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LaRoche, Judy, Etc—Loose End Transactions

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I'm back after a week out of the country (spent largely internet-less) and nothing of serious note appears to have happened in Indians-land. There are a few more rumors and a few minor moves, though, so we might as well.

Josh Judy is no longer a Cleveland Indian. The Cincinnati Reds claimed Judy after the Indians removed him from the 40-man roster in favor of the newly acquired Aaron Cunningham. Judy has been moving through the Indians farm system since being drafted in the 34th round in 2007. The right hander is a career reliever and he's moved up the chain more or less in the order you'd expect, finally making his (poor) major league debut last season. As a 25 year old career reliever with no significant major league experience, it was no great surprise that Judy was the first to be shown the door when the walls began to close on the back of the 40. However, that doesn't mean he didn't have his boosters. Lastoria has always liked Judy and had tagged him for a possible 2012 breakout in the mold of Pestano. That doesn't seem all that far-fetched—Judy has real stuff, with a fastball that can touch the mid-90s, but the reality is that most relievers in the "AAA depth" pile that Josh calls home never amount to much.

However, Lastoria is also correct to point out that this makes Cunningham's real price tag Corey Burns and Josh Judy and that this could all look pretty stupid if Cunningham can't make the roster and is lost on waivers. We'll wait until that actually happens to consider our misery, though. For now, the Indians have seen a couple of semi-interesting arms walk away in exchange for a semi-interesting bat at a position of far greater need.

Star-divide

The Indians haven't slowed up on minor league contracts during my vacation, it seems, with Andy LaRoche signing a minor league deal + ST invite with the club. I wrote about the Indians lust for failed top prospects after the Cunningham signing and LaRoche might be the most glaring example of this strategy to date. LaRoche was once an uber-prospect of sorts, spending two consecutive years at BA's #19 spot. His major league career has never made good on that promise, though—his issues are manifold but his sharp decline in power as he grew older and moved up the ladder stands out. That's basically the opposite of what's supposed to happen and it's why he made so many prognosticators look so silly.

LaRoche was supposed to be an all-star third baseman but at this point he's just hoping to be a major leaguer. As a result, his position has become increasingly ambiguous. He's played some 1B and 2B over the years and the A's even rolled him out at SS last season, apparently while keeping a straight face about it. For the Indians purposes', he'll be thrown into the "Give Us The Leftover 1B At-Bats!" death match that's currently being fought by Matt LaPorta, Shelley Duncan, Cord Phelps, and some guy who used to work at Cedar Point. Each is armed with a toy mallet. LaRoche has a noted advantage in this fight by virtue of being a right-handed batter and a noted disadvantage by virtue of being unable to hit at the major league level.

In LaRoche and Pie, Cleveland has brought in two players with serious pedigrees as former prospects, and, correspondingly, long track records of not performing in the majors. Sure, there's some chance for lightning in a bottle with either of these gentlemen, but their major league track records (each has over 1000 PA's of "uhh, that's not good") indicate these guys might be key figures in the fortunes of the perennially contending Columbus Clippers, if anything.

On the "Other Possibilities" front, the Rockies have stymied the Indians again, signing Casey Blake to a one year, $2M dollar deal. That seems like a reasonable number for Casey's services but I find it hard to convince myself that the 38 year-old Casey Blake is a make or break acquisition for Cleveland's 2012 season.

The Indians are still chumming the trade waters and apparently made a call on Nick Swisher. That doesn't make a lot of sense to me, considering Swisher's $10.25M price tag and New York's lack of outfield depth. Still, no harm in trying and I wouldn't turn my nose up at a homecoming for the Columbus-born Swisher. Though there are no significant rumors, the Padres are still sitting on a cache of 1B that the Indians are surely intrigued by—there's some scuttlebutt that the Pads would like to use part of that cache to snag Matt Garza to which I say, hey, isn't Fausto Carmona kind of like a really budget version of Matt Garza? Maybe?

Finally, the Rockies are supposedly making googly eyes towards Cody Ross. Ross could be the world's most boring domino, making Seth Smith (the world's second most boring domino) available via trade. That's not much help to the Indians—if anything, they should be in on the right-handed hitting Ross as a platoon option in a corner OF spot, as opposed to the left-handed hitting Smith. Even that would probably be foolish, as Shelley Duncan has already been cast as "lovable right-handed lunkhead" for the 2012 season, despite his loony reverse split in 2011. Then again, maybe Ross could platoon with him, making an unusual (and embarrassing) all right-handed platoon come to life?

Here's to a happy new year for all of you, and I hope the holiday season has brought you whatever it is you wrote on your wish list (besides Carlos Beltran, of course).

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Maybe we can get Lofgren, Hodges, or Aaron Lowenstein for Burns.

Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic. - Robert S. Wieder

by jerseywahoo on Dec 27, 2011 1:37 PM EST reply actions  

A quick organizational overview at season’s end revealed that we would have to move a middle infielder or 2 and most likely multiple bullpen guys. Although I don’t know what we should have done differently, it’s still a little disappointing that those areas of surplus have taken a large hit and the only 25 man help it garnered was the possible contributions of Aaron Cunningham.

by TKilbane on Dec 27, 2011 2:45 PM EST reply actions  

Cunningham’s real price tag Corey Burns and Josh Judy

They had to know this was probable when they made the move. Should this make me feel better about Diaz’s chances for development or just really bad about the SS position behind Asdrubal?

by TKilbane on Dec 27, 2011 2:54 PM EST reply actions  

Funny thing is Judy is probably more valuable than Burns

by APV on Dec 27, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I was just thinking this. The Padres weren’t interested in Judy? Not that keeping Burns would have been that much more helpful, but if they looked forward and thought Judy might go, would they have offered him up to the Padres?

Matt LaPorta is the bane of my existence.

by USSChoo on Dec 27, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Roster space.

by Brick. on Dec 28, 2011 2:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I assume you mean on the Padres side.

Matt LaPorta is the bane of my existence.

by USSChoo on Dec 28, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Whoops. The article mentions accidental excellence in 2010. Nevermind.

by emd2k3 on Dec 27, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

if Carmona is a budget version of Garza, call up Theo right now and offer a swap.

by westbrook on Dec 27, 2011 7:01 PM EST reply actions  

I think we have different definitions of “budget.”

by afh4 on Dec 27, 2011 10:27 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

I will gladly trade our $7MM Carmona for the $9MM Carmona (Garza), knowing full well that the Expensive Carmona is worth the extra two million.

by westbrook on Dec 27, 2011 11:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Realistically: When is the last time we lost a player like Cunningham on waivers at the end of spring training?

Bottom line, a quality fourth outfielder is really not as fungible as a middle reliever on the bubble. It may seem like they’re similar, but really they’re not.

by Jay on Dec 27, 2011 7:13 PM EST reply actions  

I guess nobody’s taking the bait on this?

What I’m suggesting is that all this hand-wringing over “at what cost Cunningham” is a bit overblown. If we don’t upgrade our outfield in some fashion, we’re keeping Cunningham. If we do upgrade our outfield, we’re probably still keeping him.

There’s this little thing called the 60-day DL.

by Jay on Dec 28, 2011 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree. Of course, around 12/29, just about everything in baseball is overblown.

by afh4 on Dec 29, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

there’s a ron washington joke in here.

by Brick. on Dec 29, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

We need to get someone assigned to that.

by Jay on Dec 30, 2011 12:52 AM EST up reply actions  

A good move at the end of 2011, that would be awesome… except if is a Minor League deal

by Polemic on Dec 27, 2011 8:52 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

[he’ll be thrown into the “Give Us The Leftover 1B At-Bats!” death match that’s currently being fought by Matt LaPorta, Shelley Duncan, Cord Phelps, and some guy who used to work at Cedar Point. Each is armed with a toy mallet]

you, sir, just made my day.

by Mr. Bad Example on Dec 28, 2011 10:33 AM EST reply actions  

I’d totally take Shelley Duncan in such a death match. He looks like he can beast with toy mallet.

by hans on Dec 28, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

He kind of looks like he’s been on the receiving end of some blows with a mallet in his day.

by Joel D on Dec 28, 2011 8:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, though as you can see…he’s still left standing.

by hans on Dec 28, 2011 11:54 PM EST up reply actions  

The Nats signed Derosa today. That’s another name off the shopping list.

Let’s take a flier on Cantu.

by Toxicadam on Dec 28, 2011 3:21 PM EST reply actions  

Carlos Pena is still available. He might not get more than a 1yr deal. Any reason we couldn’t be that team?

Matt LaPorta is the bane of my existence.

by USSChoo on Dec 28, 2011 3:44 PM EST reply actions  

“Because free agency is an inefficient market. It’s better to spend that money on your own players as they hit their prime. And when you can’t do that, spend the money on Felix Pie and a season’s supply of Wild Turkey.”

-Mark S.

by M.J.D. on Dec 28, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Possible first tweet for FakeMarkShapiro?

by Jay on Dec 28, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I had forgotten about Pena.

Win Shares over the last 5 years (starting with 2011): 18, 16, 17, 22, 28

I know he his left handed but is the Prince Fielder market supposed to shake out first?

by cheech99 on Dec 28, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d rather sign a one handed first baseman than watch Math LaPorta wave at another slider 3 feet off the plate.

Matt LaPorta is the bane of my existence.

by USSChoo on Dec 28, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

He was from just down the road from me.

Matt LaPorta is the bane of my existence.

by USSChoo on Dec 28, 2011 8:38 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s not an athlete, he’s a mathlete?

by InfiniteMonkeyTypists on Dec 29, 2011 7:29 AM EST up reply actions  

And you might be right on the Prince Fielder market. It might be wise, however, to try to pry him lose before, as I imagine demand will increase after Fielder is taken.

Matt LaPorta is the bane of my existence.

by USSChoo on Dec 28, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Is it just me or does it make more sense to give Phelps or Donald reps at 1B,instead of Brantley. Obviously not an ideal solution but I’d much prefer that crazy experiment over the Brantley experiment.

"sometimes the internet is hard for me." - ClemsonGirl

by world dictator on Dec 29, 2011 7:03 PM EST reply actions  

He has logged quite a few innings at 1B in the minors, so from a defense standpoint it could be moot. From an offense standpoint, push?

Matt LaPorta is the bane of my existence.

by USSChoo on Dec 29, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

It makes more sense to give all non-pitchers on the 40-man reps at 1B before Brantley. With the possible exception of Diaz. Forgive me im a few Christmas Ales in watching RG3 getting outplayed by the Washington QB

by cheech99 on Dec 29, 2011 10:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it’s going to be pretty obvious pretty quickly that Brantley or Carrera has to play CF. If Grady is able to stay healthy for long enough to get a good read on his defense, I think it’ll be poor.

by afh4 on Dec 30, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t expect him to last in center more than a month.

by Roger Dorn on Dec 30, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

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