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Craig Calcaterra on current poll results from cle.com asking readers who the best SS of all time is.

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Not really a surprise considering the crowd they’re asking to vote.

A normal fan would probably vote for Wagner.

by JP_Frost on May 26, 2010 11:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, it should be no surprise that Cleveland fans would be voting this way. It would be like asking Sawx fans to be objective in voting for the best second baseman in the majors.

by Ryan on May 26, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Glad to know I’m a normal fan.

I like Omar and I agree he is better than 95% of Shortstops historically. He is possibly the best Tribe SS ever, but he is not better than Wagner, Ripkin, A-Rod, Banks. A better question would be is Omar a top 10 SS of all time.

by datrain021 on May 26, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, that would be a better question, but still not a very good one.

by Jay on May 26, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least some of them are honest:

I’am not old enough to have seen some of the others.

Maybe someone can bring to lite the offensive numbers of some of the others before Omar and Ozzie.

Too bad there’s no way to use a computer to find out the statistics of retired baseball players.

In my opinion, Omar’s not even the best Indian on the list.

by FredOx on May 26, 2010 11:57 AM EDT reply actions  

How about some of the others during Omar and Ozzie?

by Jay on May 26, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

The poll choices are worse than the results. Just for comparison, here’s the Top 7 per Bill James ten years ago:

  1. Honus Wagner
  2. Arky Vaughn
  3. Cal Ripken Jr.
  4. Robin Yount
  5. Ernie Banks
  6. Barry Larkin
  7. Ozzie Smith
  8. Joe Cronin
  9. Alan Trammell
  10. Pee Wee Reese

Add to that list A-Rod and Jeter, both of whom have at least passed Ozzie Smith by this point. (A-Rod, who has more home runs as a shortstop than anybody else, 345, and did it in just eight seasons, is arguably #2.)

I think that almost anyone who took some time to look at it would end up with some combination of these 12 in their Top 9. So how many of them are this poll’s nine options?

Four. Aside from the no-brainer Wagner, they offered only three plausible choices out of eight. (Boudreau, Aparicio and Rizzuto are all Top 20, but the argument that they are Top 10 is pretty weak.)

Here are their choices along with Bill James ranks:

Omar Vizquel — originally in the 60s, now probably would be in the low-20s
Luis Aparicio — #13
Cal Ripken Jr. — #3
Ozzie Smith — #7
Lou Boudreau — #12
Pee Wee Reese — #10
Phil Rizzuto — #16
Honus Wagner — #1
Robin Yount — #4

We can forgive them an indulgence or two such as Boudreau. But you can’t do this poll without Vaughn, Banks, Larkin, A-Rod and Jeter.

by Jay on May 26, 2010 11:59 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Nice to see you giving it the old college try in the comments section.

Blake: Thanks to you, I am damaged beyond repair!!

by emd2k3 on May 26, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

A rare moment of tabler84esque idealism/masochism for me.

by Jay on May 26, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is Vaughn the least famous great baseball player ever?

by JulioBernazard on May 27, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

As if to prove my point, it’s actually spelled Vaughan.

by JulioBernazard on May 27, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

And what do you know, he peaked at age 23. Obviously juicing.

by Jay on May 27, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Or he’s Grady Sizemore.

Blake: Thanks to you, I am damaged beyond repair!!

by emd2k3 on May 28, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

On the other hand, this pole objectiviely demonstrates that 42% of cleve.com’ers are idiots.

(I know we feel that 100% are loons, but now we have hard numbers to support our agrument.)

by Harry Doyle on May 26, 2010 2:41 PM EDT reply actions  

I love the fact that you spelled “poll” wrong in the same sentence in which you called another group of people idiots.

Come on, four billion!

by Joel D on May 28, 2010 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Now, he’s talking about that pole … over there. The one the clevecommers repeatedly stick their tongues to in the dead of winter.

Blake: Thanks to you, I am damaged beyond repair!!

by emd2k3 on May 28, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

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