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Game Twelve: Indians 7, White Sox 4


Even during this four-game winning streak, the Indians haven't been running on all cylinders. The bullpen, when it's been called upon, has been very shaky, and the bottom two-thirds of the lineup hasn't contributed much at all. But outstanding starting pitching and good defense has made up for these deficiencies, and the Indians are now at .500 just in time to start a difficult road trip.

The fortunate thing about baseball is that you only have to defeat the team facing you on that given day. White Sox starter Gavin Floyd didn't have it today, and he was chased from the game in the second inning. Mark Grudzielanek, today's inexplicable DH, got a key two-out, two-run hit in the first inning to give the Indians a 3-0 lead, and Shin-Soo Choo hit a second inning grand slam to effectively end Floyd's outing.

The Indians wouldn't score another run thanks to Chicago's deep bullpen, but Fausto Carmona and six (!) relievers would keep the Chicago offense at bay. Carmona had some tough innings towards the end of his outing, but ended his day with a quality start (6 IP, 6 H, 3 ER, 4 SO, 2 BB). Walks often hold the key to a Carmona outing, and today his control was pretty good.

After Carmona left, Manny Acta wore out a path to the pitcher's mound over the final three innings. Joe Smith made the longest appearance at 1.1 scoreless innings, but Rafael Perez and Tony Sipp were quickly pulled after allowing two base runners. Thanks to long outings by the starters in the past week, Acta had the luxury of calling upon a fresh reliever to bail the team out of the inning.  Chris Perez came in with one out in the ninth to retire Carlos Quentin and Paul Konerko to record his fourth save.

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via www.fangraphs.com


Highest WPA Lowest WPA
Shin-Soo Choo .180 Rafael Perez -.077
Mark Grudzielanek .136 Matt LaPorta -.070
Asdrubal Cabrera .110 Jhonny Peralta -.050

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Ship righted. Now, heading out on a tough 9-game road swing, with 3 more against the Twinkies when we get back home. Hope that starting pitching continues to hold, but lots of good LH bats to test ‘em. Come back at .500 and we’re exceeding expectations.

by pdxtribefan on Apr 18, 2010 5:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Just figured out .500 is an impossibility after the road stretch. Math aside, my point stands (wobbly).

by pdxtribefan on Apr 18, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really want us to take 2 out of 3 in the Twins series. I hate the Twins.

by APV on Apr 18, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

You hate the Twins TOO??!!! OMG! I’ve got my evil eyes aimed independently towards Minneapolis and Detroit. Kidding aside, if we sweep them, it’s first place, with a bullet! I just want the non-Choo members of the offense to pick it up, quite frankly, so we can start winning series against teams that can actually score.

by pdxtribefan on Apr 18, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Deleted, profanity. Too bad, too, it was pretty amusing rundown of our divisional rivals.

A recap is not a game thread.

by Jay on Apr 18, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry. A win and too many Commodore Perry’s get my potty mouth going.

by MickS on Apr 18, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

It happens. It’s still early in the season. If you’re a game-threader, you almost have to be bilingual, remembering which thread you’re in all the time.

by Jay on Apr 18, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right. Again, the Commodores. I’ll try to be more careful.

by MickS on Apr 18, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awww. Can’t you paste it into the game thread so we can enjoy it, too?

by YoDaddyWags on Apr 18, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I want to say I saw it. That said, I wasn’t paying close enough attention to reliably disseminate it.

I hate Lou Marson.

by westbrook on Apr 18, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be clear, profanity is not allowed anywhere on the site.

It’s merely tolerated, within Game Threads only, and as part of an emotional reaction to the events of the game.

by Jay on Apr 19, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Except we are allowed to call Clemens a douche at any point.

by Roger Dorn on Apr 19, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Can’t really be avoided.

by Jay on Apr 19, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

’cause it feels sooo good….

by larzko on Apr 19, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, and how you said GD on that front-page post two days ago…

"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay

by Turkmenbashi on Apr 19, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Variant spelling and all.

by odradek on Apr 19, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Giant Douche? I don’t think that counts.

by Logodaedalus on Apr 19, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude, seven dirty words. We have no ambition to have the site be cleaner than prime-time network television, and we never did.

Is this really so nuanced that it confuses people?

by Jay on Apr 19, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can’t say /goddamn/ on TV, last time I checked.

Mostly I’m just giving you a hard time. If I was confused, Jay, I’d be swearing elsewhere outside of game threads.

"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay

by Turkmenbashi on Apr 19, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have heard “goddamn” censored before, but I suspect that’s just the networks trying to avoid angry letters and has nothing to do with the FCC.

by Logodaedalus on Apr 19, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ground rules say Carlin’s Seven Words. Son of a bitch.

by odradek on Apr 19, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Granted, my knowledge of the seven dirty words came from George Carlin, but I’m pretty sure no other words have been added since then.

by Ryan on Apr 19, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

ебать меня, я не понимал, это относится даже к игре потоков.

by YoDaddyWags on Apr 19, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Я не хочу ебать вас. но да, что это политика, к “игре потоков”.

Кроме того, ненормативная лексика в русском языке хорошо везде.

by Logodaedalus on Apr 19, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Вы хотите видеть осла-шоу?

by Jay on Apr 19, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

This sub-thread bothers me because I can understand about 50% of it and know I should be able to understand all of it

"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay

by Turkmenbashi on Apr 19, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

For my part, I make no guarantees that my Russian would be entirely comprehensible to actual Russian speakers.

Well, I’m pretty sure that last comment was okay.

by Logodaedalus on Apr 19, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Choo’s OPS is now 1225 — just thought I’d throw that out there.

by Buckeye Brad on Apr 18, 2010 6:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Dude, you just blew my mind.

by pdxtribefan on Apr 18, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

See, if he can just put up nine or ten seasons like that, he’ll be considered the greatest player of all time.

by Jay on Apr 18, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don’t know about that…

by Gradyforpresident on Apr 18, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Keep in mind, he’s also on pace for 40 SB.

by Jay on Apr 18, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK, when you say nine or ten seasons of that, are we also including the inevitable before-after years of that peak? Or are we just saying his career is only those 9-10 seasons?

I’m taking this hypothetical entirely too far.

by Gradyforpresident on Apr 18, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Especially considering he was just making a throwaway joke about a statement Chuck made on a different thread.

Come on, four billion!

by Joel D on Apr 18, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t help it, I felt like I had to defend Ruth’s honor.

Oh God, am I going to be called a jackass-defender?

by Gradyforpresident on Apr 18, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course you aren’t! It would be grammatically awkward. You’ll be called “the jackass-defender” or simply “jackass-defender” when being addressed directly. There may very well be a coat of arms involved.

by VA tribe fan on Apr 19, 2010 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lou Gehrig is my favorite baseball player of all time. There. I said it.

Blake: Thanks to you, I am damaged beyond repair!!

by emd2k3 on Apr 19, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Some have said that it might be good to have a GM who makes decisions that blogger’s wouldn’t like. What about that from the manager? Or are we then into Wedge territory?

I hate Lou Marson.

by westbrook on Apr 18, 2010 6:30 PM EDT reply actions  

And apparently some blogger owns the word “wouldn’t” now.

I hate Lou Marson.

by westbrook on Apr 18, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it’s more a matter of their being a threshold of respect. Some managers and GMs earn the benefit of the doubt, some don’t, and some get it and then lose it.

by Jay on Apr 18, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

… and yet another runaway, possessive homonym.

by Jay on Apr 18, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

favorite moment of the series- cabrera on 2nd with choo at the plate, raises both hands with the crack of choo’s sweet, sweet bat.

choo-ism of the day:

“He said, ‘Choo, you have a nice car and don’t worry about the tires or engine, right? It is the same with you. You have the talent so don’t worry and just go drive the baseball.’ That’s what I try to do,” Choo said.

by citrusvanilla on Apr 18, 2010 7:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Small sample size can yield some oddball stats. For example, the Indians are last in the division in runs scored and second in runs allowed. Who would have guessed that would be true at any point in the season? Not me.

by MTF on Apr 18, 2010 7:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Indians pitching has been good, but Chicago is going to struggle offensively this year, so there’s a bit of a bias probably. We need our offense to hit better than it has to continue posting wins.

by hans on Apr 18, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice! Back to .500!

by emily522 on Apr 18, 2010 7:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Droobs is looking pretty cool in this pic.

by emily522 on Apr 18, 2010 7:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Feels good to have one guy carrying the offense, hopefully someone else picks Choo up when he starts to cool down.

by Toxicadam on Apr 18, 2010 8:05 PM EDT reply actions  

He’s not going to.

Come on, four billion!

by Joel D on Apr 18, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

and they will call Him Carlos Santana

If you don't respect Aaron Laffey, I will fight you.

by Cap'n Snegiryov on Apr 18, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

2-4 again tonight. Still hitting way over .400.

by afh4 on Apr 18, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice use of the capital H. Does the Carlos hit homeruns while walking on water and throw out stolen base attempts while healing the leapers?

by ouched on Apr 18, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

WHY AM I NOT GOING UNDER WATER!?

I hate Lou Marson.

by westbrook on Apr 18, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because you didn’t buy at the height of the bubble?

by Jay on Apr 19, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m pretty excited to see how of these starters continues to maintain or build on the strides he has made.

I’m also hoping against hope that they have a decent road trip, come back to some good weather in late April and actually draw for that series at home against the Twins. Am I more concerned about this than I ought to be? Seeing the Tribe draw their lowest attendance since 1993 frightens me.

by afh4 on Apr 18, 2010 9:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Am I wrong in thinking there have been true positive signs from these guys, and not just a string of lucky performances? Huff looks like he has added 1-2 mph and got his control back in check. Carmona looks like he has his control more or less in check and is learning how to pitch and not just throw crazy intoxicating stuff. Talbot I don’t know about because I didn’t see any of his start. Westbrook at the very least still seems to have his good sinker, even if he is figuring out how to control it still.

by APV on Apr 18, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

All true. I’d say that we would have all been disappointed if we knew we were going to be .500 with this string of starting pitching, but conversely, I’d say we’d be thrilled to be .500 if we knew that only Choo would be hitting. So there’s some justice there.

I was digging Carmona’s offspeed pitches today. Have to think Westbrook will get his control in order and become a 4.00+ ERA pitcher, which is fine. I just can’t figure out Masterson, and I keep thinking about Ryan’s recap, wondering if Masterson is destined for right-handed specialist duty.

by tabler84 on Apr 18, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we’re .500, then a couple things are going a little bit right. It’s just a question of which things it is. You don’t get to cherry-pick the situation and say, okay, we’re .500, but I want it to happen exactly as I expected it to.

by Jay on Apr 18, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

This post is pretty much how I feel at the moment.

I hate Lou Marson.

by westbrook on Apr 18, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

“Feh!” to both of you. A four-game winning streak is a gift. A run of fine pitching performances is a gift. You’re damned fools, the both of you, to be disappointed in any element of what’s going on.

by Jay on Apr 19, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s very encouraging stuff. Seeing Huff’s velocity increase has me really excited for the guy.

LGT's resident moderate Yankee hating fan.

by Joe. on Apr 18, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

All 4 of the young bucks are just throwing strikes: Talbot was doing it as well as any of them did. While I have concerns about each (well, duh) they all seem to have the ability to do what the bullpen doesn’t: you get along way in baseball just consistently throwing strikes.

It would be really special if one of the prospects turned into a legit frontliner. Everyone in Cleveland would look good behind a Lee/Sabathia type talent. I guess that’s a stupid thing to say but I’d like to know where/if we’ve got an ace on hand. Love Fausto bu I wonder if that ship has sailed. He doesn’t induce grounders like he did.

by afh4 on Apr 18, 2010 9:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Cliff Lee is a free agent after the season. Just saying.

Trust me, I know Cliff Lee won’t be signing with the Indians. As it was with Sabathia, though, the problem mostly is about years, not cash. And if ever there existed a Cleveland roster capable of paying a guy $15-17M per year, it’s the next few years.

After 2010, gone are Westbrook ($11M in 2010), Wood ($10.5M), and perhaps Peralta ($4.6M). That’s $26.1M. Projected internal increases are arbitration guys Choo and Asdrubal ($3M each?), Sizemore (2M), Carmona (1.5M), and Hafner (+1.5M). That’s $11M. It leaves $15M to spend, assuming payroll stays the same. If Perez is going to close (still suspect), Wood won’t be brought back. And my guess is that Cleveland’s run at $10M closers expires as well. And if Peralta’s offensive performance is acceptable, an offensive year of Marte can’t be much lower, plus you get better defense. If the stop-gap to Chisenhall is a Pedro Feliz-type, just give it to Marte.

If Lee maintains his performance when he returns this year, he’ll be the only ace available this offseason, and he’ll be 32 this year. Brandon Webb is on record of wanting to pitch closer to his Kentucky home if things don’t work out in AZ. And he’s still having shoulder issues, so temper that enthusiasm. Otherwise, the Indians would have to trade for a top-tier starter, and those kinda guys really aren’t available.

So yea, I’m not sure Cleveland has an ace-in-the-making on this staff. They have a small window to afford one in 2011-2013 before other guys need re-upped, and if 2010 leaves Cleveland with two or three serviceable guys in Carmona, Huff, Masterson, or Talbot, I’d like to see them go for it before the Grady/Choo/Asdrubal era gives way to the Santana/Chisenhall/Beau Mills (kidding) era. I’m just not sure where they find the guy, but a trade for a high-priced, high-talent starter with only a few years left on a deal seems like the only place. One guy who comes to mind is Ricky Nolasco, under control through 2012, but clubs will be feasting if he’s made available. He’s no Cliff Lee, but he could be the next Cliff Lee.

And that concludes my novella.

by xrickx on Apr 19, 2010 3:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

You know, just saying, but man am I tired of the expression just saying. What the hell is it supposed to mean? Is it supposed to mitigate or provide cover, or is it supposed to soften the stance? The expression has been banned at my workplace, along with it is what it is. Just saying what?

Back to your topic, isn’t Choo going to make more than a $3 million raise in arbitration?

by odradek on Apr 19, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the credit for just sayin’, meh and not so much goes to Jon Stewart’s writers (and popularity). My least faves from punditland: at the end of the day and having said that or its variant, that said.

by YoDaddyWags on Apr 19, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree about “at the end of the day” — it’s become extremely overused and obnoxious. I don’t mind “having said that”, though; it seems like a reasonable segue to offering caveats. It’s good to try to see more than one side of an issue. Also it’s not metaphorical, so it hasn’t acquired the same hackneyed quality that expressions like “at the end of the day” have.

by Logodaedalus on Apr 19, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree it has its usefulness in establishing one’s empathic bone fides; having said that, I’m sick of it.

by YoDaddyWags on Apr 19, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meh… at the end of the day, what you think matters not so much. Just sayin’.

by Logodaedalus on Apr 19, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Дерьмо, ссать, ебать, пизда, хуесос, ублюдок и сиськи! Подождите. Сиськи? Как мы и предполагали, чтобы привлечь внимание Микелсон?

by YoDaddyWags on Apr 19, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

th!s !s @nn0y!ing

by Brick. on Apr 19, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Я ничего не знаю о сиськи гольфистов.

by Logodaedalus on Apr 19, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Совершенно неверно!

by Jay on Apr 19, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had been waiting for the two of you to nerd it out over the English language, but it took an unexpected twist and sent you into a whole different language.

by Roger Dorn on Apr 19, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Complaining about “at the end of the day” is so meh.

Also! I was on “meh” before Stewart. Don’t know where I got it from.

by Jay on Apr 19, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me too… Probably has something to do with The Simpsons.

by Logodaedalus on Apr 19, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wikipedia traces the first Simpsons usage to 1994, so yeah.

by FredOx on Apr 19, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have a suspicion it’s older than that still (Yiddish? No empirical grounds for saying this; just speculatin’), but yeah.

by Logodaedalus on Apr 19, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I’m thinking it traces in pop culture back to Billy Crystal doing his old-Jewish-guy schtick. Or possibly Eddie Murphy.

by Jay on Apr 19, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s the theory. Quoting wiki again because I’m lazy:

There has been speculation that its origin is Yiddish because of its similarity to the interjection “feh”. American lexicographer Benjamin Zimmer expressed some skepticism about this idea, and wrote in 2006, “Whatever Yiddish origins the interjection might have had, they have been lost in post-Simpsons usage.” Lexicographer Grant Barrett wrote about “meh” and “D’oh”, “I suspect they’re both just transcribed versions of oral speech, which has any number of single-syllable sounds that mean a variety of things.”

by FredOx on Apr 19, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, Carl says “meh” at the carnival.

Also! Any way, shape, or form. The worst tautology…ever?

by joeee on Apr 19, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah, “The worst tautology ever is the worst tautology ever” is the worst tautology ever.

Also!

The first rule of Tautology Club is the first rule of Tautology Club.

by Logodaedalus on Apr 19, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Don’t know where I got it from.

Anywhere on the entire internet?

"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay

by Turkmenbashi on Apr 19, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some of us are actually older than the Internet. Or at least, old enough to have gone to college when basically nobody had e-mail.

by Jay on Apr 19, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I refuse to believe that truly cognizant life existed before the internet, let alone “meh”

"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay

by Turkmenbashi on Apr 19, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

This goes without saying

by Brad D on Apr 20, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

What else can you say? Truth be told, when all is said and done, you are what your record says you are.

If you don't respect Aaron Laffey, I will fight you.

by Cap'n Snegiryov on Apr 19, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ya know, Jake Westbrook won’t cost Cliff Lee-type money.

I hate Lou Marson.

by westbrook on Apr 19, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not at the end of the day, no.

You’re advocating the old trade-and-re-sign maneuver?

by Jay on Apr 19, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s contractually obligated to advocate reacquiring Jake.

by Logodaedalus on Apr 19, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m advocating the Jake in ALDS Game 1 maneuver.

I hate Lou Marson.

by westbrook on Apr 19, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m already on record in support of (health assumed) a Westbrook re-upping in the Paul Byrd contract neighborhood. If Westbrook has the type of year that makes the Indians comfortable to offer him an extension, he’s probably pricing himself above a Paul Byrd deal Whether Westbrook would settle for that depends on if he feels like he “owes” the Indians for the nothingness of this most recent contract. Jake a good guy from what we know, but I’m not sure he owes Cleveland anything.

And then if I’m spending $10M on Jake, I’d probably rather spend $15M on Cliff. But the years will not line up. And I’m not so sure Cliff’s going to have to settle for less than $15M anually. I don’t know what team will offer, but the Yanks may swap Pettitte for Cliff and there’s always other clubs out there.

by xrickx on Apr 19, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Westbrook says he started dropping his arm position occasionally to give him an edge. As he puts it, his curveball’s not very good and he’s not a strikeout guy, so he needs something to throw when he gets to 2 strikes. He did in in 2008, but his last start was the first time post-surgery.

The One True Perez also made an adjustment after his two disastrous outings, and the last two have been better, or maybe it’s just he can only close games against the White Sox.

by FredOx on Apr 18, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice Fausto. 4 K’s in 6 innings is fine.

LGT's resident moderate Yankee hating fan.

by Joe. on Apr 18, 2010 9:27 PM EDT reply actions  

With Fausto, I’m more interested in K/BB than K/IP. He was missing bats and mixing in a very good offspeed pitch today, especially in the early innings. His rocky fifth was more a BABIP blip than a bad inning of pitching.

by tabler84 on Apr 18, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s definitely both, but the guy isn’t going to ever be an excellent pitcher unless he some k’s, even if it’s not much. 6 k’s /9 is all I want. Add that with groundballs and low walk numbers, and that’s an ace. Anything lower and he’s Westbrook or Aaron Cook. While those are certainly good pitchers to have, they’re not aces.

LGT's resident moderate Yankee hating fan.

by Joe. on Apr 18, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed; 6 K/9 with his groundball rates will make a very fine pitcher. Just remember that any groundballer is guaranteed to have innings like the 5th today on a regular basis.

by Jay on Apr 18, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

One way to try and limit the ball-in-play drama, or at least try and make it to your advantage, is to field a good defensive team. I wonder if Antonetti will shake it up a bit in the INF.

by xrickx on Apr 19, 2010 3:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

There’s this guy on the bench who’s pretty good defensively.

Oh, and he seems to know how to take a walk now and then.

Blake: Thanks to you, I am damaged beyond repair!!

by emd2k3 on Apr 19, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

He was 5.73 K/9 and 2.55 BB/9 in 2007. I’d take 2007.

by YoDaddyWags on Apr 18, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Second-half 2007 Fausto is one of my favorite pitching lines.

by fleerdon on Apr 18, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was up 7-0 after two innings, and after that he wasn’t trying for — and didn’t need — strikeouts. He was pitching to contact, which caught up with him eventually. This is an example of how numbers can be deceiving, because he was still in control pretty much throughout his six innings.

by jefftribe on Apr 19, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

You don’t think he basically always pitches to contact? Or maybe he switches strategies once he gets two strikes?

by Jay on Apr 19, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think this is probably the case. Possibly with a similar strikeout shift in a close game with RISP.

by Logodaedalus on Apr 19, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure about that. His K% for his career is 13.9%, and it doesn’t seem to vary that much based on the score of the game:

	PA	SO	K%
Tie	779	110	14.1%
1R	1396	190	13.6%
2R	1817	248	13.6%
3R	2106	293	13.9%
4R	2215	307	13.9%
>4R	230	34	14.8%

Late and close it’s 10.1%.

by FredOx on Apr 19, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

One could posit that a countervailing force is that he overthrows in close games and his control suffers, but at that point you’re just waving your hands.

by Logodaedalus on Apr 19, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

One could posit that the game is close because he was already overthrowing.

by Jay on Apr 19, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, that would produce a high score for the opposition, which could just as easily result in a not-close game as a close game, depending on how the offense is doing.

by Logodaedalus on Apr 19, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re right, he does. My point was that looking at strikeouts as a gague for performance in this particular game is incorrect.

by jefftribe on Apr 19, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or every game, apparently.

by jefftribe on Apr 19, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, it’s tricky. The numbers show that the best way to predict who can induce weak contact is, in fact, strikeouts. Pitchers who pile up a lot of weak contact in a season, without strikeouts, probably will not be able to repeat the feat, and pitchers who strike out a lot of guys may find, in future seasons, that if they’re “unlucky,” some of those strikeouts will become groundouts.

Westbrook, however, is a true outlier. There are only a handful of pitchers that routinely have groundball rates over 50% for multiple seasons, and because there are so few, it’s hard to conclude anything in terms of what correlates to what and for whom. Basically, there is no reliable way to deal with K rates and FIP for the handful of extreme groundballers like Westbrook.

I think it may be best to look at strikeouts and K rates combined, while setting some pretty high standards for what constitutes “good.”

by Jay on Apr 19, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think most of what I was saying comes from a distrust of Fausto that he’s earned over the last couple years. When I saw him throwing as many strikes as he threw early in yesterday’s game, I just assumed that it was because of the lead and that he figured out he really didn’t need to do a whole lot to get the win. Which seems simple, I suppose.

And I’m really startng to conjure up some dissent on the “lucky” vs. “unlucky” thing in baseball in regards to sabermetrics, but that’s a conversation for another day.

by jefftribe on Apr 19, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d like to say Fausto is an outlier as great as Jake, and he has been at times. What he doesn’t have is the track record of having been successful for more than one season in the majors.

by Jay on Apr 19, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was in absolute control the first four innings. But I have to say, after he gave up the hits in the fifth, it was the first time all year that he looked like he did in 2008-2009. I can’t quite pinpoint it, but it just gave me the shudders.

First 4 innings – 44 pitches, 33 strikes.
Last 2 innings – 52 pitches, 28 strikes.

I think it’s still a work in progress with Fausto.

by TribeJay on Apr 19, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Go Tribe. Go Cavs. Go Double Downs.

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by Turkmenbashi on Apr 18, 2010 9:29 PM EDT reply actions  

I had the grilled chicken one today. Wasn’t bad but it’s pricey. Almost 6 dollars for that?

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by Joe. on Apr 18, 2010 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I live in DC. Food prices don’t shock me anymore.

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by Turkmenbashi on Apr 18, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Boston is worse

by APV on Apr 18, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

But it’s KFC!

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by Joe. on Apr 18, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

The grilled one? What’s the point?

by Jay on Apr 18, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gluten free.

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by Joe. on Apr 18, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure about that?

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by Turkmenbashi on Apr 18, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I made a convenient assumption because I wanted it. Woops. Hopefully I don’t get the Chan Ho Park.

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by Joe. on Apr 19, 2010 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I, too, have had the Double Down. I have to say, the one thing I didn’t really account for is the fact that bread makes for easy handling. They made mine when I ordered it, so it was hot as hell. The stupid wrapper did nothing to hold in any grease/heat.

by JRontherim on Apr 18, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, I’m on a diet. No fast food and no soda pop for the past 3 weeks.

by Toxicadam on Apr 18, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

must be how you keep that Mariah figure.

by talonk on Apr 19, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

She’s gone! I just now noticed.

by Logodaedalus on Apr 19, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

you know, they’re not nearly as bad for you as you’d think

If you don't respect Aaron Laffey, I will fight you.

by Cap'n Snegiryov on Apr 18, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

But they’re every bit as delicious as you’d expect

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by Turkmenbashi on Apr 18, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is not at all how I thought you looked.

I hate Lou Marson.

by westbrook on Apr 18, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

In fairness, it’s a bad picture.

How did you think I looked?

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by Turkmenbashi on Apr 18, 2010 11:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

You look like a man of purpose, Phil. Your avatars must have skewed his expectations, that’s all.

It was for this reason that I spent last season repping myself out as a young Paul Newman.

by fleerdon on Apr 18, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

older

I hate Lou Marson.

by westbrook on Apr 18, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

i, personally, always pictured you as being black

If you don't respect Aaron Laffey, I will fight you.

by Cap'n Snegiryov on Apr 19, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I love all three of your responses. This is why I love the internet.

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by Turkmenbashi on Apr 19, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

just a bunch of gawkers and deadspinners, i say

by Brick. on Apr 19, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

/snark

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by Turkmenbashi on Apr 19, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Santana and Donald are both tearing up AAA. And Constanza (hitting .483 still…).

by APV on Apr 18, 2010 9:36 PM EDT reply actions  

I’ve said it before, but I wish Constanza were 2 years younger. Love his game.

by Toxicadam on Apr 18, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Given his skill set, I don’t really care about his age. I know there is nothing there to be developed. But all the same, I think I’d rather have him be our emergency AAA outfielder over Crowe.

by APV on Apr 18, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know a 4th OF isn’t the sexiest position on the team, but Constanza can provide that better than any of our other options. Certainly Kearns has a possible pinch hit bat that Constanza doesn’t, but I’m happy to see others joining in on the Constanza love.

by JRontherim on Apr 18, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

The way Kearns is hitting I wouldn’t say we should dispose of him, but I would take Constanza’s speed and defense over Crowe’s.

by APV on Apr 18, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s for certain. Crowe is only a month and a half younger than Constanza, too, which would probably surprise some people.

by JRontherim on Apr 18, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love seeing The Donald tear it up a little. So great on so many levels.

by Jay on Apr 18, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Donald is going to optimize Valbuena’s service time at some point this season. And, you now, possibly replace him.

by APV on Apr 18, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

You have to love Valbuena’s walk rates so far though, and this is from someone who was very down on him coming into the season.

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by Joe. on Apr 18, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not dumping on Valbuena, but I think there is a widespread under-appreciation of what Donald might be. Look at his 2008 line.

by APV on Apr 18, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely agreed there.

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by Joe. on Apr 18, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s kind of sad (although I guess not very) that Santana might not let us develop Marson into the kind of player he can be.

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by Joe. on Apr 18, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

i’m heartbroken

If you don't respect Aaron Laffey, I will fight you.

by Cap'n Snegiryov on Apr 18, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Donald is, weirdly, pounding righties and not hitting lefties. That’ll even out but in 2008 he hit both, so it looks like he’s not a guy who is going to struggly against righties. I guess he could be either side of a platoon.

by afh4 on Apr 18, 2010 9:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I’m really impressed with Cord Phelps so far.

by fleerdon on Apr 18, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Happy to see him hit a few HRs

by APV on Apr 18, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

He can play defense, too. If he’s going to draw an obscene amount of walks and play good defense at the keystone, I dig it.

by xrickx on Apr 19, 2010 3:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

As a Donald pimp, this pleases me.

by Roger Dorn on Apr 18, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

As a new customer, I’ve been happy. Wait, are we taking this too far?

by dgcambridge on Apr 19, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

From Castro:

# You know who we might see this year? Yohan Pino. I remember Torey Lovullo telling me how much he loved this guy at the tail end of ‘09, and the new coaching staff and Lou Marson quickly developed an appreciation for Pino’s stuff in spring camp. In two starts for Triple-A Columbus this year, Pino is 2-0 with a 1.50 ERA. Since joining the Indians in the Carl Pavano trade, he is 4-0 with a 1.38 ERA in four starts, striking out 25 and walking four in 26 innings. The Indians didn’t protect Pino in the Rule 5 Draft over the winter, and it’s looking like they dodged a bullet.

by APV on Apr 18, 2010 9:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Any chance his fastball velocity is up?

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by Joe. on Apr 18, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

No idea. Getting Ks, at the minor league level of course, have never been his issue.

by APV on Apr 18, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

True, but that’s a function of him apparently having pinpoint control and great offspeed stuff. Will be interesting to see how his stuff plays in MLB.

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by Joe. on Apr 18, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I now assume all non-scout-hyped pitching prospects are Jeremy Sowers until MLB statistics show otherwise.

by xrickx on Apr 19, 2010 3:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

winning streaks feel good

by APV on Apr 18, 2010 9:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Choo!

"Spring Training wins are good for the soul."

by USSChoo on Apr 18, 2010 10:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Choo has 37% of our total bases on the season so far

by APV on Apr 18, 2010 10:27 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

this is absurd

I hate Lou Marson.

by westbrook on Apr 18, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yikes. And to think his first few games were actually on the cool side.

by Logodaedalus on Apr 18, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Has a player ever led a team in every (major) statistical category? Seems like Choo has a chance this year.

by Toxicadam on Apr 18, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I bet Bonds has done it more than once, especially early in his career.

by Jay on Apr 19, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good idea, I forgot about that other Barry Bonds that existed at one time. I looked back on B-ref and he was edged out in some of the categories by Bonilla or Van Slyke. He came close every year though.

by Toxicadam on Apr 19, 2010 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Barry Bonds was the Snuffy Stirnweiss of his era.

by YoDaddyWags on Apr 19, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think this is true. Choo has 29 of the team’s 133 total bases, or 21.8%. Only the Rangers get more of their total bases from a single player (Cruz, 26.2%).

Incidentally, did you know that the Royals lead the AL in total bases, with 202? That surprised me.

by FredOx on Apr 19, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Choo has more than 29 Tb. I’m thinking you forgot the walks?

I hate Lou Marson.

by westbrook on Apr 19, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Walks aren’t generally considered part of the definition of total bases, but he has 11. (29+11)/(133+47) is still not 37%.

by FredOx on Apr 19, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m just going from ESPNs page. Where are you getting the 133 number from?

by APV on Apr 19, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Baseball Reference. But they’re the same numbers. Add up the total bases on the ESPN page and you get 133. They seem to be normalizing the total numbers to the amount you’d see in 7 games, for some reason known only to them.

by FredOx on Apr 19, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha – intuitive layout fail

by APV on Apr 19, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wainwright is absolutely filthy at the moment.

I hate Lou Marson.

by westbrook on Apr 18, 2010 10:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Bet they are glad they have him tonight…instead of say, using him last night when he probably could have given them an almost guaranteed victory.

by APV on Apr 18, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, agree with this.

I hate Lou Marson.

by westbrook on Apr 18, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, the Mets went with Pelfrey instead of Maine who was the scheduled starter for Sunday night from the start. LaRussa made about 8 mistakes, but I agreed with not going to Wainright.

by Roger Dorn on Apr 18, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn’t have to be Wainwright. Rodrigo Lopez would have been better than Joe Mather.

I hate Lou Marson.

by westbrook on Apr 18, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

All the pitchers were used. He could have gone to the next most rested starter, I agree. Not sure of all the circumstances. His biggest error was sending Ludwick on a hit and run with Pujols up.

by Roger Dorn on Apr 18, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t see how you justify sending Mather out for a second inning. It was supreme luck they escaped the first inning with him in there.

by APV on Apr 18, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree. Mather couldn’t even get near the strike zone. Lopez did not exit the game and I couldn’t quite figure out why they didn’t just let him have at it again when it was obvious Mather could not get near the strike zone.

by Roger Dorn on Apr 19, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Felipe Lopez, not Rodrigo, and I’m sure he’s on a strict pitch count.

by YoDaddyWags on Apr 19, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

LGFT: Ryan F’in Ludwick

by JRontherim on Apr 18, 2010 10:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Things learned from looking through the Cardinals depth chart on MLB.com: They have an uncanny ability to assemble a pitching staff that possesses many different types of facial hair.

by JRontherim on Apr 18, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yet another Stoner gets labeled as a loser.

I hate Lou Marson.

by westbrook on Apr 18, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Wow, that Columbus lineup has absolutely dominated the plate so far.

by dgcambridge on Apr 19, 2010 12:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Others who dominate the plate: Prince Fielder, Terrence Cody.

by Matt Y. on Apr 19, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ruth, Babe.

Blake: Thanks to you, I am damaged beyond repair!!

by emd2k3 on Apr 19, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

CC?

"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter

by Denver Tribe Fan on Apr 19, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like to apply what I call the “Constanza correction” to the Clippers early season stats. I figure at his absolute best, there is no reason Jose Constanza should have an OPS higher than .800. Since his is currently just shy of 1.200, I figure it is best to just clip .400 off of everyone’s line. The nice thing is that if you do that with Santana, he’s still hitting for a healthy .933.

by APV on Apr 19, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like that. Let’s apply to Rondon also.

by dgcambridge on Apr 19, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

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