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Tracking the attrition


Following the Indians' minor league hitters this year has been fun.  The pitchers have been less fun.  We all know that this is an exercise in attrition, but it would be nice if at least one arm or two would make a big jump forward.  We know the vast majority will be lost; we're just searching for the right two or three.  (So, yeah, I'm going to this image again)

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I had some time today, and thought I would take a moment to see how our pitching "prospects" are doing.  This isn't a ranking, it's just a bookkeeping exercise.  I just wanted to see everyone's line in one place.

I'm taking Sickels' list from back in January ("But the pitching. . .wow, there is a lot of depth in pitching") and checking on each guy.  (oh yeah, I added one guy - Price.  There are other guys who could be on here based on their performance this year, and perhaps I'll put them in the comments.  But I really think Price should have been on there in January, and it's my post).

I have divided the players into 4 broad categories (good, neutral, bad, and injured).  I probably could've have just combined the last two.  A couple of things jumped out - first, we don't have as many horrible/injured performances as I thought.  Just lots of guys in the neutral category.  Second, our "good" performances really aren't great, aside from Gardner.  There's no doubt that each pitcher's placement below reflects some of my own expectations for the guy.

The order of players in each category is not important -- just roughly from highest to lowest level.  I also left off major league stats and stat lines of less than a handful of innings.  I just typed these in, so let me know if there are any errors.  I've been fighting with the spacing for a while, and am giving up.  And hey, if you only want to see the good, stay above the jump!

EXCELLENT

Mitch Talbot - 26

You know this guy.

 

Hector Ambriz - 26

Columbus  8.0 IP, 9 H, 0 HR, 1 BB, 15 K, 1.12

Obviously, he’s in Cleveland now and doing just OK.  Sure seems like he should be getting more strikeouts.  I think he’ll stay on the roster for the rest of the year.

 

 

Jess Todd – 24

Columbus  28.2 IP, 29 H, 4 HR, 11 BB, 30 K, 3.45

Stevens – Meloan – Todd.   We have an awful awful pen, and here’s a guy we acquired by trade, who is doing pretty well in the upper minors.  Maybe we should try him.  Or did we see something, after the trade, that suggests that he just will not translate?  Are those 20 IP that he got last year (and the punishment that came along with them) the end of the story? 

 

 

Alex White - 21

Kinston  44.0 IP, 32 H, 4 HR, 19 BB, 41 K, 2.86
Akron     30.7 IP, 14 H, 3 HR, 13 BB, 19 K, 1.47

Eastern League hitters are tougher.  But this is good progress.

 

 

Joe Gardner – 22

Lake County    25.0 IP, 17 H, 2 HR, 11 BB, 38 K, 3.24
Kinston             45.1 IP, 26 H, 1 HR, 17 BB, 40 K, 1.79

Maybe the only guy on this list with any kind of positive breakout.  Not that he was an unknown.  He lost his crazy K numbers at Kinston, but guys still can’t get hits off of him.  He’ll damage Chisenhall beyond repair someday.

 

 

TJ McFarland (L) - 21

Kinston     66.7 IP, 57 H, 4 HR, 13 BB, 43 K, 2.16

He was appearing on the minor league ERA leaderboard for a while.  Another big groundball guy, obviously.  He was a 4th round pick.  Let’s move him up in a month and see what happens.

 

 

TJ House – 20

Kinston      65.0 IP, 65 H, 4 HR, 31 BB, 59 K, 3.32.

That line might be short of dominant, but it’s good.  Fellow draftee Trey Haley, on the other hand, still can’t find the strike zone.

Star-divide

 

TREADING WATER

Tony Sipp (L) - 25

Deserves his own fanshot.  But let’s just admit that we have no idea whether its better to send a struggling player down to rebuild (LaPorta, Carmona), or to keep letting him experience major league at-bats (Sipp, Valbuena).

 

Carlos Carrasco  - 23

Columbus  74.7 IP, 74 H, 10 HR, 25 BB, 63 K, 4.22

In line before or after Laffey?  Unless he gets hurt, we’ll see him in Cleveland this year.  He’s healthy, but the lack of any significant step forward is disappointing.  His FIP is 4.36, and the MLE for that is 5.82.

 

Yohan Pino – 26

Columbus     68.3 IP, 71 H, 11 HR, 26 BB, 56 K, 4.74

He was doing so good to start the year, and has now fallen off.  But it is his good April, rather than his bad May/June, that is closer in line with his career numbers.  He’s really lost his control lately.  He’s not knocking down the door, but he’s done enough to remain in line behind CC and Laffey if there’s a need at the major league level. 

 

Josh Judy - 24

Columbus  13.3 IP, 17 H, 4 HR, 3 BB, 18 K, 4.72

You could probably make a case for putting Judy in any of my 4 categories.  He’s missed a big chunk of the year, but back to his fantastic K/BB in his short return.  That’s a quick 4 bombs though. 

 

Zach Putnam – 22

Akron  40.3 IP, 47 H, 2 HR, 7 BB, 27 K, 4.02

Not sure why Zach has stopped striking guys out.  Like Judy, he’ll be in Cleveland within the next 12 months, barring injury.  But neither are on the 40-man yet.

 

Paulo Espino – 23

Akron  63.7 IP, 52 H, 8 HR, 23 BB, 51 K, 3.39

I could swear that he’s 26 and been in the organization since 2003. 

 

 

Bryan Price – 23

Akron  26.3 IP, 29 H, 6 HR, 6 BB, 30 K, 4.78

Always forgotten, but he’s better than nobody.

 

Scott Barnes (L) - 22

Akron  55.3 IP, 56 H, 5 HR, 25 BB, 59 K, 6.18

I had to stop myself here, because I was going to put Barnes on the bad list and White on the good list, but their peripherals are almost identical.  Barnes is a full two years older, and one level up, but the whole age/level thing is not as straightforward for pitchers.  If you ignore ERA completely, and note that Barnes is doing the same thing at a higher level, maybe he should be ranked ahead of House.  Anyway, in three starts in June: 16.3 IP, 2 BB, 20 K.

 

Eric Berger (L) -24

Akron     48.0 IP, 45 H, 3 HR, 29 BB, 41 K, 5.25

Drafted in the first 5 rounds? No. Trade acquisition? No. Dominican or Venezuelan? Nope.

Ok then, I’m going to assume that you’re organizational filler.  Prove me wrong.

 

 

Kelvin De La Cruz (L) - 21

Kinston   34.0 IP, 22 H, 3 HR, 8 BB, 28 K, 2.91
Akron     33.2, 34 H, 5 HR, 22 BB, 25 K, 5.35

Seriously though, Eastern League hitters are much better.  He’s got time to adjust, get hurt, and then adjust again.  Like Hagadone, he's close to the good list, but that walk rate needs to be not-absurd.

 

 

Nick Hagadone (L) - 24

Kinston  37.7 IP, 28 H, 2 HR, 29 BB, 45 K, 2.39
Akron    12.7 IP, 10 H,  1 HR,   9 BB, 12 K, 4.26

Will he figure out his control problems?  And would a move to the pen even help that?  I think they’re a long way from considering moving him to the pen, but if there are comments that indicate otherwise, post them.

 

Clayton Cook – 19

Lake County  54.0 IP, 54 H, 4 HR, 21 BB, 36 K, 4.50

For those of you who want to draft more high school lottery picks, here you go.  He’s certainly not embarrassing himself at Lake County.

 

 

 

 

THE BAD

Jeanmar Gomez – 22

Columbus  71.7 IP, 88 H, 11 HR, 31 BB, 46 K, 6.28

His Ferrey close-up is heartbreaking.  I don’t know why; that’s just the impression I got. "BlueJeanmar" is a classic, but how about simply "Margo"?  And yes, he did have an excellent start last time out.

 

 

Conon Graham - 24

Akron   35.0 IP, 39 H, 3 HR, 23 BB, 19 K, 3.60

Honestly, that ERA is pretty amazing.

 

 

 

WOUNDED

Hector Rondon - 22

Out for the year. (right?)

Columbus  31.3 IP, 48 H, 12 HR, 10 BB, 33 K, 8.53

Sigh.  At least he’s just 22, and by all accounts a very smart pitcher.  I’m just going to throw all my Rondon stock in a shoe box in the back of my closet.  I am still convinced that Carrasco taught him his Home Run Hanger pitch in the offseason.

 

 

 

Jason Knapp - 19

Shoulder injury, but the Indians are sure that it’s no big deal and he’ll be back at full strength any day now.

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Very cool. I wanted to add one guy, mostly for personal reasons (he dated the sister of a good friend of mine in high school).

Bryce Stowell (23)

Kinston: 25.1 innings, 16 H, 8 BB, 41 K

Akron: 16 innings, 13 H, 8 BB, 19 K (and he’s been even better of late, 12 Ks, 4 H and 3 BB in 8.1 June innings)

I’m really rooting for him to succeed for both fan and personal reasons, so I’m definitely guilty of wearing SSS blinders. I’d love to hear a less biased view on where he would fit on the list.

by TheDanimal on Jun 17, 2010 5:26 PM EDT reply actions  

I’ve noticed him too. Hopefully he can keep this up and get on the fast track to Cleveland. If all goes well, he could definately end the season in Columbus or be in line for a late season call up to the bigs.

by JP_Frost on Jun 17, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can see Columbus, but I think there’s a long way for him to go to make the 40-man

by 7foot3 on Jun 17, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wanted to add another guy:

Rob Bryson

After his shoulder injury, he’s really taken a step forward and is putting up ridiculous K rates. He’s still just 22-years old and could move up to AA this year. Just another arm to keep in mind.

by JP_Frost on Jun 17, 2010 5:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Yep. Kind of like with Gardner, I think they don’t want to rush him up the ladder too quickly. But both should be in Akron for a good chuck of the year, in my opinion.

by dgcambridge on Jun 17, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay, my guy is Marty Popham, drafted in the 20th round out of obscure little Union College in Kentucky. Popham will turn 23 in August. Here are his numbers:

LC 34 IP 36 H 4 HR 7 BB 28 K 3.71
KIN 27.2 IP 26 H 3 HR 6 BB 29 K 2.93

What I like most is the K:BB ratio. He’s 6’6" tall, 235 pounds.

by ken from alexandria on Jun 17, 2010 5:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Good addition. I like guys like Bryson and Stowell, but there’s only so much excitement that you can put toward a reliever. I’d love to see Popham emerge as another starter lottery ticket.

By the way, we need a better analogy than lottery ticket. These guys are not good bets, but the odds are not 100,000 to 1.

by dgcambridge on Jun 17, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, 100,000 to 1 sounds more right to use when talking about toregas. Toregas is another indians player lottery ticket.

by Brick. on Jun 17, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Holy cow, I played against this guy. That’s me giving up three runs in two innings (not one of my better outings; Luis Pimentel owned me) and him mowing through three almost perfect innings of my teammates. I always love to see the NAIA showing up and I’ll definitely be cheering for Popham to make it to the bigs.

For what it’s worth, I had gotten the better of them two weeks before. I always thought it would be neat to have someone I shared the field with make the bigs; it’d be even nicer if he did it with the Tribe.

Come on, four billion!

by Joel D on Jun 19, 2010 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nice line on the second one. Junkball?

by mcrose on Jun 19, 2010 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I still have that first game against them bookmarked on my computer. That one was fun to hear. It’s good to see some NAIA guys doing well after Beau Mills has let down the side. Here’s another guy you might want the update on; I was hoping he’d make it. Would have been a good story.

by Brad D on Jun 19, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was going to add a blurb about him at the end, but the above list also is missing a 25 year old reliever who has put up 12.7 K/9 and 2.0 BB/9 at Akron and Columbus this year, in 27.7 innings. Should we be talking about Vinnie Pestano more?

by dgcambridge on Jun 17, 2010 5:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, I think maybe we should, especially since Pestano—according to Tony Lastoria, I believe—actually changed his arm angle from sidearm to more three-quarters sometime between last year and this. I mean, that’s not easy to do without bringing on a serious case of hiccups.

by ken from alexandria on Jun 17, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hell, Betancourt was 28 when he had his Akron breakout. If it’s real, it’s real.

by Jay on Jun 17, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pestano, even at 3/4, still isn’t a viable option against LHB. His career numbers don’t reflect the change in delivery, but they aren’t good against lefties. And this year, in limited ABs, it’s been ugly.

Joe Smith, Vinnie Pestano..what’s the difference…

by xrickx on Jun 17, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you misread his numbers, or I did. He’s actually been better versus lefties in 08, 09, and this year. (all small samples of course) He was only worse (but much worse) in 07 at Mahoning.

by dgcambridge on Jun 17, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tony has this quote on Pestano from Russ Adkins:

Now he is doing that in Triple-A as his strikeout rates are great and he gets the ball on the ground. He is similar to Joe Smith in that he could get a little bit exposed to a Major League left handed hitter, but we will find out because he is showing us he deserves an opportunity, [though] the opportunity to pitch in the Major Leagues is obviously dependant upon need."

There are also quotes from (ok) Atkins on Stowell, Bryson and others.

by dgcambridge on Jun 21, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just so Jay doesn’t have to do it this time: his name is Ross Atkins.

by ken from alexandria on Jun 21, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

THANK YOU.

Don’t know how long I could have held myself back.

by Jay on Jun 21, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Minions to the rescue!

"Facebook is bad news. It and Jason Donald both crush dreams." - JRontherim

by woodsmeister on Jun 22, 2010 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Putnam was placed on the DL 5/29 with “right rhomboid tightness.”

Also, Alexander Perez is having TJ surgery.

by TribeJay on Jun 18, 2010 8:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Read that earlier. Too bad Perez has had so many injuries, but as soon as I heard forearm stiffness or whatever it was, I thought TJ would be a serious possibility. Luckily he’s still very young and hopefully he comes back stronger than before.

by JP_Frost on Jun 18, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Any word on the expectations with Putnam’s injury?

by dgcambridge on Jun 18, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I feel like there are shades of a Joeee v. USSChoo Jess Todd argument in this one. Or maybe I’m just easily riled. Either way, I haven’t seen Jess Todd at all this year, but if the bullpen keeps this up, it couldn’t hurt to give him another go.

"Spring Training wins are good for the soul."

by USSChoo on Jun 18, 2010 10:03 AM EDT reply actions  

I’m pulling for Jeanmar Gomez based mostly on his tossing a game ball to my daughter last year. His peripherals are just horrible. Has there been any chatter that he’s hurt in some way?

by Brad D on Jun 18, 2010 2:11 PM EDT reply actions  

I have no idea what has been causing Gomez problems this year. But, for whatever it is worth, his last start (June 15th) was far and away his best of the season (7IP, 3H, 0R, 0BB, 6K), albeit with a greater number of outs in the air than on the ground.

by APV on Jun 18, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I blame your daughter.

by Jay on Jun 18, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

In fairness to both Be Rad and Jeanmar, she is adorable.

Come on, four billion!

by Joel D on Jun 19, 2010 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Possibly the first nice thing you’ve said here about your brother.

by Jay on Jun 19, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

calling Be Rad a “she” is hardly nice.

Not here for the women.

by westbrook on Jun 20, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

That depends on your perspective, actually.

by Jay on Jun 21, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

LGT!

Not here for the women.

by westbrook on Jun 21, 2010 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Have to include Frank Herrmann, for sure – arguably the best performing reliever in the system at this point, just on numbers alone.

I’dd add Austin Adams, Chris Jones and Cory Burns as unexpectedly good performers.

by mcrose on Jun 18, 2010 6:17 PM EDT reply actions  

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