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He's having a breakout year. You always want to have some real pleasant surprises in the Minors. He's certainly been an overwhelming surprise of this year. He's been a prospect at times, but injuries have kind of prevented him from getting consistent playing time. It's certainly a breakout year for him offensively. Going forward, his defense is going to need to improve, particularly with us and where we are with our sinkerballers in rotation. But he's put himself on the map and is firmly on our radar.

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Seems like a bit of a double standard since we have had no problem throwing out other bad defensive infielders with our groundball rotation.

by Roger Dorn on Jul 9, 2010 4:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I don’t think it’s a double standard, I think it’s the gap between what this front office says and how it behaves. I think there’s growing evidence of a gap between the two.

by NickFantana on Jul 9, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Keeping Peralta in there this year isn’t about defense. It’s about trying to salvage a return. If Peralta is not dealt in July, I bet he finds himself benched a lot in favor of Marte in the second half.

Branyan was about offense and defense. Kearns was kept over Duncan at the start of the year for defense, and would have been even if Duncan wouldn’t have been hurt in the spring. Asdrubal was at SS. Grudz was brought on to hit lefties and play defense, though his defense ability went out the window (and so did Grudz).

The change can’t be instantaneous. But it’s happening. That’s why you have Nix over Josh Rodriguez. That’s why Anderson Hernandez is still here.

by xrickx on Jul 9, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn’t you read? Nix over Josh Rodriguez was part of a diabolical plot to demoralize all our prospects….

by stuart dean on Jul 9, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have been wondering about this a lot lately…

by stuart dean on Jul 9, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think you have to have the same standard for the guys you’re developing now and the guys who’ve been in the majors for five years. We’ve got Peralta; the next guy has to be better at this than Peralta.

I do wonder why defense didn’t become a huge priority three or four years ago, when the sinkerball emergence because really obvious. Once we ended 2007 with Westbrook, Carmona and Laffey in the rotation, was it really so hard to foresee this?

by Jay on Jul 9, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right and, as a corollary, I don’t see why the FO hasn’t been more motivated to move Peralta over the past few years, as his range has proven to be more and more of a liability.

by NickFantana on Jul 9, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Obviously, it took a lot of time to compile data, study it, and come to an irrefutable conclusion.

by odradek on Jul 10, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seems to me that this was a case where coming up with a ballpark figure on the back of a napkin should have sufficed. The top executives and analysts are forced to make due with inadequate data all the time. It takes brains and stones.

by Jay on Jul 11, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the FO has recently made some important infield defense/groundball staff correlations.

by YoDaddyWags on Jul 9, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

This, absolutely this.

Must not be here for baseball either. Because that isn't what we're playing.

by westbrook on Jul 9, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

But weren’t we making the same correlations in 2007, as Jay noted above? And, in our noting, also giving the FO credit for making the same correlations?

by NickFantana on Jul 9, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think they felt they didn’t have the horses. If you move Peralta too soon, who’s your second baseman? Not Josh Rodriguez, not Josh Barfield.

by Jay on Jul 9, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Obviously it’s Cord Phelps. What more does the young man have to do?

In seriousness, I understand your point, but it’s also true that they would have added value in a Peralta deal. Theoretically, they could have leveraged Peralta into a reliable left fielder and then played the revolving door game with second base rather than left field over the past few years.

by NickFantana on Jul 9, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Jay’s saying in 2007 the defensive guys weren’t there

by APV on Jul 9, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right, but my point is they’ve added Nix and Hernandez this year easily. I see Nix and Hernandez as producing the equivalent of Dellucci and Michaels, so maybe you trade Peralta for a left fielder, or a better third baseman, and play the waiver wire for a second baseman, or sign a better defensive one for the money you’re saving on Peralta.

by NickFantana on Jul 9, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re being much, much too pessimistic. Nix – to my eyes at least – is a better bat than either Dellucci or Michaels. And he’s a plus defender, while Delucci – ah you know. I still don’t know what to make of Hernandez. His upside might be Jerry Dybzinski.

But I think Nix – unlike Delucci and Michaels – is more than just “filler”. Hernandez on the other hand looks like a career AAA player who got a break.

Resident LGT results-oriented boob.

by mauichuck on Jul 9, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nix – to my eyes at least – is a better bat than either Dellucci or Michaels.

Both hindsight and SSS working overtime on this.

by Jay on Jul 11, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looks like CH Chen had his first Carolina League HR last night. And Greenwell is doing just fine there also. I like it.

by dgcambridge on Jul 10, 2010 9:06 AM EDT reply actions  

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