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More from Castro on the TJ surgery. . .

If you don't respect Aaron Laffey, I will fight you.

by Cap'n Snegiryov on Aug 26, 2010 2:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Dr Andrews must be able to perform this surgery in his sleep by now.

"Ok everyone listen up! I've just invited Dave to suck it!"

by GoTribe028 on Aug 26, 2010 2:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Well I thought it was a forearm injury only, so this is quite depressing.

"I spoil a lot of people with my play."
"But I mean, even my family gets spoiled at times watching me doing things that I do, on and off the court." -Lebron James

by Roger Dorn on Aug 26, 2010 2:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Is this a longer than average amount of time from being shut down to being cut on? It seems like it usually doesn’t take this long.

Come on, four billion!

by Joel D on Aug 26, 2010 3:12 PM EDT reply actions  

They must not have thought it was so serious. Lastoria saying he felt more pain in the “return to throwing” program, and because of that had to shut him down again and now give surgery.

In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).

by V-Mart Shopper on Aug 26, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is why we try to get them young, to get it over with.

by dgcambridge on Aug 26, 2010 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Good thing we hadn’t called him up. Dodged a bullet there (maybe a bee-bee).

by jhon on Aug 26, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unless you are phenomenally lucky, the two go hand in hand. The reality is the Indians have more than 20 pitchers under the age of 25 worth following. That is going to be a lot of surgeries, even if the Indians do all the necessary preventative work. If a few of these guys start panning out at the big league level (looking your way Justin and Carlos), it won’t seem so bad.

by APV on Aug 28, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can obviously do the legwork to look at these 20+ pitchers we have now. My question is more when we unquestionably had the best farm system around in 2003, would we have had roughly the same number of pitchers that were worth following? The Davis(es), Traber(s), Tallet(s), etc?

Just trying to determine how much I need to temper my enthusiasm based on past experience.

by cheech99 on Aug 28, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Our 2003 farm system was more heavily weighted toward position players, with Victor, Jhonny, BP, Hafner, Bard, Crisp, etc. We had fewer legit pitching prospects, and in particular we had fewer with really great stuff. Davis, Ferd and Lee had the stuff, but Tallet, Traber, Stanford, etc. were not high-ceiling guys at all. The situation now, with big-stuff guys like Knapp, KDLC, Rondon, Hagadone, waiting to see who can stay healthy, it’s different and better than in 2003. It’s perhaps a lot different and only a little better, but the organizational upside is a lot higher, a lot more to dream on.

by Jay on Aug 28, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does this mean he is done as a prospect?

Usually it’s 2 years for TJ surgery right? So he will basically start pitching again at this time next year and then be up to par in late 2012?

In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).

by V-Mart Shopper on Aug 26, 2010 4:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Nah. Most of the time pitchers will be ready to go in a year and a half. So by 2012 he should be good to go. With no setbacks of course.

The Once and Future King

by FlaGators on Aug 26, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

no setbacks of course

This never ever happens with us …. sigh

by talonk on Aug 26, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

So sad. But so true.

The Once and Future King

by FlaGators on Aug 26, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does it happen often with anybody else?

by Jay on Aug 27, 2010 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe we can schedule it now so we can get it out of the way early.

"If Brown is the answer, then you’re asking the wrong question." - Ryan

by woodsmeister on Aug 27, 2010 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

But how old will he be then? And keep in mind he is not major league ready at that point, since he was not this year.

In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).

by V-Mart Shopper on Aug 26, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is 24 too old for a AAA SP to be considered a prospect?

by The Grimace on Aug 27, 2010 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Does it matter?

I’m starting to really hate the word prospect.

by emd2k3 on Aug 27, 2010 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously. Who cares if he’s a prospect. Can he pitch worth a damn?

Where's your crown, KIng Nothing?

by Turkmenbashi on Aug 27, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

It does have relevance though in terms of what value the front office will put into giving him a callup, giving him a shot over other players, etc

In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).

by V-Mart Shopper on Aug 27, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure the label matters to them.

by emd2k3 on Aug 30, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

That kind of misses the entire point of what I was saying. No offense.

In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).

by V-Mart Shopper on Aug 31, 2010 3:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Either it’s not missing the point, or I’m missing it, too.

Either way … you’re the one who failed to make the point, or perhaps is missing his point.

by Jay on Aug 31, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Transmission of at least one point failed on at least one occasion.

by Logodaedalus on Aug 31, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Getting there. It’s not too old to be considered major league-ready.

by Jay on Aug 27, 2010 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

No. It means the only thing holding back his status on his return is his rehab. That said, this is unfotunate timing in relation to his 40-man status…as he is basically stuck on it now for rule 5 purposes with zero expected return the next two off-seasons.

by APV on Aug 28, 2010 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, there actually is a decent chance he can be DFA’ed next offseason.

by Jay on Aug 28, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would be surprised. I could see a lot of teams taking a flyer on a former top pitching prospect 14-15 months post TJ.

by APV on Aug 28, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rondon was never a darling of the scouts, though.

by Jay on Aug 28, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was just looking at his option status. We possibly could avoid using one next season by keeping him on the 60-day until September, but it doesn’t look like it’s going to matter. If we use one next year, he’ll almost certainly be eligible for a fourth option in 2012. If we don’t, he’ll be on his third option in 2012 but probably won’t be eligible for a fourth in 2013.

So we basically can do whatever we need to do for the next two seasons, but if he stays on the 40-man as you suspect, we’ll have to deal with his being out of options in spring training 2013.

by Jay on Aug 28, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess this balances out the optimism with Knapp. Clevelanders couldn’t handle too much good news, you know.

by MickS on Aug 26, 2010 9:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Too much?

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Aug 26, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do we drop him from the 40-man then? How does that work?

by cheech99 on Aug 26, 2010 10:17 PM EDT reply actions  

I doubt it. He’ll only take a spot off our 40 man during the winter; during the regular season he can be placed on the 60 day DL and we can use his roster spot.

Also, depends on how highly he is regarded by other organizations. All it takes is one team who’d like to stash him on their 60 day DL for the season.

by talonk on Aug 26, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

not a chance. we kept reyes.

by Brick. on Aug 27, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think my next tattoo will say TINSTAAPP.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Aug 26, 2010 11:38 PM EDT reply actions  

If I hear that phrase one more time, my head might explode.

LGT's resident moderate Yankee hating fan.

by Joe. on Aug 26, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

TIN …….

by talonk on Aug 27, 2010 3:07 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don’t know if it’s intentional, but I love how this reflects the NL West meme.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Aug 27, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not surprising at all. Pitchers get hurt. That’s sort of what they do.

by Cols714 on Aug 27, 2010 10:28 AM EDT reply actions  

Strasburg having TJ surgery as well. Comparable pitchers!

by afh4 on Aug 27, 2010 10:42 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Except we didn’t pay 15.1 million, we win!

"I spoil a lot of people with my play."
"But I mean, even my family gets spoiled at times watching me doing things that I do, on and off the court." -Lebron James

by Roger Dorn on Aug 27, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

My thought when I heard this was: maybe I should start following football more closely. Less injuries.

This is ridiculous.

by dgcambridge on Aug 27, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

If it weren’t for that ’80’s Redskins Super Bowl win, DC could certainly give Cleveland a run for its money in terms of sports misery.

Where's your crown, KIng Nothing?

by Turkmenbashi on Aug 27, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

they also beat the Bills in the Early 1990s. On the other hand, they have to live with the politicians.

by gmfrodo on Aug 27, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh I know. Part of the reason why I don’t feel as badly for them, though. Lots of transplants there. Few “real” fans.

Where's your crown, KIng Nothing?

by Turkmenbashi on Aug 27, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah. 82, 87, and 91 were Super Bowl victories – The Joe Gibbs era

In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).

by V-Mart Shopper on Aug 27, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, I didn’t realize there were three. Why was I thinking only the one? Well, screw that then. They’re not suffering.

Where's your crown, KIng Nothing?

by Turkmenbashi on Aug 27, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

And they had a movie made about their baseball team!

Oh, wait …

by emd2k3 on Aug 30, 2010 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nats on the hook for $5.5M over the next two seasons with his arby years (Boras client) coming after that.

by The DiaTriber on Aug 27, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

well if he’s injured the whole time I can’t imagine he gets much in arbitration.

I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.

by notthatnoise on Aug 28, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I bet Rob Dibble feels like crawling under a rock today.

His comments

by Toxicadam on Aug 27, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t be shocked to see him come out and say those comments again……

….ok, I’m kidding. I’d say he has to feel like a complete doucher right now.

"Ok everyone listen up! I've just invited Dave to suck it!"

by GoTribe028 on Aug 27, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know what we call guys who keep throwing when they feel unusual pain and don’t make it a point to tell the trainer and manager that there’s a problem? Mark Prior.

Nice.

My primitive mind can't grasp these concepts.

by Ockus_NYC on Aug 27, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

My fantasy team is ruined. I had 3 keepers in mind: Brett Anderson, Carlos Santana and Strasburg. All 3 have been or currently are on the DL and Strasburg is useless for atleast a year (and probably more).

Oh yeah, sucks for the Nationals as well.

/fantasy baseball rant

by JP_Frost on Aug 27, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Santana should still be fine as a keeper. (?)

I just want to believe.

by mjmarble on Aug 27, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes. And I will keep him. Strasburg and Santana were the only ones I was sure of, now it’s just our savior. Maybe, I should keep Jamey Carroll.

by JP_Frost on Aug 27, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

And this is why the first pick isn’t worth it.

by Brad D on Aug 28, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Best case scenario…Rondon is able to regain his control pretty quickly on return and for a few seasons has a little more zip on his fastball and a little more bite on his breaking stuff.

by APV on Aug 28, 2010 9:01 AM EDT reply actions  

Did Tommy John have Tommy John surgery?

by odradek on Aug 29, 2010 1:47 AM EDT reply actions  

Is this the new “Is the Pope Catholic?”

by Logodaedalus on Aug 29, 2010 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Was Wally Pipp Wally Pipped?

by dgcambridge on Aug 29, 2010 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is having a snowball fight with pitching legend Randy Johnson, a bad idea?

In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).

by V-Mart Shopper on Aug 31, 2010 3:05 AM EDT reply actions  

reply fail.

In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).

by V-Mart Shopper on Aug 31, 2010 3:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

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