Transactions: Peralta Traded
by Ryan on Jul 29, 2010 5:52 AM EDT
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Traded 3B Jhonny Peralta and Cash to the Detroit Tigers for LHP Giovanni Soto (A-)
The Indians had a club option for 2011, but for quite a while that's been a moot point, since there was no point paying Peralta $7.0M in 2011 when they could be giving Jared Goedert or Andy Marte those at-bats. Jhonny's about as good a third baseman as he was a shortstop; in other words, his range is adequate, though he has an accurate arm and good hands. He's also been a durable player, appearing in at least 140 games each season since 2005. The problem is that his power has fallen off dramatically since the 2008 season; he slugged .375 last season, and it looks like he'll end 2010 around that mark. The Indians weren't going to pay $7M for that next year even if they didn't have some in-house replacements.
But, despite all that, I'm going to miss the big lug. He had some fantastic years as a supporting player in the mid-ouhgts, and probably would have been the 2007 ALCS MVP had a certain pitcher done his job. He was one of the most even-keeled players I've ever seen, always the same Jhonny whether he'd gone 4-for-4 or whether Eric Wedge had just ripped him in yesterday's press conference. He's been the same guy for all these years, not that outrageous splatter art on the wall, but a nice subdued table in the corner, something you don't notice until it's gone.
The Indians got for Peralta a skinny 6'3" teenage left-hander named Giovanni Soto, not to be confused the Cubs catcher named Geovany Soto. This Soto was picked in the 21st round of the 2009 draft, and even though he's only throwing his fastball in the high-80s is still missing bats in the low minors (8.3 SO/9 in the Midwest League). He's listed at 155(!) pounds, so you'd figure that he should be able to add some mphs to his fastball as he adds weight to his frame.
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Middle paragraph is how I feel too. I think in the Um Hey thread I listed jhonny as one of my favorite players. I’ll miss him.
That said, Marte, Goedert… Fine by me.
by Brick. on Jul 28, 2010 8:13 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I’m going to miss him, too, but only for sentimental reasons. What a disappointment he turned into.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Jul 29, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Let me play dumb for a moment…which pitcher in the ALCS are you referring to? Betancourt, Carmona, Sabathia……Joel Skinner?
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
I think Sabathia is the aforementioned pitcher who didn’t do his job – he faltered twice against the Red Sox and Beckett, and really didn’t do that well against the Yankees either, certainly not like you’d expect an ace to pitch.
Sabathia’s Game 5 against Boston looks okay, but if I recall correctly, he was quite shaky and only good defense by the Indians, especially the OFers, and Sizemore in particular, kept the Red Sox to 3 runs (I believe). Game 1 against Boston was a disaster, and Game 1 against the Yankees was just O.K.
Carmona, while faltering twice against Boston, did dominate against the Yankees, and he was a rookie, especially when compared to Sabathia. Sabathia was the one who was supposed to be the stopper, but wasn’t – it was Westbrook and Byrd, ironically.
As for Betancourt, the only negative he had was in Game 7 in that 8th inning. Otherwise, he was nothing short of dominant that whole postseason. And, I still feel that Betancourt would have been just fine in that 8th inning if not for the bone-headed call Skinner made in the top-half of that inning – I think that let the air out of the Indians’ balloon (that and Blake’s groundball DP right afterwards).
Therefore, you could put Skinner along with Sabathia, because his play essentially killed the last best chance the Indians had of tying that game and winning it. I feel the Indians had the momentum and were in a good groove in that 8th inning up until that point – the Fenway faithful were quiet and nervous, and the Indians were playing better ball up to that point. If the Indians had tied that game, I think they would have gone on and won it, but Skinner holds up one of the fastest runners (maybe the fastest) on a ball that ricocheted off that wall away from Manny, who was never known for an accurate arm, and cost the Indians the chance to tie it right there. That’s why even the announcers were surprised – heck, both the Indians and the Red Sox were likely surprised Lofton didn’t score on that play. That changed the whole complexion of the game right there, especially since Blake had a tendency to ground into DPs, which he did in the next at-bat (wasn’t it on the first or second pitch as well?)
Therefore, Sabathia (his whole body of 2007 postseason work, especially the ALCS) and Skinner (that one crucial decision that affected Game 7, and the decision that almost no one else would have made, hence the surprise by virtually everyone) deserve far more criticism than Betancourt (one bad inning in the ALCS, if not the whole postseason, and you want to say that he “didn’t do his job?” He faltered one time after Skinner made one of the biggest bone-headed plays I’ve ever seen, and I had watched/followed Indians baseball for the past 15-20 years before that) and Carmona, the rookie who outpitched the veteran Sabathia in the postseason.
The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.
It was just a point that it takes a collective fail for a team to not finish off a 3-1 lead. But, I readily agree with the consensus that Sabathia failed as an ace in the post-season.
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
I agree that it takes a team to falter to lose that series lead, and there were many culprits, for sure, some of which you mentioned, but Sabathia was arguably the biggest culprit. As mentiond, I think Skinner’s bone-headed decision, along with Blake’s immediate GB DP, was the final turning point in that series, which is why I think Skinner could give Sabathia a run for his money in terms of being the biggest culprit, despite Skinner really only having a factor on one play (albeit a very big play), but Sabathia’s lack of dominating like you’d expect an ace to do (like Beckett did) is a major reason why the Indians faltered in 2007 and didn’t at least make the WS, if not win it. Even Carmona did that (dominating) in one of his 3 postseason starts, Sabathia didn’t do that in any of his 3 postseason starts, and Sabathia was the veteran, while Carmona was the rookie.
The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.
Can’t be Sabathia, because he doesn’t remember Peralta being on that team.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Jul 29, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Peralta - The Dolan Minor League Show keeps on going.
Well, Yep, The Dolan Trade off train keep moving down the track. Tell me Dolan what are you going to do with the cash from this trade, given Shapiro a bonus? You’d have probably gotten more money if it was Grady. But what can you do? He’s injured. I guess you traded the next best thing huh. Well don’t worry, I’m sure you’ll get enough from the trade to make next months payroll. Really Larry, if you can swing it before the month is over, trade blister finger Wood too. Hey if his blister is all right by now his value will go up.
Think about it Larry, get your money’s worth while you can for him. He’ll only get worse as time goes on. You know those Index finger blisters are a re-occuring thing. Once you had one, it always comes back real easy. Don’t you worry about that 155 lb pitcher with the 80 mph fast ball, before you know it he’ll be hitting 81 then 82 then 83 mph, and before you know it , zingo – he’ll throw his arm out of socket, have to have Tommy John Surgery, and you have another Westbrook on your hands. Fans, I don’t think going to progressive field
this year or the next will be a rip roaring fans delight. Listen to the games on radio or on TV, but the excitement has gone out of Indians Baseball. Speak with your money, or in this case keep your money and stay at home to see or listen to the games as we die hard tribe fans do. I love the Indians, been a fan since 1957, don’t intend to change.
What does need changing though is ownership of the club. Since all Dolan knows is money, don’t spend yours with him. Make him wake up. When it gets to the point where Dolan does not have enough income to pay the grounds keepers, maybe, just maybe he’ll listen to the fans.
I’m sorry, I think you dialed the wrong number.
by YoDaddyWags on Jul 28, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions 12 recs
With all due respect, Peralta was not going to be around past 2010 – that would have been a waste of money, since Peralta’s production has steadily declined over the past few years.
Peralta was always a loyal guy, and at times, was unfairly called out by Wedge, so he will be missed by many, but it was his time, and from his perspective, he has a better chance to get back to the postseason.
With all due respect as well, I take it that you haven’t noticed the young nucleus or core that is forming at Progressive Field (Santana, LaPorta, Choo, Cabrera, Donald, Carmona, Masterson, Talbot, Perez, Sipp, Herrmann, etc. – add in a slightly rejuvenated Hafner, a hopefully healthy Sizemore, and some promising young talent on the farm – Goedert, Chisenhall, Stowell, and others, and it’s certainly not out of the question for 2011 and 2012 to be much more interesting and exciting for Indians’ fans).
Besides that, Dolan is not going to listen to the fans anyway – the fans aren’t showing up that much now, yet he and the organization are continuing to run things as they see it. Could Dolan sell the team? It’s possible, but probably not anytime soon, and the fans haven’t been coming out for the most part for some time, so I doubt that that will affect Dolan much. Whether you choose to go or not is up to you, but I wouldn’t expect that to really affect whether Dolan remains the Indians’ owner for the immediate future.
And even with another owner, such as Gilbert, the same economic constraints will still affect the Indians, just like it affects about 25 other organizations – we’re never going to spend like the Yankees or Red Sox and we’re likely going to always have peaks and valleys in terms of performance. We’re in a valley now, but 2011 and 2012 could realistically turn upward toward a valley for a period of years with the young nucleus coming into place.
That’s why the local media’s obsession to where we are in relation to KC record-wise is baffling to me – who cares if we are ahead or behind KC. Look at their roster and our roster and tell me which one you think has the better chance of contending for the AL Central in 2011 and 2012. Tell me which franchise has the better track record of reaching the postseason – the Indians last making it in 2007, the Royals last making it in the late 1980s (not sure which year – ‘87? ’89? Or was it ’85 when they won the WS? I’m not even sure).
The point is, for all the bashing that the Indians’ FO gets for trading veteran for young talent, they do have a proven track record of getting our teams to the postseason, where virtually anything can happen. The Royals, Pirates, and Orioles can’t say that, and until recently, neither could the Tigers or Rays. Yes, we haven’t won the big one yet, but if you get there often enough, chances are, you’re bound to break through one of these years. That’s why I hope you keep the faith alive – yes, it’s frustrating we can’t spend like the Yankees or Red Sox, but that’s not just Dolan’s or the Indians’ problems – that’s about 85-90% of MLB’s problem, and the lack of agreement between owners and players on a true salary cap, a problem that likely will never be resolved any time soon.
The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.
Whoops – when I said this:
“We’re in a valley now, but 2011 and 2012 could realistically turn upward toward a valley for a period of years with the young nucleus coming into place.”
I meant to say this:
“We’re in a valley now, but 2011 and 2012 could realistically turn upward toward a peak for a period of years with the young nucleus coming into place.”
Sorry about that, but I think the main point and message stands.
The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.
Wait a second, I thought Peralta was a bum because he replaced Omar! I need to get my script straight.
by Ryan on Jul 28, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Cleveland.com attacks!!
The Indians didn’t save a dime on this deal. They are paying all but the minimum salary to the Tigers, just shy of 2 million.
Are you seriously going to go ape crap over the Indians dealing Peralta of all players? I’d expect this reaction had the Indians moved Choo, or Fausto. Not Jhonny freaking Peralta.
"Ok everyone listen up! I've just invited Dave to suck it!"
Right – no offense to indiansfan1957 (I just realized how close his username is to mine – yikes! :-), but Peralta was never going to be a part of the future Indians, whereas Choo and Carmona likely are (provided they can keep Choo despite the presence of Boras as his agent), which would have necessitated a more aggressive reaction if either Choo or Carmona had been traded (i.e. wondering what the heck the Indians were doing if either of them would be traded, since you expect them to be part of the next young core, not guys like Peralta, Wood, Westbrook, and Kearns).
The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.
Yeah, and I would only give him one of your two cents….
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Jul 29, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps “indiansfan1957” is really Wes Hodges or Wes Hodges’ dad, wondering deep down why the Indians couldn’t have made this trade two days earlier.
by Deep South Ken on Jul 28, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Hodges was DFA’d. Detroit can have Hodges for a song if they want him.
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by woodsmeister on Jul 28, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I was not clear enough. Had Jhonny been traded a little earlier, nobody would have needed to come off the 40-man roster in order for Tomlin to be added. Hodges would have stayed put for at least a bit longer.
by Deep South Ken on Jul 28, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I missed the part about Hodges being DFAed, but Hodges was falling out of the picture for the past few seasons anyway – Goedert is first in line at 3B, followed closely behind by Chisenhall when he is ready, while you have LaPorta, Brown, and even McBride at 1B, so Hodges really had no place to play.
Therefore, I don’t think Hodges was a major loss; granted, the management could have been better in terms of timing, but it’s possible this trade with DET just popped up during the last day or so, which makes the timing unavoidable, and if the loss is just Hodges, it’s not likely to be a major loss, so in essence, it shouldn’t be a major deal.
The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.
This raises an interesting point.
I think we can safely say that anyone who reminds us that they’ve been a fan since (blank) is a complete douche. Especially since if you cite the year you were born, you’re lying, because I’m on my pediatrics rotation right now, and none of the newborns want to talk baseball. It’s annoying.
by supermarioelia on Jul 28, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
My 3-month-old threw up two nights ago when Jeter came up to bat, so clearly she’s paying attention.
by jds16 on Jul 28, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Thanks, but I stopped posting at Indians.com messageboard for a reason, broham. Your rant would fit in there despite some voices of sanity that would try to shout you down to no avail.
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Jul 28, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
So. . . you’re saying you think we should have kept Peralta?
If you don't respect Aaron Laffey, I will fight you.
by Cap'n Snegiryov on Jul 28, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It fits the Dolan-is-cheap narrative. Well, at least until you examine the actual deal that was made.
That’s the funniest part. We paid cash in this trade.
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Jul 28, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes – that’s what makes indiansfan1957’s post even more off-base – the Indians saved no money this season. In terms for next year, yes, since the Indians won’t have to pay the buyout, but that’s a relatively small amount of money in baseball terms, even for a smaller market team like the Indians.
They paid money so they could get a better level of prospect, which it sounds like Soto is, though he is a distance away, but certainly is worth the trade, especially since most thought Peralta would be the hardest of the 4 to trade for anything worthwhile. I think you have to give Shapiro and company credit for taking advantage of a situation that just arose (Inge’s injury) – otherwise, Peralta might still be here for the rest of the season, since I think the market of trading for 3B is very slim, and especially for a player who has been inconsistent like Peralta.
The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.
100% agreed I AM FAD UP
Finally some wisdom about this trade. Jhonhy was a perennial all-star, the one guy on our order hitting over .400, the one true slugger comparble in the Babe Ruth mold (like they use to make them in 1857 when I started rooting for INDIANS), and the one true hero, to. He was our third basedment of the future – very young and hearty with attitude and grits and improvement ever year
JUST LIKE CASEY BLACK WHO IS NOW FAMOUS IN THE NATIONAL LEAGUE BECUASE WE WERE TOO CHEAP TO PAY HIM – and now who do we have to play for us. Miner leaguers. COME ON DOLANT GET A CLUE
From, Ben
by bentausig on Jul 28, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
I’m with you. It is kind of sickening to watch people pile on to an older fan obviously just venting his frustration. For me at least, the length of time that someone has been a fan does matter, as (holding age constant), I have greater respect for people who suffered through 87-92, then people who became fans in 95. The same will apply to any new fans we accumulate if/when we ever finish the current rebuilding project and make it back to the playoffs. I imagine most of us will consider ourselves more dedicated fans than any Jhonny-come-latelys who show up at that point, so why shouldn’t this guy get to brag a bit that he stuck it out through 40 years of terrible baseball?
Obviously losing any player who has been here a while is going to conjure up some sentimentality, but it was time for Peralta to go. If Marte again fails to claim the job as his own, Goedert is waiting for a shot.
It is too bad though that we ended up having to pay almost all of Jhonny’s salary this year and in return only nabbed the contract of a guy who seems at least 3 years away from the bigs. I guess it is evidence of how far Peralta’s stock had fallen, and why we had to move him now for something rather than nothing.
Every pessimist thinks himself a realist. In the case of Cleveland sports fans, they are probably right.
This is a community. The great majority of folks here have been fans for one to three decades or more.
That doesn’t give one new guy any special status, so it doesn’t give him the right to yell. Not AT us, which is what he was doing.
Does he think that one of us is really Larry Dolan lurking here undercover?
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by woodsmeister on Jul 29, 2010 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Well as with everything, you hafta put ‘57’s post into perspective. The length of time a fan has followed the Tribe does says something about his experiences, outlook and biases. And 3 I luv the “suffered through 87-92” line. Dude that was a baseball Renaissances in Cleveland compared to years Nick Mileti and Vern Stouffer owned the team. This is where, I believe, our friend 1957 gets the "Dolan is cheap" mantra – he’s flashing back to those dark years of Indians baseball.
And just as the old timers have a distorted view of Cleveland baseball, I find that the younger guys do too. The idea that 40-60% of our "A" prospects turn into All-Stars and ~10% will be HoFers – not that anyone’s actually said this, but this is the vibe I get – is a product of our great success in the developing young talent in the ‘90s. In the Mileti/Stoffer era we were lucky to get one guy on the All-Star team who was there on talent and not the mercy rule.
You’ll see, as time goes on and you’ve seen a number of these peaks and valleys you’ll be able to appreciate the peaks more and ride through the valleys without losing hope.
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
There are racist undertones to it as well.
How long has this snotty and spoiled contingent been around? Is it mostly the creation of the PD? These so-called Tribe fans need to wake up and notice that our team’s custodians are trying in earnest to build a winner here. Several of the new guys are pretty damned exciting.
jhon, you’ll hafta show me the “racist undertones”, in ’57’s post, my detector must be broke.
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
Why not acknowledge the reason 57’s post is ridiculous? Dolan is cheap because we are eating the remainder of Peralta’s contract? The whole premise if completely wrong. When no effort to be factually correct was attempted, that’s where people check their sympathy.
I’m not asking for sympathy here. What I’m saying is that everything we know about the Cleveland Indians is based on no better than second hand and often third and fourth hand information. Much of what we think we know is speculation. Our own speculation is colored by our experiences and biases. ’57, just like all of us, including the "enlightened" members have similar biases. It just that I understand ‘57’s biases a little better than you younger guys.
But, yeah, he’s ab-so-lut –lee wrong about this trade being strictly economic. Makes a lot of baseball sense.
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
Hmm. I don’t see it either.
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Jul 29, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
What, you think that’s some kinda anti-Semitic thing? That’s awful sensitive.
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
I kind of thought that was just a play on the “Shap” at the beginning of his name since it and “Cheap” sound vaguely alike. I mean, I always “got” it (even though, technically wouldn’t the “cheap” arguments be better suited for the owner than the GM?), but thought it was rather uninformed, if uninspired. I never took it as a slur, though.
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I thought you might be hinting at that, but this rant was about Dolan’s cheapness, not cheapiro… Is Dolan Jewish?
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Jul 29, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I also never really took the name “cheapiro” as an antisemitic slur unless someone added in low-brow comments about his background along with it. I thought similarly to Ockus that it was merely a play on his name for the ignorant fan who wants blame life’s problems on “cheap” owners, regardless of whether they are Jewish. Maybe an anti-capitalism slur.
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Jul 29, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
You are probably right, I am sure that it probably sucked to be a Cleveland fan in plenty of other eras as well.
I just remember either watching or listening to every game during that 1991 season, waiting for Sandy Alomar to save us, and having my little spirit crushed again and again. I like to think it built character.
Every pessimist thinks himself a realist. In the case of Cleveland sports fans, they are probably right.
Unkind to “someone who posts here?”
You mean, unkind to some drive-by a-hole who drop in to vent him venom and then slinks away?
You mean, unkind to some jerk who’s spent 53 years “rooting” for the Indians mostly by being an ignorant, thoughtless gasbag?
Yes, that makes me feel better, and it’s easy to see why it would make someone else feel better, too. Off to cleveland.com with this jackass.
Still, there’s a difference between someone who’s obviously frustrated, but still intelligent and thoughtful (no matter how wrong his presumptions are) and the usual cle.com folks who drive by to rage.
I can’t stand the “Dolan is Cheap” argument either, but it’s widely held through NE Ohio and nothing will change that, not even a WS ring. Being Indians fans we will constantly run into it, no matter how much more “enlightened” we are.
Yes we are a community, but lining up to jump all over a guy for making a well written, frustrated, and yes misguided post showed a lack of class on our part. If the guy has been taken to the woodshed by two, three or seven of our peers; does it do anyone any good to be the thirteenth guy to post “YOU ARE SO WRONG AND AN IDIOT!” Are we not becoming what we deride at that point?
Maybe this guy is a drive-by here to vent. If so, YoDaddyWags, jhon and Ryan pretty much rebuked it. Having everyone else chime in does little but ensure that the guy won’t be coming around these parts ever again. Yes we are a community and we’re generally past the DOLAN IS CHEAP argument (thankfully) but we are also open to the public and we will have that argument (and refute it) many more times in the days, weeks, months and years to come.
We ride newbies and harass them for making posting mistakes. That’s all well and good. But having have large portion of the regulars jump all over a first timer – most in derogatory fashion – because he makes a popular, albeit wrong, post only shows our own bad side. I usually am proud to be associated with this community and its level of discourse. Last night did not sit well with me.
I just want to believe.
I think the responses were spontaneous, sincere and appropriate. I don’t think even the eighth guy was intended to be the eighth guy.
I think you are doing some serious reaching in your desire to defend this guy, which desire may be rooted in your discomfort with the response. “Well written?” Seriously?
The regulars here deserve the benefit of the doubt, and this guy doesn’t.
It’s piling on, and it’s not pretty. If people are incapable of figuring out where 1957 is coming from, they should think about it for a moment. It doesn’t add much to the discourse to add: “You suck, you stupid moron.”
I agree that piling on is not pretty. I don’t agree that our regulars were piling on. I think the responses were largely spontaneous and independent, and those in the pile didn’t realize there was a pile.
I don’t think anyone is having trouble figuring out where 1957 is coming from. He’s coming from not having entertained a single challenging thought on the subject of baseball in 53 of following a mostly bad team. Big mystery.
Again: The regulars here deserve the benefit of the doubt, and this guy doesn’t.
He’s coming from not having entertained a single challenging thought on the subject of baseball in 53 years of following a mostly bad team. Big mystery.
I’d say this is about right. It’s pretty obvious, and I don’t think the response was merited.
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The regulars exchange glances (and even a few smirks), and finally someone—it could be the Philadelphia bar tender—comes out from behind the bar with a Maglite and clocks the old man. A few regulars struggle off their stools to assist in dragging the now-unconscious old man from the premises. He is taken outside and propped up against a stack of garbage bags.
by odradek on Jul 29, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I agree. this isn’t like a football tackle where guys are completely aware of other guys going in for the gang tackle. There were about 6 posts i believe within about 20-30 minutes of that post…they did not seem to realize when posting they were really piling on. I will give them the benefit of the doubt here too.
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Even if they were piling on, I really don’t mind it. If there wasn’t a pile-on, this place will become intolerable like other forums which many of us have stopped using.
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Jul 29, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
The point is to pile-on the ideas being presented and not the person presenting them. And in that case I really have no problem with a pile-on to a rant like that.
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Jul 29, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Indefensible unless, unless this poster has written the most deliciously ironic drive-by post ever written and is laughing fit to be tied. If so, I toast the sublime subtlety. If not, it is the epitome of the mindless Hoynes-informed post that makes all of us so angry if we can stomach reading it. If so, he should have read the rules and lurked longer.
As an aside, there was a big spread last weekend in the PD about Matt Dolan’s candidacy for County Executive. It was mentioned that hopefully the Dolan name would not work against him. That prompted an ill-formed ranting letter in my head to the PD telling them that is the fault of their lazy, superficial coverage of Baseball’s economics. For chrissake, Hoynes thinks that there is a member of the Dolan family with a first name of “Cash-Strapped”!
by stuart dean on Jul 29, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry – been in a conference all day. I should clarify one thing – when I said “well written” I meant it was at least gramatically correct with punctuation, subject and verbs, etc. I thought about that and was certain you’d point out that it wasn’t “well written.” What it is, however, is better than most things on Cle.com which are intelligible.
There are two season’s that most people like this come around – the trading deadline and the Nov-Dec winter meetings. That’s when most trades come around and that’s when we see this stuff. We should know that by now and expect it.
And I still stick by my contention that the deragatory and attack comments (which Ryan deleted) were no better than what we so often mock. We pride ourselves on being better than that. Last night we weren’t.
I just want to believe.
It was a rant. He needed to get that off his chest, which is fine, but when you’ve seen a variant of that rant for the hundredth time, it gets old. Yes, there are very legitimate criticisms of Shapiro and Dolan, but when it’s obvious the guy has no interest in discussing things in even a semi-rational manner, it’s more than fair to give him some immediate feedback.
That being said, I have deleted some responses that crossed the line into personal attack.
I never really count how many responses there have been to a given comment and then on the basis of that number refrain from adding something if I have something unique with which to respond.
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Jul 29, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I usually enjoy your contrarian attitude, but this is ridiculous. This guy has never even posted here before. Nobody’s obligated to be polite and understanding to some dumbass, drive-by commenter. Those guys ruin forums.
If you don't respect Aaron Laffey, I will fight you.
by Cap'n Snegiryov on Jul 29, 2010 7:16 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You may be right, but a few people can handle the situation, and steer ’57 out through the tavern doors. There is no need to act like a swarm of angry bees.
I think the thing is a lot of posters here waded through this crap on one board or another for a long time before ending up here. here we don’t expect to see this type of stuff, and this kind of post sets off some type of bad forum PTSD.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Jul 29, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I hadn’t thought of it that way. But wasn’t the reaction bad forum behavior, even if it was intended to prevent it.?
it was, but it’s just as easy to justify as the original post. In my opinion, If you are going to say his post should be forgiven because he has his reasons, the reaction should be forgiven because those people have their reasons too.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Jul 29, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
You know what? We are. This kind of tripe doesn’t fly anywhere. Useless, illogical, and inane rambling shouldn’t be excused in the name of kowtowing to the unknown. to call this particular post idiotic would be to elevate it to a level it doesn’t deserve. This is drivel of the lowest level, knee jerk bloviation from the uninformed. This guy needs to learn something about baseball, economics, typing, and logic. Pandering to the intellectually crippled is no way to operate.
These kind of beliefs happen to be more commonly held than the enlightened views prevailing here. But that doesn’t matter to me, because I am an elitist. Yet I try to be respectful of those who are benighted.
Many people, even here, need to learn something about baseball, economics, typing and logic. That doesn’t mean we can’t be civil.
by odradek on Jul 29, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Civility is earned by an honest attempt at discourse. The man defecating in the refrigerator doesn’t merit a rationed response.
by fwembt on Jul 30, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Let’s put it this way: I don’t think ‘57 thought he was crapping in anyone’s refrigerator. I think it was an effort at some sort of discourse. Not a very good effort, but I don’t believe the intention was to come in here and piss everyone off.
wait…there are brothers here?
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
I appreciate Male Beauty
At least two pairs of brothers, one father-son duo, and one or two couples. My three brothers mostly lurk.
Again, the disconnect here is that you give ‘57 every benefit of the doubt, despite the fact that he’s done nothing praiseworthy at all, and you give our regulars ZERO benefit of the doubt that they didn’t realize that they were piling on.
Why would you choose to exercise your independent discretion this way?
Maybe because ordradek is an old school gentleman. Gentlemen are never rude to their guests, even if their guests are a bit dimwitted. There’s plenty of time to instruct Mr. ’57 on the nuances of baseball, providing he returns. Given his unseemly welcome, I doubt if he ever will.
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
I base my opinion on Old ’57’s text. Look at it. Despite Marble’s contention, it’s not well-written. It’s borderline semiliterate. It’s either extraordinarily artful or it’s a misguided mess, with the latter being most likely.
I believe I refrained from commenting further when people insisted their responses were spontaneous and that they were unaware of any piling on. I don’t necessarily believe it—and that’s an unpleasant thing to consider—but I figured the best thing was to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, as well. People can talk about how C.C. doesn’t accept responsibility for his actions, but sometimes we all need to look in the mirror.
I also tend to favor the underdog, or the opponent. I am concerned about groupthink and bullying. 57 is clearly out of touch with current enlightened views on baseball. But he expressed a contrary view—I needn’t remind you or anyone else that his is a popular view—and got jumped not for his view but for his personal failings. This is unfair. One person could have taken care of him, but a crowd swarmed him. Unknowingly, perhaps.
I have my suspicions that there may be other dimwitted people here, but we deal with them in a more forgiving manner.
This has honestly become the most unnecessarily overanalyzed thing I have seen on this site.
"I spoil a lot of people with my play." -Lebron James
by Roger Dorn on Jul 30, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’d rank it right up there with defensive metrics, the starting rotation for the Lake County Captains and The Office.
I have my suspicions that there may be other dimwitted people here, but we deal with them in a more forgiving manner.
Sidles towards door.
I have my suspicions that there may be other dimwitted people here, but we deal with them in a more forgiving manner.
Sidles towards door.
Well, that was appropriate.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jul 30, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Which doesn’t matter. The fact that he espouses a viewpoint doesn’t mean we have to respect it or the manner in which it was delivered. He was wrong, illogical, and unintelligent. We don’t have to value his opinion just because he proffered it. Public derision is the price to pay for public ignorance.
No, you’re right, you don’t hafta respect the viewpoint, but you do hafta respect him or any other blogger here. It’s common courtesy, without it we stoop to that paradigm of ill-manners, cleveland.com.
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
The key to this post’s authenticity is Casey Black. Well played.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Jul 29, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Am I the only one who thinks this is Andrew’s undercover, onion-esque ironic post?
by supersizeme on Jul 29, 2010 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
let me add brilliant in there. It’s just too good to be real.
by supersizeme on Jul 29, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
All we had to do to get Westbrook here for a while was trade for a skinny guy and tear his arm out of its socket?
by westbrook on Jul 29, 2010 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1 still chuckling
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Jul 29, 2010 2:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Makes me think of the Billy Madison quote:
Mr. Madison, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic. - Robert S. Wieder
Who did we receive Rosario for again?
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Jul 29, 2010 2:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks – I was trying to recall who we gave up for Rosario – all of those Seattle trades and trying to keep track of who we gave up for who can be a bit challenging when you’re attempting to recall it from memory. :-)
The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.
I’ll always remember Jhonny Peralta as the guy who got picked off at first base with the bases loaded against the Yankees.
:-(
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin
by Spidey on Jul 29, 2010 5:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
On the drive to teach tonight I was listening to WTAM during the rain delay and they were talking about the Peralta trade. Everyone was calling in to say how happy they were that Peralta was gone, but one guy was really off the deep end. He said he was happy to see him go because Peralta’s coming to Cleveland started the downfall of the team. Obviously he forgot 2005 and 2007.
That fan didn’t remember relatively recent history too well – how quickly he forgot 2005 and 2007, when Peralta had very solid years, the Indians won over 90 games both years, and years when the Indians should have made the playoffs (did in 2007, and would have in 2005 if not for a horrendous final week of the season).
The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.
Good trade. I don’t care how skinny the guy is, he’s doing better at low-A at 19 than any pitcher we’ve had since Fausto. With a much better K-rate, btw.
The guy is the third-youngest pitcher in the MWL. Tyler Skaggs is a little bit younger, with stats worse than Soto. So Jhonny Peralta = Dan Haren – Joe Saunders.
this math checks out.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Jul 29, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
For wondering if we could even trade Peralta, I think the trade was a very solid one indeed.
Little peculiar note: The West Michigan Whitecaps (DET’s Low-A team) was at Eastlake to take on the Lake County Captains (our Low-A team, as we likely all know), so all Soto had to do was go from one side of Classic Park to the other, much like Ricardo Rincon did when we traded him to Oakland all of those years ago when we were out in Oakland.
The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.
You see how they not only got rid of the fat guy, they swapped him for a morbidly skinny guy!
by Jay on Jul 29, 2010 6:57 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
All the “morbidly skinny” stuff has got me worried. I’m a shade under 6’1" and weigh about 147. I might need to hang out with my Italian aunts more often.
Il faut d'abord durer.
No need. Eat three Double Downs a day for as long as you can tolerate it. If you last more than two weeks, you should add 20 pounds of muscle.
a double down is healthier than a Big Mac (except for sodium content). Think about it, its like getting two dollar menu chicken sandwiches, minus bread. Looks and sounds like something that would kill you? yeah, but its not actually as bad as it looks and sounds.
as far as height/weight, I knew a kid in high school that was 6-3 and wrestled at 145lbs.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Jul 29, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
can’t defend that, It’s a ton of salt. Then again, so is anything you get at KFC.
Interesting Fact: the grilled double down has more salt than the fried version.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Jul 29, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I love that this is at least the third time we’ve had an extended conversation about the double-down.
by dgcambridge on Jul 29, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re also a triathlete. I think you’ll live.
by supermarioelia on Jul 29, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
And I’m just kidding, odradek. Wish I didn’t have to add this tag, but it couldn’t hurt in this thread.
Steel Nick
I know you’re kidding. As am I. It’s amusing how Jhonny got the tag as fat and lazy, when in fact he’s one of a small select group of athletes.
If there was ever a sport that allowed you to be fat and lazy, baseball is it.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Jul 29, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
John Kruk, I think?
Guess it doesn’t matter. It fits for either of them. I wonder if Kruk’s new go-to is, “I’m not an athlete, I’m a journalist.”
Before taking Pro-Acta, please consult your doctor. Do not taunt Pro-Acta.
And Ernie’s age 24 season was most comparable to… Yogi Berra?
I guess Rizzuto was blocking Yogi at shortstop. Holy cow!
by YoDaddyWags on Jul 29, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wow. I remember when Peter Gammons picked Peralta as his AL MVP before the ‘06 season. How far he’s fallen.
by Buckeye Brad on Jul 29, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Jhonny ghot a bhad rhap. Ok I got that out of my system.
Sure he was frustrating to us at times, a lot of the time. He was an Indian the whole way though. He deserves as much respect from us as Victor got. There’s no denying he always worked his ass off for us.
I’ll miss you, JP. #2.
Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!
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by Andrew Tolliver on Jul 29, 2010 10:55 AM EDT reply actions
eh, it wouldn’t be that hard to deny. Not saying its true, but the case could be made.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Jul 29, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Castro has the remaining details on the Jhonny trade and, unsurprisingly, we’re paying all of the remainder of Peralta’s salary for the year. The Tigers get a player for free and we bought ourselves a projectable pitcher, almost a “draft and follow” type (from the old draft days). Pretty good deal for all concerned, and I wish Jhonny all the best as he auditions for next year.
Now comes the interesting part. From the article it seems Marte will be splitting time with Nix at some point, at third base, in what I guess is sort of an audition for 2011 utility infielder. Nix should be well ahead in that race, since he can play so many more positions, but you never know. The big question, when is Jared Goedert going to start getting some big league AB’s is not yet answered but Shapiro promises all will be made clear “in a few days”. I bet that doesn’t include Goedert, but who knows….
I would like to see Marte get that month of at bats that went to a lesser extent last year.
by stuart dean on Jul 29, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
In the mix with Nix.
On the radio, Shapiro was talking about Goedert, something about guys in the minors who have forced their way up with their performance. I do think we’ll see Goedert this year. I wouldn’t be surprised if any of the three win the job at 3rd.
by dgcambridge on Jul 29, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Let’s see – a month with Marte. Here are Andy’s OPS for any month in which he received at least 40 major league PA, from 2005-2010:
600, 684, 795, 681, 643, 674, 610, 802, 571.
It doesn’t really mean anything, I just wanted to see if he’d ever taken the bull by the horns.
by dgcambridge on Jul 29, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
You realize that 40 at bats is the equivalent of starting 10 games in a 28-game month, right, or about 36% of potential at-bats? Up your standards to 80 at bats if you can find such a month and I might give these numbers some credence.
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by woodsmeister on Jul 29, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Better. Two of those months are actually pretty good.
I am annoyed by people pretending that Marte has had anything approaching a chance to contribute to the team and cherrypick stats to make their dubious case.
"Facebook is bad news. It and Jason Donald both crush dreams." - JRontherim
by woodsmeister on Jul 29, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m uncertain if he’ll really get a full run of at-bats even now, but it would probably help if he got off to a strong start.
I’m certainly in the camp that he’s never gotten a full uninterrupted shot. But one would have to do some serious "cherrypick"ing to find success in his short stints.
It would be fantastic if he turns out to be a good player for us. But I don’t have a strong preference among this group. Someone please be good.
It’s probably most telling that in all the time Marte has been with the team that he only had four months where he got more than 80 at bats.
"Facebook is bad news. It and Jason Donald both crush dreams." - JRontherim
by woodsmeister on Jul 29, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
one would have to do some serious "cherrypick"ing to find success in his short stints.
True but he tore up AAA last year and has not received a serious string of bats since. Is Marte the answer? No but I can’t believe that a $hitty team can’t afford to give him a chance to prove that he’s not at least a partial reply…
If only the Indians had more hitty dollars. Maybe then they could extend Choo.
by Logodaedalus on Jul 29, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
If onlythe Indians had more hitty dollarsChoo’s agent weren’t Scott Boras. Maybe then they could extend Choo.
Fixed
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by woodsmeister on Jul 29, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
It seems that several coaches and front office people have “passed” on him. Atlanta and Boston traded him away (granted, Boston never had him in uniform) and two managers are not motivated to give him a lot of playing time. At some point, we have to trust the knowledge and intuition of these people over the numbers.
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin
by Spidey on Jul 29, 2010 5:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
At some point, we have to trust the knowledge and intuition of these people over the numbers.
It’s probably just me, but I find it ironic that you would say this and have that quote from Darwin as your sig line.
Come on, four billion!
Yeah, because John Schuerholz, Boston front office, and the Cleveland front office are universally regarded to be a bunch of saps. Boston and Cleveland generally make it a point not to pay attention to statistics, instead relying on their gut instincts. They probably don’t even realize that Andy’s numbers should be amplified considering his age and level.
I’m glad to hear that, because while it would make sense to get Goedert some exposure when rosters expand it also makes sense too give Marte/Nix/Valbuena the time. This having lots of options stuff is going to be stressful on Manny (who is really outstanding at refusing to be stressed).
by MTF on Jul 29, 2010 1:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
We play at Detroit the weekend of August 20th, then finish the season at home against them.
Steel Nick
It would be nice to hear Jhonny go off on some anti-Wedge rant before that first Detroit series. One that puts Brandon Phillips to shame. Let it out, big guy.
Steel Nick
I show up at ballpark and see old man managing my team and I said “Where’s Wedge?” They told me he was unemployed, and I said "Hallelujah, that [redacted]er showed up every day and did the same thing every day—just like I do—except his [redacted] was [redacted]ing dumb.
by westbrook on Jul 29, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Jhonny’s departure calls for the resurrection of this classic from Andrew’s Missives from the Future.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Jul 29, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Castrovince and Hoynes reporting that Nix will be primary third baseman with Marte as the backup according to Acta
"Facebook is bad news. It and Jason Donald both crush dreams." - JRontherim
can I rec a redacted post?
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Jul 29, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Hah, perfect.
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Jul 30, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Gotta be kidding me. Listen, I’m as down on Andy now as I’ve ever been, but not giving him a legit shot at starting for at least the next month….LUNACY.
by supermarioelia on Jul 29, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Acta is just not a Marte fan, I guess. But after all those times where Marte was passed over and relegated to backup, to give him the starting role this next month, and let’s say he tears the cover off the ball, would just tantalize us anyway. He’s got no shot of sticking around here in any case… Right? Or is 2011’s thirdbase role actually wide open right now?
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Jul 29, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Marte’s ship has sailed in terms of him being a starter at the ML level. He’s really no more than a backup/depth option off of the bench.
This is not entirely Andy’s fault, as he’s had limited chances, but never really exploded with any limited chance he did have. If Marte could have had a torrid streak right off the bat, he could have maybe forced the issue, even with Wedge. However, Marte’s swing seems pretty long and he seems a bit hesitant at the plate, maybe partly due to his limited playing time, which makes me wonder if he can even fill a backup/depth option role. He might be limited to being a defensive specialist (though I question whether his defense is really that good – I think he’s above-average, but if he played a full season, disregarding how good or bad he’d be offensively, would he really win a Gold Glove at 3B or even be in the top 2 or three? I doubt it, partly because he seems to make errors that stem from a lack of concentration and focus, whether it would be booting a ball that a decent 3B would make or making a bad throw on a play where he should have probably not made a throw, etc.)
Case in point, Marte is no longer a premium starting prospect, so expecting him to get a legitimate chance now to prove that he could be a starter really shouldn’t be expected. The first chance is Goedert’s, and he’s likely only holding the fort until Chisenhall is ready, then you either find another spot for Goedert if he can prove he can hit at a quality level (DH, maybe OF, maybe 1B – not sure) or trade him if he can net you a useful piece or two.
The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.
"The first chance is Goedert’s, and he’s likely only holding the fort until Chisenhall is ready,"
Unless Goedert will simply be the new Marte.
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Jul 29, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Can he pitch?
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by woodsmeister on Jul 30, 2010 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Marte’s ship has sailed in terms of him being a starter at the ML level.
Starter, maybe. But reliever?
by Logodaedalus on Jul 30, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
+1
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Jul 30, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Is Goedert that much different than Marte? Once an exciting prospect, derailed seriously for reasons not 100% specified, riding back to prominence on the back of a 1/2 season AAA hot streak? Yeah, those all sound pretty familiar. He’s not that much younger than Marte, right?
Come on, four billion!
2 years younger.
"Facebook is bad news. It and Jason Donald both crush dreams." - JRontherim
by woodsmeister on Jul 30, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Goedert has never, ever been an exciting prospect on a level with Marte. Not even remotely close. Goedert is a guy who at 22 beat up on 19-year-old pitching for three months, three years ago. That was his entire list of accomplishments up until 75 days ago. Marte is a guy who reached Triple-A and was a very good player there at age 21, as one of the youngest guys in the entire league. One of these two things is very rare and the other is excruciatingly commonplace.
Actually giving Andy another shot is what’s LUNACY. It’s like what Doc Holliday said about Johnny Ringo in “Tombstone” right after he killed him – “he was just too high strung”.
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
1) Marte has struck me as a lot of things, but never high strung.
2) Is Acta Doc Holliday in this analogy? If so, does that make Shapiro Wyatt Earp and Antonetti Bat Masterson?
Come on, four billion!
First pitch Marte and now you want Masterson to hit?
"I spoil a lot of people with my play." -Lebron James
by Roger Dorn on Jul 30, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nah, Kurt Russell was Wyatt in “Tombstone” Bat Masterson, the character, wasn’t in “Tombstone”. You’re thinkinng of Tom Sizemore’s character in “Wyatt Earp”. Different movies. BTW I think that Dennis Quaid was much, much better as Doc Holliday than Val Kilmer.
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
Lies.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jul 30, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
“The first chance is Goedert’s, and he’s likely only holding the fort until Chisenhall is ready,”
Unless Goedert will simply be the new Marte.
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Jul 29, 2010 10:58 PM EDT reply actions
reply fail.
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Jul 29, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
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