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Game 21: Angels 4, Indians 3

Two pitches turned an Indians 3-0 win to an Angels 4-3 loss. The first was a flat Jake Westbrook sinker to Torii Hunter in the sixth inning, and the second was Chris Perez's only pitch of the game in the bottom of the ninth. The first pitch left the yard, a three-run homer, while the second didn't even reach the infield dirt.

Until that sixth inning pitch, it seemed like Jake Westbrook would get his first win in two season. Jake hadn't given up a run through five innings, but in the sixth, he gave up a base hit to Erick Aybar with one out, then walked Bobby Abreu to bring up Hunter. One mistake later, tie game.

In the top of the inning, the Indians had just pushed their lead to 3-0 by scoring two runs, though it could have been much more. With a run in, the Indians loaded the bases with one out, and after Ervin Santana got ahead of Travis Hafner 0-2 (doesn't it seem like Hafner's always behind in the count lately?), he hit him on a bounced pitch. The bases were still loaded for Russ Branyan, but he struck out on three pitches, and Jhonny Peralta ended the inning by flying out.

The game remained tied until the ninth inning. Manny Acta used Jamey Wright for the seventh, and Tony Sipp for the eighth; both pitchers retired the sides in their innings. Joe Smith was brought into the game to pitch to Torii Hunter, but Hunter beat that strategy, doubling to right. Smith intentionally walked Hideki Matsui, and then Rafael Perez was brought in to turn Kendry Morales around to the right side. That strategy worked, for Morales grounded into a double play. Perez then walked Juan Rivera intentionally and Chris Perez was called upon to get Howie Kendrick and end the inning. But Kendrick put a wrench in all of Acta's strategic machinery by bunting with two outs, and with the Indians' infielders playing back, Kendrick reached first easily, and the Angels won the game.

The Indians were those two pitches away from finishing the road trip with a 4-5 record, which would have been a nice record considering who they played. Instead, the Indians head east having gone 3-6, and with an overall 9-12 record.

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I want to see the graph for this game. Appalling.

Branyan’s at bat in the sixth inning is probably a reminder of why many teams have soured on him. It’s not totally fair, of course. His OPS should have been enough to get him a more regular job over his career. But I imagine there are many occasions when team management feels a collective head explosion over the guy, and that was one of those moments.

by tabler84 on Apr 29, 2010 6:01 AM EDT reply actions  

Was I the only one who thought Perez could have made a little more effort on that ball? I don’t deny that it would have been a tough play to make, but it looked like he gave up on it awful early.

Come on, four billion!

by Joel D on Apr 29, 2010 8:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Smart play by Kendrick, caught the defense on its heels. So, if you are C Perez, what do you do the next time you face this guy?

by kennesawmountainwahoo on Apr 29, 2010 9:07 AM EDT reply actions  

won’t be surprised.

“It was a bad baseball play that happened to work out,” Perez said afterward. “I don’t want to say it was bush league. But you never see that. Ninety-nine percent of hitters in that situation would rather win the game with a hit, not a bunt.”

You are reading my signature.

by rolub on Apr 29, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Entirely correct. It’s like when hitters complain about not getting fastballs, about pitchers’ throwing junk.

by odradek on Apr 29, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Perez is wrong but I don’t mind him being vocal. I’m alright with a closer who shoots his mouth off and throws gas. He wants to go strength on strength because he believes in his strength (fastball, slider).

That’s an admittedly rose-colored view but I’ve got no problem with finally having an Indian who says interesting things and angers opponents. If he can reel off 25 consecutive scoreless, we just might have something.

by afh4 on Apr 29, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with this, too. It’s nice to read about, but he’s just running his mouth. He’s frustrated, and he should be.

by odradek on Apr 29, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t disagree, but…

To say “I don’t want to say…”, when you’re obviously saying it anyway… well, THAT’S bush league.

by ManchildinBeantown on Apr 29, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

i’m with perez on this one, actually. beat me like a man, i say. bunting may be all smart, but it’s still annoying. what’s wrong with being annoyed by that? it’s annoying. picture pierzynski doing it. it’s really annoying.

by Brick. on Apr 29, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

As a Duke basketball fan, I have agreed to never complain about teams winning through annoying methods.

Except the Twins. I hate the Twins.

by afh4 on Apr 29, 2010 11:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think you’re in the clear to hate the Angels for trumpeting their Scioscianess and pretending it’s got anything to do with their relative success as a franchise. They win by writing checks. Hearing Angels fans go on about creativity and situational hitting is like … it’s like this kid wins the Pinecar Derby, and it’s pretty obviously because his dad’s an automotive engineer who moonlights as a semi-professional whittler, but the kid goes around bragging about the suh-weet paint job he did.

And the paint job sucks.

by fleerdon on Apr 29, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I honestly don’t know how the Angels were any good. Who have been their best players through the run of success? Did they pay out the nose for those guys?

I guess, what, Vlad, Lackey, K-Rod, Chone, Garrett What’s His Face?

by afh4 on Apr 29, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seat of the pants answer: Mariners sucked, A’s sucked, Rangers sucked.

by fleerdon on Apr 29, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

They paid beaucoup bucks for Kendry.

by odradek on Apr 29, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

ROFL

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin

by Spidey on Apr 29, 2010 4:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yep. I want Chris Perez to be pissed in that situation, even if it was a smart baseball move. My first reaction is I don’t want Chris Perez to retaliate, given that he can’t afford to be putting extra guys on base. Of course, it’s a mystery in which inning Perez will be pitching come September.

by FredOx on Apr 29, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

HBP is the same as a BB- what’s the big deal about retaliation?

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin

by Spidey on Apr 29, 2010 4:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Picturing Pierzynski doing anything is really annoying, so I’m not sure what this proves.

Come on, four billion!

by Joel D on Apr 29, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, I’m picturing Pierzynski punching Ron Gardenhire and I’m sort of enjoying it.

by afh4 on Apr 29, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Even picturing him doing something I would like done gives me a slightly queasy feeling. I would imagine him subsequently demanding my gratitude in the douchiest way possible.

Come on, four billion!

by Joel D on Apr 29, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, and also: What in blazes is he supposed to say? “Wow, really caught me back on my heels there! Hats off to you, Howie Kendrick, a true ath-uh-lete! And did I mention you smell nice?”

by fleerdon on Apr 29, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kendrick really irritates me. Guys like Tom Hamilton are obsessed with him b/c he has bat to ball ability, even though he’s not a very good player. I am so sick of hearing Hamilton tout Kendrick as a future batting champ. He’s a 26 year old who got sent down last season because he couldn’t hit.

Asdrubal is 2+ years younger and has the same OPS in only 60 less games. And Cabrera plays SS, not fringe 2B/1B. But does Hamilton ever realize that Cabrera is one of the game’s best young players? Never that I’ve heard.

Ugh I can’t stand Hamilton. Hearing him get super excited to hear opposing team’s make great defensive plays is incredibly, incredibly tiresome.

by afh4 on Apr 29, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s why Hegan is quietly my favorite. If a stormcloud that rained live goats opened up in the sky over Mike Hegan, he might comment that the weather was poor.

by fleerdon on Apr 29, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I prefer Hegan, as well.

by afh4 on Apr 29, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do not. He reminds me of why someone invented television.

by Brad D on Apr 30, 2010 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

And Cabrera sidesteps a goat, makes the throw to first. One down.

"...maybe this year, there's no gorilla" - YoDaddyWags

by woodsmeister on Apr 29, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Hegan often doesn’t utter words. Hamilton will say something about a missed call, or a botched play, or a called ball that should have been a strike, and Hegan’s response: a clenched-mouth shaking of his head, which comes over the air as “mm, mm, mm.” Sometimes just one emphatic “mm!” It’s very effective.

by Deep South Ken on Apr 29, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

My only problem with Hegan is that he has a tendency to omit critical details, like, oh, say, whether the runner scored from second on a single. I think he forgets sometimes that we can’t see the action.

by Logodaedalus on Apr 29, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

yes, exactly this.

Practicing my left-handed swing as I type. By next week I'll be able to hit Masterson and Smith.

by westbrook on Apr 29, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with this. He does what I’m counting on him to do: describes the events on the field at an appropriate level of detail for someone who can’t see them. He may get a little overexcited (or arguably a lot overexcited), but that’s part of his charm. It’s annoying to hear such excitement on frustratingly great defensive plays by the opposition, but it shows that he appreciates good baseball. As frustrating as it is, I’d rather see the offense stymied by great defense than by, say, chasing pitches out of the zone all the time, or just hitting weak, routine grounders.

by Logodaedalus on Apr 29, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree. I value Hammy.

by Jay on Apr 29, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

His best trait, by far, is that ability to convey exactly what is going on in real time, even on complicated plays. That’s the most important skill for a radio guy.

Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile

by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Apr 29, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I genuinely appreciate the excitement in Hamilton’s delivery. It’s over the top sometimes, but that’s ok. He communicates not only what happened but how he feels about what happened.

With Hamilton, when someone strikes out, you can tell if it was an exciting strikeout. His voice communicates the excitement I would feel if I were able to see it. “Full count, the pitch…a su-WING, and he GOT’EM on the high fastball.”

Good stuff.

by 9James on Apr 30, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

There’s no reason Howie Kendrick should be Howie Kendrick, but Josh Barfield can’t. These are the things that frustrate me.

by xrickx on Apr 29, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Kendrick was a significantly better prospect coming up than Barfield was. I think many Angels fans are probably waiting for him to crack the 800 OPS barrier and are disappointed that he hasn’t.

The flip side is that Asdrubal is Asdrubal, despite never having been anything like a #12 prospect, and Howie isn’t.

by Jay on Apr 29, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought we already had a guy who did that…

by hans on Apr 29, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree. Imagine if Justin had said this in a similar situation? We would all be on his case, and rightfully so. You can be a vocal leader without saying stupid things that make your franchise look bad.

LGT's resident moderate Yankee hating fan.

by Joe. on Apr 29, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Indians are often boring. Perez is not. Good for Perez.

If Justin said this, I wouldn’t really care. I’d probably sort of agree because I hate bunting.

by afh4 on Apr 29, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m sorry there’s no rational argument for this. It’s very silly.

LGT's resident moderate Yankee hating fan.

by Joe. on Apr 29, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

No rational argument for thinking it’s sort of fun? I mean, he’s not hurting anyone. He’s not a misogynist or a racist. He’s a guy being competitive in a sort of stupid, goofy way.

Why can’t I like that? Sports are silly. I would enjoy having a guy around who actually said some things to stir the pot, even if they don’t make tons of sense. He doesn’t make anyone else or the franchise look bad, or not at any rate or magnitude that’s going to outpace how his own performance reflects on the organization.

by afh4 on Apr 29, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I’m with Andrew.

Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile

by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Apr 29, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like a Milton Bradley?

by joeee on Apr 30, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m ignoring this.

Domestic assault accusations are not stirring the pot.

by afh4 on Apr 30, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who said anything about his rap sheet? He’s a talker just like any host of enemy players. Sucks when they do it.

by joeee on May 1, 2010 3:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Your statement clearly implies “Wouldn’t you also like Milton Bradley on this team?” And no, I wouldn’t, for reasons that have nothing to do with the way he runs his mouth.

by afh4 on May 1, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Obviously, and I’m guilty of being glib (sorry), but Perez calling a non-bush-league play as “bush-league” is, quite frankly, bush-league. Dellucci’s “May Baseball” remark is a clinic on how to be critical to the press.

by joeee on May 1, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately, Dellucci sucked at everything else.

by Roger Dorn on May 1, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Geez, odradek, I was hoping to start a whole “he never woulda pulled that stunt on Gibson or Drysdale” conversation!

by kennesawmountainwahoo on Apr 29, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gibson wouldn’t have stopped at hitting you the next at bat. He would have hit you once a game the next few times he pitched against you.

"...maybe this year, there's no gorilla" - YoDaddyWags

by woodsmeister on Apr 29, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jamey Wright has hit 32 more batters in his career than did Gibson. Just call him The Enforcer.

by YoDaddyWags on Apr 29, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but when Gibson hit you, he did it because he wanted to. You knew it, he knew it, and everyone knew it. When Wright hits you, it’s generally because of incompetence. There is a difference.

"...maybe this year, there's no gorilla" - YoDaddyWags

by woodsmeister on Apr 29, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Since 1950, there have been 26 pitchers with 18 or more HBP in a season. Wright is one of only three to have done it twice (along with Don Drysdale and Randy Johnson). The 38 batters he hit in 2000-2001 are the most in any two year span since Cy Morgan hit 39 in 1910-1911. He was also the most efficient, requiring only 718 BF to plunk 18 in 2000.

by FredOx on Apr 29, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

When we stop sucking and the weekly features come back, I would like to nominate this for retroactive post of the week.

by gte619n on Apr 29, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does the Plunk Everyone guy know this?

by Jay on Apr 29, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

See Dock Ellis vs Cincinnati Reds, May 1, 1974.

by odradek on Apr 29, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Last time I looked, they score a bunt single a hit. I’m going back to Wee Willie Keeler on this one. Gibson or Drysdale would have been thinking about a bunt and would have pitched Kendrick up and in just to see if he was squaring around.

by odradek on Apr 29, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

A little chin music beforehand would have been appropriate, yes.

Blake: Thanks to you, I am damaged beyond repair!!

by emd2k3 on Apr 29, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Except Perez doesn’t have the control to give up a pitch.

by odradek on Apr 29, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

On second thought, is there a Potential Bunt Situation Power Point presentation available?

Blake: Thanks to you, I am damaged beyond repair!!

by emd2k3 on Apr 29, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

powers-esque

If you don't respect Aaron Laffey, I will fight you.

by Cap'n Snegiryov on Apr 29, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

hell, i don’t even mind it during a no-hitter that isn’t close. an opposing lineup should do everything in its power to avoid getting no-hit

If you don't respect Aaron Laffey, I will fight you.

by Cap'n Snegiryov on Apr 29, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh come on now

Practicing my left-handed swing as I type. By next week I'll be able to hit Masterson and Smith.

by westbrook on Apr 29, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

An opposing lineup should do everything in its power to win. Whether that entails laying down a bunt in a blow-out no-no is questionable at best.

Come on, four billion!

by Joel D on Apr 29, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, when it’s not adding tangibly to a team’s win probability, that is kinda classless.

by Logodaedalus on Apr 29, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don’t get this logic.

 first, why is a bunt single “cheaper” or less legitimate than a bloop single or even a regular shot up the middle? i thought the objective of hitting was to get on base any way possible. it takes skill and practice to execute a bunt single, just like it does to get a regular single.

2nd, i don’t see what difference it makes if it’s a no hitter. if you accept that bunt singles are a legitimate getting-on-base tool within the rules of the game, then the pitcher can earn his no hitter by not giving up any bunt singles. i don’t get why it’s “cheap” to lay down a well-executed bunt single to break up a no-hitter, but it’s fine to get a hit in another fashion. if you want to have a no hitter as one of your achievements, why should the opposing lineup make it easy? you should have to earn that ish.

3rd, i don’t see why having it be a blow-out is relevant. you’re basically saying that it’s appropriate for hitters to stop trying in certain contexts. i disagree. they’re getting paid mostly on the basis of individual production, and if i’m a hitter i approach every single at bat with the idea of getting on base, opposing pitcher’s stat-line be damned.

If you don't respect Aaron Laffey, I will fight you.

by Cap'n Snegiryov on Apr 29, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

The bunt single is definitely not as cheap as a bloop and no cheaper than a seeing-eye grounder. It’s a challenge play. The batter chooses the battle, and he accepts the consequences.

by Jay on Apr 29, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed—it’s not cheap, and a pitcher whose game gets thrown off by a bunt single is no more deserving of having that hit erased than a pitcher who gives up a less—well, I don’t know what the word is, maybe “controverted”?—type of base hit. For an individual player, pitching a no-hitter is arguably the greatest single-game accomplishment in the sport. It’s a tough thing to do, and that’s partially because there are a multitude of ways a batter can get a hit, one of which is a bunt single. You want to notch a no-no on your belt? Fine, but you have to accept the challenge in its entirety.

If you don't respect Aaron Laffey, I will fight you.

by Cap'n Snegiryov on Apr 29, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

You don’t set out trying to hit a bloop single or a seeing-eye grounder. Those things are luck. The bunt single is a conscious decision.

The question of etiquette is a completely different question from how cheap the result was, i.e., how “cheated” the pitcher should feel.

by Logodaedalus on Apr 29, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

However, it is a little girly and quite Minnesota-y of anyone.

Blake: Thanks to you, I am damaged beyond repair!!

by emd2k3 on Apr 29, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Minnesota Syndrome is chalk hits, swinging bunts, Baltimore chops. Bunts are permissible. Omar Moreno says so.

by odradek on Apr 29, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

In a blowout, I think the bunt is kind of a cop-out because it completely eliminates the chance for a play with greater run value (i.e., a double) in exchange for slightly less humiliation. When I really don’t like a bunt is when it is used as an obvious alternative to striking out, as I think I recall Craig Biggio doing back when Kerry Wood wasn’t hurt. The bunt for a hit when you need a hit, a la what we saw last night, strikes me as not only completely in play but sometimes significantly wiser than swinging away.

Come on, four billion!

by Joel D on Apr 29, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t have a problem with bunting for a hit to avoid striking out per se, but you’d have to believe you have a reasonable chance of a hit. Just bunting for an out because you don’t want to strikeout is stupid.

by Logodaedalus on Apr 29, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Greater run value? It’s a walk-off play!

What you’re really saying here is just that it’s strategic, playing for one run.

by Jay on Apr 29, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was talking about in a blow-out, not in this situation, when I referenced run value. Other than a HR, there is no play with a possible greater impact on the score than the walk-off bunt had.

Come on, four billion!

by Joel D on Apr 29, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure, I’d understand someone getting ticked off if he has a no-hitter in a 9-0 game and someone bunts.

But yesterday’s game? Bunting is completely in play.

by Ryan on Apr 29, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

The only example I can think of was the Curt schilling game, but that was only 1-0 game and I was okay with the bunt in that situation.

by Roger Dorn on Apr 29, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Curt Schilling is a douche.

by Brad D on Apr 30, 2010 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, this is the correct response for Kendrick’s next at bat versus any Tribe pitcher. Gotta pick up your teammates.

"...maybe this year, there's no gorilla" - YoDaddyWags

by woodsmeister on Apr 29, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Soft tossing lefties not invited.

by kennesawmountainwahoo on Apr 29, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

He should do nothing. Bunting is part of the game.

by Ryan on Apr 29, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I agree. From a strategic standpoint, it was nothing short of genius.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on Apr 29, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think it was well short of genius, but it was a smart move.

by Jay on Apr 29, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Okay, fine, if you want to mince words. But frankly, we got outsmarted and I don’t see how that calls for a retaliation of any sort.

I’m cool if we can concoct a method to “outsmart them back.”

Frankly, the idea that we would bean someone because they made a smart play comes across as equivalent to the the bully that tries to beat you up on the playground because you accused him of having a dangling participle.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on Apr 29, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don’t disagree with this. But do you really believe that Kendrick made the decision to bunt?

-Erik

by drerikbrady on Apr 29, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why wouldn’t I? I’ve known guys – even really slow guys – who loved trying the push bunt when the 2B was playing deep, and often to great effect. Maybe Kendrick is a smart player, or maybe he just loves the push bunt.

Come on, four billion!

by Joel D on Apr 29, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s the same reason nobody likes a smart aleck.

"...maybe this year, there's no gorilla" - YoDaddyWags

by woodsmeister on Apr 29, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because that guy is actually more intelligent? It’s stupid to sit here and criticize the team that beat us for the method with which they did so. They won, we lost.

by Brad D on Apr 30, 2010 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I haven’t found any retaliatory plunkings in my brief tour of B-ref, even when Mike Davis went on to OPS 1189 against the Angels in 84-85 after laying down a 10th inning squeeze to beat them 3-2 in July of 84.

by YoDaddyWags on Apr 29, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, then, the Indians can make history!

"...maybe this year, there's no gorilla" - YoDaddyWags

by woodsmeister on Apr 29, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not to get snippy, but I don’t think I was mincing words. I think I was reading them for their most plain and direct meaning.

by Jay on Apr 29, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m probably overstating it.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on Apr 29, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know what “mincing words” means.

by fleerdon on Apr 29, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

this

Practicing my left-handed swing as I type. By next week I'll be able to hit Masterson and Smith.

by westbrook on Apr 29, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

So is bunting consecutively.

"...maybe this year, there's no gorilla" - YoDaddyWags

by woodsmeister on Apr 29, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m going to call foul on the caption. The walk-off wild pitch/passed ball is more annoying.

by FredOx on Apr 29, 2010 9:58 AM EDT reply actions  

It also ignores the balk-off.

Il faut d'abord durer.

by CU Adam on Apr 29, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t mind bunting in the least, insofar as it’s a genuine effort to win a game. About the only situation where it bothers me is in the blow-out no-hitter, or when it’s obviously an attempt at stats padding.

by Logodaedalus on Apr 29, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Today’s Ethicist question: How about if you’re trying to win the batting title on the last day of the season from a really really bad man?

by YoDaddyWags on Apr 29, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

In other words, any Yankees player?

by Logodaedalus on Apr 29, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is there a car on the line? This is important.

Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile

by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Apr 29, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Is it okay to steal bread to feed your family?

by Roger Dorn on Apr 29, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Come on, Pops. That is really ridiculous.

by odradek on Apr 29, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay, Mr. Chalmers, to whom do you give the car: LaJoie or Cobb?

by YoDaddyWags on Apr 29, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nap was cheating, plain and simple.

by odradek on Apr 29, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lajoie, or Brownie manager Jack O’Connor? Nap started the day with a triple, after all. Was he just taking what they were giving?

by YoDaddyWags on Apr 29, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

As I recall (I haven’t looked it up), the Browns’ third baseman laid back and allowed anything hit to the left side to be a hit. Why didn’t Lajoie man up and hit line drives?

by odradek on Apr 29, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably trying to win himself some ballgames. Red Corriden played back as directed by O’Connor. Nap got the triple, plus 6 hits out of 7 bunts at 3B, and also beat out a bunt to SS. Brownies won game one, 5-4; Naps the nightcap, 3-0. Ban Johnson threw O’Connor out of the league when he found out what was afoot. Chalmers, happy with all the publicity, gave both Cobb and Lajoie cars. But Cobb, mistakenly credited with an extra 2 for 3 game that he didn’t play, won the bat title. SABR guys discovered the goof, presented Bowie Kuhn with the info, but Kuhn wouldn’t posthumously award the title to Nap. Cobb out-OPSed him by 48 points, by the way.

by YoDaddyWags on Apr 29, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably because he wanted the danged car would be my guess.

Come on, four billion!

by Joel D on Apr 29, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I’m starting to understand all the Angels hate on Lookout Landing.

"...maybe this year, there's no gorilla" - YoDaddyWags

by woodsmeister on Apr 29, 2010 10:02 AM EDT reply actions  

I don’t understand the beef with the Angels. Fast, athletic players. Good pitching. There are far worse teams, even in the AL West.

by odradek on Apr 29, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which teams? The AL West seems like one of the least objectionable divisions overall to me.

by Logodaedalus on Apr 29, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oakland and Texas. Hate them.

Practicing my left-handed swing as I type. By next week I'll be able to hit Masterson and Smith.

by westbrook on Apr 29, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Weird, I enjoy both teams. Oakland especially.

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by Joe. on Apr 29, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t really remember. I think it’s leftover from my childhood. Maybe I didn’t like 10:05 games? Who knows.

Practicing my left-handed swing as I type. By next week I'll be able to hit Masterson and Smith.

by westbrook on Apr 29, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heh. I used to hate those too, ’til I moved out west.

by Logodaedalus on Apr 29, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Texas and the Seattle Zdurieneks.

by odradek on Apr 29, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I despise Seattle.

by afh4 on Apr 29, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

They were really pleased with themselves. Could have cost the Tribe homefield advantage in ALCS.

by odradek on Apr 29, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

As is well-chronicled, the fans’ reaction to Milton Bradley induced a lot of head shaking from me.

by afh4 on Apr 29, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

bq.In the bottom of the 9th inning, light-hitting Felix Fermin (batting 9th) drew a walk, leadoff man Oddibe McDowell sacrificed him to second, and Jerry Browne hit a slow roller to Cal Ripkin at short, he was out at first but Fermin made it to third base. So it’s runner on third, two outs, and Joe Carter comes to the plate. He was the Tribe’s big power threat that year, with 35 homers, 32 doubles, 105 RBI. Baltimore was playing him a bit deep, and he surprised everyone in the ballpark by dropping a bunt single down the third base line and beating it out. The stadium erupted, and I’ve never heard a happier player on the post-game show than Joe Carter that day.

by bastich on Apr 27, 2010 4:03 PM EDT

Maybe Kendrick reads LGT.

I understand the concept of “drilling” an oposing player for showboating after a home run or other display of poor sportsmanship, but a walkoff bunt singe seems to me to fall under trying to win the game. He made a gutsy play that makes him look stupid if he doesn’t execute, but under the circumstances probably gives his team a higher probability to win than swinging away.

I see more room for controversy if someone bunts to break up a no-hitter, but even then if its a one-run game I can see an argument that trying to win trumps being a good sport in defeat.

by Pa tribefan on Apr 29, 2010 10:20 AM EDT reply actions  

if its a one-run game I can see an argument that trying to win trumps being a good sport in defeat.

Yup — in a close game, the only standard should be making good faith attempts to follow the rules. The “unwritten code” stuff has to take a back seat to legitimately trying to get your team a win.

by Logodaedalus on Apr 29, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

It doesn’t even have to be a close game. The gentlemanly BS comes into play only once the game is truly out of reach.

You what? I think it was an awesome play. Had one of our guys done it, we’d be reveling in it, because catching the other team with their pants down is as good of a way to win as any other way — arguably better.

by Jay on Apr 29, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was actually not thinking about etiquette when I started the conversation. My thoughts were more around “edge”. I thought it was a great play – but would he be less likely to try to pull it off if he had to think about taking one in the ear later (i.e., Gibson references)? (Of course, these two teams don’t play each other often enough for it to matter anyways).

by kennesawmountainwahoo on Apr 29, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

The take-one-in-the-ear notions generally are quite apocryphal. When a player gets thrown at, it’s usually because the opposing pitcher is an overly emotional douche, not because of some specific unwritten rule.

by Jay on Apr 29, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or he may have a dangling participle.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on Apr 29, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we agree. By “close game” all I mean is “not a blowout”.

by Logodaedalus on Apr 29, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with the second paragraph as well.

by Logodaedalus on Apr 29, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, important warning label! DO NOT OPEN if watching White Sox fans celebrate is injurious to your mental health!

by YoDaddyWags on Apr 29, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

AGREE. To whit, no one should watch this video.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on Apr 29, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

FYI, Goldstein says the Indians are focusing on high-upside high school arms in the draft. Some names no one has ever heard of are mentioned (Covey and Whitson).

Link.

by afh4 on Apr 29, 2010 12:36 PM EDT reply actions  

For the rest of you cheapskates, those would be righties Dylan Covey from California and Karsten Whitson out of Florida.

by fleerdon on Apr 29, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Personally, I think their ceilings are too high.

by fleerdon on Apr 29, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Goldstein also called Kipnis an “underrated talent.”

by afh4 on Apr 29, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

but how tall are they?

Practicing my left-handed swing as I type. By next week I'll be able to hit Masterson and Smith.

by westbrook on Apr 29, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, more Trey Haley, please.

by xrickx on Apr 29, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Both would be good picks imo.

by JP_Frost on Apr 29, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

First Neyer entry I’ve read in a long time where half the comments aren’t questioning Neyer’s intelligence, intestinal fortitude, parentage, or ESPN bias. Huh.

by ameliorate on Apr 29, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alex Perez making his season debut for Kinston tonight. 2 hitless innings with 0 walks and 3 Ks so far.

by APV on Apr 29, 2010 7:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Carrasco with the disaster start. 6-2 in the 4th, 2 outs, bases loaded. Has given up 1, then 2, then 3 runs in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th innings.

Laboring, overthrowing, no control, all being magnified by the Charlotte Knights running on Santana quite a bit.

Donald does have a walk.

Just got out of inning on a pop to center.

by afh4 on Apr 29, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

running on Santana or running on Carrasco?

by hans on Apr 29, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not really very adept at that nor am I paying all that much attention (new McSweeney’s came yesterday) but the Knights stole another base after Carrasco left.

by afh4 on Apr 29, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Isn’t this on the MiLB Gameday?

Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile

by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Apr 29, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looks like Perez has given up 2 runs in the 3rd. Trey Haley is also having a good outing. 3.0 scoreless so far.

by afh4 on Apr 29, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looks like Perez has given up 2 runs in the 3rd. Trey Haley is also having a good outing. 3.0 scoreless so far.

by afh4 on Apr 29, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Perez’s day is done. 3.0 IP, 4 H, 2 ER 1BB, 3 K. Replaced by Mahalic.

by afh4 on Apr 29, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not bad at all.

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by Joe. on Apr 29, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jordan Brown with a single!

HE’S BACK BABY!

by afh4 on Apr 29, 2010 7:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Chris Gimenez, who has the power Jordan Brown needs, hits a 3-run shot to make it 6-5 (Columbus still trails). Hit it to dead center, right over 405 ft sign, and that’s his 5th of the year.

by afh4 on Apr 29, 2010 7:55 PM EDT reply actions  

He has been on a tear the past week to 10 days

by APV on Apr 29, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brantley, who looks the same as he did last year in AAA essentially, bounces out to 1B after Bixler walked and stole a base. Inning over.

Haley has now gone 4 scoreless for LC, with 2 BB’s and a 1 K. Bo Greenwell has a 3B. I want them to get him moving. Before today, he was hitting .403 with an OPS over 1100 and he’s 1-1 with this triple.

by afh4 on Apr 29, 2010 7:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, they are wasting his time along with Gardner’s.

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by Joe. on Apr 29, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Carrasco’s done, out comes Carlton Smith.

by afh4 on Apr 29, 2010 8:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Only 4 of Carrasco’s runs were earned, apparently.

by afh4 on Apr 29, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Smith gets three straight 6-3 GOs, Bixler at SS. Inning over.

by afh4 on Apr 29, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Donald swats a ball into LF gap for a double. Probably caught by either a better CF or LF-wasn’t hit to wall or anything and had some loft.

by afh4 on Apr 29, 2010 8:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Santana flies to warning track in LF (oppo) Donald does a great job baserunning and takes third.

by afh4 on Apr 29, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Knights wriggle out of it by getting Duncan and Brown out. Smith has given up a double to CF.

by afh4 on Apr 29, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trey Haley is now through 5 with 1 ER.

by afh4 on Apr 29, 2010 8:09 PM EDT reply actions  

And Kipnis has another double. 1-2.

by afh4 on Apr 29, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s always a bad sign when someone doesn’t give peripherals, and sure enough, it was. Haley’s really not pitching like we hoped we would, but he’s young I guess.

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by Joe. on Apr 29, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I ought to take Jay’s advice and ignore everyone below AA but Haley is still the youngest legit prospect on the LC pitching staff (well, Clayton Cook is a month younger though I don’t think as well regarded). We can certainly wait on a guy born in 1990 to figure something out. Plus, the stories of the developmental restraints being put on him (couldn’t throw his best pitch last year, supposedly) make it clear that following A ball by box score is dumb.

by afh4 on Apr 29, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

A valid point for sure. This is even more true about spring training. I hate when people complain about Pitcher X’s struggles when they don’t realize that half these guys are being told to throw their worst pitch to practice it.

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by Joe. on Apr 29, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haley’s through 6 IP with only 1 ER now.

/can’t stop checking box scores he knows are worthless.

by afh4 on Apr 29, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know about worthless, just not necessarily a ton of meaning. I mean, do we ignore Mike Stanton’s low A stats? If only the people in my fantasy leagues had, I would have been set.

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by Joe. on Apr 29, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

There’s exceptions: guys who rack up K’s or HRs matter. But guys who are hitting for a high average or putting up scoreless innings with few periphs (or not putting up scoreless innings with decent BB rates, or GB rates or whatever) don’t seem to warrant much attention except for “get ’em moving.”

by afh4 on Apr 29, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Frank Hermann is not in the game but he was discussed and the Clippers guy called him “Herman”, like the name, not Her-mon or anything.

by afh4 on Apr 29, 2010 8:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Hodges with a HR.

by afh4 on Apr 29, 2010 8:29 PM EDT reply actions  

I would’ve never guessed that Andruw Jones’ career OPS is over 1.000. Good lord.

by afh4 on Apr 29, 2010 8:29 PM EDT reply actions  

He’s not referring to On Base + Slugging Percentage, but his Onion Ring Plus Smores Percentage. Cleary over 1.000.

Good lord.

Blake: Thanks to you, I am damaged beyond repair!!

by emd2k3 on Apr 29, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought it might be Omnivorousness Percentage Score. Yes, the recent vintage Andruw is fat, but you can’t score over 1.000 on the Omnivorousness Percentage Score, just like you can’t give more than 100%. 0.828 is a tremendous, grossly overindulging OPS, a world class Score.

Why must you people always expect so much from Andruw? He’s eating everything he can. He’s only one man, even if he has the mass of two.

Gotta go try those Smore Onion Rings you suggested.

by InfiniteMonkeyTypists on Apr 29, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reversed career and season. Whoops.

by afh4 on Apr 29, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Columbus has tied the game on the Hodges HR +a manufactured run (double, advance, sac fly).

Brantley back to the plate.

by afh4 on Apr 29, 2010 8:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Brantley walked.

by afh4 on Apr 29, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Donald safe on an error. Santana up with 2 on.

by afh4 on Apr 29, 2010 8:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Santana gets the walk. Bases loaded for the inimitable Shelley Duncan. It was the unintentional-intentional for Santana to get to the righty-righty matchup.

by afh4 on Apr 29, 2010 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

So I take it this is on TV?

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by Joe. on Apr 29, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have milbtv. I will spend 29.95 real fast.

by afh4 on Apr 29, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not the worst 30 dollars you could spend. Gives you something to do during the work week.

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by Joe. on Apr 29, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I spend 30 dollars much more stupidly, every week.

by afh4 on Apr 29, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I could give you a run for your money. I just spent $15 dollars at Fairway on mushrooms and genmaicha.

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by Joe. on Apr 29, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Duncan fails, Jess Todd on, walks the first batter he faces.

by afh4 on Apr 29, 2010 8:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Haley now through 7.0 IP with 1 ER.

by afh4 on Apr 29, 2010 8:56 PM EDT reply actions  

So Greenwell is 1-2 with 2 BB’s.

Tomorrow to Kinston, please. Abner Abreu isn’t giving Kipnis enough help.

by afh4 on Apr 29, 2010 9:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Brantley bunts for a hit, loading bases. Donald up with sacks packed.

Chris Perez refuses to play with Brantley.

Donald grounds into DP but gets the go-ahead run home. Oh, well. He’s only 7-11 in the series and a double and a BB tonight.

by afh4 on Apr 29, 2010 9:22 PM EDT reply actions  

with sacks packed.

I’ve never actually heard this phrase applied here, but I like it.

Though i also get an image of Donald carrying a sack of his belongings on a stick over his shoulder.

by hans on Apr 30, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Santana with IBB. 4 IBBs this year, 15 total BBs in 20 games.

by afh4 on Apr 29, 2010 9:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Hey guys, I’m thinking of getting MLB At-Bat for my iPhone. I already have the Gameday Audio thing for my computer, but I would love to be able to listen to games in my car, so I’m considering shelling out another $15.

So my question is, does it work well enough on 3G that I’ll be able to listen to a consistent stream as I drive around in my car?

by Chemo on Apr 30, 2010 12:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Absolutely. The radio part on the phone, while a little delayed, always works for me when I’m in a 3G zone. The whole app is very, very useful. I very much recommend. Just make sure you can plug your phone into a power source when you do it.

by ameliorate on Apr 30, 2010 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Best thing I ever did was replace an XM Radio subscription with the MLB app. About the only thing I ever listened to on XM was baseball, anyway.

by FredOx on Apr 30, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t speak for iPhone users, but I bought the app for the Blackberry, which is almost exactly the same thing, and it’s pretty great all-in-all. The in-game video highlights are especially cool.

by Jay on Apr 30, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

agree. best 15 bucks i’ve probably ever spent.

by Brick. on Apr 30, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

MLB At-Bat is the bomb. Go for it.

Blake: Thanks to you, I am damaged beyond repair!!

by emd2k3 on Apr 30, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

It hurts me to see Dodger fans badmouthing Jamey Carroll. I get the urge to log in and protect our Baboo, but then let it go.

by Toxicadam on Apr 30, 2010 11:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Complaining about the utility infielder is the lowest form of baseball discourse.

by Roger Dorn on Apr 30, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is he getting Mickeyroused?

by Jay on Apr 30, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was just borrowing your line.

by Roger Dorn on Apr 30, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did I actually say that? Or did I just say “lowest form” about ten other things?

by Jay on Apr 30, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only two I remember are utility infielder and manager, but I never agreed on the manager one.

by Roger Dorn on May 1, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think I ever said critiquing the manager, but specifically fire-the-manager.

by Jay on May 2, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is he getting Hollandsworthed?

by Jay on Apr 30, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

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