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Mike Redmond talking about Carmona's performance Monday.

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Lou Piniella:

“the best Spring Training start I’ve seen here of any of the Spring Training pitchers who’ve faced us.” “He made it look relatively easy,” Piniella said. “Hard sinker, pitched inside, had a nice breaking ball. He made it look easy. He was impressive.”

Redmond:

“Those last two innings, he took it to another level. He was phenomenal.”

Redmond again:

“He probably threw three sliders all day,” the catcher said. “He had a hard sinker and fastball, That was my plan, because if it came around to facing the lineup a third time, he’d have still another pitch to go to. If you get deep into the game, you might need that third pitch to start showing batters. Today, nobody could go up there to take pitches. They had to swing, because he was pounding the strike zone.”

OK, that’s complete BS. As I commented yesterday, Carmona threw a lot of sliders. Either Redmond is lying or he thinks that his “hard sinker” is 84 mph and breaks away from righties. Or he describes that as his changeup.

by TribeJay on Mar 23, 2010 9:26 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Even so, it seems like they feel comfortable working with each other.

How would everyone feel if Redmond became Fausto’s personal catcher?

by JP_Frost on Mar 23, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Somebody said that one of the commentators stated that this would be the case.

by afh4 on Mar 23, 2010 9:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think I read it in Castro or something.

by Voltaire on Mar 23, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it was in print somewhere that Acta said Redmond would continue to catch Fausto into the regular season.

Welcome back, Sandy! ATALECG...

by USSChoo on Mar 23, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why, is someone going to care about my feelings?

by Jay on Mar 24, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I care about your feelings, Jay.

by Chemo on Mar 24, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you, I appreciate that.

by Jay on Mar 24, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

As one of your minons, I like to know what the overall mood is when infiltrating Lookout Landing.

by gte619n on Mar 24, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t see any reason not to believe Redmond on what pitches he was throwing nor distrust his opinion of what Carmona was throwing.

by Roger Dorn on Mar 23, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you had watched the game, you’d know.

by TribeJay on Mar 24, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t, but I am inclined to believe a catcher who has been doing the job for 20 years.

by Roger Dorn on Mar 24, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

and who presumably put down the signs before said pitches were thrown. fausto’s stuff has never been cookie-cutter looking anyway. didn’t that pitchfx thing get the identification way wrong on him.

by Brick. on Mar 24, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

As Brick says below, Hoynes reported it correctly:

“It’s a comfortable situation,” said Redmond. "I like catching him. I don’t think those guys [the Cubs] were having a whole lot of fun against Fausto. When he’s together, it’s a hard-sinking fastball. Then it’s the slider.

“We didn’t even throw any change-ups. I think we threw three the whole game. That’s been my point since we’ve gotten into this thing. If we’re working on our third time through the order, now we’ve got another pitch. That’s what we’ve been trying to save a bullet for later in the game if we need it again.”

So Singer missed the quote completely. Tough week for him. And Roger, I’ve watched at least some portion of most of Carmona’s starts in the big leagues. If I say he was throwing the slider a lot, he was throwing the slider a lot. :)

by TribeJay on Mar 24, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tangling with TribeJay – not recommended.

Welcome back, Sandy! ATALECG...

by USSChoo on Mar 24, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like I said, I had no reason not to believe Redmond and as it turns out Redmond was correctly identifying the pitches Carmona was throwing. This speaks nothing of my admiration of your ability to identify the type of pitches a pitcher is throwing. However when the time comes again in the future if it ever does, I will again believe the catcher calling the pitches over 100% of people watching on television. This is not an indictment on your knowledge of the game.

by Roger Dorn on Mar 24, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tangling with Roger – also not recommended.

Welcome back, Sandy! ATALECG...

by USSChoo on Mar 24, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re right, ultimately Redmond wasn’t wrong. I had considered that it could just be a misquote, but in the end I didn’t think someone would be able to get that quote so wrong…that was my big mistake.

by TribeJay on Mar 24, 2010 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s still a very impressive naked-eye observation.

by joeee on Mar 24, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. I didn’t mean to come off as a jerk, I always look for TribeJay’s game observations.

by Roger Dorn on Mar 25, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

LEADERSHIP!!!

STBNL

by emd2k3 on Mar 25, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gasp

... Paul Hoynes is a really great guy ...

by westbrook on Mar 23, 2010 10:06 PM EDT reply actions  

This is great and all, but who the hell is get us through the 8th after Fausto’s seven shutout innings?

by supermarioelia on Mar 23, 2010 10:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Does he have to start warming up in the 4th?

by hans on Mar 24, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Would it make a difference in the decision if he did?z

by Jay on Mar 24, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Sowers future with the team might be very short

by APV on Mar 25, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

From Castro:

Perez isn’t letting himself get overly excited about taking over the closing duties. “There’s so much emphasis put on the ninth inning compared to any other inning in the game,” he said. “But you can lose a game in the eighth just as much as you can in the ninth. And there are times when it’s easier to work the ninth than the eighth, depending on where you are in the lineup.”

That’s refreshing to read.

by JP_Frost on Mar 23, 2010 10:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Btw, I don’t know why I posted that here, should’ve been in the other thread.

by JP_Frost on Mar 23, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Isn’t this the way it goes? One of our pitchers figures it out in a year we need him the least?

by Toxicadam on Mar 24, 2010 1:07 AM EDT reply actions  

((debbiedowner.jpg))

by Toxicadam on Mar 24, 2010 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

sigh. At least he wasn’t worthless when we did need him. Unless you want to say the Demuth game.

... Paul Hoynes is a really great guy ...

by westbrook on Mar 24, 2010 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not really true. If he had been his 07 self in 08, I think this franchise would be in a very, very different position right now. Can you imagine 2008 if we had had CC, Cliff and 2007 Fausto? OMG.

by jakesinger777 on Mar 24, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

We were 37-46 and 10 games behind by the end of June 2008. A dominant Fausto doesn’t make up that difference. It probably just makes us hesitate to sell off Sabathia and Blake, costing us Santana, LaPorta, Brantley, etc.

Clarity is good. I’m grateful that Carmona sucked when we really needed him to suck the most.

by Jay on Mar 24, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rabble rabble.

I know we all want to be excited, but this is useless spring training junk. Whether Redmond believes he was better in that start than he was in 2007 means nothing. Check back in November and we’ll know whether he was better.

by xrickx on Mar 24, 2010 4:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Doesn’t mean nothing…but I’m with you, I’m not getting that excited. But it does mean he was good Monday. Very good.

by TribeJay on Mar 24, 2010 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think this is the typical spring training junk, just as Torii Hunter’s hangover quote was no ordinary praise from a defeated opponent.

by jakesinger777 on Mar 24, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

okay. you check back in november. in the meantime, i’m going to get encouraged by things that happen in the meantime and watch some baseball games.

results suck.

by Brick. on Mar 24, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I wonder if this is a veteran catcher pumping up the ego of a talented but emotionally erratic pitcher.

I’m holding back my excitement until Carmona does this in the regular season.

by Ryan on Mar 24, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am holding back my excitement until we win the World Series.

by Roger Dorn on Mar 24, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK, I think I figured out what must have happened. I had mentioned that Carmona had only thrown a couple of changeups. My guess is that in Redmond’s excitement, he misspoke and said “slider” instead of “changeup.” And Castro’s sub Singer either isn’t that familiar with what Carmona throws or wasn’t paying close enough attention to clarify Redmond’s remarks.

by TribeJay on Mar 24, 2010 8:05 AM EDT reply actions  

In hoynes piece redmond says changeups

by Brick. on Mar 24, 2010 10:26 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Buster Olney opens his (Insider) blog with a discussion of Fausto today. The general theory developing seems to be that Carmona is learning not to follow crap with crap to avoid the big blowup inning. Willis preached this, too, but Belcher says Fausto’s done it mostly on his own:

“I’ll be perfectly honest with you — he has done it himself,” said Belcher. “I have spent minimal time with Fausto. I think this is just a cumulative effect of the last couple of years. … Everything that he’s been taught and coached up on, from a mental side as far as maintaining his mind in a moment, that’s all been laid out for him. The [coaching] resources have been there for him. He has allowed it to finally take hold within him, and he’s making those adjustments on his own.”

by FredOx on Mar 24, 2010 10:59 AM EDT reply actions  

I subscribe to the “learning how to be fat” theory.

by gte619n on Mar 24, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

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