De La Rosa is four years younger than anyone in that pool, with the lowest xFIP of the bunch and the best fastball. How much is that going to be worth? I'm not convinced that De La Rosa isn't a better play than Lee. He's 2 1/2 years younger, might cost half as much and doesn't occasionally grab his back and grimace.
Joe Sheehan on Jorge De La Rosa, potential FA bargain, in comparison to one Cliff Lee. This is from the Sheehan newsletter (linked with his name) that has sprung up this season. Sheehan is trying to make a single-author, subscriber-based, email newsletter a viable product and he's doing a pretty good job. A subscription is now discounted to $15 and it provides a perfect amount of content for reading off a phone, on a commute, etc. So, there's a plug for something I actually really like. He'll be writing through 12/31 and promises 40,000 words in that time.
He's the best general baseball columnist I know.
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You don’t even know how cheap Sheehan said he’d be!
He compared him to Lily when he hit the FA market a few years ago, who got something like 4/40. I think De La Rosa will be lucky to get that but, time’s have changed. If the Rockies make the playoffs, his future finances will be decided there.
The key stat for long-term pitcher contracts is innings pitched. Show me a guy with a 95 ERA+ who puts up 180+ innings two years in a row, or three out of four, I’ll show you a guy who’s about to get $40 million.
De La Rosa has exceeded 130 IP only once in his career, and he won’t do it this year, either. He doesn’t fill one of your rotation slots by himself, so I can’t see him as a $10 million guy.
For just general, national baseball perspective? Yeah, I like him a lot-easily digestable, usually insightful. I like him a lot more than Posnaski (I don’t have 50 minutes to read your opus) and most the other national guys (Rosenthal, Heyman) aren’t really doing much besides reporting what they hear. I guess there’s Neyer but I’ve never been taken with Neyer’s day to day stuff.
I don’t know-am I missing a big one?
Honest question, is this a general De La Rosa discussion, or do people here think the Indians would really go 4/40 on a SP this offseason?
by millionairesrow on Sep 22, 2010 6:27 PM EDT reply actions
I just thought I’d plug the newsletter. De La Rosa could potentially be a bargain depending on how the market values him and, of course, there’s the mention of LGFT Lee.
There will be a battle for Mr. Lee’s soul this off-season between the Forces of Good and the Yankees. I hope for Mr. Lee’s sake that the Forces of Good triumph.
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
Cliff will take the money.
"If Brown is the answer, then you’re asking the wrong question." - Ryan
by woodsmeister on Sep 22, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it was in Jayson Stark’s column on ESPN.com earlier this month, but he quoted someone who knows Lee well saying that he’s definately going to the Yankees. His quote was something like “Lee is going where he can get the most money — he would pitch in Siberia if they gave him the biggest check.”
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 23, 2010 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions
After being traded three times in 13 months, I can hardly blame him for being a mercenary at this point. Neither the Indians or Phillies would negotiate with him, and the Mariners were a perfectly logical place for him to land, but they traded him, too. They made him take the risk of riding out his current contract, so why shouldn’t he reap the rewards?
Having said that … yeah, it would make him a jackass.
I agree with every point you’ve made here. Let me add just because it was reported that “someone who knows Lee well” says he’s going to NY doesn’t make it so. I certainly hope not.
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
Perhaps we should root for the jackasses to go 152-10 and 11-0 in the postseason. MLB might then actually address the current, ridiculous, revenue imbalance. Might.
The only thing that will drive baseball “management” to fix the current state of affairs is a precipitous drop in revenue. And even that might not do it.
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
Part of me wants to see the Yankees win a bunch of WS in a row, just burn down the competition, ruin fandom, make baseball boring and bottom out so it can be fixed. I want the Yankees to burn so bad that (again, part of me thinks) the best way for it to happen might be to ruin the sport even further. A much bigger part of me wants to see the Indians win while its still unfair, just to be defiant.
Problem is, that happened in the late 90s, and the improvements to the system, while significant, were not nearly enough to turn back the continued growth in media money — let alone to prevent the boondoggle of New Jackass Stadium.
Here is the quote from Stark:
One baseball man who goes back years with Cliff Lee has zero doubt that no matter how upbeat the Rangers may say they are about re-signing Lee, he will be a Yankee this winter once the free-agent fine print is written.
And why is that, you ask? Not because Lee has always wanted to live on the Upper East Side or because he’s a big fan of the Metropolitan Museum of Art. It’s because the Yankees are, obviously, the best bet to outbid the rest of civilization.
“Cliff,” our source said, “would go to Siberia if they offered him the biggest contract.”
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 23, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Doesn’t he know he can get the Audio Guided tour of the Met and not have to read anything? Maybe the jackasses will pick up the $7 tab.
by YoDaddyWags on Sep 23, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you kidding? If they have to the Jackasses will fly Sister Wendy over from Norfolk to give him his own private tour.
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
Her knowledge of Rembrandt is said to be unequaled on the East Coast.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Sep 24, 2010 6:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I felt like Sheehan started forcing it maybe 5 years back. Didn’t he already have a newsletter/blog project back … hell, i don’t know anymore, seem to remember actually during the 2002 Angels/Giants series. I don’t quite find him on point as much as I used to, but I always did find him as sort of the Prospectus “everyman” if that makes sense.
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