Bullpen Banter's Indians Preview and our Top 25 Prospects
Hello Indians Fans! My name is Michael Herrick and I've been an SBN member of various sites for 5 years now. Those of you that frequent John Sickels minorleagueball.com will probably recognize me from running the Community Prospect list this year. I recently partnered with three other long time SBN members(JD Sussman, alskor, mrkupe) to start a website, Bullpen Banter.
About Us from our site:
The Bullpen Banter Team is dedicated to providing outstanding baseball analysis from various points of view. Our website hosts both a chat room and a forum so our readers can constantly interact with a knowledgeable and vibrant baseball community. Each writer represents a different area in the country which provides a unique ability to gauge the thoughts of both the mainstream media and the fans in the region. Additionally, we are always open to new ideas and voices, so feel free to submit a guest piece.
We are currently previewing each team by division, we are now working on the NL and AL Central. Our Indians preview is up, where we examine the outlook for 2010, the best and worst moves, and prospects to watch in 2010. We take a round table approach to topics giving us differing viewpoints on the same article.
Here is a peek at the Prospect to Watch section of the preview:
JD Sussman: This is an insanely deep farm system, probably the deepest in the game today. I really like Alexander Perez. He misses bats (22% K/9, 19% swinging), doesn't walk to many guys and also gets balls on the ground fairly well. I think the Indians could push him aggressively to AA.
Al Skorupa: This is a seriously deep system with lots of popular sleepers... but I'm also going to go with RHP Alex Perez. Nice live arm with projection.
If Luis Valbuena struggles I wouldn't be shocked to see a healthy Jason Donald take the job and run with it at some point this season. I've always been a fan. They have a number of interesting back end arms that aren't all that far away: LHP Kelvin De La Cruz, RHP Jeanmar Gomez, RHP Conor Graham, RHP Zach Putnam and LHP Eric Berger. Carlos Rivero and Josh Rodriguez are two infielders who intrigue me despite unimpressive 2009s. OF Abner Abreu has lots of raw power and seems to be a consensus sleeper.
Michael Herrick: I like Perez as well, he's one of many talented arms in the system. I also like Rivero and Josh Rodriguez, both could be above average regulars up the middle. My pick here though is TJ House, a LHP drafted in 2008 that did pretty well as a 19 year old in the Midwest League. Low 90's sinker and a good curve, needs to develop the change up more(but what HS pitcher doesn't?) and cut down his walk rate a bit, but he's got the arm and ability to be special.
We also have our Top 25 Prospects for 2010 posted with the rest of the Top 100 to follow over the next couple of weeks.
Here is a sample for Mike Stanton:
Notre Dame High School has produced its fair share of notable baseball players. The most famous include Cy Young winner Jack McDowell, 1968 first overall draft pick Tom Foli, and the general manager of the '92,'93, & '08 World Series champions, Pat Gillick. Giancarlo Cruz- "Michael" Stanton has the potential to be among those names with his combination of athleticism and elite power. Stanton is young but relatively polished for a former football star who didn't concentrate fully on baseball until being drafted by the fins 79th overall in 2007. Stanton has deposited 68 baseballs over the fence in first three seasons and is arguably the fourth or fifth best player today from his draft class.
Steve Kuperman: Grade A easy for me, No. 4 on my list currently. If he had played in the FSL the entire year nobody would be asking questions, as he managed to absolutely crush the ball in one of the worst hitters' parks in the minors while cutting his strikeouts substantially. The guy gets tons of praise for work ethic.
JD Sussman: I disagree with your point on Stanton's contact issues. While he has been great thus far, I foresee his contact issues and poor pitch recognition limiting him offensively. What keeps him ranked so highly is that he should have solid defensive value in both his arm and his range. For me, he has the highest bust rate of any player int he top 10. If those issues really hurt him, in a years time he could be pretty far down the list, despite his accomplishments at a young age. I have him slightly lower at 9.
Michael Herrick: I can understand you knocking Stanton down a few spots due to the contact/strikeout issues, JD. I know the High A stint is a SSS, but his K rate wasn't horrible there. I think as long as he's not rushed too far, too fast the plate discipline can improve some, at least into a somewhat manageable "less than 30% K rate" type of range. I guess I tend to see him as more of a .260 hitter in the bigs as opposed to something in the .230 range. That power is just such a valuable tool though, I really can't see him lower than 5.
Al Skorupa: Strikeouts a concern? Yes. Special bat despite that? Absolutely.
His 80 power is something that we can be fairly certain will come with him to the majors. He does enough other things well to still project as an offensive force despite some questions about his contact ability, patience and strikeouts.
Stanton is plenty athletic and a good fielder. He could very easily end up the best major leaguer out of the top 5 prospects, but I'm not ready to bet on that just yet.
So if you have a chance, stop by and let us know what you think. If you're interested in a guest writing spot, contact us and we will give you that opportunity.
Thanks for your time,
The Bullpen Banter Team
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Stanton as an example
We felt that the Stanton piece did a good job of showing the roundtable aspect of what we do.
Not a Josh Rodriguez fan at all?
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Should we be? I’m a bit of a noob compared to the rest of us on our prospects, but there doesn’t seem like much to get too terribly excited about.
Welcome back, Sandy! ATALECG...
Ha. Guess I wasn't all that clear...
Trust me, not “excited” at all by Josh Rodriguez. I don’t really want to use the term "underrated’ here but I still think he can play some in the majors as a backup or bench/utility guy.
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Why would I be one?
I can think of some nice things to say about Josh Rodriguez, but he’s not a top prospect in our system, not even remotely. John Sickels stretched his Top 20 to a Top 24 for the Indians. No Josh Rodriguez. Then he listed another 15 guys as honorable mentions — still no Josh Rodriguez. That puts him at #40 per Sickels — at best!
He’s, at best, our fourth-best middle infield prospect, behind Kipnis, Donald and Rivero. And keep in mind, we have very young middle infielders starting in the majors already in Cabrera and Valbuena. Rodriguez was left exposed to Rule 5 — not a bite. If he’d been included in a trade, hardly anyone would even have noticed.
We have a basic principle here that says that injuries can’t ever be considered a positive indicator for a prospect. You guys seem to have fallen into that trap with Rodriguez. Maybe he’ll be awesome if he’s healthy — maybe — but it’s much more likely that he won’t be either healthy or awesome, let alone both.
Another solid principle you could consider: If a guy’s most impressive season is at age 22 in Single-A, then he’s not much of a prospect.
But yeah, I love Josh Rodriguez.
To clarify, I don't think Rodriguez is anything more than a possible future utlity man..
This wasn’t a list of best prospects, or best middle infielders or best fantasy prospects. I was just looking at some dark horse guys who have flown under the radar and might have some bounceback in their 2010’s. Rodriguez had some decent tools and was a 2nd round pick. I liked him a lot a couple years back. I blame his struggles on injuries, as you mention – but again, still don’t think he’s anything special. Fringe major leaguer at best.
I named like… 8 guys? in that section… you seem to be making an awful lot of a throwaway line at the end. I said he “intrigued me.” I didn’t say he was Carlos Santana… My actual answer for “prospect to watch” was Alex Perez…
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both could be above average regulars up the middle
Who wrote that?
As an aside … “popular sleepers” … “consensus sleeper” … these terms make no sense.
That was me
and the important part of that quote is “could be”. I didn’t say “will be” or “should be” in regards to Rodriguez or Rivero, who is another guy I like quite a bit that has some work to do to regain his status. You are perfectly justified in not considering him a prospect, I’m just not ready to give up on the kid at this point. He’s a good defender and has some solid secondary skills offensively, I’m not ready to close the book on him. He may never make it, but he has the potential to be good if he does.
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I’m sorry, but this is just dumb. No Indians fan needs a new blog to tell them that a non-prospect could be a good everyday player. You haven’t done an overview of the Indians system, you’ve done a haphazard, careless collection of unsupported observations.
by Jay on Mar 10, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I, too, may never make it, but have the potential to be good if I do.
by jakesinger777 on Mar 10, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Well
He’s an above average defender at 2B with good walk rates and some pop. Yes, he had an elbow issue in college and the hamstring issue last year but he played basically full seasons in 2007 and 2008, so it’s not like he’s constantly hurt or something. If he could be just league average with the bat he’s a 3 win player overall. I don’t think it’s impossible for that to happen for him. It may not happen in Cleveland, but then again I made a comment in passing on him, I didn’t pick him as my prospect to watch.
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Rodriguez has the potential to rise into the twenties on our top prospects list.
... Paul Hoynes is a really great guy ...
Maybe he can claim Brown’s #15 spot
by The Grimace on Mar 12, 2010 12:20 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
This is just an aside, as I agree with all that, but of course our real depth is because of the arms. Our position player depth is good, but once you get around 12 or so you have to start throwing in people like a Jordan, or Donnie Webb.
I’d draw a hard line at the following nine guys: Santana, Chiz, Wegz, Brantley, Marson, Donald, Kipnis, Abreu, Rivero. Plenty of those guys are still long shots, of course, but I don’t think you can say anyone outside of that group has more than a very remote chance of being a regular.
by dgcambridge on Mar 10, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
I’m intrigued by the concept of a consensus sleeper.
by SuddenSam on Mar 9, 2010 5:48 PM EST reply actions 9 recs
If the logo on the shirt was the Yankees it would be spot on.
by The Grimace on Mar 12, 2010 12:21 AM EST up reply actions

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