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Game 102: Yankees 11, Indians 4


Fausto Carmona's short outing yesterday essentially cost the Indians a chance of staying in this game. A day after the Indians' bullpen pitched 6.1 innings, Mitch Talbot had to leave in the third with a muscle strain in his back. The Indians are classifying Talbot's status as day-to-day, but the injury was a crushing blow to the team's chances not only in this game, but will have lingering effects in this weekend's series in Toronto.

Because Hector Ambriz and Jess Todd had gone multiple innings the night before, Rafael Perez relieved Talbot in the third. Perez got the Indians through two innings, then handed the ball to Frank Herrmann. Up to this point, the Yankees had threatened to blow the game open almost every inning, only to be denied. Frankly, it was amazing that the Indians were still in this game by the time the sixth inning started. Tony Sipp was brought on to stem yet another New York rally, and got Gardner and Curtis. Next up was Derek Jeter, and with a base open and Curtis Granderson on deck, it seemed a perfect time to pass on Jeter in favor of the left-on-left matchup. But Acta opted to have Sipp pitch to Jeter, and the move backfired when Sipp threw a pitch over the middle of the plate; Jeter singled home the go-ahead run, making the score 2-1.

To this point, the Indians had gotten away with using their relievers in either unaccustomed roles or unaccustomed lengths of outs. Sipp. who had made a lot of pitches to get out of the sixth, did retire the first two batters of the seventh, and matched up against Robinson Cano. Cano turned on a Sipp offering and hit it out of the park. That seemed to exhaust Sipp's last bit of energy, for he walked the next two batters and was pulled in favor of Joe Smith, who would get the Indians out of the inning, but not before allowing six more runs to score.

Jess Todd would barely get out of the eighth, having surrendered two runs. He'd thrown two innings the night before, and was obviously gassed. That left Hector Ambriz, who had thrown 40 pitches the night before, and closer Chris Perez, who had thrown in three of the four previous games. Manny Acta made a decision that managers never like to make; he called on a position player to pitch the ninth. His choice? Andy Marte, who had earlier than night "lost out" on the third base job to Jayson Nix. Now by this time the Yankees had emptied their bench, and wasn't exactly concentrating on the top of the ninth, but Marte retired the Yankees in order, including Nick Swisher on a strike out. Marte actually looked like a pitcher, and threw his fastball in the mid-80s. Marte was the first Indians position player to pitch in a game since 2004, when Tim Laker took one for the team during a game against Kansas City.

Perhaps buoyed by that bit of levity, the Indians would scored three runs in the bottom of the ninth off Chan Ho Park, and if Luis Valbuena had managed to hit a three-run homer, would have made the game interesting. But there were no miracles in store tonight, and the Indians will head to Toronto praying that their starters this weekend can go at least six innings to avoid a long-term problem. And that's assuming Jess Todd will be swapped out for a fresh arm between now and tomorrow night.

Oh, yeah...in the midst of all that offense, Alex Rodriguez failed to hit his 600th home run.

 

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Highest WPA Lowest WPA
Rafael Perez .112 Tony Sipp -.193
Asdrubal Cabrera .074 Joe Smith -.185
Frank Hermann .038 Shin-Soo Choo -.122

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Tonight, I too failed to hit my 600th home run.

by odradek on Jul 30, 2010 12:43 AM EDT reply actions  

I’ve contacted ESPN about the possibility of a 1-hour television special to announce that I’m taking my 600th home run to South Beach.

"Facebook is bad news. It and Jason Donald both crush dreams." - JRontherim

by woodsmeister on Jul 30, 2010 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Andy Marte 1B/3B/RP? Why not?

by The Grimace on Jul 30, 2010 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Andy Marte 1B/3B/RP/C (ceremonial first pitches). Also D (dominoes).

"Facebook is bad news. It and Jason Donald both crush dreams." - JRontherim

by woodsmeister on Jul 30, 2010 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Wow.

We are all witnesses... to a traitor.

by emily522 on Jul 30, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

he was only 1-3 for first pitch strikes, needs to improve that.

I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.

by notthatnoise on Jul 30, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

So after he got warmed up a little, he was sitting more comfortably in the Sowers range of fastball velocity?

Maybe he planned that sloping effect to throw off the hitters. Just as they get accustomed to the fastball, he increases its speed with each at bat. Imagine if he came out for another inning…

In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).

by V-Mart Shopper on Jul 30, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I bailed on a game that ANDY MARTE pitched in? Real life sucks.

Based on the game thread, Andy BARELY threw slower than Jensen Lewis circa-2008.

by JRontherim on Jul 30, 2010 3:56 AM EDT reply actions  

and throws faster than Laffey

by Roger Dorn on Jul 30, 2010 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was at a bar last night. My reaction when I looked across the room to see Andy Marte throwing pitches was… The other bar patrons were probably well entertained.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Jul 30, 2010 9:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Well, nobody can say he doesn’t rise to the opportunity anymore.

by Jay on Jul 30, 2010 11:04 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

how daring

"I spoil a lot of people with my play." -Lebron James

by Roger Dorn on Jul 30, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lost in all this is another embarassing performance by the Tribe hitters.

by dgcambridge on Jul 30, 2010 11:41 AM EDT reply actions  

I’m thinking Marte could be a kind of reverse Rick Ankiel reclamation project, now.

"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter

by Denver Tribe Fan on Jul 30, 2010 11:57 AM EDT reply actions  

MLB precedent: Brooks Kieschnick. .220/.297/.405 in about 200 PA over four seasons. Then spent a year in AAA, compiling a 2.59 ERA over 31 IP. Came back to the majors as a pitcher, throwing 96 IP over two seasons, with a 4.59 ERA. Kind of a mediocre reliever, but he did have a .870 OPS as a pitcher.

Not that I think Marte should become a pitcher.

by FredOx on Jul 30, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would probably be a better strategy for an NL player.

"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter

by Denver Tribe Fan on Jul 30, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let’s reach back a little further, how about Raffie Betancourt? or, for Tribe fans that have been Tribe fans so long they’re dead, Bob Lemon? It’s been done before.

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by mauichuck on Jul 30, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know a guy who’s been a fan since 1957.
Too soon?

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by Ockus_NYC on Jul 30, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

With Marte around with mid-80’s heat with movement on the black, I’m convinced we should have an 11 man staff.

by cheech99 on Jul 30, 2010 1:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Josh Rodriguez with 2 HR last night for Columbus, and Alex White struck out 8 in 5.1 innings for Akron.

Mahoning Valley had 2 hits last night.

In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).

by V-Mart Shopper on Jul 30, 2010 2:14 PM EDT reply actions  

That’s what I like to hear. Gimme those k’s.

by jhon on Jul 30, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

If it were that simple Sam McDowelle would be in the HoF.

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by mauichuck on Jul 30, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Having Ks, as you point out, doesn’t guarantee future success, but not having them sure goes a lot farther towards a guarantee of future failure.

Come on, four billion!

by Joel D on Jul 30, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

But then there’s always guys like this who’s a first round ballot shoo-in.

Resident LGT results-oriented boob.

by mauichuck on Jul 30, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would submit that Maddux was an exterme outlier. Successful pitchers with good strikeout numbers are more common, and good K numbers in the minors more often portend major league success.

Come on, four billion!

by Joel D on Jul 30, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I would submit that the Indians hafta find the outliers, since it’s so easy to identify the strike out guys. These are the guys that are gone early in the draft – big money – or signed for big dollars from the Latin clubs.

This is the jist of how the Indians hafta be smarter and work harder than the Yankees and Red Sox of the world. Any idiot – like Cashman – can read a stat sheet and see who has the highest K/9 stat. What the Tribe’s FO hasta do is find those hidden gems with 6.2K/9 inning guys who can pitch.

Resident LGT results-oriented boob.

by mauichuck on Jul 30, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I would submit that the Indians hafta find the outliers,

This is probably a valid point, but

Any idiot – like Cashman – can read a stat sheet and see who has the highest K/9 stat. What the Tribe’s FO hasta do is find those hidden gems with 6.2K/9 inning guys who can pitch.

feels like saying that any idiot can read a stat sheet and see who has the most HR, so the Tribe needs to find guys who slug .400 in the minors but can hit.

In other words, you’re throwing out the future-success-is-hinted-at-by-a-high-K/9 baby with the Maddux-like-outlier bath water. The hope that some low K/9 could become successful doesn’t mean we should keep stockpiling the high K/9 guys who are more likely to succeed.

Come on, four billion!

by Joel D on Jul 30, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

The three true outcome predictors for a pitcher are strikeouts, walks, and home runs. Maddux had four different seasons with a K/BB better than six. Six! He also never gave up home runs.

So no, Maddux is no outlier. Any idiot — like Cashman — could look at his K/BB rates and home run rates and say that this is one of the best pitchers in the game.

by Chemo on Jul 30, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

So I guess it’s hopeless, since discoverying a potentially great pitcher is little more than “analyzing” three stats.

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by mauichuck on Jul 30, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Obviously that’s not so. I think the trick is in identifying a good player before they’re putting up 8-strikeout games in AA, because at that point everybody knows he’s good. I’m simply responding to the fact that you were turning up your nose at people excited by K’s.

by Chemo on Jul 31, 2010 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not exactly “turning up my nose”. What I’m saying is that you’ve reduced discovering a great pitcher to obsurdity. Plenty – plenty – of high strike-out pithchers get shelled in the Majors. Hell, look at Wood. Great pitcher to 5 outta 6 batters, the problem is that sixth guy keeps taggin’ him for that XBH.

The point is, if it were’ this easy to pick out a potential ML star even I could do it.

Resident LGT results-oriented boob.

by mauichuck on Jul 31, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

What are you talking about? Nobody is saying that strikeouts are the only things that matter. Jhon said “Gimme those Ks” and you decided to start an argument about nothing.

by Chemo on Jul 31, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not all high-K guys are the same, and that’s where the evaluation comes in. I don’t think you can go around K rates and expect more than an occasional, low-end type of success. You do have to go beyond K rates, though.

by Jay on Jul 31, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

He’s a k/9 outlier is, I believe, the point. He didn’t win by racking up the 15k games.

by Brad D on Jul 30, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maddux pitched in 15,000 games??

by Logodaedalus on Jul 31, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well yeah. How else would he get all the winzzz?

by Brad D on Jul 31, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Olney and Lastoria tweeting about some movement on the Westbrook front.

http://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN

by cheech99 on Jul 30, 2010 3:29 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m at work and can’t access Twitter. Can you summarize?

Come on, four billion!

by Joel D on Jul 30, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

‘Olney "The Indians are getting significant hits on Westbrook and are sorting through things. STL a fit? We’ll see."

by cheech99 on Jul 30, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks. Maybe we can get Pujols.

Come on, four billion!

by Joel D on Jul 30, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

We would probably have to include Hafner.

by DuffBeer on Jul 30, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Or Shelley Duncan.

by odradek on Jul 30, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah, not worth it.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Jul 31, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hope this isn’t where we got the 40-man Germano spot from.

by westbrook on Jul 30, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

How quickly jhonny is forgotten

by Brick. on Jul 30, 2010 4:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I’ve always wondered why they call it an “inverted W” rather than just calling it an “M.”

I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.

by notthatnoise on Jul 30, 2010 3:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Sounds more like insider knowledge that way.

Come on, four billion!

by Joel D on Jul 30, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

It has to allude to ‘the W,’ the most important pitching stat.

In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).

by V-Mart Shopper on Aug 1, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

You know what I gotta out this series? We’ve got an awful lot of work to do if we’re gonna catch up with the Yankees.

Resident LGT results-oriented boob.

by mauichuck on Jul 30, 2010 3:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, about $150 million worth of work.

Come on, four billion!

by Joel D on Jul 30, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

We hafta stop using that excuse. We’ll never, ever catch the Big Revenue clubs in income. If you truly believe that we can’t over come the money gap – like San Diego and Tampa – then you hafta believe that we’ll never win another WS. I refuse to believe this.

Resident LGT results-oriented boob.

by mauichuck on Jul 30, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s not an excuse, it’s reality. Anyway, I think you misunderstand me. We’re obviously not going to catch the big revenue clubs on income, so we have to find a way to do $150 million dollars worth of work for significantly less than that. So we buy out arbitrations, trade older guys for several younger guys, and try to draft and develop cheap talent. You and I obviously both believe we can do this, or else we’re just here to hurt ourselves. It’s the DOLAN IS CHEEP! crowd that thinks spending $150 million is the only way to get $150 million worth of services.

Come on, four billion!

by Joel D on Jul 30, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think San Diego would love to be more like the Tribe if we are looking at a larger sample of years.

"I spoil a lot of people with my play." -Lebron James

by Roger Dorn on Jul 30, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looked like two teams from different leagues.

by odradek on Jul 30, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

not till we pass the royals first!!!!

by Brick. on Jul 30, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rosenthal Tweet – Indians know they can move Westbrook. Only question is, will they get right price? Momentum building, as if on cue, 24 hours out.

by cheech99 on Jul 30, 2010 4:36 PM EDT reply actions  

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