Game Thread: September 1, 2010
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Those bottom 5 spots in the lineup really weren’t what I would have expected at the start of the season (Nix, Brown, Duncan, Donald, Gimenez).
83 mph fastball for Garcia? Can that be right?
by millionairesrow on Sep 1, 2010 12:18 PM EDT reply actions
MLBTV only has the Chicago broadcast, for some reason. WHY DID THIS HAVE TO HAPPEN AGAINST THE SOX OF ALL TEAMS - I HATE THE HAWK
From, Ben
He is so awful.
WTAM+video is always the best option
Len Barker Perfect Game Attendee
by PortlandVinny on Sep 1, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
How does that work, anyway? Does STO actually choose not to broadcast? I believe broadcasters just get X number of games every year.
Steel Nick
With everyone shitting on Manny, there’s a real chance he gets Bobby Abreu’d or even Jermaine Dye’d this offseason. I absolutely 100% support a signing of, oh I don’t know, $7 million or less for one year if possible.
Steel Nick
I’ve never been bothered by the “antics,” and he is absolutely one of the greatest hitters I’ve ever seen personally. His decline is vastly exaggerated.
Steel Nick
How many teams will be looking for a DH this offseason?
by millionairesrow on Sep 1, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Whatever the antics were, they appear to have occurred mostly since Manny left Cleveland. Cleveland’s memory of Manny is unsullied by any antics such as quitting on the team. And Dolan got scapegoated as a cheapskate, despite apparently offering Manny a 5 year/$100 million contract to stay.
"If Brown is the answer, then you’re asking the wrong question." - Ryan
Seriously (is there an echo in here?). They’d both be trade fodder anyway. And I’ll agree with one Cle.com thought process – not every business decision should be a pure baseball decision – there is a huge contingent of fans that would rather see Omar and Manny than Nix and Duncan.
Different prices – different skills. Omar’s wanted and played daily by a competitive team. He’s basically like adding a coach who can play and teach. Ozzie loves him. Acta would love him too. Manny would add a legitimate bat to our lineup, like Hafner. Not what he used to be, but legitimate nonetheless, and RH to boot.
I think you vastly overrate Vizquel’s skills. He’s had a slight offensive uptick this year, but it looks like dead cat bounce to me.
The point is there are a lot of Vizquels we could get that are likely to be better and definitely will be younger. Manny is still Manny and there are a handful of guys in baseball with his skillset, diminished as it may be. Nostalgia is nice but Manny would be plenty enough for me.
Steel Nick
I think you vastly underrate Vizquel’s skills. They don’t show up in numbers. And nostalgia can be good business as long as it doesn’t get in the way of a good prospect or an important roster spot. If it does either of those things, I wouldn’t defend it.
They don’t show up in numbers.
What, then? Leadership? Coaching ability? I feel like you just assume Vizquel has these qualities. No one on this team has a connection to Vizquel besides Sandy, and he doesn’t play, so to all these kids his presence would be just as inspirational as Random Replacement Level Veteran.
as long as it doesn’t get in the way of a good prospect or an important roster spot.
Well, he ain’t starting in the middle infield. You can either give him the starting job at third base or the utility spot.
I love Vizquel. But there’s a lot more stretching we have to do to rationalize him on this roster than Manny, isn’t there?
Steel Nick
Not to disagree with your basic premise, but Asdrubal does wear his number.
by Jay on Sep 1, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, Omar is revered almost universally by latin infielders. And to answer your question above, I don’t know if it’s leadership (though he does set an incredible example of taking care of your body and your work), but he would certainly have things to pass on to Asdrubal, Donald, Valbuena, Nix, etc. regarding how to play the infield. Plus, he’s always been adept at situational hitting (opp field, bunts, etc., stuff that is a bad idea until you need to do it). Good late inning glove/bat bench role.
Everything important shows up in the numbers. If Omar OPS’ .600, he’s hurting the team. There are no two ways about it.
That’s just not totally true. Most important things show up in some numbers. Baseball is not played by robots. If you’re telling me that player A’s numbers aren’t affected by who the manager is and who players B, C, and D are around him, then I just am not buying what you’re selling. I’m not saying baseball isn’t a numbers game, but I am saying that it isn’t purely numbers.
It is purely numbers. The statistics tell all. If someone is OPS’ing .600 it doesn’t matter what they bring, they hurt the team. Conversely, if Barry Bonds is a raging ass all year and OPS’ 1.150, he helped your team immensely. The rest of it about intangibles and that is just noise.
Sorry, but this is just a rediculous strawman argument. Sure you’re right, but you’re applying your square facts to a round problem. I’m a finance/economics lawyer, I love numbers and believe that nearly all things can be quantified, but which numbers are at issue here? Relative OPS (or wOPS), defensive stats (suck), the value of business goodwill with fans, 40 roster spots, any more? But what about late game sac bunts, or moving a player over – Marte, Valbuena, and Nix are plainly worthless at it.
Nix is OPSing 60-70 points higher than Omar! And his D is atrocious. I’m not arguing that Omar should play in front of Nix, or Goedert, or Marte, so don’t argue that with me. I’m just saying that given our alternatives, Omar’s intangibles may outweigh 60-70 OPS and bad D.
Plus, if you think Omar retiring as an Indian wouldn’t be a smart business move for Shap, Antonetti, and Dolan, then please explain to me how you value goodwill (this comment totally includes the previous thread post that admits the ultimate dilemma here is a roster spot). So, I’m open to your argument: tell me how the real situation at hand is purely numbers.
I already have.
A. The argument of good business is completely separate from the argument that Omar’s intangibles help the development of the young players.
B. This team is not in a position where a marginal defensive upgrade is useful at all. And yes, I said marginal. By almost any metric, Omar is now a league average fielder. I don’t expect that or his offense to get any better when he turns 44.
C. In baseball, everything is tangible. Omar hits poorly and fields mediocrely, how does that help a young team? Every at bat he makes is one taken away from someone who is probably a better hitter than he is. That hurts the team’s chances of winning. Omar’s WAR this year is .2, even Jayson Nix has managed a 1.1. Those are numbers, and they show who has helped his team win more.
D. There is no way to prove that intangibles mean anything when it comes to performance. The numbers reflect the entire story. At the most extreme, a triple slash line tells you almost everything you need to know about whether someone is helping or hurting a team. All the media created intangibles and nostalgia in the world don’t change the fact that a .550 OPS hurts a team. All the rest is still just noise.
A. Right, my point exactly.
B. You’re underestimating his glove. You should manage a team if you know more than Ozzie Guillen.
C. Almost nothing in this world can sustain a claim of “everything,” let alone baseball. Is Nix’s WAR adjusted for 2B and Omar’s for 3B? Even if not, I’m still arguing that a young team benefits from some diversity. Monocultures suck most of the time in nature. Humans are a part of nature. Is Omar the best vet we can sign? Unlikely, but price, business, and intangibles count. It may not apply here – that’s Acta and Antonetti’s job to figure out, but your argument that it never counts is interesting.
D. You keep revising his OPS down. There is no NEED to prove intangibles. If ballplayers believe it and fans like it, then it MIGHT be worth it. But, you’re right, if he OPSed .550, then Nix’s .750 would be better. But if he OPSed .700, then it MIGHT not. You’re arguing really hard for and against the most insignificant assertions. I’m only questioning your adamance, not your substance. You can’t just accept that the numbers pick up 99% of the story, and that they’re not good enough to pick up an undefined 1%? Even that’s a stretch, but I’ll accept that. “Everything?” Sorry, I can’t accept that.
I’m not underestimating his glove and I do know more than Ozzie Guillen, a lot of people do. There is no metric that shows Omar as anything other than league average. I know defensive metrics are iffy, but they all agree on this one.
I have yet to use an OPS number that Omar hasn’t posted in the last five years. His .691 this year looks like a minor bounceback against an inevitable trend. You still haven’t shown where any sort of intangible helps at all. If it does, it’s reflected in the stats, which means they show everything.
How about you tell how the situation at hand isn’t purely numbers? How do you know Vizquel is like a coach on the field? What makes you think he’s going to have any sort of nostalgic value? Sure clecom clamors for him in January when Jhonny is in line for another year of featuring in the lineup; how do you think they’ll feel in August when we’re on our way to another 90 losses, Vizquel has been killing rallies for two months with his .620 OPS, and Goedert or the Chiz or whoever is ripping the tits off the ball in AAA? Do you really think Asdrubal’s mindset is going to benefit from playing with the last guy who wore his number and played his position? Do you know that any of our young guys are going to want to be blessed with Vizquel’s wisdom rather than being pissed off by it?
At best, you get a hole in the lineup who might sell some tickets on his bobblehead day if you put it early enough in the season that people haven’t realized he’s going to kill us all year. At worst, you’ve wasted money and a roster spot on a 44-year-old has been who irritates the young guys by trying to tell them how to play while he pretends he still has it. Good move? Give me a break.
Come on, four billion!
The counter-argument to this would come in defensive numbers, none of which I really trust. If Vizquel comes in and “saves” as many runs on defense as NiMarBa add to the ledger on the offensive side, it’s much more of a compelling argument.
Like I said, I don’t understand or trust the defensive metrics enough to make this argument, but Omar for 1/2 of a season at 3B upgrades the club defensively. What the net effect of offense vs. defense is up against, let’s say, Nix is the real issue.
3B defense needs to upgraded and a “stop-gap” is preferred because you could have The Chiz “ripping the tits off the ball” and you don’t want anyone blocking him in that case.
If Omar isn’t a logical “stop-gap”, I’d like to hear who is.
by The DiaTriber on Sep 1, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
If you’re OK with that glove, where he looks woefully out of position, I can buy it as I think he has value to the team as a RH utility guy with some pop down the road.
But as an everyday 3B…I need to be convinced.
by The DiaTriber on Sep 1, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
See above. I never said he should play in front of Goedert or Chis. I specifically said he should not. I only said he MAYBE COULD play in front of NiMarBuena. I qualified that by saying that a .50-70 point difference in OPS might be worth it, but more than that probably wouldn’t. And what contract are we talking about here? $2 mil? Not worth it. Minor league or NRI? Maybe. That roster spot is the best argument against signing him or anybody who wouldn’t be expected to OPS 900+.
And I’ve never seen any evidence that anybody has anything but respect for Omar and his intelligence, work ethic, and baseball skills. Unless he’s a major asshole (no evidence of such), anybody who has a problem taking advice from him is probably a prima donna and it wouldn’t hurt to identify them as such. This isn’t Milton Bradley we’re talking about here.
And finally, a hole in the lineup that sells tickets might be better than a hole in the lineup that doesn’t. Shapiro has mentioned that the Indians pride themselves on treating players well – that reputation benefits a small market team. I can see that factoring into a non-roster invite.
I’m not sure why you’re so easily assuming he sells tickets. In 2007, when the Indians traded for Kenny Lofton, they got a significant uptick in attendance for all of 3 days. Once that weekend ended, they were back to drawing crowds in the 20,000’s. Kenny Lofton, who was in the midst of a pretty good season and on a legitimate contender drew the attention of the cle.com crowd for all of three days, but we should believe that Vizquel, who should be a utility player and on a team that would be pretty happy to reach .500, is going to make a significant change in the number of fans over the season? I’m not buying it.
Omar alone wouldn’t absolve this FO in many people’s eyes (myself not included – I generally am supportive of their strategy), but it could be a start. I’ve thought for some time that the Indians could do better marketing their product, and while the salary could be cheap, the roster spot would not.
Could is the operative word here. Omar could bring back fans. Omar could be a mentor to our young players. Omar could have the intangibles that pushes him all the way ahead of Nix. Or none of that could be true.
If you’re telling me that player A’s numbers aren’t affected by who the manager is and who players B, C, and D are around him, then I just am not buying what you’re selling.
Well, okay, but the burden of proof is on you to show the naysayers that Vizquel improves this club. We have better evidence that supports him negatively affecting a club in 2011. You have, “His intangibles might inspire everyone.”
And that’s might. Omar may just as well be a self-centered ass. He’s a fun guy, I don’t think you’ll get argument there, and the press likes him, sure, but that doesn’t mean he’s willing to go out of his way to help anyone but Omar. He’s flashy, loves the limelight, wrote a book about himself, and used to speed around Cleveland in the brightest yellow sports car I’ve ever seen. I don’t think he is, but he could be just as much Roger Dorn as Mother Theresa. How the hell do we know?
Steel Nick
The burden isn’t on me because I’m not saying he would. I’m actually only saying that if the front office thought the production was sufficiently close to any of the losers we already have, and that in addition to that he brought some intangibles that helped – goodwill with fans, mentor for whoever, late inning pinch hit/defensive sub, whatever – and that the contract was right, then I’d support the FO in that decision rather than oppose it. That’s it. I think Nix could actually be exceeding his ability right now.
I don’t think Nix is exceeding his ability, because Nix by and large has sucked, and Nix by and large sucks. So, par for the course.
All of the potential benefits you’ve mentioned apply to Ken Griffey, Jr apart from defensive sub.
Steel Nick
I think it is a misstatement to say that Nix has sucked
by APV on Sep 2, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok, fair point. He’s slugged .497. I think I’ve had this discussion with someone before, but there’s nothing to suggest he can ever do this again or that this is his true talent. He’s never touched .497, not even in the minors (save the a couple hundred ABs before he was called up in 2008). He’s 27, so maybe, but I would bet a lot of money against it.
I think a full 2011 of Jayson Nix is something like an 85-90 OPS+. I don’t see his glove making up for it. I have nothing to back this up, because even though that’s closer to his track record, it’s such a small track record. So who knows. He has a value to a team, but I think we can do better.
Steel Nick
How is he a coach? What evidence is there that he coaches other players or that any other players want to hear anything he has to say?
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Sep 1, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
White Sox haven’t put a single player that they’ve drafted out there today. A Ramirez, I think, is the only player that made his ML debut with them.
And we’ve got…Choo, Brown and Giminez?
by millionairesrow on Sep 1, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Gimenez was drafted by the Rockies…so we’ve each got 1 original draftee
by millionairesrow on Sep 1, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
We at least have a number of players who made their debut in an Indians uniform. I’m not sure if that means anything.
Steel Nick
its something to do while killing a lunch hour at the office
by millionairesrow on Sep 1, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
ah, my bad, drafted but unsigned by the Rockies in 01
by millionairesrow on Sep 1, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah. We’re really in the weeds now, but they don’t have any draftees. Alexei Ramirez was a minor league free agent, and the expensive kind. Every one of their players was established. They just build a different kind of team.
My office blocks almost every sports website imaginable, so I’m watching this on projo.com’s gamecast. Thanks, Providence Journal.
Come on, four billion!
Whoops. Hammy just had a case of mistaken identity. Thought Hawk was any other broadcaster in all of baseball (said he’s great at what he does).
Steel Nick
What was for lunch? I’m feeling rather depressed about my Stouffers Philly Cheesesteak I am eating right now.
Red meat is good for anyone about to give blood, right? I’m giving blood after work. Suggestions for consumption apart from lots of water?
Steel Nick
I’m counting barbacoa from Chipotle.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Sep 1, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Who gets the axe in the great 40-man shakeout in November?
by Jay on Sep 1, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
TonyIPI
#Indians RHP Alex White officially placed on inactive list for #Aeros, looks like he is done for year (and should be with 150 IP). #Clippers
I like that Tony drives that last point home before people start bitching again.
Steel Nick
Soccer. Almost everyone here are EPL fanatics. I think I’m the only one following MLB in this country.
Same. There’s an amateur baseball association website that lists activities up to 2005. They have a primer on “How to start the baseball playing” that’s well worth a read:
http://www.baseball.or.th/7aboutbaseball_2_en.htm
Some choice quotes:
You may have known that famous athletes are capable to throw at 150 km./hr or hit the home run through the 350-400 feet field.
And:
Baseball Player should know to eat. When we hungry shall eat , some consume their favorite . But athlete shall eating is more important because food they consume turn into their power and restore their muscle capability. The athlete should know how to eat effectively.
From, Ben
You live there?
I used to live in Chiang Mai (2002-2004)
Len Barker Perfect Game Attendee
by PortlandVinny on Sep 1, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Moved there just to get away, had just gotten married. Just traveled up and down at first. Then settled at a magazine in CM (www.irrawaddy.org). Had Ohio friends who have lived there for 15+ years who helped out a lot. Met any Ohio people there?
Len Barker Perfect Game Attendee
by PortlandVinny on Sep 1, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
You know, I have actually. A couple of friends (also students) are big football fans, and she’s from NE Ohio and roots for the Browns. I also have a Thai friend who has family in Ohio. With all the farang in BKK, I can only imagine there are more.
From, Ben
Are you at Chulalogkhorn?
I remember being at some Cajun restaurant in BKK watching the Browns-Steelers play-off game in 02? 03? Anyway, Browns were up big and the guy running the place was giving us a look like “are you guys really gonna stay here until 4AM” so we bailed. Found out the next morning the Browns blew it. Didn’t believe it at first. Went back to same restaurant the next day to watch the replay (wife is from Pittsburgh and insisted).
Len Barker Perfect Game Attendee
by PortlandVinny on Sep 1, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m affiliated with a faculty member at Chula, and I took an intensive language course there, but the connection isn’t that strong really. I’m doing dissertation fieldwork, based at NYU. I enjoy Bangkok a lot, in spite of all the stuff.
I’m trying to remember where I watched that Browns-Steelers game. Certainly not in BKK. I laughed.
My plan this year, I think, is to get the nfl.com package or whatever and just watch the games in the morning. 1:00-4:00 a.m. just doesn’t work for me.
From, Ben
What is your dissertation subject, if you don’t mind my asking. Most of my friends from there are journos with advanced degrees in SE Asian topics.
I like BKK too but was usually over the traffic and crowds after a week or so. CM was a perfect size for us. Plenty big to have great places to eat and drink but also small enough to have clean air and well-placed for good road trips. Only complaint was too far from the beach.
Len Barker Perfect Game Attendee
by PortlandVinny on Sep 1, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Music and sound in public space. I’m interested in music and protest stuff at the moment. It’s quite rich.
The traffic is nuts here, but the skytrain helps a lot.
From, Ben
Very rich indeed. Seems like things have cooled down though lately.
My favorite Thai protest was a 2 night “sit in” that the Northern Rice Whisky distillers did in CM when the guy from Singha tried to get his cronies to regulate Lao Khao and make the homemade stuff illegal. Fun times, and a stage with music.
Len Barker Perfect Game Attendee
by PortlandVinny on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure how cool or hot things are right now. Media coverage certainly ebbed but there’s real tension yet.
That sit-in sounds amazing. They really know how to make such things into a party here.
From, Ben
I really enjoyed the emphasis on community and taking care of each other. Lots of corruption sure but not the cutthroat nature of USA. When you throw in a genuine love of food it was quite heavenly at times.
Len Barker Perfect Game Attendee
by PortlandVinny on Sep 1, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed, very much. I really find myself in a different head space after being here for a while. I love how much people care about plants and stray animals and the homeless and so on. It’s wonderful. It makes you a better person to be among it.
Of course there are also serious negatives, but the above are great.
From, Ben
skytrain does rule. My friend lived right off the Chit Lom stop.
Len Barker Perfect Game Attendee
by PortlandVinny on Sep 1, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
September brings warm nights to SF. Will Lincecum warm up after losing all 5 games in August? May be my last in-person game of the season.
Indians are too weak this year to warrant the trek to Seattle or LA this week. Game in April in Oakland will have to suffice.
Indians return to SF in 2011.
I will be at Safeco Saturday and Sunday. But only a 3 hour drive.
Len Barker Perfect Game Attendee
by PortlandVinny on Sep 1, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
From Aaron Gleeman via Twitter
What are the odds that the Indians’ bullpen can get five outs without blowing a two-run lead?
"If Brown is the answer, then you’re asking the wrong question." - Ryan
Of all the problems with this team, I don’t feel like the back end of the bullpen is high enough up the list to merit this kind of pessimism.
Come on, four billion!
Agree, they have been very good for the most part
Len Barker Perfect Game Attendee
by PortlandVinny on Sep 1, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
The only redeeming thing about this is that the White Sox still aren’t a very good team and still aren’t going to make the playoffs.
From, Ben
But Hammy just said that they’re a playoff team because they find ways to win!
"If Brown is the answer, then you’re asking the wrong question." - Ryan
I think the last run is going on Acta’s ERA for watching the Sox hit two rockets, having a LHP warmed up, and letting Carrasco face and walk Pierre.
he still doesn’t get the loss though, right?
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
It might make a difference to CC’s confidence.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
That’s pretty insecure if the meaningless stat of starting pitcher wins and losses will make or break someone’s confidence. He made need a psychiatrist if that’s the case.
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Sep 1, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Unless he was talking about Sabathia
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Sep 1, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m fine with this. I don’t root for us to lose, but I’m not going to lament a loss. Carrasco pitched pretty well and we move within half a game of Seattle for the 3rd worst record in the league.
I struggle with it, because this is the bullpen cast, by and large, that’s supposed to help win in 2011.
I don’t mind when they lose games because Masterson gives up 3 runs in 7 innings and the offense gets shut down because Andy Marte can’t advance a runner from 2B to 3B. I do mind when the winnable ones and gifted away — that’s just a really bad team, and it makes losing OK.
Hence the “by and large.”
But Germano is pitching in the highest leverage situation, so he’s apparently auditioning for something more than last man in the bullpen.
Screw the big picture. Losing on a late inning HR to a team’s main "don’t let this guy beat you’ guy sucks. When it is the White Sox and Konerko it sucks even more. Totally f’in sucks.
Len Barker Perfect Game Attendee
by PortlandVinny on Sep 1, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just don’t understand “not going to lament a loss” when you have a lead in the 8th inning.
Len Barker Perfect Game Attendee
by PortlandVinny on Sep 1, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. This.
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Sep 1, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I can’t believe this group really may lose 100 games. I thought that impossible at the start of the year. Like my mother always told me, anything is possible. I now believe.
Until today, Indians have won as many games when trailing after 7 innings as when they have lost when ahead after 7 (6).
gimenez is really not that bad, imo of course
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
5 hour plane ride? You bet your ass.
by kennesawmountainwahoo on Sep 1, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Cleveland ends the year with 3-games in Chicago. Here’s to hoping the White Sox are still in it, and the Indians kill those chances in a month.
agreed
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Sep 1, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
And the day just gets crappier. Paste Magazine is folding.
"If Brown is the answer, then you’re asking the wrong question." - Ryan
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