Two Things To Know
In the link above, confirmation that Hector Ambriz will have TJ surgery performed by Lewis Yocum.
From Jhonny Peralta, via MLive.com: "We were running in the outfield to loosen up before the game," Peralta said. "Choo came up to me and hugged me. He said he missed me and added, 'When I'm a free agent, I want to go to Detroit.' He's a really good guy."
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“A couple guys asked me that,” Peralta said. “They say, ‘Wow, you’re doing so good in Detroit.’ I say it’s so different. It’s good to play baseball here with this team. I feel really good right now with everything that I’m doing — defense and offense. They’re happy with what I do, and I’m happy, too.”
JP’s OPS+ w/ Cleveland: 95. With Detroit: 101.
This “Jhonny Reborn” narrative confuses me. He is basically a f/t SS there-41/52 games.
Weird.
It’s probably just a sample size thing. But I said it a long time ago, it made sense for everyone involved to part ways. It happens.
To clarify, I meant the existence of the narrative confuses me. He’s the same player, albeit suddenly a middle infielder again.
by afh4 on Sep 29, 2010 2:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No, he’s playing a little better. His defense has been better at shortstop than it has been in years, albeit only over a handful of games.
Has it not been clear for a long time that Jhonny’s most serious problem is focus? He’s energized and motivated, on a new team and back at his favorite position. It’s no real surprise that he’s playing a little better. But it won’t last.
I think it’s pretty simple. Would you rather play on a team with a winning record or one that’s on pace to lose 95 games (again)?
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
Right now .500 ball would look pretty good to the Tribe. As to the payroll, do you really think that ballplayers want to play professionally for a team with a low payroll or a spendthrift team that throws handsfull of money at mediocre talent?
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
I don’t think it has anything to do with the payroll or the record for Jhonny. I think it has to do with feeling appreciated. I think Jhonny got to feeling that the Indians were always down on him, because they were always trying to get him to be as good as he could be. More often than not, post-2005, he was nowhere near as good as he could be, and they were not able to motivate him to do better. Maybe nobody can.
He thought he was doing the same thing every day (and year I assume) but obviously he wasn’t. It’s fair to say that Jhonny doesn’t really know what makes him successful, if he thinks nothing ever changed.
I can’t see what the difference could be other than simple day-to-day focus, enthusiasm for what he’s doing. Once he was moved to third base, he seemed to lose all in performing at a high level, certainly that’s what the numbers suggest.
He’s more enthused now, because he has a fresh start, removed from all the people who were so dissatisfied with him. It’s going to get less and less fresh, though, and the people around him are going to get less and less satisfied with his performance.
So wait, you withdraw your first claim that he’s happy because he’s playing for a winner? With a three-year payroll average of $128M, they’ve averaged 81 wins per year (assuming they win their final four games this year). They have one post-season appearance since 1987. They are not a winning franchise.
You’re on to something with your last point, though. What he does sense is a team that might be willing to pick up his $7M option. So he praises Detroit a bit? That’s called being a free agent, and he’d be saying it about whatever team acquired him from Cleveland at the deadline.
Peralta would be lucky to get a $7 million deal over two years as a free agent. I expect the Tigers to pick up that option anyway.
No I’m not. There are few things in baseball more disheartening than playing for a team that loses 90+ games three years in a row. Playing -break even ball – no matter what the payroll looks like – is difinitely more enjoyable.
And I must be confused, didn’t the Tigers play in the WS in 2006? And, if memory serves, the last Indians appearance was in 1997. Same
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
There are few things in baseball more disheartening than playing for a team that loses 90+ games three years in a row.
Peralta never played for any such team.
We all know by now, Chuck, that you will just move the goalposts backwards or forwards to whatever point will cast the Indians in the worst light for any given comparison. Fact is, though, the Tigers haven’t wont the division since 1987, and have only one Wild Card appearance to show for the last 16 seasons. They were in 4th and 5th place for all of 2001-2005. That one solitary World Series loss is the only good thing you can say about that franchise in comparison to the Indians or anyone else.
And as I know, you will interpret whatever I say to meet your definition of “moving the goalposts”. Yes, you’re right Peralta escaped before the end of the season, thus avoiding another depressing 90+ lose season. But I wasn’t refering to Peralta, I was talking about Choo.
Here’s another comparative fact: there are only three ballplayers still playing baseball who were in an Indians uniform the last time they were in a World Series, and none of these guys are in Cleveland now. On the other hand there’s more than a couple of players on the Tiger’s roster who know what it’s like to play for the World Championship. If Peralta – or Choo – wants to hear what that’s like, all they would hafta do is ask Justin Verlander or Jeremy Bonderman or Brandon Inge. Meanwhile if Choo wants to hear what playing in a World Series is all about, he’ll hafta walk over to the visitor’s locker room.
And it’s no use looking at the history of the two clubs over the last 60 years. Neither Peralta or Choo or anyone else would care. And after all, it’s just too, too depressing.
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
Chuck … anyone who can call the Tigers a “winning organization” obviously has moved the goalposts in a transparent and dishonest way. It isn’t about me … it’s about you.
When we’re talking about pennants, you’re talking about championships. But now we’re talking about the Tigers, so suddenly you decide that just going to the World Series is a big deal.
The Indians, at their very worst, have not come within 20 losses of the 2003 Tigers.
Forget the bizarre definitions. Do you really think the present Indians operation is in better shape than the Tigers? Their franchise seems in better shape both financially (in terms of attendance at least) as well as in terms of young talent. They have an ace pitcher, one of the great hitters of the game and at least one outfielder the Indians would love to have.
You make a good basic point. I’ll quibble with the details, but it’s definitely a good point.
I haven’t looked closely enough at the Tigers organization to say what kind of shape they’re in. What I know about them, basically, is that they’re spending more than they can sustain in this economy, and they spend money so unwisely that they nearly erode their whole advantage.
Almost half a billion 2007-2010, and what do they have to show for it? Is there some reason to think they’ll have more to show for it next year?
Verlander is a perfect example. Of course we’d love to have him, but they paid dearly to get him. In 2011, they’re probably not going to contend. After 2011, he becomes a $20 million guy. He’s still valuable even at that point, but he’s also risky. He’s no longer a major asset to envy, and we’ll see if his arm falls off.
In the same way, yes, Cabrera may be THE BEST hitter in the game, but he’s already getting paid like it. Of course you’d like to have the best hitter and one of the best pitchers, but paying full retail for two great players isn’t and has never been a winning recipe. Once again, I have to trot out the late-90s Mariners, who accomplished precious little despite three first-ballot Hall of Famers in their prime.
Are you talking about Austin Jackson? WIth the 768 OPS in AA and AAA, and the 705 OPS over the last four months? I’d say the league has caught up with this kid. I guess I’d have to take him over Brantley at this exact moment if forced to choose, but that really isn’t saying much. We’ve got Choo, and hopefully Sizemore, and maybe Weglarz. Overall, I’ll take our next-few-years outfield over theirs.
I’ve been waiting for the Tigres to collapse since they traded away Maybin and Juerrjens and signed that insane Magglio contract, but they’re still here.
I agree with you regarding Verlander and Cabrera, but sometimes you have to overpay. You pick your spots, but you splurge. You can’t eat at Taco Bell every night.
I’m not a big Austin Jackson fan, but he would be an upgrade over Crowe. I was thinking more of Brennan Boesch, who has had a terrible second half but looks pretty good. Or Ryan Raeburn. I don’t know what they have in Toledo, but the Tigers have been producing players in their minor leagues.
The problem is that they didn’t just pay Verlander and Cabrera. They paid five or six guys, including Magglio, and these are the two that stuck. So the cost is essentially double.
For a half billion dollars, they are smart enough not to collapse completely, but they’ve basically been a .500 team. Outside of the Northeast juggernauts (Yankees, Mets, Phillies, Red Sox), they’ve outspent nearly ever other team, and the best thing you can say about them is that they’ve done better than the Cubs.
Let’s get back to the original question, though.
Does anyone really believe that Peralta, over the long haul or even for one more season, will perform better for the Tigers than he did for the Indians, for any reason?
I don’t.
He’ll have a better year than he did the past two for the Tribe, but his best season will be his age 23 performance. His 2010 and 2009 for the Tribe were bad, and I think he can do better than that in Detroit.
It seems reasonable to think that 2007-2008 Jhonny is the “real” Jhonny, but again, it’s seems to be a question of when boredom sets in. Also, a 780 OPS at shortstop with atrocious range? What exactly is that worth?
by Jay on Oct 1, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t even believe he’s performing better now. What are we talking about, maybe 10 hits falling in? Two flyballs leaving the park?
As if there is a real difference between a 90 loss team and a 78 loss team when there’s no postseason for either.
The Tigers are heading the wrong direction in terms of value vs. payroll.
Maybe he’s finally recovered from that left-side paralysis thing.
by ken from alexandria on Sep 29, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
What is this Happy to Escape Cleveland narrative? Maybe players say such things about all teams. I thought there was a certain pall cast over the team by Wedge. I could see players’ being glad to flee from the tight-assed confines of that team. But the Indians seems looser with Acta. Is it still a bad place to play? Is this just talk?
Real or perceived, I don’t think the “Escape Cleveland” thing had much to do with Wedge. It has to do with the decision to let go or inability to re-sign to players in their prime. That’s Sabathia’s misdirected narrative, that’s Victor’s sadness, that’s Choo’s comment, etc.
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So, this basically means we are done with Ambriz on the 40-man, right? He can hang out on the 60-day DL during the season, but during the offseason he would have to be added to the roster for rule 5 draft purposes. I can’t imagine us doing that for a 6th guy in the bullpen.
He is already on the roster. I guess the question is, would we lose him on waivers, and would we care?
I won’t be surprised if we keep him. The whole reason we drafted him and kept him on the 25-man was because of our view of his raw potential, not his present-day ability in 2010. He was always a long-term play, and arguably, this changes nothing.
I don’t care where Choo plays in 2014. Once he hired Boras, it was a foregone conclusion it would not be Cleveland.
As sad as it is to say, I completely agree. My philosophy right now is enjoy the borrowed time we have with him. Don’t invest emotionally, just enjoy.
I just want to believe.
Choo will not be playing in an independent league in 2014.
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by woodsmeister on Sep 30, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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