Yanks to everyone else: Stop whining and spend more money
You can't make this stuff up. I guess cousin Jay is going to bar Randy from the next family pot luck.
Seriously, though, isn't this exactly why the misunderstandings about baseball economics live on? I'm speaking more about the spineless "reporter" who could barely lift a finger to insert any relevant facts here.
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Jackasses.
"...maybe this year, there's no gorilla" - YoDaddyWags
by woodsmeister on Apr 6, 2010 10:54 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Just for the hell of it, I went to the Brewers and Yankees website to compare ticket prices. A season ticket for the Brewers behind the plate in a Field Infield Box is $3,564. The comparable season ticket for the Yankees is $18,750. The Brewers are pulling in 19.0% of what the Yankees are pulling in for their better seats. And that’s before you start talking about TV $$.
"...maybe this year, there's no gorilla" - YoDaddyWags
So you’re saying if Brewer fans cared enough to shell out what Yankees fans shell out, we’d have competitive balance? Milwaukeeans just don’t care enough?
Nope. Not saying that at all.
"...maybe this year, there's no gorilla" - YoDaddyWags
by woodsmeister on Apr 7, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I think he was being sarastic and rhetorical. Or his rhetoric is sarcastical.
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If the Yankees sell out their section behind the plate, they get more revenue than if the Indians sell out the entire season. I made the mistake of listening to KNR last night while the on air jackass was lamenting having to talk about the Indians. I again stifled the urge to go on and ask him to choose why he didn’t reserve his rant for the system as a whole for reasons ignorance or cowardlice. It got me to thinking though that the current system is going to kill the game. Regardless of the reason, there will be a generation of sports fans outside of the major markets who won’t be baseball fans. We will wind up seeing the touring mass market teams as the Harlem Globetrotters playing our small market New Jersey Generals in empty venues across the country.
Does Levine have a perm?
The author didn’t seem spineless – he made the sarcastic comments about the Yankees infield salaries:
Robinson Cano, meanwhile, must survive on a measly $9 million.
At least he did not mention Morneau, right?
I think Levine made these comments because he worries about fans losing their NYY hatred. The team has to remain relevant, don’t they? Besides, in a competitive sense, he sees the Red Sox gaining on the Yankees, so this gives NYY a few full season to remain “on top”.
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin
Voters have Randy to thank for the tax-fraud boondoggle that is New Jackass Stadium. But hey, it’s only a billion dollars, no biggie.
by Jay on Apr 6, 2010 11:55 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Well there you have it. Baseball is becoming Professional Wrestling – without the attendent class. That asshole even looks a little bit like Gorgeous George.
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Where has the hundreds of millions of dollars of revenue sharing gone?
In the initial seven years of the luxury tax, the Yankees have paid teams nearly $175 million in revenue sharing, according to the BizofBaseball.com. That is 92 percent of the total revenue sharing that has been doled out.
Let’s assume 20 teams get revenue sharing, times seven seasons. That’s 140 team seasons. That’s $1.25 million per team per year. You can’t get Ramon Vazquez for that kind of money. Even if I’m way off on the number of teams receiving revenue sharing—say it’s only ten—that’s only $2.5 million per year.
That was my first thought too
Basically the Yanks are saying “Yeah, Brewers…Why aren’t you spending $82M instead of $80M…cheapskates.” That would really make them competitive.
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No one thinks revenue parity is possible under any possible scheme, or that there is any possible scenario where the Yankees won’t have more to spend than the Brewers (or us for that matter), and the demand for season tickets is an indication of that fact. But well run small and medium market teams need to be able to grow revenue somehow, and “national” revenue, like broadcast revenue, falls disproportionately to a couple of teams. It would be good for baseball economics to change that somehow.
by MTF on Apr 7, 2010 6:51 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Wow, it takes talent to be that big of a douche. The Yankees have a long and storied history of using their size to screw over the rest of the AL, just got a billion stadium handed to them courtesy of the people of New York, and he has the cojones to scream about a small-market owner mildly complaining about the economic disparity between the two teams?
The Brewers are pretty much maxing out their revenue; they’re in one of the smallest markets in the country, are going to sell 3 million tickets, and have an $80M payroll. Hopefully the next commissioner (Bud Selig isn’t going to do it) has the balls to split local TV revenue among all 30 teams.
Levine’s point? Let them eat cake.
-Erik
by drerikbrady on Apr 7, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fortune mag estimated that YES took in $340 million in total revenues in 2006. How much of that got distributed to Milwaukee? Let’s go to George Steinbrenner’s house and ask him.
by YoDaddyWags on Apr 7, 2010 9:43 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
In a similar story, KTribe Manager Aaron Holbert tells LCC “Quit your bitching. We play by all the rules. If you want a Kipnis, get your own.”
In other news: Jeremy Sowers is getting a second opinion on his sore left shoulder. If he pitches for Columbus, it will be in the pen. Scott Lewis, coming off a season of left elbow problems, is in the rotation
This reminds me of an old Funky Winkerbean strip that we had taped to the fridge for years while we were growing up. Some poor awkward kid is in the orthodontists’ office.
Orthodontist: … and when your braces come off, your teeth will be perfectly straight!
Awkward Kid: But will the girls like me?
Orthodontist: Your teeth will be perfectly straight!
by Jay on Apr 7, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Well his show is called The Herd, after all.
by cleveland teamer on Apr 7, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I can listen to local talk radio on the browns and cavs but can’t stomach 3.7 seconds of it on baseball.
Poll question – Is this because
A Local talk radio is completely ignorant about baseball
B Local talk radio is completely ignorant about sports but I know enough about baseball or don’t know enough about football/basketball to notice it
C Some combination of A and B
D Other
E Chris Gimenez
by stuart dean on Apr 7, 2010 1:12 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
This.
And most of it is the listeners. The hosts want callers, so they focus on stuff that makes the listeners pound their fists. Of course, the listeners are probably that ignorant because of what they’ve been hearing for years on the radio… Chicken, egg.
Steel Nick
I’m very glad that the Brewers’ owner is actually saying something publicly about this. Now my two questions are:
1. Will he offer a rebuttal to Levine’s douchebaggy and misleading statements?
2. Will any other small-to-mid market owner/president stand up and be counted? (coughs at Tribe FO)
But it is kind of a classic in that mlb.com has the story next to an inset video where the Brewers owner is donating $1 million of his personal money to charity.
by Jay on Apr 8, 2010 2:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Pretty straightforward and dignified resonse to an uncalled for shot. Plus, Atanasio is right in everything he said.
Since even in NYC they probably think Levine’s comments are douchbaggy I’ll bet we don’t hear any further public comments on this from him. If anything, Yankees ownership probably wants Levine to privately apologize in some face saving way. He looks like a bully already. This isn’t Larry Lucchino and the Red Sox, after all, it’s the Brewers and lots of Yankees fans aren’t even sure who that is.
by MTF on Apr 7, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
First Comment:
Every team has homegrown talent, a lot of teams have much better homegrown talent than the yankees. The thing is, the yankees seem to have all the money in the world that keep their homegrown talent there. The Indians have brought up two Cy Young winning pitchers in the past 3 years, yet they no longer have either… interesting. One of these pitchers was thrown all the money ever by none other than, the yankees. You have a-rod who almost makes more by himself than the entire Marlins payroll, and still have the kind of money to sign CC to that ridiculous contract he signed. Most of the people defending the yankees are self righteous yankees fans
Will any other small-to-mid market owner/president stand up and be counted? (coughs at Tribe FO)
No kidding. The lack of any other comments from small market teams is why this issue will drag on for years until finally a franchise won’t be able to make things work….and fold. And we may well be team #1. Or #2.
by supermarioelia on Apr 7, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
again, it’s only been one game. let’s wait at least a month before we decide if we’re #2.
by Brick. on Apr 7, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Don’t buy the public posturing. For all we know there was a Seminole wrestling match in the lobby of the Carlyle that spilled unto Fifth Avenue, when the NYPD separated the warring parties, and returned Mr. Levine’s toupee to him, and, recognizing Mark Shapiro’s Ohio driving license, admonished him for behaving so inappropriately, and Pam Ganley, director of media relations for MLB, gives Shapiro back his Cat in the Hat hat, and tells him nobody is the wiser for their indiscretion, but maybe it’s time to take it back indoors to their executive suites. So Shapiro and Levine retire to the Yankees hospitality suite, where there is an endless supply of cocaine, Bud Light and California rolls. Mark and Randy, who negotiated the 1998 MLB labor agreement, continue fussing, and ultimately are removed from the premise by Carlyle security.
by odradek on Apr 8, 2010 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
the Yankees hospitality suite, where there is an endless supply of cocaine, Bud Light and California rolls.
Rec for saying the Yankees collectively have no taste in beer.
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Bud Light is the Britney Spears of beer. Faux hipsters don’t appreciate all the hard work that goes into the brewing of such a rewarding product.
by odradek on Apr 10, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
The Tribe FO went down this path…about eight years ago.
by ShawnK on Apr 7, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I think the problem here is ESPN New York. I dislike how they now have ESPNs for major cities and are giving them more coverage. not only that but the writing is more biased than listening to a politician give the new about politics (as far as I will go into politics). ESPN New York a little while ago ran this whole section on how lebron is an idiot if he stays in cleveland and the best move is coming to New York. the worst part??? ESPN put it on their HOME PAGE. ESPN has basically become ESPNY
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Well, to be fair, they put that article on the front page because it was the lauch of ESPN New York and they were advertising it. They did the exact same thing for the other city sites — LA, Dallas, Chicago, Boston. And they did have a good article by Brian Windhorst giving reasons why he thinks LeBron will stay in Cleveland.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
As bad as the Yankees are, the Marlins are almost just as corrupt.
LGT's resident moderate Yankee hating fan.
Had to delete a reply for profanity, but … how exactly to the Marlins enable all this to continue?
by Jay on Apr 8, 2010 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions
They don’t, but they also don’t put the revenue sharing money back into the team.
LGT's resident moderate Yankee hating fan.
The Executive VP for something (Labor Relations, maybe?) for the MLB was on Mike and Mike this morning and did an excellent job dispelling the myth that revenue sharing money is not being used to improve the on-field products of the teams benefitting from it. If you can track down a replay or podcast of it, I’d highly recommend it. He was about an hour and a half into the show.
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Wait, game time is 7:10 central? I take it they’ve done away with that 7/11 gimmick. I kind of liked that.
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I’ll even own up to not really minding CST games: I was just very impatient for baseball this evening. :)
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this up on SI today, Yankees net worth nearly doubles the second best team, and they took in $441 million in net revenue last year…
I’m confused:
The Marlins had the highest operating profit, Forbes said, at $46.1 million, followed by Boston at $40 million. The only teams were operating losses were Detroit at $29.5 million and Arizona at $600,000.
I recall reports that the Indians were to lose $16 million last year:
Cleveland Indians President Paul Dolan says team will lose $16 million this year
Net revenue does Not include expenses. that means at least 200 million just for player expenses, and millions more for luxury tax, revenue sharing, and other expenses of the team. Net revenue is the amount of money that they made total last year…and I am not surprised they make so much money. Net income would be similar to Operating profit. Net income would be the net revenue minus all the expenses.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
This seems super wrong to me, though I’m too lazy to look up anything that proves my point.
Everybody should get ice cream every day.
revenue is total money made. income is money minus expenses
In business, revenues or revenue is income that a company receives from its normal business activities, usually from the sale of goods and services to customers
Negative revenue counts in net revenue but expenses do not count. revenue and profit are different.
Net Income=Profit
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
I’m not confused by the definition, I’m confused by the inconsistency between what SI is reporting and the Tribe FO is reporting.
SI said only two teams had operating losses, Detroit and Arizona. Paul Dolan said the Indians were to have losses of $16 million…but perhaps Paul was referencing a net income figure.
Operating losses are losses before taxes and interest expenses. If the Dolans financed a portion of their acquision through debt, it is likely that a break-even operating profit would result in a negative net income after accounting for the debt payments.
oh…
definitely. I was confused about what you were confused about.
Good definition of operating losses. They are liabilities before taxes and interest (basically losses that are incurred through production or “operation”, also including overhead costs and others).
It is very likely that the team was bought through debt or on a loan. I can’t think of many people who have that much money lying around. once you include the cost of paying of debts and loans he took to buy the team, it is likely that he is operating in the red.
However, operating costs is something that matters more to the MLB i believe. a team that has positive Net operating income (no operating loss) is still “making money” (in quotations b/c the term financially is fairly ambiguous at how you define it). I guess it is good news that only 2 teams are operating at a loss. that means that most teams are economically viable investments for the league to keep.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
I knew that there was no way Detroit could be doing all right with that payroll they had been running given the Detroit economy. My legitimate question is how much of this is supported simply from Illitch simply taking a personal loss to make the team competitive? Or are these numbers not to be trusted. I’ve seen a lot of doubt cast at the Forbes numbers each year.
Illitch is probably taking a loss on the Tigers some years. But he also owns the Red Wings, who make money hand over fist. So far he seems willing to just let Red Wings profit cover any Tigers losses.
Illitch undoubtedly has taken huge losses on the Tigers.
by Jay on Apr 9, 2010 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions
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