Transactions: Indians add Jose Lopez, Aaron Cunningham
Let's get the first one out of the way—I'm sure you're all pretty familiar with Jose Lopez. Lopez was once an interesting little player for Seattle, hitting a combined 42 homeruns as the M's second baseman in 2008 and 2009. He was never much of a hitter and when his bat fell of in 2010, the fall wasn't pretty. Lopez OPS'd 611 in 2010 and 2011 as he dragged his cold, dying bat from the Mariners to the Rockies and then, to end last season, to the Marlins.
Lopez is, charitably, a utility infielder but his major league career is on life support at this point. As a result, he's not competing for utility innings in any realistic sense—the Indians are already stocked with Cord Phelps, Jason Donald, and Jack Hannahan, so they're pretty flush with backups at Lopez's "best" positions of 2B and 3B. Instead, as sometimes happens with players in decline, he's going to be asked to play a position that wouldn't have made sense for him even at his peak. Lopez will almost certainly try to offer the Indians a right-handed option at 1B, where he played a tad as a Marlin last season. This is going to be quite a trick if Lopez pulls it off—at his very best, he barely had enough bat for 2B so 1B is a stretch, to say the least. This isn't a case of a square peg in a round hole, it's a case of a small peg in a big hole. Still, he's right-handed, so he'll get a shot. I'll be surprised if he makes it to Cleveland this season.
Now, on to Aaron Cunningham. Jerry Crasnick broke this news within the last half hour, and it's a bit more interesting. Heading to San Diego will be trick pitcher Corey Burns. Make no mistake, this is a trade of little for little, and Burns' quirky delivery and high-80's fastball doesn't represent a significant loss for the organization. Cunningham is equally lacking in value but he's interesting in how tightly he fits in the Indians pattern of recent OF transactions. BP twice called Cunningham a "right-handed Travis Buck" in player comments because, like Buck, Cunningham is a player who's hit for a nice average in the minors but been unable to ever generate real power. Cunningham debuted very young with Oakland (just like Buck), and was twice involved in pretty large trades—once, he went from Arizona to Oakland as part of the package for Dan Haren and then, three seasons later, he went from Oakland to San Diego in the trade that brought Kevin Kouzmanoff to the A's.
Cunningham's stock peaked before 2009 when BA ranked him as the 55th best prospect in baseball (Buck peaked as BA's 50th best prospect, by the way), after he spent 2008 showing his first real power in the minors, belting 17 homeruns across AA and AAA. Unfortunately, that power surge was not sustained and Cunningham has struggled to even fulfill the fourth outfielder ceiling that he seemed like a lock for when he broke in as a 22 year old. He seems like sort of an odd hitter—I've never watched him, but BP described him this way in their 2008 annual: "Cunningham is a tough call as outfield prospects go, which might help explain why first the White Sox and then the Snakes dealt him. He stands on the inside corner of the batter's box and covers the plate well (taking a number of HBPs as a result)." That's not sticking out to me in highlights, so perhaps he's modified his approach.
Cunningham is unlikely to be a big find for the Indians but, like Buck a year ago, he's going to have another go at making good on what's left of his promise. Cunningham is out of options and thus must make the roster out of spring training or else be expose on waivers, where I suspect he'd be selected. My guess is that if Cunningham can look even close to competent, he and his right-handed bat will send Ezekiel Carrera back to the minors and Trevor Crowe to wherever he goes now. That would give you a starting outfield of Brantley, Sizemore, and Choo, with a bench of Duncan and Cunningham. In the short ter,, someone's coming off the 40 for Cunningham, but there's lots of options in that department (hey, Nick Weglarz!). In the long-term, this might be more doom-spelling for LaPorta—any option-less players on the 40 (Cunningham, Duncan) are ahead of LaPorta on the list to make the 25 man unless we can come up with a reason to think otherwise.
Understandably, there's been some pushback on Twitter about this being a lame acquisiton and, yes, acquiring pseudo-fourth outfielders is sort of lame. At the same time, I sort of like it. Cunningham has hit lefties throughout his minor league career, he's been acquired at extremely low cost, and there's enough talent there to think you might still get value. Barring a major outfield acquisition, I think he'll make the team and has more potential utility than any of the guys he'll bump from the roster.
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Just tweeted this, but I’m pretty sure 25 man, as it stands, would be:
12 man staff
Marson
Hafner
Santana
Kipnis
Asdrubal
Chisenhall
Hannahan
Donald
Choo
Sizemore
Brantley
Cunningham
Duncan
No. There’s some evidence that the Indians/LaPorta relationship has soured. Bastian tweeted that LaPorta’s chances of making OD roster were ‘very slim’ and then today Tony wrote that LaPorta should’ve gone to winter ball.
That could just be two guys talking, or it could be two guys who are relatively well connected reflecting back what they’re hearing.
God help us. Willingham, Cuddyer, Pena, even Kotchman were all out there and we are signing players like Jose Lopez and Cunningham.
What a failure of an offseason so far.
Complaining about an NRI is idiotic. Cunningham was a trade. Learn how to bitch.
by Brick. on Dec 16, 2011 8:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 9 recs
Complaining about someone complaining about getting two players who suck is idiotic. Don’t be a bitch.
by Cols714 on Dec 16, 2011 10:03 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I don’t think you know what any of the words ‘complain’, ‘idiot’, or ‘bitch’ mean.
by Brick. on Dec 16, 2011 10:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Gotta side with Brick on this.
Complaining about NRI is pure and unadulterated dumbfanspeak.
Every team is “signing players like Lopez and Cunningham” if they know what they’re doing. Minor league signings are depth moves. You cannot get a reliable, quality major leaguer in a minor league signing, by definition.
I disagree. This is complaining about the lack of a free-agent acquisition. The indians would have never made this move if they had acquired a free-agent outfielder, since that would have eaten the spot on the 25-man. It is therefore reasonable to view Cunningham as a substitute for Josh Willingham, who was at least plausibly affordable. I can see the decision not to go for Willingham both ways, but I am inclined to feel some disappointment.
Lumping Lopez in with Cunningham is perhaps a bit sloppy, but the post was about both of them.
That said, I like the Cunningham move on the merits.
Even that isn’t true. Cunningam would not be the first player who is on added to a 40 man and out of options who wasn’t guaranteed a 25 man spot if a better option presents itself. These fringe guys get dcs’d all the time with no consequence.
by Brick. on Dec 17, 2011 10:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Brick has it right again. Cunningham can and will be DFA’ed if something better comes along. He’s an insurance pickup, nothing more.
for certain. But it is not an insurance pick-up you would make if you had an additional outfielder. The indians might not value burns highly, but they wouldn’t burn him for nothing.
True, but all this proves is that we’ve only signed one starting outfielder (Sizemore) in the six weeks since the season ended. There are another 15 weeks until the next season begins.
And let’s be honest, we may well not be able to upgrade our starting lineup between now and then. That’s still no reason to criticize the team for making logical moves in light of the fact that we haven’t upgraded the lineup yet.
That is not how I would have read the original comment. Sticking to the substance, I agree. I think this is a good move. But I think it is a depressing sign. I would have hoped we could have made a move for a Willingham/Cuddyer type, and frankly, I would have thought we could have done even better than 3X7. Maybe it was never to be in our market, and maybe it doesn’t quite make a failed off-season, but to me at least, it is disappointing
/discourse lowered.
OH SNAPPLE
I like ex-Phillies prospects.
by Gradyforpresident on Dec 17, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Still with the rock-throwing approach to silly posts, I see.
by YoDaddyWags on Dec 17, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
so, diaz, will get optioned this year. and every year he’s on the 40. and if he does that 3 times in a row, he can easily run out of options without playing in the majors.
It’s not a failure to add a little depth to the upper levels of the system. I like any minor league deal. If these players have a 1 in 50 chance of putting it all together and making in the big league team and making an impact there, it is a success. So you throw some things against the wall and see what sticks. Whats the big deal??? Failure in not spending really anything to get a potential player for the big league club… People get mad about the Tribe not making a big splash, but unfortunately (because I can’t wait for it to end) the off-season has not ended yet. I get it, you want the big splash, and hopefully that will come. At the very least we have made some minor moves, there is still plenty of off-season to go…
by AdaminFL on Dec 16, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
By all means, let us avoid dumb-fan-speak, but at the same time, let’s not rush to call disappointment or lack of enthusiasm uneducated and crude. If you go on line thinking you might hear the Tribe has signed Cuddyer and you find out instead they acquired Jose Lopez and Aaron Cunningham, you might feel a little twinge of such kind, no? When it comes to the former, there might even be an extra little jolt of pain, mildly laced with shame. But then we, ahem, come to our senses.
And yes, let’s ‘encourage’ COLTS714 to consider the rationale behind these moves, but doing so does not automatically entail foregoing a groan or two along the way, no? Anyway, I can relate to the more emotional response, even as I somewhat begrudgingly receive my lesson about how to manage the minors.
And, yes yes yes, I would tickled pink if this Cunningham fellow did something. Like give some real depth. Yes.
by DPS on Dec 17, 2011 4:24 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Yep. But you have to realize that I’m not allowed to complain about these things because then this website would become like cleveland.com or something.
I must fall in line with everyone else and cheerily say that wow I’m so glad we are improving our depth and make no mention of the fact that we still have upgraded our major league roster in any meaningful way.
Another mis correlation. It is required that you not be dumb. It is not required that you chear minor acquisitions.
by Brick. on Dec 17, 2011 9:30 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
You’re allowed to do it, you’re just going to be repeatedly ask to raise your game and that is not always going to be a pleasant exchange. Historically, posters either choose to do that raising, choose to leave, or turn to trolling and are banned. It’s totally up to you what you choose to do, but you can expect that if you continue to post irrational, poorly formed arguments, you’ll be called out nearly every time. This community is not going to come to find lousy arguments any more interesting or persuasive. Instead, it’s going to keep asking for better ones and, over time, get progressively more irritated at someone who tries to use this space as one for thoughtless venting.
Tying not signing willingham to signing lopez – in any way whatsoever – is the mistake. They are completely unrelated. It is not “instead”. It just isn’t.
by Brick. on Dec 17, 2011 9:26 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
you are in search of hairs to split. This is a post about two moves the Indians made. It is fair to see these moves in the context of other moves the Indians didn’t make. I agree that Lopez is a different type of signing. But insisting on giving a quick post the least charitable interpretation possible is hardly called for.
It really isn’t splitting hairs at all.
You want to talk about not signing sizemore instead of willingham i’ll listen. NRI’s and fourth outfielders are not the same as free agent, especially multiyear, free agent acquisitions.
by Brick. on Dec 17, 2011 10:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Why didn’t we post for Yu Darvish instead of bringing Jose Lopez to camp!!!!!
by Brick. on Dec 17, 2011 10:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 6 recs
Rec! By the way, it looks like Willingham wanted to be in Minn. So it’s kind of a moot point to debate if the team should have matched the Minn offer when he didn’t want to come to Cleve, anyhow.
Agreed. It seems like the guy wanted to go to Minn, and the “Dolan’s cheap” complaint doesn’t fit here.
It is normal to feel that the best available player is a must-have upgrade. But that’s just a feeling; it isn’t necessarily a good idea.
Plus I think it gets lost that other issues factor into players’ decisions other than money. Cleveland can’t afford to overpay for players in order to get them to come someplace they really don’t want to play.
It is fair to see these moves in the context of other moves the Indians didn’t make.
It may be “fair,” but it’s not smart.
It is fair for people to point out that it’s not smart.
mcrose and andrew get to the heart of the issue at the bottom of the thread. We are all just reading tea leaves. But some signs indicate this Cunningham move is probably our solution to the OF problem. That is depressing. Perhaps its not “smart” but neither is it stupid or obviously out of line.
I haven’t quite mastered the art of linking to other people’s posts, but mcrose and andrew discuss it below. An outfielder with no options means that he has to make the 25 man or be a waste. Obviously wasting a wacky relief pitcher is not too much of a sacrifice, but its probably not one they would have made if it looked like there was a free-agent acquisition coming down the pipe. Perhaps that’s the best move—I can see it both ways—but it is still depressing.
Again though, I actually like this guy, and I’m glad they made the move.
If you rushed to the internet with expectations of a Cuddyer signing that were so high that you lashed out at the acquisitions of Cunningham and Lopez, perhaps dumbfanspeak is your native language.
I think some of the various lashings out that have gone on here are all related to anxious concern over our beloved Tribe. The smarter guys have the burden of supporting and explaining this wonderful move. When a ‘normal’ fan expresses disappointment, they have the further burden of making them understand. So, along the way, they might get a little shrill in their scolding of such ‘dumb’ fans.
In other words, when the scoldings get shrill, I think that’s because it is not all that savory a task to defend this move. Sensible on one level, yes, savory, no.
Who said the move was wonderful?
A few guys here are putting words in the mouths of a few other guys. It’s a pretty good indicator that your point is crap.
I said the mods and others were talking in a “sensible” way. I mean that. I said that they sometimes have the unsavory task of explaining and defending moves that lack broad, bright appeal.
I was not putting the word “wonderful” into anyone’s mouth, and i think it’s easy to read my comment without making that inference. Please try to do so, ok?
I have benefited a lot from your posts, and I look forward to doing so in the future.
Huh?
It’s totally OK to be disappointed when your team does not sign one of the many free agents that could have helped the team.
There is no reason that every poster has to come to this thread to say something like “wow great job improving our team, how wonderful the Indians FO is”
It’s OK to be disappointed in the lack of FA activity that would actually, you know, help the team win.
There is no reason that every poster has to come to this thread to say something like "wow great job improving our team, how wonderful the Indians FO is"
Has even one person, in fact, said that?
Anyone?
by Jay on Dec 17, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No one’s suggested anything of the sort. You’re not going to become the victim of a muzzling through simply saying you are. Generally, people under a gag order aren’t running around telling everyone they’re under a gag order.
There’s nothing stopping you from explaining why, in response do AdaminFL, this is actually a “big deal”, as opposed to a couple of minor moves made at no cost and largely unrelated to the Indians failure to exploit the larger FA market. Either engage in a discussion of what’s actually going on or drop it.
Yay! What great signings. I’m so happy!!!!!!!!!
Has even one person, in fact, said that?
Anyone?
by Jay on Dec 17, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
but at the same time, let’s not rush to call disappointment or lack of enthusiasm uneducated and crude
I didn’t.
But lumping in major moves with minor league signings is uneducated and crude. It just is.
Cols714 has had more than his fair share of polite encouragement this offseason. There was none due in this instance.
I’d like to point out that what got everyone all hot under the collar here was this post:
“God help us. Willingham, Cuddyer, Pena, even Kotchman were all out there and we are signing players like Jose Lopez and Cunningham.
What a failure of an offseason so far."
Is there anything at all offensive here?
No one said it was offensive; many said something to the effect that it was stupid. AdaminFL explained why, pretty politely, and I haven’t seen any convincing rebuttal to that.
I think the “rebuttal” is Mcrose’s post below.
The difference in opinion on the Cunningham deal seems to be the direct versus the indirect effect the trade has on the future Indians moves. The direct effect of this trade is that we trade a non prospect for an outfielder that is likely to make our roster and contribute to the major league team. However, Cunningham’s lack of options leads some like cols714 to interpret that he’s basically assured a roster spot and thus the primary solution for trying to upgrade our 1B/OF issue.
So while I agree with the “they’re only NRI/Something for nothing” school of thought it does seem slightly non responsive to those worried about what these moves mean for the rest of the offseason.
"sometimes the internet is hard for me." - ClemsonGirl
by world dictator on Dec 17, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
But you’ve got to actually make the argument, not just loudly declare how you feel. Otherwise, you’re using the site just to vent, which has always been something you’re going to take flak for.
by afh4 on Dec 17, 2011 3:00 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
You would save yourself lots of time by just saying, yes Cols 714, it sucks that the Indians seem intent on going into the season without upgrading LF and 1B. I feel your pain.
Instead, we end up with this long drawn out conversation.
No, that would in fact generate a lot more long-term grief for the mods. We have always sought to create a space that is not about just expressing personal frustration, pain, venting, etc. Those kinds of forums are near impossible to moderate because it becomes impossible to uphold any kind of standard of what’s an appropriate way to do that venting and, over time, those forums turn into places none of the mods want to hang out.
We’re much better off course correcting as necessary as opposed to taking a laissez faire approach and then waking up one day and saying—"Oh ____, this place sucks and we have to fix it."
Is anyone else sick and tired of hearing what kind of high brow place this is supposed to be? I made one statement about how it sucked that the Indians did not sign anyone to easily upgrade the offense and we are stuck with the Jose Lopez’s of the world. And it generated 50 more comments about how I’m now making this like cleveland.com.
brother, it is time to let this one go. I basically believe that there is a defensible version of you point, but you are not defending it well. This is how they do here. You are only drawing more fire.
I think you are right. However I also think that I have gotten way way way more pushback on this than I deserved.
of course you did. These people are zealous on the correction button. My read is that they needlessly provoked you. That said, the best move is to come back with arguments, the first of which is to abandon the lopez point, which really is a different kind of move. I think I am sympatico on the Cunningham issue as a depressing sign.
These people are zealous on the correction button.
Perhaps.
Or perhaps this particular person has worn out everyone’s patience — and has gotten generous helpings of it already.
Four people run this site, and we collectively write thousands of words every week, as well as reading hundreds of comments, dealing with administrative backend, and keeping up with whatever’s going on Indians world.
We’re certainly not perfect, and we certainly make mistakes. At the same time, the volume of work we do is indicative of the fact that we’re operating, as much as we can, in good faith.
I don’t mention the workload to ask for gratitude or sympathy—we willingly do this and enjoy it. I mention it only to make it clear that, if we really wanted to just go on a power trip, or be elitist, or irritate certain users, couldn’t we find a place to do that which wouldn’t require so much goddamn work?
Ultimate point being, if a mod asks you to do something, or gently pushes you in a direction, try to give it as much benefit of the doubt as you can. We do it because we really like this place and the people in it, as the amount of time we spend on the site suggests.
And, if you don’t like it, that’s totally fine. In the nicest way possible, the log out button is free.
Can we please back up here?
I basically said it sucks that we have not signed any one of the guys we could have easily signed to upgrade our situation and instead are mucking around at the bottom of the barrel.
Someone for some reason posted a Ubaldo-White thread at a Rockies site. Brick then called me an idiot and the piling on ensued.
I really don’t think my original comment was so out of line to deserve all of this attention. I don’t think it was debasing the LGT community or whatever it is you think.
I think it’s time to drop this.
I don’t think you are on a power trip or operating in bad faith and I never said so. If I was jay, I would quote your words back at you and ask you where I said them. I am nonetheless grateful for your efforts, which make for an outstanding site.
Much of the time the better discourse through rock-throwing approach has real benefits. This time it did not. I think there was a real point here, one that eventually got made at the bottom of the thread, but got lost for a long time as we loaded up the trebuchets.
Didn’t intend it as a direct reply to anything you’d said; at the same time, you did mention “needless provoking” and, since I’m in the frame, that certainly could be construed as asserting a mod is setting out to just irritate people.
Broadly, though, I think we’re on the same page.
Is anyone else sick and tired of hearing what kind of high brow place this is supposed to be?
No. I’ve observed or participated in a number of online communities at some level or another, and I’m convinced that this is one of the best there is. There’s no “CLEVELAND ROXX DETROIT SUXXZ
” and there’s also no “DOLAN IZ CHEEP!” If you have something to say, you’re more than welcome to present it and support it with facts. If you just want to rant and spew visceral reactions, you’ll get culled pretty quickly for the rest of the community. It’s the vibe around here that inspired my brother and I to start our own SBN blog and it’s that same vibe that we’re hoping to replicate. Informed, civil dialogue is difficult to find on the internet. The mods here have been able to cultivate it, and they should be proud of that.
Is anyone else sick and tired of hearing what kind of high brow place this is supposed to be? I made one statement about how it sucked that the Indians did not sign anyone to easily upgrade the offense and we are stuck with the Jose Lopez’s of the world. And it generated 50 more comments about how I’m now making this like cleveland.com.
Okay, now you’re just bitching.
"sometimes the internet is hard for me." - ClemsonGirl
by world dictator on Dec 17, 2011 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
Personally, I am very, very happy with high brow. It is low brow that makes my cerebral cortex explode and the mod’s consistent vigilance here makes this place a welcome refuge from the latter. Though not a fan of Jim Rome, he has an apt expression: “Have a take and don’t suck”. Take a deep breath and stick around as you are half way there. When you come to substantiate your obvious passion, you’ll be the next “LGT success story”.
I would also like to comment on what a wonderful place this is. I don’t post often, but really that is because I don’t frequently have time to put the necessary thought process into the post. I really like the fact that if you post something without a solid argument, then you will learn how to better phrase your thought process. To me this is the best source to find additional insight on all things Indians. There are frequently posts showing different views, and well argued points, as well as posts that explain and educate the readers to better understand why the Front Office is doing what they are doing. Way to go and keep up the good work.
This. Picking up Lopez and Cunningham is shopping in the dollar bin. That’s a good thing! Sometimes you get useful stuff inexpensively. This doesn’t prevent or preclude or replace other moves. Plus, it’s hard to predict what these moves could turn into. This is more-or-less how we got Blake (and he was 29 with less than 200 PAs in the bigs at the time), which is how we got Santana.
Sure, these guys will probably amount to nothing significant, but the organization is losing nothing by taking a chance on them — unless you think we really needed a soft-tossing righty out of the pen. (And if we want that, we can probably always get back J-Lew, who also comes with DVD-commentary skills.)
I agree with the premise of this comment and am generally not surprised by the blow-back provided here. I like the front office strategy with stockpiling depth because it appears they have agreed to enter the season with the primary nucleus intact. Fair enough, I feel this team can compete as is and make a deep run at the AL Central title, but have promoted in the past that an upgrade with one of these free agent types or trade would drastically push the team into serious deep playoff contender status (dare I say World Series). I’ve also taken issue with those who push the organization line about money and use that as an excuse to hamstring long term decisions. It is fair to question why the team wasn’t particularly aggressive in this crop of listed free agents, but it is also fair to ask why Jose Reyes, Prince Fielder, and even Carlos Beltran are not in the conversation. Unfortunately the team has a recent history of dabbling with re-treads that has not amounted to many positive outcomes. The team appears to be cobbling together some fruits and nuts when steaks and lobster is really where we should be investing because the periods of opportunity must be capitalized on fully. Also, what’s with the obsessive rules on here like “no using the subject line” and correcting people for grammar. This is a baseball blog people, and we are all Cleveland Indians fans.
by AlkiTribesman on Dec 18, 2011 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
Also, what’s with the obsessive rules on here like "no using the subject line" and correcting people for grammar.
The grammar and lack of subject line are in accord with the rest of the moderation philosophy here, I think. Holding everyone to a high standard of argument and language, and eliminating obstacles to visual flow (subject lines and gifs) makes for a more pleasant reading experience. Nitpicking grammar isn’t necessary for this but it’s probably a side product of the types of personalities that enjoy this kind of discussion.
by cleveland teamer on Dec 19, 2011 7:32 AM EST up reply actions
The mods have never made a practice of correcting grammar.
We have encouraged people not to use the subject line, but others are more insistent on it. It ends up being helpful advice to new users that they will seem less obnoxious to established users if they don’t use it, because it indicates a respect for local custom.
Yeah, meant to imply that the moderation philosophy extends beyond the mods. Local customs, as you put it. The fact that the rest of the community is protective of those customs (to an idiosyncratic degree, maybe, when it comes to grammar) is a sign that the mods have fostered a productive culture. Or that we are all minions.
by cleveland teamer on Dec 19, 2011 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
Good points.
RE: the subject line, it is objectively better to avoid the subject line than to use it. Pretty much no argument there. So, the question is: how do you enforce it? And robotic, slam-dunk 100% feedback is actually the most kind way of doing it. No questions asked, no subject line.
Purely based on sales, there is a 90% chance that you own at least two NIckelback albums.
I was pumped when I saw that Cunningham has a career minor league OPS of .869. Then I saw that Matt LaPorta’s is .956 (Shelley Duncan’s is .823). So, yeah, maybe this is grasping at straws.
by ken from alexandria on Dec 16, 2011 6:59 PM EST reply actions
I’ve attempted to mimic those particular hand moves myself, repeatedly, and have failed to do so every time.
Mesmerizing. I have a soft spot for Brendan Fraser. To think he pitched for the Yankees. Hideki Irabu before Hideki Irabu. I only know this because it was the very first movie on VHS that I ever marketed. One of my proudest moments.
“The Scout is the best comedy-fantasy about baseball ever made…”
I chose that line.
The words after the elipsis were “…, and to believe that you have to be a complete lunatic.”
by Bogalusa Bomber on Dec 21, 2011 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
The Scout seems to be the only movie in which Albert Brooks got writing or screenplay credit but did not also direct. Brendan Fraser, outside of a few things like Gods and Monsters and The Quiet American, has had Buster Crabbe’s career, but he keeps trying—he’s got six movies due out in the next year.
Yes, in the Dudley Moore role. Dudley was a lot better. The original, from 1967, is a gem all the way around.
by YoDaddyWags on Dec 22, 2011 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
SIx movies! Holy cow. No wonder he looks figgity and frazzled. Fraser confuses me. When I expect him to be perfect, he’s horrible and unwatchable, but when I expect nothing, he dials it down and is charming and engaging. See Blast from the Past. Perfectly charming whimsy. Christopher Walken as his offbeat genius dad who loves hot Dr. Pepper is classic.
Weird thing about Albert Brooks; he changed his name from Albert Einstein. Who changes their name when you can be Albert Einstein. Him flop sweating in Broadcast News gives me the chills every time I have to speak publicly. Can’s shake that scene.
by Bogalusa Bomber on Dec 22, 2011 6:50 AM EST up reply actions
Brooks might get Oscar love for his work in Drive, but he actually deserves it more for a lot other work (Defending Your Life, Lost in America, Finding Nemo)/
If the guy is our “Answer” at 1st/ RH bat, then apparently not, BUT the guy is coming here as a MINOR league free agent… Which means he doesn’t really impact us that much… It’s not like we signed him to a multi-million dollar deal, he is being given a shot to resurrect his MLB career. The guy had some promise, once. If I remember right, part of the reason we were able to get Asdrubal was because Lopez was blocking him on the M’s…
True. Low risk, medium reward I suppose. I feel like we need to grab a piece that can help us before all the good free agents are taken.
Ndamukong Suh makes James Harrison look like a teletubby.
by Heavysoviet on Dec 17, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
As far as minor-league signings go, Lopez is exactly the kind you want to make – not too old and not too far removed from actual quality play. As for the Cunningham trade, even if he doesn’t work out, this is exactly the kind of deal the Indians should be making with some of their minor league bullpen depth. Cory Burns was never going to be a significant part of a “big” trade, and there was a decent shot he was never going to be part of the Indians bullpen. At the moment the Indians bullpen depth goes something like this:
C Perez
V Pestano
T Sipp
R Perez
J Smith
N Hagadone
Z Putnam
F Herrmann
K De La Cruz
D Salazar
(all of the above on the 40-man roster)
J Judy
C Lee
B Stowell
R Bryson
C Burns
In other words, Burns is somewhere between 13-16 on the Indians relief depth chart….and for him we got a guy who stands a reasonable chance of starting 50+ games in Cleveland this season, is only a year removed from a productive season in San Diego, and has experience at all 3 outfield spots. Win. And a good example of an asset having less value to us than our trade partner, in Burns, and vice versa with Cunningham.
by APV on Dec 17, 2011 8:38 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Also, even though this is likely to have very little impact, these are the kind of moves that make the Indians far and away the easiest Cleveland team to root for
In fairness to them, the Browns also acquire a lot of minor-league quality players.
by Joel D on Dec 17, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If Cunningham is just a backup plan acquisition, the move is fine, no prob. But it would be even better if he had options left, since he now has to pass thru waivers to become true OF depth over the course of the season, rather than someone who is not guaranteed to be waiting at Columbus if he doesn’t make the 25 out of spring training.
The move is understandably a little depressing if you interpret the lack of options as a signal that the Tribe is standing pat in the OF. Let’s say Grady tweaks his knee in ST (very comfortably within the probability spectrum). That means we now have either Zeke or Willingham pencilled into the lineup. Nothing to applaud there – in fact I’ll give it a preemptive boo – they can do better than that, and should.
Of course, they probably aren’t done TRYING to improve the OF personnel, and this truly is a backup move where its worth Burns to even be in the position where they can say goodbye to Cunningham come April. But that’s the thing about insurance – sometimes you have to use it. I hope they don’t in this case.
It think your 2nd paragraph is well taken, and there’s a compelling argument that these moves indicate others aren’t coming. We’ll just have to wait and see but, at the least, they’ve already effectively given away Carrera/LaPorta’s roster spots. Any more oves are going to come at the expense of someone like Duncan, Hannahan, or Cunningham. I’m unsure what they’re appetite is to DFA those types but, like you, I suspect they’d be more hesitant than they were with MaTola.
I definitely see the move as pushing Zeke down on the depth chart, and that has to be a good thing.
Let’s be brutally honest about this. As of this moment, our starting OF averaged just 90 games apiece last season. The played 270, missed 216.
We had five games last season started by Head-Zeke-Fukudome, and another five started by Crowe-Zeke-Fukudome.
Added to which, we’re not exactly at the point where it would be a crime to option Brantley.
So let’s not kid ourselves. It is pretty damned likely that Cunningham will not be looking at a DFA, and if he is, that would be a nice problem to have.
I go get engaged this weekend and miss all the action around here. Good timing, Shaponetti!
Matt LaPorta is the bane of my existence.
by USSChoo on Dec 18, 2011 9:40 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
You are marrying someone named Shaponetti?…weird. And congrats.
by APV on Dec 18, 2011 10:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Congrats. Is she aware that you’ll be hiding in your room on LGT while she’s cleaning the dishes after dinner?
by Bogalusa Bomber on Dec 22, 2011 6:52 AM EST up reply actions

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