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Game 131: White Sox 10, Indians 6 (11 Innings)

So what happened to that guy who was spotting his pitches in the strike zone? The guy who was always ahead in the count? I haven't seen him since June, and in his place is a guy who falls behind in the count, either nibbling beyond the edges of the plate or just not able to hit the corners. I want the real Mitch Talbot back, for the guy pitching in his place sucks.

Evil Talbot was rocked in the first two innings against the White Sox, giving up seven hits and five runs. Almost all of those seven hits were smacked right on the screws, an indication of how accommodating the location of those pitches were. If not for an ill-advised steal attempt by Juan Pierre, the Indians wouldn't have had an opportunity to get back into the game. The starting pitcher stayed in the game for three more innings, not giving up any further damage despite allowing another five base runners. The White Sox loaded the bases in the fourth with one out, but AJ Pierzynski hit into a double play.

Mark Buerhle wasn't on the top of his game, and the Indians were able to cut into the lead early. Jayson Nix hit a two-run homer against his former team in the fourth, and Travis Hafner doubled in another run in the fifth. Justin Germano gave up his first earned run in the sixth on a Alexis Rios home run in the sixth, and there the scored stayed until the ninth inning. Jayson Nix, who was irked early in the game by a couple bad strike calls, was tossed after striking out looking in the seventh inning. His body language wasn't demonstrative, so either he said a magic word or (more likely) umpire Bill Welke got tired of hearing him.

Bobby Jenks was called upon to quell an uprising in the eighth, which he did, but the ninth was a different story. He walked Shin-Soo Choo to start the inning, then gave up a Shelley Duncan bloop single. Choo scored on the hit, and the next five Indian hitters represented either the tying or winning runs. Travis Hafner was next, and he doubled down the left field line, pushing Duncan to third with still nobody out. Luis Valbuena then hit a Minnesota chop, and Brent Lillabridge threw wildly to first, allowing both Duncan and Hafner to score and Valbuena to go to second. The Indians should have then ended the game then and there, but Andy Marte, who had had a pretty good game at the plate, rolled over on a Jenks pitch, pulling it to shortstop. Valbuena stayed at second, and therefore wasn't able to go home on Jason Donald's high chopper to third.

After Chris Perez had an adventurous tenth inning, the Indians went in order in the bottom of the inning. Rafael Perez came out for the eleventh, and after retiring to the first two White Sox, he left a fastball out over the plate to Lillabridge, and the utility infielder just cleared the left field wall, giving Chicago the lead. Perez imploded after that, giving up three more runs before being pulled.

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via www.fangraphs.com


Highest WPA Lowest WPA
Travis Hafner .508 Rafael Perez -.483
Luis Valbuena .366 Mitch Talbot -.268
Chris Perez .140 Jason Donald -.239

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Bottom of the 9th, winning run on 2nd and no one out…bunt?

by The Grimace on Aug 31, 2010 2:53 AM EDT reply actions  

I think act bunts too often… but maybe that was the one place he should have.

In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).

by V-Mart Shopper on Aug 31, 2010 3:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t disagree, but in fairness to Acta the winning run should have scored without having to strategize.

From, Ben

by bentausig on Aug 31, 2010 3:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

when your offense is this sporadic then you need to strategize

by The Grimace on Aug 31, 2010 5:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

You do. I meant that statement in the cosmic sense.

From, Ben

by bentausig on Aug 31, 2010 5:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

this very true.

http://www.justingermanofanclub.com/

by westbrook on Aug 31, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, there was some significant situational hitting/management fail there.

"If Brown is the answer, then you’re asking the wrong question." - Ryan

by woodsmeister on Aug 31, 2010 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mitch Talbot sucks. Oh well.

LGT's resident moderate Yankee hating fan.

by Joe. on Aug 31, 2010 4:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Maybe, though it could just be a late season/young pitcher thing. Phil Hughes’ ERA is about 5.00 in his last 50 innings, Mike Leake’s given up 17 ER in his last 17 innings spanning four starts. I concede that this doesn’t happen to everyone, and further that it’s not a result of velocity in Talbot’s case. Still, I’m not at all ready to dismiss him. At one point, he even had a string of starts where he was striking people out. Not that long ago, actually.

As with a wounded water buffalo, the most Buddhist thing to do at this point would be to shut Match Talbot down, allowing him to know the dharma by grazing unfettered in the outfield grass, and anticipate his return in the next life (season).

From, Ben

by bentausig on Aug 31, 2010 5:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

shutting him down and moving masterson to the bullpen come wednesday may be the answer. outside of carassco the options to replace those two may not be great but it is better than running the risk of injury or burnout

by The Grimace on Aug 31, 2010 5:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why would we move Masterson to the bullpen if we also shut down Talbot?

LGT's resident moderate Yankee hating fan.

by Joe. on Aug 31, 2010 5:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

if you believe that they only want him pitching 181 then he has 30 innings left, that could be enough starts to last the season or it could be better served in the bullpen. the options to replace don’t look to promising though

by The Grimace on Aug 31, 2010 6:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

They should probably put Talbot in the bullpen. IT could possibly help him with his control issues. I think his stuff is decent, but honestly, he’s one of the worst pitchers in baseball right now.

LGT's resident moderate Yankee hating fan.

by Joe. on Aug 31, 2010 6:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

he needs to be shut down, he’s gone from 68 innings pitched to 140

by The Grimace on Aug 31, 2010 6:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I imagine today is Masterson’s last start.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Aug 31, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Neither of those pitchers have xFIP’s over 5., either. I didn’t even know such a craptastic xFIP was attainable.

LGT's resident moderate Yankee hating fan.

by Joe. on Aug 31, 2010 5:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is xFIP (this stat is new to me) supposed to reflect something like deserved ERA?

From, Ben

by bentausig on Aug 31, 2010 6:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Basically, yeah.

LGT's resident moderate Yankee hating fan.

by Joe. on Aug 31, 2010 6:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

So why would it be unimaginable for a guy to have an xFIP over 5.00? There are lots of starters who have pitched 100+ innings this year who have ERAs over 5.00. Not good ones, of course, but it’s not especially rare.

Also, I have to say that xFIP confuses me a bit. It’s supposed to predict future ERA better than current ERA … but isn’t xFIP itself premised on the volatility of ERA? So what does one accomplish by predicting a fairly meaningless statistic?

I don’t know much about statistics or sabermetrics, so my apologies if these questions are very basic.

From, Ben

by bentausig on Aug 31, 2010 6:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

It looks at batted ball percentages, opponents, ballparks, and all that kind of stuff.

http://www.justingermanofanclub.com/

by westbrook on Aug 31, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

You sounded like Christina Kahrl just then.

by baerga1 on Aug 31, 2010 6:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Haha – I’ll take that as a compliment. She’s always been a favorite.

From, Ben

by bentausig on Aug 31, 2010 6:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

He definitely looked awful last night. I watched the first 4 innings and he looked like a guy shotputting his pitches to home plate.

by Toxicadam on Aug 31, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I made this comment at the end of April, that it must be some kind of record for Choo to lead his team in all of the “old-timey” stat categories. Well, here we are at the beginning of September and he is still in the lead.

I went back through recent B-ref history and looked at guys like Bonds, Beltran, etc. It wasn’t until I found Jose Canseco’s 88 season (40/40 year) that I was able to find someone to do it.

by Toxicadam on Aug 31, 2010 1:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, been thinking about this too. Not quite like Canseco or Bonds though. Who is supposed to be leading this offense (in no particular order):

-Grady
-Santana
-Hafner
-Cabrera
-LaPorta
-Choo

In other words:

-Horrible knee injury
-Tragic, violent knee injury
-Chronic, no-chance-of-healing shoulder injury
-Freak arm injury
-Mysterious hip injury, or just nonperformance
-Just a little thumb problem that could have been worse

I’m always amused now when I read “Pitchers [or pitching prospects] get hurt, it’s what they do.” Really, because our hitters seem to be able to rival any group of pitchers. I have no idea if this is unusual.

[Standard disclaimers: I get that we weren’t going to win anyway. Our pitching is horrible, our hitters each already peaked anyway…blah blah blah]

So Choo’s excellent, but by missing only three weeks to injury, it’s easy to see how he is leading in every category. Who’s our best hitter that been healthy? Jason Donald?

In other words, something very very bad is going to happen to Choo.

by dgcambridge on Aug 31, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

and then Donald.

http://www.justingermanofanclub.com/

by westbrook on Aug 31, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not to mention that both Donald and Choo have already had serious injury issues in the past

by dgcambridge on Aug 31, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

We’ve got another threat on the horizon. Forget getting injured playing baseball, how about two of your most productive years being lost to military service? Shades of Bob Feller.

Resident LGT results-oriented boob.

by mauichuck on Aug 31, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not worried about this one.

by Roger Dorn on Aug 31, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

The key, as we’ve seen with Choo and Marte, is to fool the injury gods by turning our pitchers into hitters and our hitters into pitchers.

by Chemo on Sep 1, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

After yesterday’s homer, Jayson Nix has now moved into sole possession of second place on the team in that category with 11. The optimist would focus on the pleasant surprise Nix has been since joining the team.

by ClarkM on Aug 31, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

The optimist

On this site, I guess it’s appropriate to use the singular.

by YoDaddyWags on Aug 31, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

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