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Briefly: The Return of Carlos Carrasco

In all likelihood, we'll be watching Carlos Carrasco pitch in Cleveland sometime soon and, to his credit, he appears ready to do so. Since June, Carlos has been striking out well over 20% of the batters he faces while also maintaining a groundball percentage right around 50%. This is excellent work, obviously. His ERA has bounced around a bit but for the most part he's been solidly good and flashed his "top prospect" card often enough to keep us intrigued. He's flashed it his last two starts, for instance, going 13.0 IP, giving up only 2 runs (1 earned), and striking out 14 while walking none. This all follows his return from a foremarm strain, suffered in a game in which he'd already struck out 5 over 3.1 IP and during which his stuff drew rave reviews. 

Carrasco has really been excellent most of the year but his numbers have taken a significant hit because of his May, when he scuffled, posting a 5.33 ERA. CarCar is still in his age-23 season; compare that to Tomlin (25), Talbot (26), Huff (25), Laffey (25), and Masterson (25). Carrasco already carries the aura of a disappointment but that's only because he failed to reach his own lofty projections after he combined a great deal of raw stuff with some luck to get to AAA and appear to dominate the league at just 21 years old. My feeling is that his rapid advancement and coinciding decline in dominance contributed to him losing a great deal of his sheen while other players with more interrupted development paths, like De La Cruz or Hagadone for instance, maintained some allure. Despite this being KDLC's age-21 season and Carlos' age-23, only 17 months separate the two. Hagadone is older than Carlos, by about 14 months. If Carrasco's press agent had had the foresight to ask the young pitcher to wrench his elbow out of socket in 2007, would we be more taken with his current results now? 

Carrasco is still a very interesting prospect, a truly young player that appears at the top of his game, getting ready to come to Cleveland for the second time. So, I'm going to try to enjoy him in that context, an admittedly simpler one that doesn't insist I point out that Carrasco has not totally dominated AAA for an extended period of time or that he seemed comically overwhelmed in the majors last year, like Lucille Ball in a chocolate factory.

I'm taking this approach for two reasons-the first is that I think Carrasco was plain rushed, despite receiving relatively positive results up the ladder; I'm hopeful that last season's disastorous MLB debut was the necessary wake-up call, alerting him to the fact that he needed to learn some more before he could make the big jump. Carlos was long knocked for "make-up", for getting upset when he got in trouble, losing focus and losing games. Last night, for what it's worth, he avoided this expertly:

Scranton/WB Top 2nd

After Goedert, he of the nose-diving OPS, let him down, Carrasco buckled down and took care of business and, after that inning, the Scranton/Wilkes-Barre Yankees never really threatened again. Now, this isn't hard evidence of some great developmental jump but it's still nice to see.

The second reason I'm choosing this context is because if we're going to have a new frontline starter anytime soon, it will probably be Carrasco; I want to be sucked into the fable of the hard thrower, the mythology of stuff, at least for a little while. I'm tired of praising our pitchers for being aggressive or strike-throwing or crafty or short. Carrasco and Carmona can sit off the side with Chris Perez and talk about their arms as gifts from god not implements with which they hope to reach arbitration.  

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Goldstein just posted his prospect rundown of the day and noted CarCar:

Carlos Carrasco, RHP, Indians (Triple-A Columbus): 7 IP, 5 H, 1 R (0 ER), 0 BB, 6 K

Once the top prospect in the Phillies system, Carrasco has certainly stalled a bit since getting to the upper levels, but at 23, he’s not exactly an old man whose window of opportunity has closed, and his stuff hasn’t regressed in any way. Always inconsistent, Carrasco has been throwing more strikes of late and the results are clear with a 1.64 ERA since the All-Star break. He should be in line for a September call up and a long look next spring.

by afh4 on Aug 18, 2010 1:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks for this. I hadn’t been following CarCar as closely as I should have been. Between you and Goldstein I’m convinced that CarCar’s performance post-ASB is finally pushing the Indians to give him a shot in Cleveland, and him pushing the Indians with good numbers is certainly far better than the Tribe having to overlook mediocre performance in pulling him up to Cleveland before his time. I look forward to seeing how he does this fall and next spring; I hope he pitches well enough to justify a rotation spot in 2011.

by MTF on Aug 18, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he should be given every opportunity to be in our rotation.

"I spoil a lot of people with my play." -Lebron James

by Roger Dorn on Aug 18, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s not like there are a lot of other options..

by odradek on Aug 18, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

It wouldn’t surprise me to see Antonetti looking for a grizzled FA starter this winter, like a Westbrook or equivalent, leaving only one regular spot open for our depth prospects. I think we’ll have options.

by MTF on Aug 19, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Last paragraph is truly awesome and I support 100 percent. No offense to the Huffs of the world, I’m just tired of them.

Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute

by mjschaefer on Aug 18, 2010 1:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Also known as the cliff lees of the world.

by Brick. on Aug 18, 2010 1:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Let’s not comcare Huff to Lee. I’m pretty sure that Lee’s never send a Twitter message in his life. I’m also pretty sure that Huff’s never tried to dislocate the team captain’s head from his torso either.

Resident LGT results-oriented boob.

by mauichuck on Aug 18, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

How can you send a tweet when you can’t even read.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Aug 18, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

So now you’re overstating your case. Cliff never said he couldn’t read, only that he chooses not to.

Resident LGT results-oriented boob.

by mauichuck on Aug 18, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

He’s actually extremely literate. He just hates books.

by odradek on Aug 18, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was exaggerating the Cliff Lee: Bear Puncher persona.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Aug 18, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plenty of people seem to do just fine.

by odradek on Aug 18, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

You could get really, really lucky.

by Brad D on Aug 19, 2010 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Heck of a leap.

Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute

by mjschaefer on Aug 18, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not really.

by Brick. on Aug 19, 2010 12:37 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Maybe Huff should dehydrate

by KoolAidMan on Aug 18, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

… or stop reading.

by Jay on Aug 18, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

… or get better or quit trying.

by Brad D on Aug 19, 2010 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good piece, thanks. I think you are hitting on something with the scouterazzi that there seems to be an inconsistency applied. The fact that Hagadone is a good deal older Carrasco is an interesting dose of perspective.

"I spoil a lot of people with my play." -Lebron James

by Roger Dorn on Aug 18, 2010 1:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Ranking Hagadone over CC is silly of course, but scouts just love Hagadone’s arm, plain and simple. On pure stuff, it’s him or Knapp, no?

by dgcambridge on Aug 18, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am hesitant to comment since I have never actually seen either pitch, but if we are talking about top speed on their fastballs, then I would think it’s easily those 2.

"I spoil a lot of people with my play." -Lebron James

by Roger Dorn on Aug 18, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Carrasco comes through, even I will become a defender of the Cliff Lee trade.

by Cols714 on Aug 18, 2010 1:42 PM EDT reply actions  

And this is the exact reason you can’t declare trades a win or a loss right away. If is if.

by Brick. on Aug 18, 2010 1:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Sounds like one of Joe Maddon’s slogans.

IF IS IF

by Jay on Aug 18, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

That depends on what your definition of “is” is.

My primitive mind can't grasp these concepts.

by Ockus_NYC on Aug 18, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now, this isn’t hard evidence of some great developmental jump but it’s still nice to see.

It sure is, especially with several of the most prominent starters in the pipeline sidelined (Rondon) or regressing (de la Cruz). I’d say we need at least two out of Carrasco, White, and Pomeranz to succeed if we’re going field a competitive team in 2012.

by ken from alexandria on Aug 18, 2010 2:20 PM EDT reply actions  

A result of the injury he suffered jumping the shark tank, I presume?

My primitive mind can't grasp these concepts.

by Ockus_NYC on Aug 18, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you. This was a clearly needed update as Carrasco has clearly figured something out and we do need the constant reminder that though he has seemingly been around forever, he is but a babe in the woods. Has his GB/FB gone up this year relative top years prior?

by stuart dean on Aug 18, 2010 3:18 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m bracing myself for what we got last year, but looking at him more optimistically than with Tomlin or Jennmar.

In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).

by V-Mart Shopper on Aug 18, 2010 3:22 PM EDT reply actions  

I hope he’s having better luck than I am forgetting the straight meatballs he threw his first time up.

by JulioBernazard on Aug 18, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

what we got is what we have.

by Brick. on Aug 18, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I meant in terms of his performance in the majors last year. You’re saying you guarantee he’s going to pitch just as horribly?

In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).

by V-Mart Shopper on Aug 18, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

i’m just inventing more catch phrases.

by Brick. on Aug 18, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough. I think it ‘has the right stuff’ to fit in perfectly.

In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).

by V-Mart Shopper on Aug 18, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you Andrew for offering up another valuable piece of our little puzzle. Someone wrote (maybe in a recap?) last year about tears welling up in Carlos’ eyes as he grooved yet another pitch during his late season audition. I laughed so hard when I read it, but it really was true. Carlos just wasn’t prepared emotionally to handle pitching at the major league level. Maybe he was gassed by the time he reached Cleveland and knew he had nothing. Hopefully, he’ll use the experience and prove himself a competent starter. Boy, we could really use him.

by larzko on Aug 18, 2010 5:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Baseball America has pay content on Triple A arms that are “getting close” with the below picture.

I had trouble wit the link so am resorting to C’n’P

http://www.baseballamerica.com/online/prospects/prospect-bulletin/2010/2610536.html

by stuart dean on Aug 19, 2010 9:56 AM EDT reply actions  

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