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Manny Ramirez is the 99%.

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First FanShot. Apologies if I didn’t do this correctly.

by J83 on Dec 12, 2011 11:06 AM EST reply actions

Looks good to me.

Manny is still one of my favorites.

by afh4 on Dec 12, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions

You did fine, although we do encourage users to link to the original report (ESPN Deportes in this case) rather than just to another site that links to the original report (MLBTR in this case). The “middle man” link doesn’t really provide any value to our readers, best to go straight to the source and credit it.

I fixed it.

by Jay on Dec 12, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions

Thanks. My mistake.

by J83 on Dec 12, 2011 7:54 PM EST up reply actions

The Indians almost have to kick the tires on him, right? Even assuming that he’s just a DH, by the time he’s served his suspension, Travis Hafner may be on the shelf.

by Ryan on Dec 12, 2011 12:03 PM EST reply actions

I don’t think they will, on account of the ‘character’ business.

by afh4 on Dec 12, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions

I’m with this. I’d love to see Manny in a Tribe uni again, but not at the expense of clubhouse issues he could bring.

Matt LaPorta is the bane of my existence.

by USSChoo on Dec 12, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions

I’m very 50/50 on this. I liTerally have half of my body on each side of the fence.

by westbrook on Dec 12, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions

To be clear, I wouldn’t want him avoided on the basis of ‘character’, at least that’s my initial reaction.

I just think that will be the FO’s route.

by afh4 on Dec 12, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions

Hmm, putting this and your comment below together, I disagree. I’m on the fence because of what he could do to the rest of the club’s morale. I consider that much more of a character issue than him being “totally nuts” (GFP) or " popped twice for PEDs" (your view of FOs).

by westbrook on Dec 12, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions

I hope the FO doesn’t take that stance. I mean, we did have two guys on the roster with DUIs last year, right?

I’d like to see the team upgrade at both first and LF. But if they’re looking at Willingham only for the latter, I’d rather have 112 games of Manny for less than $1 million than 2-3 years of Willingham for $8-10 million per season.

by J83 on Dec 12, 2011 8:01 PM EST up reply actions

Probably. Hafner’s setback schedule has not yet been released.

by woodsmeister on Dec 12, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions

I still don’t understand the suspension rules. Does he have to stay on the 25 or 40 man roster? I think we can accommodate the latter but not the former.

by 7foot3 on Dec 12, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions

Good question. If some team can sign him to a minor-league contract, does the suspension count, or does he have to be on a major-league roster/contract?

by Ryan on Dec 12, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions

This is the definition of a right handed hitter with power… Of course the source of that power might be in question. Either way, I see no reason not to give the guy a shot to redeem himself, he likely feels like he has much to prove, and when manny is proving something it can be a powerful sight. Plus I would say that his days in Cleveland were his least news worthy aspects of Manny being manny, meaning he might be more excited about becoming an indian again…

by AdaminFL on Dec 12, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions

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by JulioBernazard on Dec 12, 2011 1:33 PM EST reply actions 2 recs

What are Manny’s “character” issues exactly? I mean, he’s totally nuts, but if you put him in a happy environment he’s going to hit.

I like ex-Phillies prospects.

by Gradyforpresident on Dec 12, 2011 2:47 PM EST reply actions

I think many front offices would see getting popped twice for PEDs as an indication of poor character.

by afh4 on Dec 12, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions

I think they’d see it more as poor judgment.

by Jay on Dec 12, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions

Point seems the same though—Indians have made a show of “high character, good judgment” in the past.

by afh4 on Dec 12, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions

That is true in general, but definitely not a rule. They did make Lonnie Chisenhall a first round pick.

by clefan on Dec 12, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions

18 year olds have a higher rate of return in this area than 38 year olds.

Matt LaPorta is the bane of my existence.

by USSChoo on Dec 12, 2011 5:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

A solid point. But there are other examples. Jason Michaels punched a cop.

by Jay on Dec 12, 2011 10:53 PM EST up reply actions

Of course he did, look at the hair.

Matt LaPorta is the bane of my existence.

by USSChoo on Dec 13, 2011 9:39 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs

They just acquired a 38 year old with a history of marital infidelity and alcohol problems.

I think the Manny character “issues” are nonissues dreamed up by the overly dramatic New England media.

by callmrplow on Dec 13, 2011 9:18 AM EST up reply actions

I don’t have any real interest in getting into an extended discussion of this, but it’s obvious that the Indians have, at least in the past, chosen to use this “good judgment, high character” business as a company line. I think it’s likely that they’re much more concerned with how things appear to the outside than to any actual standard of good judgment and high character. That’s an assertion supported by the inconsistencies that you and others point out—the big takeaway of those inconsistencies is that they involve players that 99% of fans knows little to anything about; whether we like it or not, Jason Michaels’ cop punching and Derek Lowe’s infidelity are things that only people as obsessed with baseball as we are actually remember. In contrast, Manny Ramirez is branded, nationally, as a headcase and a cheater.

I would be shocked if the Indians, with as much as they struggle to generate goodwill, take that on. In fact, I’ll be surprised if Manny gets a job at all. Bonds’ was a much, much better player at the time he was effectively forced out of the game. Granted, these are each unique cases, but I anticipate the baseball establishment will end up treating Ramirez the same way.

by afh4 on Dec 13, 2011 9:44 AM EST up reply actions

I think it’s likely that they’re much more concerned with how things appear to the outside than to any actual standard of good judgment and high character.

Funny, I think it’s actually the opposite. They are looking for players who exhibit an attitude of accountability and team-first mindset. They may or may not actually care who cheats on his wife.

by Jay on Dec 13, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions

I could see that.

If forced to guess, I’d say it’s some rather arbitrary standard influenced by all of the personality and cultural baggage that all parties bring to the table.

by afh4 on Dec 13, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions

… or who hides in the bushes.

by emd2k3 on Dec 13, 2011 7:43 PM EST up reply actions

I don’t disagree at all regarding the team’s philosophy of staying away from publicly perceived “cancers”. I just hope that the front office will explore all options to improve the team. In this case, they’d never bring back a player like Manny, but they should consider it.

by callmrplow on Dec 13, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions

I believe Manny has spoken more in this interview than all of his prior public statements combined. That is the real story here. No customary mention of an interpreter, did he really do all that talking in English?

by Jay on Dec 12, 2011 3:05 PM EST reply actions