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More from Castro on the TJ surgery. . .
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by Cap'n Snegiryov on Aug 26, 2010 2:24 PM EDT reply actions
Is this a longer than average amount of time from being shut down to being cut on? It seems like it usually doesn’t take this long.
Come on, four billion!
They must not have thought it was so serious. Lastoria saying he felt more pain in the “return to throwing” program, and because of that had to shut him down again and now give surgery.
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Aug 26, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Unless you are phenomenally lucky, the two go hand in hand. The reality is the Indians have more than 20 pitchers under the age of 25 worth following. That is going to be a lot of surgeries, even if the Indians do all the necessary preventative work. If a few of these guys start panning out at the big league level (looking your way Justin and Carlos), it won’t seem so bad.
I can obviously do the legwork to look at these 20+ pitchers we have now. My question is more when we unquestionably had the best farm system around in 2003, would we have had roughly the same number of pitchers that were worth following? The Davis(es), Traber(s), Tallet(s), etc?
Just trying to determine how much I need to temper my enthusiasm based on past experience.
Our 2003 farm system was more heavily weighted toward position players, with Victor, Jhonny, BP, Hafner, Bard, Crisp, etc. We had fewer legit pitching prospects, and in particular we had fewer with really great stuff. Davis, Ferd and Lee had the stuff, but Tallet, Traber, Stanford, etc. were not high-ceiling guys at all. The situation now, with big-stuff guys like Knapp, KDLC, Rondon, Hagadone, waiting to see who can stay healthy, it’s different and better than in 2003. It’s perhaps a lot different and only a little better, but the organizational upside is a lot higher, a lot more to dream on.
Does this mean he is done as a prospect?
Usually it’s 2 years for TJ surgery right? So he will basically start pitching again at this time next year and then be up to par in late 2012?
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
Nah. Most of the time pitchers will be ready to go in a year and a half. So by 2012 he should be good to go. With no setbacks of course.
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Maybe we can schedule it now so we can get it out of the way early.
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by woodsmeister on Aug 27, 2010 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions
But how old will he be then? And keep in mind he is not major league ready at that point, since he was not this year.
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Aug 26, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Is 24 too old for a AAA SP to be considered a prospect?
by The Grimace on Aug 27, 2010 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Seriously. Who cares if he’s a prospect. Can he pitch worth a damn?
Where's your crown, KIng Nothing?
by Turkmenbashi on Aug 27, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
It does have relevance though in terms of what value the front office will put into giving him a callup, giving him a shot over other players, etc
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Aug 27, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
That kind of misses the entire point of what I was saying. No offense.
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Aug 31, 2010 3:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Either it’s not missing the point, or I’m missing it, too.
Either way … you’re the one who failed to make the point, or perhaps is missing his point.
Transmission of at least one point failed on at least one occasion.
by Logodaedalus on Aug 31, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
No. It means the only thing holding back his status on his return is his rehab. That said, this is unfotunate timing in relation to his 40-man status…as he is basically stuck on it now for rule 5 purposes with zero expected return the next two off-seasons.
I would be surprised. I could see a lot of teams taking a flyer on a former top pitching prospect 14-15 months post TJ.
I was just looking at his option status. We possibly could avoid using one next season by keeping him on the 60-day until September, but it doesn’t look like it’s going to matter. If we use one next year, he’ll almost certainly be eligible for a fourth option in 2012. If we don’t, he’ll be on his third option in 2012 but probably won’t be eligible for a fourth in 2013.
So we basically can do whatever we need to do for the next two seasons, but if he stays on the 40-man as you suspect, we’ll have to deal with his being out of options in spring training 2013.
I guess this balances out the optimism with Knapp. Clevelanders couldn’t handle too much good news, you know.
I doubt it. He’ll only take a spot off our 40 man during the winter; during the regular season he can be placed on the 60 day DL and we can use his roster spot.
Also, depends on how highly he is regarded by other organizations. All it takes is one team who’d like to stash him on their 60 day DL for the season.
Strasburg having TJ surgery as well. Comparable pitchers!
by afh4 on Aug 27, 2010 10:42 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
My thought when I heard this was: maybe I should start following football more closely. Less injuries.
This is ridiculous.
by dgcambridge on Aug 27, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
If it weren’t for that ’80’s Redskins Super Bowl win, DC could certainly give Cleveland a run for its money in terms of sports misery.
Where's your crown, KIng Nothing?
by Turkmenbashi on Aug 27, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
they also beat the Bills in the Early 1990s. On the other hand, they have to live with the politicians.
Oh I know. Part of the reason why I don’t feel as badly for them, though. Lots of transplants there. Few “real” fans.
Where's your crown, KIng Nothing?
by Turkmenbashi on Aug 27, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah. 82, 87, and 91 were Super Bowl victories – The Joe Gibbs era
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Aug 27, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, I didn’t realize there were three. Why was I thinking only the one? Well, screw that then. They’re not suffering.
Where's your crown, KIng Nothing?
by Turkmenbashi on Aug 27, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Nats on the hook for $5.5M over the next two seasons with his arby years (Boras client) coming after that.
by The DiaTriber on Aug 27, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
well if he’s injured the whole time I can’t imagine he gets much in arbitration.
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by notthatnoise on Aug 28, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
My fantasy team is ruined. I had 3 keepers in mind: Brett Anderson, Carlos Santana and Strasburg. All 3 have been or currently are on the DL and Strasburg is useless for atleast a year (and probably more).
Oh yeah, sucks for the Nationals as well.
/fantasy baseball rant
Is this the new “Is the Pope Catholic?”
by Logodaedalus on Aug 29, 2010 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Is having a snowball fight with pitching legend Randy Johnson, a bad idea?
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
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In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Aug 31, 2010 3:06 AM EDT up reply actions
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