Kenny Lofton Interview in P-D
Lot of enjoyable stuff in here. Calls out strike zone in '95 WS and avoids saying who the best he ever played with was "because of performance enhancers."
Should've just said the truth, Kenny: Joey Albert Belle.
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outstanding interview, love the honesty. I was too young to remember ‘95, so if anyone can verify the strike zone thing, I’d appreciate it.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
I remember the Maddux and Glavine living six to nine inches off the plate and getting those calls. What I don’t remember is our pitchers also hitting those spots and NOT getting the same calls. Is that what other folks recall?
I’m here on it. I certainly remember the crazy outside strikes, and if you watch videos of those games, it’s stunning what passes for a strike, but I don’t remember if that didn’t get called for our guys. I seem to remember in general the strike zone got called a little wider than the plate back then.
Il faut d'abord durer.
Read “As They See ’Em.” It specifically talks about Maddux and Glavine (especially maddux) and how they got better calls than anybody else throughout the season. Some umpired essentially admit to it.
The Braves were so accustomed to it that when Questec came in, Bobby Cox blatantly complained about pitches six inches off the plate not being strikes anymore — as if they ever had been.
by Jay on Aug 6, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Very fun read. He’ll always be one of my all time favorite Indians.
I guess if he’s not going to blame Skinner for ’07, I should stop.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Aug 6, 2010 12:10 PM EDT reply actions
Me, too. Class act.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Aug 6, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
With a couple of bullpen sessions, I’ll bet he could be.
Come on, four billion!
by Joel D on Aug 6, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
I know Kenny is smart not airing any dirty laundry about those mid-90s teams, but man, the stories that haven’t been told about those characters could probably fill out a 300-page book.
I’m sure one of the Sorrento-types is going to need money in the next few years, be patient, I bet we see this book sooner rather than later.
by millionairesrow on Aug 6, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Always was and always will be my favorite Indian. Really made our best teams go. Showed up and worked hard on offense and defense, never a distraction. Class guy. And loved that quick, compact swing.
Him scoring from second vs the Mariners is my all-time Indians play, without a doubt. Even Manning catching Barker’s final out, which I saw live, does not compare. Close but Kenny showed so much desire to win in that one 180 foot sprint it wins out.
Len Barker Perfect Game Attendee
my favorite all-time Indians play
Len Barker Perfect Game Attendee
by PortlandVinny on Aug 6, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
asterix fail
Len Barker Perfect Game Attendee
by PortlandVinny on Aug 6, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
*asterisk fail.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Aug 7, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
This is close to mine, certainly the best I’ve seen live. 3d row from the top of the upper deck, third base side, surrounded by Yankee jackasses and not a hint of the midges that were so distressing to Justin. Best seats in the house.
Alomar’s home run off of Mariano in the ALDS or Vizquel’s bases loaded triple against Seattle in ’01 to complete the comeback are the two other plays I can think that are up there with the Lofton dash that compete with the Sizemore run, though.
Il faut d'abord durer.
Alomar’s home run off Rivera is certainly my number-one play, if we’re talking about games we saw in person. Pretty high on the list regardless, actually.
I wasn’t there, but that was definitely my favorite all time moment, given the situation and how untouchable Rivera had been.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Aug 10, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I wasn’t talking about in person, I was at the Yankees playoff game with the bugs, but not the other games. My brothers were at the Seattle comeback game, but I was watching on TV.
It must have been great to see the Alomar home run, though I think the play has gotten even more impressive with time, seeing what Mariano and the Yankees did in the years after that postseason.
Il faut d'abord durer.
Yeah, I think it’s mine too. A jump-off-the-couch moment to be sure. And add in the feeling immediately after that – oh my God, the Indians are going to the World Series!
by TribeJay on Aug 6, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Definitely mine. Though, Orel doubling up Mike Mordecai after stabbing Marquis Grissom’s shot up the middle in the WS is at least a close second for me. The play where he was seen shouting “TAKE THAT! TAKE THAT!” as he stomped back to the dugout. Still gives me chills.
My primitive mind can't grasp these concepts.
I always loved the way he flipped his bat after a walk. If he were on the opposing team, I would have wanted him beaned for it. But for us, on that cocky team…it was great.
I used to think it was hilarious when he would do it and the umpire would call a strike.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Aug 9, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
This probably has already come up here, but this catch by an outfielder in the Japanese league has to be the best ever:
You know, I was too young at the time to know much about baseball managerial moves/trades/finances etc but I always wondered why we traded Kenny for Marquis Grissom in 97 when our club was peaking with him as one of its stars. Was there some non-baseball related reason? Was it stats-based? And when he returned as a free agent, did the team come to regret getting rid of him at that time? What was behind all of that?
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
Because we also got David Justice in the deal.
"I spoil a lot of people with my play." -Lebron James
Grissom was arguably a better fielder, and he did steal 70 bases several years prior. He played CF real shallow and seemed to a lot of bloops that Kenny wouldn’t, but he wasn’t nearly as sensational. Hart seemed to think that Grissom was underrated, and buying low on Justice was the key. It was a very good trade, but it was a painful one at the time, especially because I despised the Braves back then.
We had to replace Belle somehow. The Kenny trade was all business. I had wanted us to keep Kenny and play Giles and possibly Herb Perry in left instead, but it was a pleasure to watch Justice play. He was a great hitter. Justice’s injury-plagued career falls a little short, but he played like a HOFer, as did a half dozen or so other players from those teams.
Kenny is the man.
This is Simmons-level conspiracy theory, but I heard a long time ago that he and Jim Thome got in a fight late in 1996 in the clubhouse, over postgame music or some such nonsense. According to the story, Thome made his point forcefully enough that Lofton missed a few games with bruised ribs. In the offseason, with the team transitioning from a clubhouse where the dominant personalities were Belle, Baerga, and Murray to one in which they envisioned Thome, Vizquel, and Matt Williams becoming the leaders, they started looking for ways to get equal value back for Lofton, using his impending free agency as a cover. It took them until the last week of spring training, of course, to find the right deal.
In support of this theory, you have a few choice pieces of evidence. First—and this is strictly from the memory of a 14-year old kid gobbling up Indians-related tidbits (read: no link)—a few days before he signed, it was reported that he was spotted having dinner with Thome and Hargrove in Cleveland. Presumably, according to myth, to ask Thome for forgiveness, or his blessing to sign, or whatever. Second, you can see a little gap between September 4th and September 8th where those bruised ribs would have come into play.
True? Probably not. I certainly did not hear it from someone who would be in the know. But it’s an interesting little narrative behind that trade if you’re into that sort of thing… frankly, I am. There is a lot that goes on behind the scenes that we don’t know about. And most of my favorite stories are apocryphal anyway. After all, even Yogi never said half of the things he said.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Aug 6, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
PD: Word association
PD: Jim Thome?
KL: Very strong.
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
by mauichuck on Aug 6, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Great point.
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Aug 6, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Hah, yeah I’m into that. Sure.
Good stuff. Never knew anything about that stuff.
But acquisition of Justice to replace Belle certainly also makes a lot of sense. How exactly was that buying low, though? Didn’t he play a big role in crushing our dreams in the 95 world series? I remember him being one of their best hitters.
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Aug 6, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Not that I could add much to jhon’s description, but Justice missed the bulk of the ’96 season with a separated shoulder and was replaced adequately by Jermaine Dye. Justice-and-Grissom for Lofton seemed to relieve the crowded outfield… and then they traded Dye for Michael Tucker and even a 14-year-old kid said, “wait, what?”
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Aug 7, 2010 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Didn’t he play a big role in crushing our dreams in the 95 world series? I remember him being one of their best hitters.
I remember him homering off of Jim Poole in Game Six for the only run of the game.
Come on, four billion!
Yeah that too. That was depressing.
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Aug 9, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I think what you heard was a total load of crap.
The Lofton trade was a direct reaction to losing Belle to free agency — and it also was, arguably, the Indians’ first rational act in the face of impending free agency since Joe Carter. Hart (and possibly Jacobs) were deeply frustrated by the thought that the team had lost Belle “for nothing” and were determined not to let it happen again. Reports were unanimous that Lofton saw himself as a major star and intended to test free agency.
The motivation for the trade, and the return in talent, are self-evident. No gossipy little theory is needed to explain why they would do it, and there is no evidence to support such a theory anyway.
by Jay on Aug 8, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Also!
The Indians did not play between Sept 4 and Sept 8 that season. Thursday, Sept. 5 was an off-day. Friday and Saturday’s games were rained out, with one of them being made up in a Sunday double-header. The other game was never made up, which is why the team finished with only 161 games played.
Lofton started 25 games in a row from August 20 to September 17. Stick a fork in it.
by Jay on Aug 8, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
whatever went down behind the scenes i’m not certain, but i remember Kenny turning down a very healthy contract extension in the spring with intention to test free agency after the season.
he suffered an injury in ’97 with ATL and the market for him dropped somewhat, he wound up signing with the Tribe for significantly less than he turned down less than a year prior
the Justice/Grissom deal turned out very well for Cleveland, came within an eyelash of winning the Series that year & got Kenny back more cheaply for the next season
By the way, why can’t the Indians sign Kenny to a 1 day contract and actually let him play tomorrow night? Is he really going to be any worse than Crowe?
by millionairesrow on Aug 6, 2010 7:14 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
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In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Aug 7, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Why a one-day contract? Sign him for 2 months to finish out this season.
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Aug 8, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I had heard the reason Lofton was traded was because he pushed Jim Thome down a flight of stairs at the Pfister Hotel in Milwaukee, while Thome was recovering from a knee sprain and in a wheelchair. The press covered it up.
Did you notice Lofton didn’t play from Nov. 1st -Nov. 5th that year?
by Brad D on Aug 9, 2010 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Anything interesting, or just your basic “Weren’t those ’90s teams great?!” kind of reminiscing? I once interviewed Hammy and he said the scoring-from-second-on-passed-ball play was his favorite call of his career. So I’m sure that came up?
My primitive mind can't grasp these concepts.
It was very similar to the print piece (Hammy even referenced it). One highlight was Kenny elaborating on the ALCS play — he said that he drew the walk because the Big Unit always wanted to hit him after Kenny tried to bunt on him.
by JulioBernazard on Aug 9, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha. I have a friend who had a cup of coffee in the majors with a couple different teams. One of them was the Tigers. He was a pitcher but he was called up on the same day as his best friend (can’t remember the friend’s name) who was a position player. First game, they faced the Rangers and Nolan Ryan. The guy tried to drag bunt on Nolan and it trickled foul. Nolan said to the guy, “That’s how you get yourself hurt, son.” He drilled him between the shoulder blades on the next pitch.
My primitive mind can't grasp these concepts.
Nolan Ryan only hit one Tiger while a member of the Rangers: Larry Sheets, on May 17, 1990.
by FredOx on Aug 10, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
My friend’s a liar? The story’s gotten garbled over years of telling? I got my facts wrong? Maybe he just threw at the guy or behind the guy? However it happened that this story was a complete falsehood, consider me set straight.
My primitive mind can't grasp these concepts.
can’t remember the friend’s name
Larry Sheets
by Brick. on Aug 10, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Larry Sheets wasn’t a rookie in 1990, nor was my friend a Tiger in that year. Sounds like I might need to hear this story again.
My primitive mind can't grasp these concepts.
I think it’s an awesome story that you should continue to tell. Never let facts get in the way of a good story. If in fact Ryan hit your friend-of-a-friend, the most likely victim was Bobby Rose, a 2B for the Angels, who was plunked by Ryan in his eighth big league game on August 27, 1989. It was the second pitch of an AB, and the first pitch was a foul ball. That was the one and only time Ryan hit a batter in the batter’s first 10 big league games.
If that’s not it, he probably just buzzed one by his ear, which is also a cool story. Ryan hit 158 of 22,575 batters faced (0.69%), which is not all that many. Compare that to people like Don Drysdale (1.09%) or Pedro Martinez (1.24%).
by FredOx on Aug 10, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Yes, but you’ve inspired me to find out the true story. I can only hope it’s as cool as I made it out to be here. I’ve sent e-mails to the player in question as well as a mutual friend of ours. I’ll get to the bottom of this. When the dust settles, watch the story be more like the guy tried to bunt, the ball went foul and Nolan smiled and told him that bunting is a completely acceptable way for a young hitter to try to get on base, and somehow I’ve just been telling it wrong all these years.
My primitive mind can't grasp these concepts.
You’re certainly better at it, or at have better follow-through with it, than anyone else here.
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