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Game 129: Indians 4, Royals 3 (10 Innings)



As this season is winding down, I've been watching these games with an eye towards 2011, and how certain players are going to fit into next year's team. I've been more generous than the usual "would he play on a championship team" because next year's club won't be built as such. Most of the position players are easy to peg because the development of the lineup seems relatively easy to see, but the starting staff has been a lot tougher to decipher.

I'm confident that only two of the five current starters will actually be in next year's rotation (Carmona and Talbot), and I've soured a bit on Talbot's future in the second half. The Indians have said that Justin Masterson is best suited as a reliever, though that presupposes the Indians have five starters better than Masterson in the rotation. The other two guys, Josh Tomlin and Jeanmar Gomez, jumped quite a few of their competitors to make it to this point, and they'll have to do so next spring. So their remaining starts are even more critical than, say, Carlos Carrasco's, for Carlos is going to have to do a lot to lose his spot in next year's rotation thanks to stuff and minor-league performance.

Tonight's pitcher, Jeanmar Gomez, still has a nice ERA, but he's working very hard to maintain it. After his first two starts (New York and Toronto), he's faced a string of poor to middling offensive teams (Minnesota, Baltimore, Kansas City, Detroit) with another shot at KC tonight (without Billy Butler), and he hasn't gotten beyond six innings in any start. To his credit, in most of those games he's left having only giving up a run or two, but again, I'm looking at how this pitching package will stack up for years to come. He's only 22, a year younger than Carrasco, but with more marginal stuff (~90 mph fastball, decent slider, ok change). He does have durability, something that's easy to overlook; he's thrown at least 135 innings since making his full-season debut. I'd like to see how he does against some more more potent lineups, but the way his starts stack up, the best he'll face between now and the end of the year will be two consecutive starts against the Angels in September, and possibly, if the Indians don't shut him down, the White Sox at the end of the season. His other three starts will come against the Royals (twice) and Mariners.

Anyway, about this particular game. Gomez fought his way out of some tough jams and was helped greatly by a line-drive double play to end the fifth. He gave up his first runs of the game on a two-run homer by Wilson Betemit in the sixth and couldn't finish the inning, leaving the game after walking (!) Willie Bloomquist with two outs in the sixth. Tony Sipp picked off Bloomquist to end the inning, then pitched the seventh.

The Royals may not be a good team right now, but every fifth day they're one of the best teams in the league with Zach Greinke setting up closer Joakim Soria.  Greinke, who looked as though he might not get out of the second, was still pitching long after his counterpart left the game, getting better and better as the game wore on. The Indians had a chance to break the game open in the second, when Travis Hafner stepped to the plate with the bases loaded and two out, but Greinke struck him out with ease to end the threat. He finished eight innings, and left the game with the score tied.

Wilson Betemit would knot the score in the eighth with an RBI off Rafael Perez. The reanimated Perez had given up runs in just two of his 12 August appearances, and has become on most nights the eighth inning setup to Chris Perez. Rafael got out of the inning with the score tied, and pitched a scoreless ninth. Chris Perez worked around a leadoff walk in the tenth, setting up Asdrubal Cabrera's walkoff homer in the bottom of the tenth.

 

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via www.fangraphs.com

 

Highest WPA Lowest WPA
Asdrubal Cabrera .336 Joe Smith -.087
Chris Perez .140 Jason Donald -.087
Tony Sipp .135 Jayson Nix -.072

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Matt Packer was awesome tonight. I think we have another legitimate starting pitching prospect here.

LGT's resident moderate Yankee hating fan.

by Joe. on Aug 29, 2010 5:01 AM EDT reply actions  

I’m not prepared to be excited about many 23 year olds in Lake County. But it does speak well about him that he was moved straight to Akron. Compiling the numbers for the off-season rankings will be interesting. A lot of movement relative to last year’s series.

by APV on Aug 29, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just tearned 23 and the numbers are holding up in AA.

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by Joe. on Aug 29, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’d be more interested in Packer if he hadn’t skipped HiA despite his age. When I see a jump like that, I’m under the impression that the movee is considered organizational fodder. A) Am I generally correct?
B) If so, am I correct in this case?*

  • I’m in the middle of woods in Canada so I am pretty much unable to do the requisite research on Packer.

by stuart dean on Aug 29, 2010 11:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I don’t see it that way. I see it as an admission that they were more careful than they needed to be with his previous assignment, and an acknowledgement that this prospect is only a prospect if he advances very quickly.

I like all of it, but who cares, really, it’s only a pitching prospect.

by Jay on Aug 29, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes but in the absence of rule 5, we all need something to needlessly get worked up about.

by stuart dean on Aug 29, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Someone’s got to pitch for us.

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by Joe. on Aug 29, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tier 1: Carmona

Tier 2: Talbot, Masterson, Carrasco

Tier 3: Gomez, Tomlin, Laffey, Huff

Tier 4: McAllister, Pino, Espino

by dgcambridge on Aug 29, 2010 9:32 AM EDT reply actions  

I’d move Tomlin to Tier 4. Not to start the season, but I think by the end of 2011 you might be looking at White and Barnes as Tier 3 options.

by APV on Aug 29, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’d move Laffey and Huff behind Gomez at this point. Neither has shown the ability to consistently get big league hitters out. Gomez is, of course, still operating under SSS, but he’s a better option right now than either lefty.

by Brad D on Aug 29, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Talbot is probably tier 3.

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by Joe. on Aug 29, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

 1: Carmona
 2: Talbot
 3: Masterson, Carrasco
 4: Gomez, Laffey
5: Tomlin,
6: Huff
7: McAllister, Pino, Espino

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by westbrook on Aug 29, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why is anyone still high on Laffey?

by Brad D on Aug 29, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or Huff? Seems like he is gonzo.

by kennesawmountainwahoo on Aug 29, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Huff has too much pedigree (see Crowe, Trevor) to be gonzo. I am suspecting some dark plot involving a proscribed mindf_ck that the team Psychologist has reccomended.

by stuart dean on Aug 29, 2010 12:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

He does?

I figure one of Laffey or Huff are going to get in the 2011 rotation, and I will always favor Laffey between the two.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Aug 29, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Masterson and Carrasco should be above Talbot.

LGT's resident moderate Yankee hating fan.

by Joe. on Aug 29, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with the author that Talbot and Carmona are sure things for next year’s rotation, but I also think there is a third sure-thing (to start the year at least), and that’s Masterson. He’s got to be given another chance especially since guys like Huff and Laffey were – Masterson possibly has more potential then both combined.

Btw, when and in what context did they say Masterson was better suited as a reliever?

We might see Carrasco in the rotation if he pitches better than last year’s callup, we *might see Jeanmar, and both of these are way more likely than Tomlin IMO. But I think we’ll also see a free agent filler taking up one spot. So it may be Jeanmar and Carrasco in competition for that 4th or 5th spot, and the loser of which will be making his case to be first called up if/when Masterson pitches the same as this year and needs to be removed to the bullpen in 2011.

In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).

by V-Mart Shopper on Aug 29, 2010 1:21 PM EDT reply actions  

when and in what context did they say Masterson was better suited as a reliever

Good question. I haven’t seen that either. I think Acta actually said, the other day, that Masterson would come into camp next year as a starter — he didn’t sound 100% convinced he’d stay in that role, but they still seem to feel he has a chance to develop into a reliable starter.

'If I'm not here, 'I'll be somewhere else.'' Andy Marte

by peter m on Aug 29, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

We don’t have the major league-ready talent to justify not giving Masterson more chances.

by Jay on Aug 30, 2010 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

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