.

Also, this isn’t unprecedented, as I mentioned in the other thread, the Todd Helton situation is quite similar. Helton actually got one more year and if you factor that inflation stuff in, the overall contracts might be about the same, but maybe not.

I don’t think this is going to “cripple” the Twins or create major roster inflexibility. It seems like with the new stadium, the Twins have decided to expand payroll, at least for the next few years and it seems like a smart move, given the new stadium, the state of the division, and their present roster.

As for the roster inflexibility, sure, it might make them have to non-tender a guy they didn’t really want to or not be able to extend a guy, but the Twins basically don’t play the free agency game, anyways so they’ll continue to fill out the roster with guys from within and other cheap castoffs. Seriously, have they ever given a multi-year deal to a guy on the open market?

Lastly, I am not willing to give Mauer credit for taking the hometown deal when it is questionable that he would receive substantially more on the open market that he’d also have to wait 8 months to get. Yeah, way to go Joe!

by ClarkM on Mar 23, 2010 8:02 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree that this won’t be as crippling as is hoped. He’s a great player who will help a division rival for years to come. But even worse will be the number of times we have to hear idiots from the Northeast cite Mauer as evidence of competitive balance.

by odradek on Mar 23, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who is claiming competitive balance? NY and BOS are not afraid to admit they have a leg up on other teams. For them, the situation is a type of manifest destiny because they are the center of the baseball universe- the chosen ones. Thoughts of competitive balance left the station years ago.

And I don’t know why people disagree with the fact that teams who tie up 20% of salary do not win the WS. If you are telling me Minny is raising payroll to $120m and will sustain that I am concerned but I don’t see it.

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin

by Spidey on Mar 24, 2010 7:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I don’t agree with you because it’s not a true statement. In 2003, Pudge made 10 million whereas the Marlins’ entire payroll was 45 million.

More importantly though, how many teams have committed 20% of payroll to one player? The Rangers for 3 years with A-Rod, the Rockies with Helton, Giants with Bonds, and Astros with Clemens. I’m sure I’m missing some, especially teams with lower payrolls, but I don’t think it happens too often. But you’re right, these other teams couldn’t win the World Series, they could only get there.

by ClarkM on Mar 24, 2010 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

There are examples of owners who decide to try and buy a championship by overspending for a year or two, but it isn’t a sound business model. Over the longer term a team’s payroll is constrained by revenue. The Twins have been competitive by having a very good farm system and not playing on the free agent market.

This deal might work out well for them because Maurer is such an exceptional talent, but it is a huge gamble. It seems more likely that it will limit what they can spend on what they have done well in the past with limited resources.

I disagree with those that think baseball has to be “fixed” by giving all teams an equal change at winning. Big market teams have more paying fans, so they have more revenue and therefore can survive bad contracts whereas small market teams have to be smarter and better managed to compete. Small market teams have to field competitive teams to be able to generate enough revenue to have a reasonable chance to contend, but will never have a level playing field playing with the big boys.

I blame the owners lack of dicipline and good management for making “fair market value” what it has become so that teams like Cleveland can’t compete for players in their prime. Over paying on long-term contracts for players just hitting their peak isn’t good business. If Mauer stays healthy he might generate enough revenue to justify this contract, but the Twins had better keep developing exceptional young (cheap) talent to compliment Maurer’s contribution or they will find themselves in a long period of econmic decline.

by Pa tribefan on Mar 25, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I blame the owners lack of dicipline and good management for making "fair market value" what it has become so that teams like Cleveland can’t compete for players in their prime.

They tried this, and got busted for collusion. It doesn’t work that way, unless you enter into a conspiracy.

by odradek on Mar 25, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought at one point baseball had an anti-trust exemption, but I agree collusion isn’t the way to fix the game either. It only takes one owner to set the market at a value higher than makes good business sense. I still contend that most of the “market value” contracts are poor business decisions, and therefore there is a market bubble. Bubbles don’t end well.

by Pa tribefan on Mar 25, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

The antitrust exemption really only applies to not allowing teams to relocate, enter or exit the league. MLB is a legal monopoly as an association of major league baseball clubs, but that doesn’t mean they’re allowed to collude in terms of competing for talent.

by Jay on Mar 25, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not saying Andrew’s wrong, but when the public spends $400 million on the stadium, securing the Twins cap on Mauer’s HOF plaque is one nice way to say thanks.

I think it’s good—not great—for their fans. But it’s a high price. Good for ’ball? Hell no.

Great post, Andrew.

by jhon on Mar 23, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

The people of Minnesota were taxed to pay for Joe Mauer. A misappropriation of public funds.

by odradek on Mar 23, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

The majority of voters approved of it though, did they not? (I ain’t saying the voters got it right though). The Twins paid the other 30% or so.

by jhon on Mar 23, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank god the game has been saved. Now the Red Sox can obtain Zach Greinke.

by odradek on Mar 23, 2010 10:23 PM EDT reply actions  

I don’t think Greinke goes for a big market team in free agency. With his makeup and temperament, how awkward and shy he is? I don’t imagine he stays in KC, but I just have a hard time believing he goes where there will be huge media attention and pressure.

(Seriously, read through the comments here of some of his more hilarious/bizarre quotes.)

it always starts the same, with a boy and a girl and a hook and a game

by ameliorate on Mar 23, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

He won’t have much of a choice in the matter.

by odradek on Mar 23, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s called telling his agent where he will and won’t play.

by Voltaire on Mar 23, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s naive. Players aren’t that heroic when it comes to the benjamins.

by odradek on Mar 23, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t say he’d sign for less money, just that he wouldn’t go to a big market. Occasionally, mid-market teams are known to offer lots of money to players who are very good. Seattle, for one. Washington. Atlanta.

it always starts the same, with a boy and a girl and a hook and a game

by ameliorate on Mar 23, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

They also occasionally offer lots of money to players who aren’t so good.

it always starts the same, with a boy and a girl and a hook and a game

by ameliorate on Mar 24, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

As Jay said in the original Mauer thread:

More proof that the majority of players, even superstars, stay with their home club at a huge discount.

Just not that cretin Sabathia.

by Voltaire on Mar 24, 2010 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I love some good Twins-hating.

by Brad D on Mar 24, 2010 12:39 AM EDT reply actions  

That’s the point. This makes it easier and more enjoyable to hate on them. Before, all of the top talent were stuck in Minny but not as a top choice. They were not committed. The only guy we could hate was Gardenhire. Now we have a true blue Minnesota Twin to bash and hate.

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin

by Spidey on Mar 24, 2010 9:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

All of the purple prose aside (great reference, BTW), this signing still seems the better result compared to signing with NY or BOS. Would people prefer him to go to the Yankees or Red Sox??? The Twins would still be that nagging team and whatever east coast woul still be insufferable.

The title of the thread, OTOH, questions the allegiance of many fans on here (a little bit of sarc). I think the difference of opinion on this site is about whether the Twins will be able to be championship calibre for the next 8 years. I don’t have the ability nor resources to conduct an analysis, but the Twins seem to be overspending for the value they get in return. The Yankees can afford to overspend; the Twins cannot. The Twins will need to cutback elsewhere to get what they need to compete.

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin

by Spidey on Mar 24, 2010 2:00 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

You lost me for a while, but “bunts and runts” saved it.

"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay

by Turkmenbashi on Mar 24, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

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