Game 110: Indians 7, Twins 6
First of all...WOOOO!!
Still. the Indians should have won this game in a laugher.
Francisco Liriano, who had up to this point owned the Indians in 2010, lived on the outside corner through the early innings, and the Indians were ready for it. Michael Brantley and Asdrubal Cabrera led off the first with singles hit up the middle, and after Shin-Soo Choo grounded out, Shelley Duncan, normally a dead-pull hitter, went the other way on a outside pitch and drove in both runners with a double down the right field line. The Indians would tack on another run before Jason Donald struck out with runners at the corners. That strikeout was the first of several opportunities for the Indians to really put the game out of reach. Instead, the margin never quite got large enough.
The best opportunity to put the game away early came in the second; the Indians had put another run on the board, and had runners at the corners with nobody out. Liriano had created the mess by walking the first two batters of the inning, but he struck out Choo, Duncan, and LaPorta to keep the score 4-0. Had the Indians gotten that big hit, perhaps Liriano lasts only long enough to warm up a pitcher. Instead, he would pitch into the fifth before being removed, having walked six and given up seven hits but only four runs.
Jeanmar Gomez, the benefactor of these early runs, worked hard to put up zeros. The pinpoint control of his first start wasn't there, but he kept getting out of jams. He might have gotten through six, but Jayson Nix couldn't get rid of the ball quick enough on a potential double play ball, and Joe Mauer took out Jason Donald before the second baseman could make the turn. It's been painfully obvious over the past 10 days that Nix is a second baseman not accustomed to playing third; he's not going to embarrass you there if he plays there occasionally, but he's not a candidate to start. If, as Manny Acta said in his pre-game radio interview, one of the things holding the Indians back is defense, then why not play the guy on the roster who came up as a third baseman and has the necessary skills to play the position well? This is not Andy Marte versus Jared Goedert yet, or even Marte versus Lonnie Chisenhall; this is Andy Marte versus two second basemen trying to play third.
The Indians added insurance runs in the sixth and ninth, and normally that would have been enough for the bullpen to work with. But not tonight, for the Twins would score five runs in the last three innings off relievers that have been reliable. Manny Acta tried to push Justin Germano into the seventh, and it might have worked had Nix not booted a grounder with one out. That put a second runner on base, and Acta brought in Rafael Perez to get Denard Span and Alexi Casilla. Perez got Span, but Casilla hit a two-run double to bring the Twins to within striking distance.
In the eighth, Joe Smith, who stayed in to pitch to Jason Kubel because he was hitting between right-handed hitter, gave up a solo home run to the left-hander. Smith struck out Michael Cuddyer, and Andy Marte (who had been inserted as a defensive replacement) made a nice play to nab Danny Valencia for the third out. If Gomez can go an extra inning, maybe Acta could have played matchup in the eighth.
That left the ninth, and Chris Perez came in with a two-run lead thanks to that second insurance run. In true Twins fashion, JJ Hardy started things off with a perfectly-placed swinging bunt, setting the stage for Gardenhire to pinch-hit LGFT Jim Thome, who entered the at-bat 23 home runs short of becoming only the fifth Untainted™ member of the 600-HR Club. Thome probably hit his 578th home run just over the left field wall, but the blast was ruled as having hit off the top of the wall, and the replay was inconclusive. Gardenhire argued the replay, and was ejected, but didn't leave the field for several minutes, thus defeating one of the intended purposes of replays (speeding up play). The hubbub was moot, at least as far as the score was concerned, for Alexi Casilla lined one just over the glove of Perez to plate both runners, and the game was tied.
Then LaPorta led off the inning, and - WOO..erm, sorry - he launched a home run into the left-field bleachers, giving the Indians their first walk-off homer of the season, and yet another contender a crucial defeat.

| Highest WPA | Lowest WPA | ||
| Matt LaPorta | .362 | PURE RAGE | -.284 |
| Jeanmar Gomez | .121 | Jason Donald | -.065 |
| Asdrubal Cabrera | .114 | Lou Marson | -.062 |
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I’m loving the tail end of that fangraph
Welcome to the Marte Parte
by tribefan2510 on Aug 7, 2010 12:12 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
If, as Manny Acta said in his pre-game radio interview, one of the things holding the Indians back is defense, then why not play the guy on the roster who came up as a third baseman and has the necessary skills to play the position well? This is not Andy Marte versus Jared Goedert yet, or even Marte versus Lonnie Chisenhall; this is Andy Marte versus two second basemen trying to play third.
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by westbrook on Aug 7, 2010 12:51 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I’ve come to believe that Andy Marte will never be given a fair shake and that it’s a fait accompli that he goes on to another team to have wild success. I wish it would just happen already so we could move on with our lives (except the clecom crowd, who will never forgive.)
by NickFantana on Aug 7, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
At this point I’m trying to concoct legitimate scenarios in which two separate coaching staffs on non-contending teams refuse to find chances for their best defensive third baseman to play. I keep thinking maybe Marte has some real attitude issues and can’t stop getting on their bad side, that he’s a pain in the ass to have around. But why even keep him then?
Steel Nick
Exactly. There aren’t any good reasons, it will continue to mystify us. He’ll eventually be claimed on waivers and be very good for someone else. I am certain.
That picture makes me feel better. How the game went down, I would classify it as a cheap win. But having Laporta take that next step to becoming a key piece of a winning team is beautiful.
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin
by Spidey on Aug 7, 2010 9:01 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Are we assuming that Thome was clean his whole career? I know there are no allegations or rumors out there, and I hope it’s not just residual anti-Thome sentiment from me, but I’ve always figured he’s just one of those guys using that got through the net.
Il faut d'abord durer.
why? what’s your reasoning?
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
I think me reasoning is pretty straightforward, isn’t it? Thome was a bulked up slugger in a prodigious PED era, a time that we’ve learned was running rampant with users on every club.
What’s the reasoning against it? That he’s a nice, simple man? Plenty of nice guys have used.
Steel Nick
The reasoning against it is that there’s never even been a rumor of Thome using. I don’t think it’s impossible that a few sluggers were on the up-and-up. I wouldn’t be surprised to hear Thome was juicing, but until I even see a rumor of it, I have no reason to believe he was.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
He got huge and was pretty skinny in minor leagues. He has maintained a certain bulky figure that doesn’t seem normal, IMO.
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Aug 7, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
The evolution of Thome’s body size has been totally normal. I swear, haven’t you people ever actually known a guy from age 20 to age 40? Seen photos? Especially for a pro athlete. Guys are skinny in the minors, especially the big power prospects — that’s called “projectability.” And almost every guy adds upper body muscle in his late 20s and becomes larger overall in his 30s.
by Jay on Aug 8, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s an awful lot of “upper body muscle” he’s added there. He just became a giant, regardless of what he used to look like, his current “physique” doesn’t look natural to me.
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Aug 8, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Are we 100% sure Ruth, Mays or Aaron weren’t juicing?
"sometimes the internet is hard for me." - ClemsonGirl
by world dictator on Aug 7, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
we are about 80% sure Mays was on amphetamines
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
If you’re going to call amphetamines "juicing"—which it isn’t—you’ll have to effectively eliminate every player between the period of 1965 and 1990. Even the purest player.
Check out Notthatnoise above with 80 percent certainty that Willie Mays took greenies. Objection. And what is the implied relevance of that?
Now I’m not sure what you’re asking. He said,
we are about 80% sure Mays was on amphetamines
And you replied,
If you’re going to call amphetamines "juicing"—which it isn’t
And my reply was that he didn’t say amphetamines was juicing, he was saying that Mays (probably) took amphetamines. In this case, “juicing” would be steroids. What kind of difference that makes can be left to Brad’s discussion below.
Steel Nick
If amphetamines are not juicing, then what relevance is it here? It’s like pointing out that Willie Mays was born in Alabama. NTN makes an implied connection between taking amphetamines and taking steroids. I see that as a specious implication.
Amphetamines and steroids are both performance enhancers. I’m not sure what exactly you mean by “juicing”, but they both artificially help players (although the extent of their help is unknown).
. . . says the man from Columbus.
There is no “Amphetamine Era” because there are no head-turning, record-breaking, precedent-shattering statistical anomalies that leap out of any examination of the baseball numbers circa 1965-1975. Whereas the top six all-time HR seasons, to cite an obscure and insignificant statistic, were accomplished between 1998 and 2001.
by YoDaddyWags on Aug 8, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
But there were many other factors that contributed to all those home runs besides just possible use of steroids.
Also, players like Mike Schmidt and Hank Aaron have admitted to using amphetamines — how do we know how many extra home runs Aaron hit because he was taking greenies?
You’re right, though, that it’s all about perception. That’s exactly the point. People make judgements without knowing all the facts.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
Many people can relate to using amphetamines and other stimulants. I’ve used them. I don’t understand why they’ve been regulated. I don’t see the harm in them, since just about any jackass doing anything else can do all the amphetamines they’d like to the extent that it improves their abilities.
I can’t relate to steroids at all. I’ve never even seen one. When I played HS sports a decade again I was aware of rumors that a few people used them.
Amphetamines and steroids are both performance enhancers.
Henry Aaron came into the National League in 1954 and played in the NL through 1974, the year he broke Babe Ruth’s career home run total. The league had a 407 SA his first year, a 742 OPS, and hit 0.9 HR per game. Those numbers held up pretty much until 1963, when a little ice age hit ML bats; over the next dozen years, OPS would rise over 700 only in 1970, SA would not hit 400 and HR/G would bounce between a low of 0.55, in 1968, and a high of 0.87, in 1970. If amphetamine use was a performance enhancer, then something in the statistical record should jump out, but if there’s anything there, you’ll have to point it out to me.
Let’s just put this argument to bed, shall we? Let’s take the publication of Jim Bouton’s Ball Four in 1970—which blew the lid off the rampant use of amphetamines in MLB— as a midpoint in an amphetamine era that we’ll say runs from 1965 to 1975, and compare it to a similar 11-season run in the steroid era, 1994-2004. If you take a range of 18 offensive categories and see how many top-20 single-season performances each era contributed, you get 4 for the ‘amphetamine era’, and 83 for the ‘steroid era’.
Does this prove anything about steroids? Absolutely not. But it does confirm that amphetamines are not performance enhancers, because quite simply performance was not enhanced.
But there were many other factors that contributed to all those home runs besides just possible use of steroids.
I didn’t really want to get into this argument, because for whatever reason, the steroid issue makes people get loony. Cheating in baseball has always been part of its charm, actually: Graig Nettles’ bat exploding and a half-dozen super balls strafing the infield; Jason Grimsley crawling through the ductwork to retrieve Albert Belle’s confiscated bat—these things are funny. Baseball used to be funny, and fun. It was fun to see if someone could break Ruth’s 60, and then Maris’ 61. In July of 1969, my little league pals and I went to see Reggie Jackson, with 34 homers already, play the White Sox at County Stadium in Milwaukee (part of a Bud Selig campaign to lure the Chisox there permanently). Reggie went 0 for 4. When McGwire and Sosa came along, we all fell for it. Even my coworkers on a magazine that featured upper east side Manhattan debutantes crowded into the conference room to watch on the night McGwire hit 62.
And then came Androstenedione, and then all the other steroid revelations. Fine, I can live without a lodestar stat like HR; there are plenty of other new and fun stats to play with (RATBOP, anyone?).
Yes, other things than steroids could be at work here; the FanShot you posted offers up changes to the baseball itself as the culprit, and this is worthy of more study—though the superstructure Eric Walker has built on a foundation that consists of five baseballs of indeterminate parentage and an unknown storage history looks, I submit, ludicrous.
I believe in Truth and Reconciliation, not punishments, and I am happy to believe in Brady Anderson’s righteousness. But. Many of the top offensive performances are owned either by guys who admit to taking steroids or by guys who have been implicated through court testimony in having done so. Did their steroid use create all sorts of new baseball records? I don’t know, but pardon me if I look askance at those records.
Also, players like Mike Schmidt and Hank Aaron have admitted to using amphetamines — how do we know how many extra home runs Aaron hit because he was taking greenies?
This makes me sad. Neither Scmidt nor Aaron did anything to deserve to be included in this discussion.
by YoDaddyWags on Aug 8, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
The comparison you did is not fair at all, and I think you know it. Stats in baseball have gone up and down over its long history (as the FanShot I posted details). Offensive numbers were down across the board in the 60’s and 70’s compared to today because of many factors, so just looking at the records set then compared to now is unfair. Just as comparing Sandy Koufax’s ERA to pitchers today would be unfair. Expansion, size of ballparks, strike zone and umpiring, and many other factors have changed baseball over the past decades. Just like comparing the numbers from NFL QB’s today to numbers from the 70’s would be unfair.
And the study Walker did was based on much, much more than just 5 baseballs. I hope you read enough to understand that and didn’t just make judgements based on a few paragraphs you read. He takes a detailed look at how offensive numbers have changed in baseball over the last 100 years, and there have been many eras of drastic changes besides the steroid era. How do you explain those?
I have nothing against Mike Schmidt or Hank Aaron or anyone else. As you said, cheating has always been a part of baseball. I just hate how players from the past decade have been villified by the media and fans while they hold the players from the past up as moral figures. Baseball players have always done whatever they could to gain an advantage (or if they thought they were gaining an advantage). Just because there weren’t any big offensive numbers in the 70’s doesn’t mean that amphetamines didn’t enhance performance. Besides, pitchers were using them too, right?
The point is that we just don’t know as much as we think we know about steroids, and the assumptions people have been making for a decade may be wrong.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Aug 8, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
The Rhode Island study is patently useless. First, one random and unverified baseball gets to stand for an entire year’s output of MLB balls. Without knowing the provenance of the balls, how they were stored, what the impact of age on them is, what the impact of a game-used ball is (assuming they were game used), the only thing that bouncing those baseballs can show is that, gee, this new shiny ball bounces higher than that old, dusty one. The other study he cites is the core imaging one. What happens to the inside of a baseball between 1917 and 2000? Something? Nothing? I don’t know. Do you know? Does anyone know? What they’ve shown in these scans is simply what baseballs of different ages looked like in 2000. To then assert, from this scanning, that the 2000 baseball will travel 48 more feet than the 1942 baseball is to express a certitude that is just not credible. As the Lowell man says in explaining why they didn’t test earlier balls, “You wouldn’t have known whether the age of the ball and the storage of the ball had affected it.” So, as science, both these studies are junk. Yet from these studies he splices out the uptick in power numbers that occurred after 1993 entirely, thus erasing the whole controversy.
His conspiracy-theory attitude to MLB is shrill; even his little flourishes are telling: his guys are “a team” of “Professors”; countering them are MLB’s Lowell “lads”.
Look, he may be right about the baseballs, but you can’t expect me to go further into this drink when the first two glassfuls are this brackish.
The distance a batted ball will travel increases with increased bat velocity; the muscles that are useful in generating this velocity include the shoulders, abdominals and lower back muscles. You can visit many steroid-user sites and learn the best ways to shoot up into your deltoid muscle, for instance, or glean other useful advice about getting those six-pack abs.
It is entirely fair to compare different eras statistically; that’s how you learn what distinguishes them. We know that all those big individual offensive numbers put up by guys in the 20s and 30s have to be taken in the context of their day’s norms. We know that there are two Sandy Koufaxes, the one that pitched extremely well around the various NL parks, and the one who was next to unhittable at home. We know that we have just gone through an offensive era seldom matched in baseball history. We may not necessarily know why. And we know that there is nothing about the period of 1965-75 that indicates any enhanced offensive performance, compared to all other baseball eras, as measured by baseball’s statistics. If amphetamines boosted offensive performance, you would see more amphetamine-era players bumping their way onto the leaderboards. If you suggest that the reason this is so is that pitchers used greenies too, I can only say: the first rule of the Tautology Club is the first rule of the Tautology Club.
I have no interest in vilifying modern era players. And Mike Schmidt and Henry Aaron are no saints. But who wants them to be? The point is that there are quantifiable reasons for suspecting that Mark McGwire’s admitted steroid use may have had an impact on his 70-home run season. If you think that PEDs allowed Henry Aaron to hit 47 home runs in 1971, show me the analysis. Or just let it drop.
by YoDaddyWags on Aug 9, 2010 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I just want to add that performance can be enhanced in many ways besides just hitting home runs. Maybe taking amphetamines didn’t help them hit home runs at all, but maybe they helped give them the extra energy to beat a throw to first where they would have otherwise been out by a half-step.
I don’t thinks greenies helped players hit home runs, but I do think they were preformance enhancers in some respects. The problem I have is with the hypocracy by the media and the fans.
I have no interest in vilifying modern era players.
Then you are different from many fans and most sportswriters.
And Mike Schmidt and Henry Aaron are no saints. But who wants them to be?
All the writers who claim that its unfair that players like Bonds and McGwire broke records held by those players who were “clean” and never took any unnatural substances to enhance performance. And all the fans who complain that “players in my generation would never do things like that.”
. . . says the man from Columbus.
Hell, Schmidt came right out and said he probably would have juiced in this era. A lot of others have said they wouldn’t have, but walk a mile in another man’s shoes …
by Jay on Aug 9, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Is coffee a performance enhancer? Tea? Whiskey? Travel by train? Day games? Segregation?
Really, there are so many factors that it seems preposterous to suggest taking an amphetamine allows a player to beat a throw to first.
That line is really no more blurry than the line between medicinal steroid use and performance enhancement.
What exactly is “medicinal steroid use?”
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Aug 11, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
The original performance enhancer.

by YoDaddyWags on Aug 10, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I think you nitpick as a hobby.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Aug 8, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Well, thank you. But I don’t see this as nitpicking. It’s a ridiculous assertion, and it tars a player who has no comparison with Mark McGwire and Sammy Sosa. To suggest amphetamines are even roughly equivalent to coritcosteroids is plain idiotic. How’s that—better?
by odradek on Aug 8, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Amphetamines are preformance enhancers just as much as steroids are, which is why it’s so amusing that the public and the media are rushing to judge all the steroid users from the 90’s and 00’s without saying anything about the players in the generation before who used ampthetamines. The double standard is so hypocritical, and it’s been pointed out by many people.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
Medical people, weigh in. But amphetamines are largely for energy and the like, aren’t they?
Steel Nick
So how does that not enhahnce performance? If you give your body more energy doesn’t that help you play sports, especially if you’re recovering from an injury or playing the second game of a doubleheader or been out drinking late the night before? It most certainly is a performance enhancer.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
there are other ways to boost performance than getting stronger. Mays said Amphetamines helped him keep focused and ready to go every day, which you gotta admit would be pretty useful to a baseball player.
I’ll put it this way, aderol doesn’t make you smarter, but it sure makes you a better student.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
Gardenhire WAS ejected. You are not allowed the argue the replay decision, so apparently the umpires figure it was so automatic that it didn’t require a demonstrative ejection.
I honestly believe we’ll finish 3rd in the division. May not have a winning record, but we’ll be middle of the pack. And that would be quite an accomplishment given the injuries to key players, trades and AAA team we’re fielding these days.
I just want to believe.
The remaining schedule is in our favor as well. We have 14 games left against teams well over .500 (CWS – 6, Minn – 8, [NY, TB, Bos, Tx] – 0), 15 games left against teams around .500 (Det – 6, LAA – 6, Oak – 3, Tor – 0) and 23 games left against teams with records well below .500 (KC – 13, Sea – 7, Bal – 3). Thats 44% of our games against “weak” teams. For Detroit these totals are 25, 6, 22; and for KC they are 23, 15, 15. Of course, this means that there is a scheduling bias that should temper our enthusiasm for any late season run.
It’s a remarkable run: Cleveland hasn’t finished in last place since 1991.
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin
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