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Game 119: Royals 2, Indians 1


When two bad lineups meet, this is the type of result you expect.

 

Despite the score, it was not a pitcher's duel. Zach Greinke wasn't pitching up his ability, and tonight the Indians could have scored 2 or 3 more runs off him had they had a more potent lineup. Greinke gave up 8 base runners in his six innings, only striking out four, a good outing for most major-league pitchers against most offenses, but considering this pitcher against this lineup, it was a bad start.

Still, thanks to an equally weak Royals lineup and Jeanmar Gomez muddling through a couple jams, the Indians could have won the game. The lone run of the game came, appropriately enough, on a groundout in the second inning. Travis Hafner, who had an excellent game, lined a double into Kauffman's spacious right field gap, and went to third on Jayson Nix's single to left. Matt LaPorta, the sixth-place hitter who hasn't had a hit in over a week, did manage to drive Hafner home with a grounder off the plate. That was it for the offense. In the seventh, Jesse Chavez faced seven Indians hitters, but nothing came of it, for Jayson Nix struck out looking with the bases loaded. Jayson Nix, the fifth-place hitter.

The Royals scored their runs the easy way, with two home runs in consecutive innings. After the second one, Greinke would only go one more inning, leaving two innings until closer Joakim Soria, but nothing was doing.

 

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via www.fangraphs.com


Highest WPA Lowest WPA
Jeanmar Gomez .061 Jason Donald -.229
Travis Hafner .054 Jayson Nix -.161
Rafael Perez .036 Shin-Soo Choo -.141

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This isn’t worth a fan shot … but a huge part of this Det News piece is about Jhonny and how the Tigers apparently love him. The money quote:


Peralta was, in fact, doing fine at third but was made expendable by the Indians for a variety of reasons, none really damning in terms of Peralta’s skills.

My primitive mind can't grasp these concepts.

by Ockus_NYC on Aug 18, 2010 8:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Just a hunch, but I think the writer might be exaggerating a bit. Leyland’s quote is positive, I guess, but seems perfunctory. Who knows what factors will go into the Tigers deciding to pick up Peralta’s option, but it’s hard to imagine his offense so far would favor it. He’s hitting .187 since the trade, with two two-homerun games being outliers in an otherwise lengthy dry spell. And there are no surprises in store with his defense.

The only other assets mentioned in the piece are physical characteristics and the fact of being nice. I confess that I also find Peralta handsome, with those soft facial curves that hint at a certain coquettishness beneath a veneer of stoicism.

I just don’t know if that’s worth $7 million.

From, Ben

by bentausig on Aug 18, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

The author, Lynn Henning, has a history of being a bit of a Dombrowski/Illitch apologist. One of my best friends from high school and college is a die hard Tigers fan and sends me his stuff (including this one) all the time. My friend is also one of these guys who thinks ever deal DD makes is shrewd and is “the deal” that will put the team in the postseason. So, yes, a bit of an exaggeration. But it seems that only we know that. The author is being sincere based on, most likely, a Hoynesian knowledge of the game and a bit of hero worship of the Holy Trinity of Leyland, Dombrowski and Illitch.

I mean, Leyland called him a professional hitter. He plays professional baseball, yes. He is a position player and not a pitcher in the American League – so he’s also a hitter. But he’s also got an OBP under .300. Like you said, he’s run into four fastballs since he’s been in Detroit. And this makes him worth $7 million?

My primitive mind can't grasp these concepts.

by Ockus_NYC on Aug 18, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Let’s hope the Tigers think so.

by larzko on Aug 18, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

heh. Surprising praise given that he’s batting .188 since going there and has 6 hits among his last 49 AB’s.

by Toxicadam on Aug 18, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

This isn’t a Peralta question, it’s a Wood/Kearns one, but I was wondering the other day about what kind of conditions are generally set down for PTBNLs? Is it always a very short list agreed on in advance?

I ask because I had a nightmare a few nights ago where the PTBNL in the Wood trade was … Kerry Wood. I of course realized this was absurd when I woke up, but now I want to make sure.

From, Ben

by bentausig on Aug 18, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

you are on fire this morning.

by gte619n on Aug 18, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

That would be the ultimate end of our gigantic garage sale that began with the CC trade, wouldn’t it? Wood returns as our PTBNL. Shapiro would tout his “flexibility” and ability to play multiple positions for us.

My primitive mind can't grasp these concepts.

by Ockus_NYC on Aug 18, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Harry Chiti. Your nightmare walks.

by YoDaddyWags on Aug 18, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

As a rule, the PTBNL is a minor leaguer with little significance to future major league plans.

Sometimes, however, the PTBNL option is used by clubs to create a short list of players who might be selected, giving the two teams a longer amount of time to settle on a specific player. Sometimes a small amount of cash, like $50,000, is offered as an alternative to the list of players. Sometimes one team does the eventual picking, sometimes the other — usually it’s the team that is owed the player that wants the time to pick.

In those cases, it’s sometimes a significant prospect, but not always. What we (and the reporters) have learned over the past eight years is that when Shapiro deals for a PTBNL, you have to follow up and inquire as to “which type” it will be — a significant prospect or a minor league soldier. Castrovince reported that the Kearns list has real prospects on it, but the Wood deal will produce minor league filler.

by Jay on Aug 18, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

We should compile a list of all the Shapiro SuperPTBNs.

Coco Crisp
Michael Brantley
Jess Todd
…?

by Jay on Aug 18, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Another one on Friday

"I spoil a lot of people with my play." -Lebron James

by Roger Dorn on Aug 18, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m thinking there have been more, though.

by Jay on Aug 18, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mitch Talbot.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Aug 18, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure Pino counts, but Andrew Brown had some good years on the Athletics. Billy Traber was a PTBNL.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Aug 18, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Does Pino or Talbot count?

by Toxicadam on Aug 18, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Talbot should.

In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).

by V-Mart Shopper on Aug 18, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would count both of them.

by Jay on Aug 18, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even though Pino didn’t work out?

In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).

by V-Mart Shopper on Aug 18, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of the past PTBNL’s, Taylor Green is 23 years old in AA with a .267/.341/.442

Link

by Toxicadam on Aug 18, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

What you can’t tell in this recap picture is that Hafner is jumping at least a foot off the ground, literally hopping mad at the ump. Jason Kendall is 4’11".

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Aug 18, 2010 10:15 AM EDT reply actions  

Kendall’s face looks like he knows the last pitch was not a strike.

My primitive mind can't grasp these concepts.

by Ockus_NYC on Aug 18, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hard to win without any power.

I know this game had zero importance, but Kerwin Danley is a joke.

by dgcambridge on Aug 18, 2010 11:30 AM EDT reply actions  

By the way, good for Thome. I understand Hawk Harrelson was dead silent for about three minutes after the home run, then went to commercial.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Aug 18, 2010 12:35 PM EDT reply actions  

I know this likely gets me ridiculed out of any sports bar in Cleveland, and perhaps, even this site, but I’ve never stopped rooting for Jim Thome.

My primitive mind can't grasp these concepts.

by Ockus_NYC on Aug 18, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have.

Come on, four billion!

by Joel D on Aug 18, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was just a really big fan and I didn’t take personally anything about his leaving. Maybe I’m just too forgiving.

My primitive mind can't grasp these concepts.

by Ockus_NYC on Aug 18, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have never really hated him, but booing him is still the right thing to do.

by Jay on Aug 18, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s always bummed me out. I mean, he knows how fans react to decisions like the one he made, I’m sure. And I’m sure he even expects it. But I can’t imagine booing him. There was a time when I was kind of an irrationally fervent fan of his (I drove to the western-most Cleveland-area McDonalds while living in Toledo just to buy a Thome Triple. Twice), I suppose this is just a small continuation of that.

My primitive mind can't grasp these concepts.

by Ockus_NYC on Aug 18, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man, that’s sick.

by odradek on Aug 18, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remember those. They were, well, something else.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Aug 18, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

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