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The announcement will be at 1 PM on MLB Network and MLB.com. Some of the new features of the CBA are: minimum salary increases, HGH testing, a massive reduction in draft pick compensation for free agents, and a new luxury tax for clubs who exceed a draft pick bonus level. The new CBA will be in effect through the 2016 season, meaning that MLB will have labor peace for 22 consecutive seasons.

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Reading Goldstein’s, and others’, tweets, this all seems very bad for us and the “competitive balance” it strives for.

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by rolub on Nov 22, 2011 1:50 PM EST reply actions  

Maybe I’m seeing it differently “or wrong”, but I see it opposite? I know that teams like the Indians and the Rays are only going to be competitive through smart drafting, but we aren’t a team that typical over-reaches monetarily in the draft anyway. No?

Matt LaPorta is the bane of my existence.

by USSChoo on Nov 22, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

but we aren’t a team that typical over-reaches monetarily in the draft anyway. No?

We have been the last couple seasons. Now that option is no longer available to us, because we can’t afford the luxury taxes. The Yankees and Red Sox can though, so they can go over slot on every pick if they want.

We also get screwed on draft pick compensation for free agents.

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Nov 22, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Are we really sure that we would have breached the limit?

Matt LaPorta is the bane of my existence.

by USSChoo on Nov 22, 2011 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you’re forgetting to consider where our over-drafts have been in the draft. A lot of Indians fliers happen after the 10th round. Now that everyone has the luxury tax to worry about, we’re going to see an 11th round gusher of fliers.

by Jay on Nov 22, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Levon Washington signed for almost twice the recommended bonus.Tony Wolters signed for three times the recommended bonus. Same with Dillon Howard. The tribe has gone way over slot early in the draft the past two seasons, and depending on how stiff the penalties are, they may not be able to do that any more.

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Nov 23, 2011 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

The good news – neither will anyone else.

by woodsmeister on Nov 23, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Let’s think about this for a bit. The NYY and BOS will likely be working with a significantly diminished pool of draft money because they will likely have good records and be drafting well back of the pack. The punishments for exceeding the cap are based on a percentage over the cap. So, the lower the cap number, the lower the number of dollars necessary to spend over the cap before the penalty kicks in. Chances are that 104.9% of the Yankees and Boston cap number will be substantially below what most teams above them in the draft can spend without any penalty.

Also, do you really think that the Sawx and Yanks are likely to start forfeiting 1st round picks by spending 105.1% of their draft bonus cap? They may blow their first round picks on free agent compensation for a guy who can help them win right now, but I doubt they’ll blow their first round picks on any draft class that may or may not help them down the road. For that matter, I doubt if the kind of high upside guys WORTH blowing a first round pick next year will fall to the Yankees and Sox when they pick 28th or 29th.

With all bonuses above $100,000 to picks beginning with round 11 also applying to the cap, it may disincentivize teams with low bonus caps from picking high bonus players late in the draft. However, it may encourage teams with high bonus caps to take a flier on a guy late in the draft if they think they can get their first 10 picks signed well under their cap.

by woodsmeister on Nov 23, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Interesting. Maybe they won’t. Time will tell.

by JulioBernazard on Nov 23, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Here is a piece on fangraphs about the issue:

Overall, these new rules will work to dramatically decrease the overall spending levels of teams on new talent, but will do so at the cost of allowing small to mid market teams to pursue strategies that focus on developing talent internally. The lotteries simply won’t make up for the inability to increase spending on talent acquisition, flattening the differences between organizations and making winning at the Major League level more about acquiring veterans and less about acquiring amateurs.



Congratulations, Major League Baseball, you just screwed every team that doesn’t have the capability of running out a $100+ million payroll, and you just made winning a lot more about Major League payroll size than anything else. In the name of cost reduction, you just made it even less likely that teams like Tampa Bay or Oakland will be able to build long term winners. This agreement will set competitive balance back significantly, and now the best hope is that the damage is so obvious that these changes get repealed as quickly as possible.

I think it is probably more nuanced than this piece implies, but it does seem to be an overall negative. The premium on effective scouting, getting the right guys with the picks and money you have, seems to be boosted considerably with these changes.

by APV on Nov 22, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Time to develop Diamondview 2.0

by westbrook on Nov 22, 2011 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I think this is incorrect. The Yankees and Red Sox have been consistently in the top half of bonus spending even though their slots are at the bottom. They’re still outspending everyone in the draft relative to their slots, and that was only going to get worse as people figured out the way teams like the Pirates were taking advantage of the draft. In 10 years, the draft was going to be just another place where the Yankees and Red Sox outspent everyone else for the best players. I think these new rules nip that in bud.

by Chemo on Nov 23, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for bringing that up – been wondering

by stuart dean on Nov 22, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Donald Fehr must be devastated by this labor “peace”.

by millionairesrow on Nov 22, 2011 3:03 PM EST reply actions  

I mean, it wasn’t really peace back in 2001 or whatever the year was though right?

by johnf34 on Nov 22, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

HOW IS JEFFREY KESSLER SUPPOSED TO PUT FOOD ON THE TABLE?

by westbrook on Nov 22, 2011 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Fehr will be fine because he is already planning the strike/lockout in the NHL this summer.

by roywhitby on Nov 22, 2011 10:01 PM EST up reply actions  

a massive reduction in draft pick compensation for free agents

On one hand, this seems very bad for small-market teams. On the other hand it seems ridiculous that one year of a Kevin Millwood-type veteran can net a team a high(ish) draft pick.

by Toxicadam on Nov 22, 2011 3:57 PM EST reply actions  

The team that has benefited the most recently from getting extra draft picks for losing free agents is the Boston Red Sox. They trade for rent-a-players then let them go, recovering the draft pick.

by woodsmeister on Nov 23, 2011 8:29 AM EST up reply actions  

And more talent will slip away to other sports. This luxury tax on over-slot signings is an all-round terrible idea.

by exer on Nov 22, 2011 4:15 PM EST reply actions  

I still don’t buy this.

Matt LaPorta is the bane of my existence.

by USSChoo on Nov 22, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Why not? The overall pool of money will be smaller, and the smaller teams are punished disproportionally. Sounds like a Red Sox/Phillies/Yankees kinda idea. I suppose the prospect of a possible Royals WS win is too hard to bear.

by exer on Nov 22, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I just don’t see it. How many kids do you honestly think are considering multiple sports? And how many of those are going to assuaged by this cap?

Matt LaPorta is the bane of my existence.

by USSChoo on Nov 22, 2011 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

To the sport with a salary cap (NFL), the sport that has a salary cap and doesn’t currently have a pro league in the US (NBA), the sport where the skill set doesn’t normally match up with baseball (NHL, Eric Lindros excepted), or to MLS?

by JulioBernazard on Nov 22, 2011 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

The difference is in the NFL or NBA you are guaranteed a heck of a lot more money than baseball. This may not effect guys at the very top of the draft who are reasonably sure they’ll get theirs, but to someone who has doubts that they’ll ever make the big leagues, $1.2 million guaranteed from three years in the NFL has to look a lot better than 800k for ten years in the minors.

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Nov 23, 2011 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m not sure that I understand all the hatred for this CBA. In particular, I don’t understand why the draft limits will hurt the small-market teams.

My understanding is that each team will have a total limit of how much they can spend on the draft (except for bonuses < $100,000 after the 10th round). The team with the first pick will have the highest bonus pool ($11.5M) and the team with the last pick will have the lowest bonus pool ($4.5M). And if you go more than 5% over the pool, you lose draft picks.

So let’s say the Tribe gets a bonus pool of $8.5M. The Yankees will only have a bonus pool of, say, $5M. How does this benefit the Yankees? They won’t spend more than $5.25M on draft picks, whereas the Tribe can still spend $8.5M. Yes, maybe the Indians won’t give a $2M bonus to that guy in the 3rd round…But no other team will either. So I guess it’s possible that less players will sign, and maybe this prevents the bad teams from getting markedly better in a given year. But eventually that player who wouldn’t get the $2M bonus will be a college senior. Either he’ll have to take a lower bonus, or he won’t play in the majors. It’s not like the Yankees/Red Sox/Phillies are going to swoop in and grab all these high priced guys later in the draft. They don’t want to lose their picks any more than the small-market teams do. So they won’t have the extra money to spend.

By my logic, the only result would be that less players would sign and enter major league baseball, and there’s the general complaint from national scouts that people will choose other sports over major league baseball. But there will still be plenty of people who play baseball. So what if some of the two-sport people don’t choose baseball? Yes, maybe we’ll miss out on “great” players, like Matt Kemp. But all that would mean is that the average ability of a major league baseball player would shift. Sure, maybe it would be “bad” if the quality of major leaguers was such that Orlando Cabrera was deemed the MVP. But any dip in quality would go equally. All that means is that the definition of greatness would shift to fit the current mold of a major leaguer, rather than an earlier mold. But you know what? That’s what happens in baseball anyway. The major leaguer of today is completely different than the major leaguer of 50 years ago.

Sorry if this doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. I’m a little tired, but I’m mostly just confused. So if someone out there could explain to me why this hurts the little guy, and why my logic is wrong, I would appreciate it.

by barsham on Nov 23, 2011 12:45 AM EST reply actions  

I know it’s the offseason, but it has to be done:

Less Fewer players

by woodsmeister on Nov 23, 2011 8:31 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Doesn’t the hard-slotting system eliminate the variable of the signability of draft picks?

When the Nationals drafted Strasburg, there was serious question as to how much Boras was going to ask for and whether they were going to be able to afford to sign him. He ultimately got a bonus of $7.5 million; the recommended bonus for the first slot was $4 million.

Under this new system, would agents really push for more than 5% above the slot, thus costing teams future draft picks?

I think this would prevent teams from passing on the best player at a particular slot in the draft due to the uncertainty of whether or not the player will sign.

by AllenSmith on Nov 23, 2011 11:02 AM EST reply actions  

Wow…lots of changes to the draft and amateur player acquisition. John Pertotto has a free piece up at BP recapping some of the changes.

Players selected after the 10th round do not count against a club’s signing bonus pool if they receive bonuses up to $100,000. Any amounts paid in excess of $100,000 will count against the pool.
For the first time, clubs with the lowest revenues and in the smallest markets will have an opportunity to obtain additional draft picks through a lottery.
Picks awarded in the Competitive Balance Lottery may be assigned by a club, subject to certain restrictions.

by APV on Nov 23, 2011 11:20 AM EST reply actions  

It will be interesting to see how teams will cook the books on revenue to qualify for the extra lottery picks.

We made less money than you did! No, we made less money than you! Did not! Did too!

by woodsmeister on Nov 23, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

As I recall the Yankees have a habit of “losing money” most years.

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Nov 23, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

It is surprisingly hard to find freely available information on total draft signing bonuses by team…but I’m not sure this is such a negative to small market teams as many of the commentators seems to indicate. First, the cap actually seems quite high. As best as I could find, here is what the Indians have spent on the draft (approximately) each of the past four seasons:

2008: $7.0M
2009 $4.7M
2010: $9.4M
2011: $8.2M

Without knowing exactly where we stand in relation to the cap, it is possible over the last four years (which includes three drafts characterized as “aggressive”) we would never have exceeded the cap. The system does seem to advantage teams who have a lot of resources but play like crap anyway (looking at you, Mets), given that the size of the available pool depends on your record. But it would seem to prevent wealthier organizations from swooping in and nabbing guys who slip because of high draft bonus demands (a la Porcello in Detroit). The distribution between top 10 round picks and later round picks seems to put all the pressure on those first 10 rounds. I would suspect you’ll see teams switch to a more aggressive approach with those first ten picks, rather than strategies that attempt to balance risk/reward. Smaller teams might lose in all of this, but i doubt the loss will be so systematic as to disadvantage teams year in and year out. If anything, I think it prevents wealthy teams from intelligently exploiting the draft to their own advantage. The only obvious loser seems to be amateur players, who get completely screwed in the new CBA.

by APV on Nov 23, 2011 11:45 AM EST reply actions  

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