Wood Up, Lewis to COL
I'm a little confused by the Lewis demotion. I guess they're not ready to outright Raffy P or give back Ambriz.
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Congratulations on being our highest performing reliever so far. We are hoping you can teach some of those guys in Columbus some of the secrets of your success.
That was from Antonetti.
Shapiro steps in and adds, “Yeah – we’d really like to get those guys a championship this year.”
by APV on May 7, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m looking forward to reading the fanshot titled “Sizemore to DET” that explains the Scott has been promoted (following his next demotion, which could happen within the next couple months).
Was I the only one who was totally nonplussed by Scott Sizemore?
by Gradyforpresident on May 10, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
If you’re referring to his bases-clearing double, I would not have been more nonplussed had he sashayed to the plate dressed to the nines in his plus fours.
by YoDaddyWags on May 10, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I don’t know. I’m long on record about not caring about Ambriz and I still don’t. I can’t imagine he’s going to ever contribute. Then again, I don’t think Lewis can either.
The more interesting question, I think, is: If you can’t get Perez through waivers now, when can you do it?
I’ll make the counter-argument.
Perez has had three bad outings — but that’s all. That middle outing, it was single, walk, groundout. Not the end of the world.
Prior to those three outings, he had four good outings in a row, retiring 14 batters while allowing two walks, two singles and two doubles. That’s not too bad.
Hasn’t let any inherited runners score.
Perez can get a lot lower than this, and as a lefty who has dominated in the past, he’s going to get picked up.
by Jay on May 7, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re probably right but eyeball test, even when Perez has gone scoreless innings everything is smoked.
I realize my eyeball test means nothing.
And it only takes one team out of 29 not to have been using their eyeballs anyway. One team that was impressed with him at some point in the past three years.
by Jay on May 7, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
ok, fine. They subsequently get their hands on him, notice first-hand that he stinks, and then he gets waived again.
While we keep the next Carlos Santana for the next 7 years.
by jakesinger777 on May 7, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I just don’t see anything in the numbers or, thus far, in the performance. I think there’s a tendency to get a little jazzed about rule 5 guys but when I look at Ambriz, I don’t see why I should like him any more than Putnam or something. His turn in Columbus surprised me (he probably would’ve gotten the call for Smith even if he wasn’t the rule 5 guy) and I hope to be surprised more but I’m just not holding out much hope.
I’m still enamored with Veras.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on May 7, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe Aguilar throws hard too, harder than Ambriz I believe, but arguably, has even more command problems than Ambriz. Fortunately for us, thanks to the Lofgren trade, he is not relegated to only being stuck to the Majors as a Rule 5 pick like Ambriz is, so he has a little more time to work out his command issues in the Minors, whereas Ambriz has to stick NOW.
The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.
As I mentioned in my post below, there will probably some in Minnesota who didn’t hold out much hope for Johan Santana when he was selected as a Rule 5 pick.
Granted, I’m not saying Ambriz is the next Santana in the making as a starter or reliever; all I’m saying is that Rule 5 picks do work out from time to time, and being that you risk nothing in this season of low expectations, why not keep him and work him out until he proves he is not valuable enough to be kept. Certainly, we can’t make that determination now, based on the SSS, just because he is a Rule 5 pick. As I also mentioned below, I’d consider optioning Lewis to Columbus, outrighting Perez through waivers to Columbus, or releasing Jamey Wright (I don’t see him as a long-term option, and while he has gotten some DPs, he has given up too many crucial runs and has put himself into too many situations where he falls behind the hitter, can’t make up for a lack of great stuff, and has allowed enough runs to come in to heavily negate the positive attributes of the few DPs he has induced, such as the game where he gets the DP in the 9th, then gives up the go-ahead HR in the 10th, etc.)
Your comment about Putnam is a bit puzzling – I thought you were high on Putnam? Your comment makes it sound like you aren’t expecting much from him either – perhaps I misunderstood you. You could almost consider Ambriz as another prospect who is probably as ML-ready as he is going to be, moreso than Putnam, Judy or our other noted reliever prospects are at this point, which is all the more reason why he is up (in addition to his Rule 5 status).
The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.
I too wondered what dgcambridge is asking – Ambriz just got here, has a good arm, and has been halfway (or more than halfway) decent in his limited outings. There’s really no reason why you would offer him back to Arizona now – if that would be the case, why pick him in the Rule 5 Draft to begin with, just so we could make a pick? (And that’s certainly not the case, since we hadn’t picked a Rule 5 player in how many years?) Personally, I’d let Jamey Wright go right now before Ambriz – yes, he’s gotten some DP groundballs, but how many outings has he given up runs, especially critical runs, late in games? Additionally, he falls behind too many hitters and doesn’t have great stuff to make up for that lack of command. Plus, Wright is not a long-term answer anyway; Ambriz COULD be.
I’m certainly not saying that Ambriz is the next Johan Santana or even a future Indian (but has more of a chance to be around in 2011 than Wright does), but I wonder if some in Minnesota questioned whether Santana would amount to anything when he was picked in the Rule 5 Draft several years ago. In other words, don’t write off Ambriz that quickly, especially with the way our bullpen has been – outside of Perez and Sipp, the others have had their ups-and-downs (even Perez and Sipp have too, but not to the extent that the others have had), even Lewis.
Lewis started off better than I expected, but lately, he’s been showing those tendencies of falling behind the hitter, then leaving the ball over the plate and his giving up hits, seemingly in bunches. It hasn’t happened in many games to this point, but he hasn’t been quite as sharp as he was earlier in the season, and with his decreased velocity, his margin for error isn’t as great as it was in 2007. Plus, they can send him back to Columbus without losing him, which is not the same for Perez.
Certainly, you could make the argument that Perez should be the one to go, and if Perez is lost that it is no longer a big deal, but probably the Indians don’t want to take that road yet, hoping he’ll regain at least some of his old form. Reports seemed to indicate that his slider had regained its bite and I believe he actually had a few solid outings early this season, but then the wheels came off again for some unknown reason. Add in the fact that he is left-handed, and that’s probably all the more reason why the Indians aren’t quite ready to release Perez yet.
The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.
At least he gets to do it in exotic Columbus, Ohio.
by Logodaedalus on May 7, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
They aren’t going to make a panic move, and in their minds, anything less than 40 days is a panic move.
The perfect moment in terms of service time is first week of June. Valbuena spends three months in the minors, and now BOTH players are optimized for cost and control.
by Jay on May 7, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t mind this move. Lewis could use the work in AAA and it’s not like we’re competing for anything.
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To be clear, I don’t think I’d mind if they sent down any particular reliever. There seems to be a decent argument for all of them going down.
There seems to be a decent argument for all of them going down.
This is it really, they made the safe move sending down the guy with the option, but I don’t think anyone should be defending a reliever who has allowed 9 walks in 10.1 innings pitched. Ambriz in his four innings has four strike outs and no walks allowed. Perez is just as bad as Lewis in walks per innings pitched, but as mentioned Lewis has the option left. Taking everything into consideration, I think an argument can be made that Aaron Laffey has been our best reliever thus far.
Why not let Peralta play SS for one game and put Marte at 3B. I know what everyone is going to say, but he is a big boy he can handle it. Plus I would like to see Marte play.


















