Game 113: Orioles 14, Indians 8
by Brick. on Aug 10, 2010 10:11 PM EDT
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PrintFor the first time through the lineup, Justin Masterson appeared to have a clear game plan - to work the Orioles seven left handed hitters away. Brian Roberts started off by dinking a single into left and the rest of the lineup played into Masterson’s hands, making weak contact, mostly to the right side on the ground and Masterson was cruising through three innings. The second time through the lineup, Masterson’s outside pitches seemed to either miss the plate, catch too much of the plate, or get taken the other way by Baltimore hitters. Next thing you knew, the Orioles plated four runs in the inning. It could have been worse if not for an amazing play by Asdrubal on a hard shot up the middle by Felix Pie that bounced off of Masterson’s foot and caromed towards a charging Cabrera, who stuck his bare hand out as he slid the other direction to a stop and held the runner at third before throwing out Pie from his butt, seemingly all in one motion.
For the first time through the lineup, Jake Arrieta appeared to have a clear game plan - to throw lots of strikes to the Indians hitters. Arrieta threw four pitches for balls to the Indians first nine hitters. Arrieta was cruising through three innings. The second time through Michael Brantley, Arrieta threw four pitches for balls. After a throwing error and an Asdrubal Cabrera single, the Indians plated a run. After the Orioles big inning, the Indians hitters had a better read on Arrieta’s offerings and started smacking low liners around the field and ignoring pitches that were missing the zone. Next thing you knew, the Indians plated five runs in the inning. It could have been worse if not for a perfectly executed relay after the 2-RBI Shin-Soo Choo double to nail Cabrera at the plate to end the inning.
After the big inning, Masterson continued to labor, actually throwing more pitches in the 5th than he did in the 4th by the time he faced Pie again, who challenged Asdrubal to figure out a way to catch his 3-run home run. Masterson left the game after 5 with the Indians trailing 7-6.
After the big inning, Arrieta re-adjusted, quickly working a 1-2-3 inning. The Indians would continue to make some solid contact off the Orioles starter, not finding the holes they did in their 5-run inning. Arrieta, going right at the Indians would last six innings before giving way to the Baltimore pen to close out the last three.
Tony Sipp worked the sixth inning, giving up a line drive home run to Corey "Yeah That One" Patterson. Frank Herrmann worked a boring 7th inning and then gave up the cycle to the first four men he faced in the 8th on six lousy pitches. Rule 5 would come in to give up yet another 3-run bomb to Luke Scott, who in one fell swoop would show Indians fans what might have been if the Tribe had only kept him for the last seven years and Arizona fans what might have been had they only traded Dan Haren sooner to open up a roster spot - two things that had about the same likelihood of happening.
Michael Brantley would hit his second homerun in junk time off of somebody named Armando Gabino to finish the scoring. Luis Valbuena got the start at third, committing an error on a hot shot right at him. Jordan Brown hit two doubles that landed in front of outfielders and never reached the wall and weren’t hit nearly as hard as two Valbuena outfield line-outs.
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Ugh. Just, ugh. Seemingly pitiful showing by the team this evening.
Anything in life is possible, except for skiing through revolving doors.
by MooneysRebellion on Aug 10, 2010 10:19 PM EDT reply actions
That was a fantastic recap.
So when do we stop making excuses for Valbuena? Genuinely curious. I guess more constructively, where is he supposed to slot in… at third at Marte and Nix’s expense the rest of the way?
7 years is a long time to wait for a 3-run homer.
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Aug 10, 2010 10:38 PM EDT reply actions
And no typos!
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Aug 11, 2010 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions
The question is, does being on recaps help Brick’s quips travel farther than if he were just, say, on caps?
Of course, since he’s usually just on lowercase, it’s hard to know.
by Logodaedalus on Aug 10, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Not just complete sentences, really long complete sentences. There’s a 71 word sentence in there. Miracles happen. Like a Jordan Brown double.
He’s approaching David Foster Wallace territory.
by JulioBernazard on Aug 11, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but tomorrow he’ll just be H.P. Lovecraft, and then Cory Doctorow.
by Logodaedalus on Aug 11, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Jordan Brown only has enough pop in his keyboard to put up a 51-word sentence.
by YoDaddyWags on Aug 11, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m sad to see there haven’t been any new LGT tweets lately.
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Aug 11, 2010 12:13 AM EDT reply actions
Oh. Enjoy!
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Aug 12, 2010 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions
J. Brown ground rule double to right
J. Brown doubled to shallow right
J. Brown doubled to shallow left center
J. Brown doubled to left
i always forget, are we supposed to look past the numbers or just at results….
anyway, obviously brown has the ability to put the ball into play. i’m just saying, right now, his “power” numbers are misleading. the first double was of the grounder over first base and touched by a fan variety and all the others were glorified bloops. i’m not saying a double isn’t a double, but right now brown reminds me of a tennis player who just finds a way to get whatever you send his way over the net somehow, waiting for you to make a mistake. however, if he can keep aiming them where they ain’t, great.
Am I expected to acknowledge, that while Brown has hit four doubles, only three of them are real doubles? Actually, I remember all of them, and yes, they were cheap. As the broadcasters sat, it looks like a rope in the box score. Pay no attention to those doubles!
Numbers or results? I don’t want to defend Brown, because I don’t really care about him, but I am amused at how people fall all over themselves to diminish him.
i think he has more like zero “real” doubles. what you call “fall all over themselves” i call “look what i happened to notice”. i watched the game and made my observations. valbuena hit some ropes and got nothing, brown flared some slap hits and got some doubles. happens all the time. i felt it was worth mentioning in this case because of all the talk about brown’s lack of power and because of all the talk about valbuena’s disappointing season. i genuinely find it amusing that brown is doing exactly what he was purported he would do with the bat despite his “Four doubles in seven games.”
Baseball truism #17 – They’re all line drives in the box score.
"If Brown is the answer, then you’re asking the wrong question." - Ryan
by woodsmeister on Aug 11, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
the first double was of the grounder over first base and touched by a fan variety and all the others were glorified bloops
Actually to be fair, the second double (Saturday) was no bloop, it was a nicely hit line drive that found the right field corner. I remember it because I was there.
It would have been a single had it been hit at an outfielder, and it doesn’t show power like a double off the wall, but it was better hit than a bloop. Just sayin’.
Sounds like my first date.
Come on, four billion!
by Joel D on Aug 11, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Did she tell you that afterwards, or could you just tell what she was thinking?
by Logodaedalus on Aug 12, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
couldn’t agree more. i’ve been trying to keep my “real” etc. in quotes. this is something i never notice if not for all the conversations about what brown is/isn’t prior to his call up. i feel like one might point at his doubles and say, HA, SEE! and i’m saying, i still see no power. i see a guy playing pepper.
Some think we could use a guy like that anyway.
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Aug 11, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
if he can keep aiming them where they ain’t, great
if it’s sustainable, fine. i just doubt that it is. i think defenses will adjust. i think pitchers will adjust.
I agree—it’s not sustainable. Pitchers will jam him. But, still, a double is a double, whether we like it or not.
i’m not trying to suggest otherwise. i’m trying to suggest doubles do not equal power, at least in his case.
Geez, Brick, it’s not like anyone is scoring them as homers!
They’re doubles! He’s credited with two bases in one at-bat! They suggest exactly as much power as that!
of course, because that should mean it’s LaPorta’s turn to hit.
by Brick. on Aug 11, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Will we have to wait 7 years?
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Aug 11, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Rod Carew had a career ISO of .101. He had 92 home runs in 2469 games. Power is not the alpha and omega of baseball.
Look at that amazing production the Tribe is getting out of the corner positions. And a bonus: out of its designated hitter.
Of course, in an optimal situation you have Barry Bonds in leftfield. In less than optimal situations you get Jason Michaels. There is no law that says you can’t play an outfielder that hits fewer than 20 homers.
Doesn’t make the crappy hybrid 1B/LF any better, just means we did a piss poor job filling the position.
"I spoil a lot of people with my play." -Lebron James
I agree. I think there is a lot of room between Bonds and Michaels (or Crowe). Brown would fit within those extremes.
By which you mean he could be worse than Crowe or Michaels. It’s not a lock, certainly, but I think he could surpass Michaels.
As an all-around player? Doubtful. Michaels was a pretty good center fielder, where Brown may not even be competent in left.
So it looks like that Chris Archer guy we gave up in the DeRosa deal is looking very good this year. That sucks.
LGT's resident moderate Yankee hating fan.
Here’s Archer’s stats. Currently in AA, will be 22 next month. Sorry I don’t know how to do the fancy one word link thing like you guys.
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=502042
It’s not that hard. You copy the link, type the one word, select it, click the little “link” button (next to the quote button) and paste in the link. Done.
if you really want to impress us, underneath the url box in the popup, check the box that says “open in new window?”. oftentimes, if it’s linking to a piece of information being discussed in a reply tree, it’s nice to have it open in a separate tab rather than having to go back/forward between the link and LGT.
You are reading my signature.
But the Tribe ended up with Pure Rage (and Jess Todd) out of that ordeal through the transitive property, right? Eases the blow a bit.
Stevens, Archer, and John Gaub the other way to the Cubs for full disclosure and here’s Gaub’s line in the Arizona rookie league at age 25. Not so good.
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=453304
Perez is a much better asset than Archer at this moment in time.
"I spoil a lot of people with my play." -Lebron James
Probably better, but if this Archer guy were in our system he might be our best pitching prospect still in the minors. At least he’s suspiciously wild.
I am starting to take a dimmer view of our future starting rotations than before. As a whole, this has not been a good year for Tribe starters throughout the system.
by jhon on Aug 11, 2010 11:03 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I just noticed that 16 unearned runs have been recorded behind Alex White, or 2 for every 3 ER. This suggests that the D has been awful, at least for his starts.
I’d take White over Archer, but it’s close enough that I’m mildly pissed.
by jhon on Aug 11, 2010 11:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
For what it’s worth, at the same age in AA Chris Perez was striking out almost 14 batters per 9 innings (Archer: 8.5) with a better K/BB. As a reliever though, so I’m probably cherry picking.
I’m very glad we have Perez.
Steel Nick
Cherry picking a lot.
Just to be clear, I am in no way saying Shapiro screwed up in either of those trades. I am merely lamenting that Archer has turned into someone very few expected.
LGT's resident moderate Yankee hating fan.
Why lament it? The very fact he was tapped as a trade target, even a minor one, indicated potential that more than one team knew about. He’s been gone two years. Bottom line, the Cubs have a decent relief prospect. In the grand scheme of things, what could matter less to an Indians fan?
Well, for one thing, he is a legitimate starting prospect.
LGT's resident moderate Yankee hating fan.
That matters a lot to me. The guy possibly could be our best pitching prospect if he had remained on the team.
LGT's resident moderate Yankee hating fan.
TINSTAAPP. And he’s simply not on our team anymore. Not a factor. I just can’t see bemoaning it. It’s one thing if the deal was a mistake, like BP’s waiver trade. Even then, it’s pointless to bemoan it. But now? We got something back, something more valuable than this. When he’s pitched 200 innings in the majors and is still there, let me know.
Jay doesn’t sleep — he has a baby. Or is he officially a toddler now? I forget.
by Logodaedalus on Aug 11, 2010 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
If you have time at some point, I’d like to read a clarification of your position on when trading prospects for a veteran is a good move, and when trading a veteran for prospects isn’t wise. (I already know that you think trading expiring contracts for kids is generally a good move.)
Some of what you have said above seems like something I would say and hence is confusing to me given the accusations of baseball card thinking you have leveled at me in the past.
Every pessimist thinks himself a realist. In the case of Cleveland sports fans, they are probably right.
If you have time at some point, I’d like to read a clarification of your position on when trading prospects for a veteran is a good move, and when trading a veteran for prospects isn’t wise.
I won’t speak for Jay, but I’d like to point out that Chris Perez and Archer were drafted in the same year. Perez doesn’t become arb-eligible until next season. He’s 24. This was not a prospects-for-veterans trade.
Steel Nick
No, no. I wasn’t considering Perez a veteran. I only meant that the
When he’s pitched 200 innings in the majors and is still there, let me know
talk seems like a concern when trading for any prospect.
Archer for DeRosa was clearly a prospects for a vet deal…one I am not sure that I like in hindsight if DeRosa had not been flipped for Perez. If this was a good trade at the time, I want to know why Jay would think so.
Every pessimist thinks himself a realist. In the case of Cleveland sports fans, they are probably right.
You trade for vets when you’re looking to contend and need that piece. DeRosa was supposed to fill a hole.
You trade vets for prospects when you’re building for the future.
Steel Nick
That’s basically it.
If you make the playoffs and DeRosa helped, you have to consider it a success. The way it turned out also wasn’t awful, because we were able to flip DeRosa, I would say at a nice profit.
The big loss is when you come close to the playoffs and don’t quite make it, but you have to take those risks sometimes.
your position on when trading prospects for a veteran is a good move
When you have a clear need for that particular veteran, and when that particular veteran is the best player you can acquire to fill that need at reasonable cost. At the time of the DeRosa trade, many of us noted that we essentially preferred to pay in prospects rather than sign Casey Blake to a three-year deal for a lot more money. Were those prospects worth less than the extra $12 million (etc.)? At the time, I think you have to say yes.
and when trading a veteran for prospects isn’t wise.
Again, when you have a clear need for that particular veteran, and you have him under contract for the period in which you will actually need him, and when keeping him is the best option at reasonable cost.
This is essentially the argument for not trading Carmona. We have him under control for three more years, at very reasonable cost and very low risk, and unquestionably we’ll need a starter over that period, and what other starter (that we conceivably can afford) is going to be cheaper or less risky?
We are on the same page. To me these are non-controversial positions.
Another question then:
Is there ever a payoff so low in terms of risk, limited upside, or length of time it would take for a prospect to get to the bigs, that it would make a trade for a veteran’s expiring contract a bad deal, even if the team is rebuilding? That is: can any deal be so bad that for a losing team it is still a better idea to hold on to a guy in his walk year?
Every pessimist thinks himself a realist. In the case of Cleveland sports fans, they are probably right.
I am not saying Perez will have a better career, but with pitchers it’d be foolish to not to go for the successful guy already in the majors.
"I spoil a lot of people with my play." -Lebron James
Meanwhile, Jason Knapp was roughed up in the Arizona League yesterday.
by ken from alexandria on Aug 11, 2010 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions
When did we get rid of Andy Marte?
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Aug 11, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Without even a tweet from LGT?!
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Aug 11, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
No takers, huh? Ah well. Thought it could induce at least a humorous quip or two.
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Aug 11, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
BP Prospect Roundup: Gio Urshela, 3B, Indians (Short-Season Mahoning Valley): 3-for-4, 2B, 2 R, RBI
Chances are good you’ve never heard of Urshela, but it’s time to change that. Signed out of Columbia for $300,000, the 18-year-old has been more than holding his own of late against the more advanced competition of the New York-Penn League, going 16-for-32 in his last seven games to raise his season average to .301/.335/.398 while also flashing outstanding glove work on the hot corner. Right now, he’s a nice sleeper in the Indians system, but he has plenty of time to make his case for the actual prospect list in the offseason.
Valbie with an error, for good measure.
by JulioBernazard on Aug 11, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m enjoying adopting the Cardinals for a series/aftenroon and rooting against BP.
You are reading my signature.
Rooting against BP is also a lot of fun. What a piece of work this guy is. I can see him evolving into the next Sheffield. I don’t know that he’s ever expelled as much pure hatred and vitriol as Sheffield has, but he’s young(ish).
Sheff is CLEARly the CREAM of the crop.
by JulioBernazard on Aug 11, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, I keep reading that he’s responsible for a bunch of environmental destruction in the Gulf. There’s just no telling what he’s going to do next!
by Logodaedalus on Aug 11, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
You made me laugh.
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Aug 11, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I get a kick out of BP. Funny guy.
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Aug 11, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
LaPorta was dropped to sixth in the lineup with Duncan and Brown 4th and 5th. This, I don’t get. We installed Santana in the 3/4 spot permanently and Brantley has gotten a ton of time at leadoff.
Gimenez catching, Nix at 2B, Valbuena at 3B. I was really considering going to the game tonight but now I’m not sure I care to see this lineup one bit.
Steel Nick
Also!
RHP Jess Todd recalled from AAA Columbus…David Huff optioned to Columbus…Talbot starting Sat vs. SEA. Reyes starts tonight for AA Akron
Bart Swain
Steel Nick
Somewhere around Lodi, trying to figure out whether to go North or South.
'If I'm not here, 'I'll be somewhere else.'' Andy Marte
by peter m on Aug 11, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Grandpa’s Cheese Barn.
"If Brown is the answer, then you’re asking the wrong question." - Ryan
by woodsmeister on Aug 11, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Brown is just being sandwiched in between our resemblance of power hitting righties. I wouldn’t get up in arms about him batting in front of LaPorta.
"I spoil a lot of people with my play." -Lebron James
You could quibble just as much about batting LaPorta 4th and Duncan 6th. I wouldn’t be upset about Brown getting one more AB than Duncan.
"I spoil a lot of people with my play." -Lebron James
Shelly Duncan is second on the active roster with OPS of .810 (OPS+ of 124), behind only Choo.
"If Brown is the answer, then you’re asking the wrong question." - Ryan
by woodsmeister on Aug 11, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I do. And I think you know what point I was making as well, so we’re now all on the same page.
"If Brown is the answer, then you’re asking the wrong question." - Ryan
by woodsmeister on Aug 12, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
It hasn’t reached Wedge-like levels of frustration yet, but I would like to see something approximating an everyday line-up now and leave try-outs for September.
Every pessimist thinks himself a realist. In the case of Cleveland sports fans, they are probably right.
I think it may be a sign that they’ve given up on Valbuena as an option for our future starting second baseman. They want him to practice being a utility guy.
Steel Nick
Agreed, but shouldn’t utility guy practice come off the bench in games that are essentially already over?
I just think that it should be Marte almost everyday or Goedert in lieu of that. Pick someone and stick with it for awhile. Same with the outfield and a back-up DH.
Every pessimist thinks himself a realist. In the case of Cleveland sports fans, they are probably right.
I didn’t think that you were. Apologies comrade if it seemed a little argumentative, I was just venting a little. I had an energy drink earlier and my avatar just makes everything I write seem even more intense.
Every pessimist thinks himself a realist. In the case of Cleveland sports fans, they are probably right.
Agreed, but shouldn’t utility guy practice come off the bench in games that are essentially already over?
Yeah, you could argue it that way, but I think they’re just trying to give him as many big-league reps as they can, while they can. Hell, maybe they’ll keep doing it for most of 2011, who can say?
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