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Game 9: Indians 6, Mariners 4

The Indians spotted Josh Tomlin to a 6-0 lead by the middle of the fourth inning, and with that, the sweep was pretty much completed. The Mariners haven't scored more than six runs in a game all year, and they've scored six only once, in their season opener in Oakland.

A year ago, the Mariners were a team that inspired optimism, flush with pitching and defense. At the same time, the Indians were a team no one wanted to touch, with little established major league talent and a bevy of prospects that many were prepared to write off. Just a year later, no one seems to have much optimism for the Mariners, a team that lost 101 games a year ago, that has $94 million in payroll obligations for this year and $60 million for the next, and that is sitting at 2–7 while looking every bit as bad as that record.

In contrast, the Indians are suddenly surging, with only $50 million on the books this season, $14 million the next, and a record the exact mirror image of Seattle's: 7–2. Cleveland has stars in Shin-Soo Choo, Carlos Santana, and Chris Perez; a pair of young arms in Masterson and Carrasco who may be transitioning from question marks to exclamation points; and two super-heroes we thought had retired, lurking in the shadows. 

Star-divide

I'm ahead of myself, though. Today's game featured another excellent outing by Josh Tomlin, whom I've sworn off maligning. Tomlin looked exactly like he always does, attacking hitters with his underwhelming repertoire and daring them to hit it. As has often been the case in his Tomlin's major league career, the Mariners couldn't answer his dare and never really looked comfortable facing him. He ran into trouble in the seventh inning, but his final line was good, and he notched his second quality start of the season in two tries.

When that trouble arrived, Manny Acta went to Chad Durbin, who surrendered a home run to Michael Saunders and a single to Chris Gimenez (yes, that guy) before leaving the game. Rafael Perez came in to help the Indians escape the inning, but it's up for debate how many more high leverage situations Durbin will enter as the first option. Frank Herrmann has already scuffled this season, so if a righty setup man is going to be nominated on the fly, it likely will be Pestano or Germano. Hopefully, Pestano's the choice—he's looked great in the majors, striking out 11 over seven innings between last season and this one, and he's been one of the best relievers in the Indians farm system for two years. 

Despite Seattle's three-run outburst in the bottom of the seventh, the game was never really close. As I wrote in the lede, the Mariners really, really struggle to score, and the Indians have two very high quality relievers in Chris Perez and Tony Sipp. The amount of handwringing in the game thread indicates just how conditioned for failure we are as Indians fans. These were the next six Mariners batters after the seventh inning:

Chone Figgins
Adam Kennedy
Jack Cust
Justin Smoak
Ryan Langerhans
Luis Rodriguez

Objectively, there is no reason to think these six were going to score two runs off of Sipp and Perez. Obviously, it's baseball, and wacky things happen, but the lack of quality in that lineup, especially in the context of Sipp, Rage and Safeco, is apparent. As the WPA makes clear, this wasn't a game the Mariners were ever really in a position to win. 

Chest sufficiently puffed, it'd probably be smart to remember that this Indians team and its 7-2 record is riding, in part, the hot bats of Jack Hannahan and Orlando Cabrera, as well as Cy Young level performances from Justin Masterson and Josh Tomlin. Likely, this is still a team that will have to battle to reach .500. The point is not to suddenly think the Indians are contenders—that would take a type of magic they don't manufacture in Cleveland. 

The point is that the Indians aren't hopeless or hapless—after two years of absolutely miserable plays made by players that didn't even hold much hope for the future, your new Cleveland Indians have arrived. They're not fully developed yet, and they could still fall flat on their faces, but for the first time in a long time you can squint and see a future in this squad. The assertion that Michael Brantley can play everyday is moving from defensible to obvious. Imagining Masterson as a game-two starter seems more and more reasonable. A looped fantasy of Asdrubal Cabrera carrying a team into the playoffs with a scorching final month seems less fantastical than it did yesterday. Chris Perez on the mound in a division clincher, breathing fire and then throwing it, is less pipe dream and more secret hope. More likely than not, this group of players will break our hearts, be it sooner or later. For now, though, the sun is out in Cleveland. The Indians' future is finally somewhere we can see it, and it looks pretty damn good. 

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Highest WPA Lowest WPA
A. Cabrera .172 Durbin -.079
Duncan .098 Santana -.037
Tomlin .082 LaPorta -.033

via www.fangraphs.com

If you haven't, check out The Breakdown I posted earlier, summarizing the last 9 days. 

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Excellent summary. The future is nice to see.

This start to the season could reap a nice return at the box office. I’m not saying the crowds will be sell-outs, but an increase to 15,000/game (with some big turnouts thrown in) means a needed increase in attendance.

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin

by Spidey on Apr 10, 2011 8:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Piggybacking on a previous post, I think the social media integration has really helped enflame the excitement. I think a 7 game winning streak in April would rile me up, regardless, but it’s pretty neat to see Manny, C. Perez and Shapiro as amped on the victories as we all are.

by supersizeme on Apr 10, 2011 8:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Did Chris Perez really just quote Lou Brown. Wow!

In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).

by V-Mart Shopper on Apr 10, 2011 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unless I’m misremembering, he didn’t really quote him all that well.

by cheech99 on Apr 10, 2011 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Check out his Bio for more laughs.

by Ryan on Apr 11, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree 110%. I’m a huge fan of the decision by the Indians Organization to utilize social media as a way of reaching out to the fans and making us feel closely involved!

by k7brown on Apr 10, 2011 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know it’s way too early, injuries and all that stuff. But how do they shuffle Columbus when Donald is ready. Can’t really see them having Donald taking over Everett’s role. And Phelps is destroying the ball.

Again… I know, it’s early.

by cheech99 on Apr 10, 2011 8:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Good problem to have if it comes. I’ll worry about it then.

by APV on Apr 10, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I told you just a month ago that we’d have tough decision to make when Donald and Sizemore came off the DL wouldn’t you be ecstatic?

by 7foot3 on Apr 10, 2011 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m going to save this one for when times get rough. Excellent read. Thanks.

Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute

by mjschaefer on Apr 10, 2011 9:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Rec. All four mods/contributors have stepped up their game considerably with the advent of the season. And it’s hard to believe that was even possible.

Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile

by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Apr 10, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree. I bet the W’s help.

"I want to be playing at the end of October or the end of September -- not just at the beginning of April." —Grady

by westbrook on Apr 11, 2011 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree. This site has been even better with the new weekly features they’ve been doing.

by Buckeye Brad on Apr 11, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

key thing is, I feel like when they break our hearts, their hearts will also be broken and the majority of that squad will be coming back a year wiser and ready to push harder…haven’t had that feeling in a while

by DoubleWahoo05 on Apr 10, 2011 9:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Feel that way too. It may just be the social media talking, but I definitely feel like this team is legitimately invested in the season and wants to do well for the fans.

by Turkmenbashi on Apr 10, 2011 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, the 2010 San Diego Padres started 3 and 6.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Apr 10, 2011 9:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Joe Smith will probably take Durbin’s role when he returns, right?

by JRontherim on Apr 10, 2011 10:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Addressed this in the breakdown but, yes, Pestano’s only getting a shot if he can get to it before Smith returns.

by afh4 on Apr 10, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, I know. I read the recap. I was just mentioning Smith since he seems to have gone unmentioned since his injury. I figured we all agreed that Smith would take over Durbin’s role when he returns. Until then, I wouldn’t argue with Pestano taking it tomorrow. I’m not sure what role that leaves Durbin, though, and, as you said alluded to, Herrmann is probably the first off the 25 man.

by JRontherim on Apr 10, 2011 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Remove the word “said”, of course.

by JRontherim on Apr 10, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well the scenarios are basically:

Pestano gets a chance and pitches ok, Smith returns, Hermann off, Durbin to Hermann’s role (nothing), Acta deals with good problem of Smith/Pestano both going pretty good.

Pestano doesn’t get chance before Smith shows up, things basically hold with Smith being primary RHP RP, Pestano/Durbin splitting the extra non-long work.

Pestano gets chance and sucks.

by afh4 on Apr 10, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess what I’m trying to say is: I’m not sure why Durbin’s role really matters. If he can’t pitch well, he goes to the end of the line. This isn’t like Chris Perez has come out of the gate struggling—there’s not a lot of reasons to extend Durbin’s opportunities.

by afh4 on Apr 10, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was in the process of asking if we even knew what Durbin’s role is yet. His appearances have been mopup, then matchup, then he struggled to much the latter two times to stay in long enough. We’ve gotten away without having a RHP to get 3 crucial outs later in the game, but I don’t see how Smith gets a shot at that role yet.

by 7foot3 on Apr 10, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Smith will slide right into it. We’ll see.

by afh4 on Apr 10, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Raffy and Sipp are so ridiculous right now that we haven’t needed a set-up RHP to step up.

"I want to be playing at the end of October or the end of September -- not just at the beginning of April." —Grady

by westbrook on Apr 11, 2011 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

So true. I love the late-inning ’pen right now.

by JulioBernazard on Apr 11, 2011 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Raffy’s k-rate has returned too…

by stuart dean on Apr 11, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

For sure. I didn’t mean to sound disappointed that Durbin’s role might become a question mark. Outside of experience, I’m not sure how much more Durbin has to offer than Herrmann, anyway, but I don’t see the organization cutting ties with Durbin that quickly. That signing struck me as odd to begin with.

On a related note, Joe Martinez is blowin’ suckas down in Columbus.

by JRontherim on Apr 11, 2011 6:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

On a related note, Joe Martinez is blowin’ suckas down in Columbus.

Erm.

by Chemo on Apr 11, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

But hasn’t Pestano already been pitching ok in the opportunities he’s gotten? Why should that be stopped?

In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).

by V-Mart Shopper on Apr 11, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think at this point he takes Herrmann’s role, with Herrmann going down to Columbus. Durbin has a longer leash.

by APV on Apr 10, 2011 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is what I imagined. Put that Harvard guy in his place.

by JRontherim on Apr 11, 2011 6:17 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Was at the game this afternoon and, in addition to relishing a victory in a sea of Seattle hipsters, I was really impressed with Brantley’s skill and poise. His arm, of all things, really jumped out. LaPorta hit another of his long pull-fouls, but looked lethargic and flat-footed at the plate. And, Shelley Duncan, man is he energetic. Watching him warm up in left-field between innings was mesmerizing – he made the bullpen catcher work, that’s for sure.

by macasson on Apr 10, 2011 11:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh, and that double that Marson hit off of Bedard was scorched.

by macasson on Apr 10, 2011 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Asdrubal is becoming my favorite Indian.

by Toxicadam on Apr 10, 2011 11:53 PM EDT reply actions  

I know it’s been said too many times, but I’m still amazed that our 2-3-4 hitters, all of whom are great, came in return for Benuardo and Casey Blake.

Are you kidding me?

by JRontherim on Apr 11, 2011 6:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

And our fifth came as part of a trade (with Aaron Myette – no one special) for Einar Diaz and Ryan Drese.

by Matt Y. on Apr 11, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Chest sufficiently puffed, it’d probably be smart to remember that this Indians team and its 7-2 record is riding, in part, the hot bats of Jack Hannahan and Orlando Cabrera, as well as Cy Young level performances from Justin Masterson and Josh Tomlin. Likely, this is still a team that will have to battle to reach .500.

One of the best parts for me is that both of those guys have long-term replacements ready to break in this year… and a third guy, Phelps, serving as a fallback should either not work out.

Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile

by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Apr 11, 2011 9:57 AM EDT reply actions  

So if Phelps continues to hit, we have a problem. A good one, but a problem. We also have a bad problem if LaPorta never starts to hit. What if we moved Phelps to first? would he hit well enough for it to be worth it?

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Apr 11, 2011 10:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Phelps clearly isn’t a long-term answer for first base.

It would be unusual for Donald to lose his starting job based on a short-term injury, but not unheard-of. I see Hannahan shifting into a utility role to make room for one of these guys.

by Jay on Apr 11, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

All this depends on if Hannahan keeps hitting, obviously, but why not move him to first and Phelps to third?

LGT's resident moderate Yankee hating fan.

by Joe. on Apr 11, 2011 12:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Because he is a 31-year-old utility infielder a career OPS of .666, and that would require giving up PAs for some combination of LaPorta, Santana, and Marson.

by VA tribe fan on Apr 11, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea, as much as I am enjoying Hannahan, he basically has zero history of hitting. He should be a back-up and defensive specialist if better options present themselves, better options meaning guys that are capable of hitting even at a league average or slightly under level.

by Roger Dorn on Apr 11, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was great last year in AAA, had a great ST, and is doing well to start the season. With his defensive ability, I think they should ride this out until he stops hitting. Who knows, he could be a valuable trading piece at the deadline.

LGT's resident moderate Yankee hating fan.

by Joe. on Apr 11, 2011 1:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

All told last year at AAA, he had hit .237/.340/374/.714. I realize MLE calculations are a bit sketchy, but I’m coming up with a line of .193/.277/.279 at Tacoma and .215/.298/.362 in Pawtucket. I like Hannahan, and I’m glad he’s hitting well, I hope that he somehow keeps hitting well, and I like the idea of keeping a defensive specialist around, but “great” is not the most accurate adjective for that.

by VA tribe fan on Apr 11, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who knows, he could be a valuable trading piece at the deadline.

Bavasi does not currently possess the launch code at any MLB teams

by stuart dean on Apr 11, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Maybe he’s the next casey blake.

In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).

by V-Mart Shopper on Apr 11, 2011 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would be unusual for Donald to lose his starting job based on a short-term injury, but not unheard-of.

by afh4 on Apr 11, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

How does anyone not love this man?

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Apr 11, 2011 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

My love of him is both well-documented and sort of creepy.

by VA tribe fan on Apr 11, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

My question is what if it turns out LaPorta isn’t a long term answer either? If neither look like they will hold the position long term, why not give Phelps a shot at producing in the majors?

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Apr 11, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

There’s just not much point in running Phelps out there at 1B—there’s absolutely no chance he can stick there and by playing him there you can’t evaluate his defense. You’d be better off to slide Santana over there more often see if Marson can establish himself as a regular catcher, to either make the Santana move permanently (unlikely) or move Marson in a deal that could bring back a 1B. Another option would be to play Duncan there and see if he can establish himself as a replacement level 1B. Yet another would be to see if Weglarz can stick there when he gets healthy.

Playing a guy who’s bat is not even in the same galaxy as the position regularly is not going to happen.

by afh4 on Apr 11, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess I had thought that Phelps’ line was good enough for a first baseman, but after actually looking it up, his power numbers were not what I thought. I had also forgotten that we still have Weglarz at first, which is admittedly quite the oversight on my part. I was thinking through this scenario as if our next best first base prospect was someone like Beau Mills or Wes Hodges.

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Apr 11, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, the scouting reports just aren’t there on Phelps either. There’s question about whether he has more than a utility bat, let alone a 1B bat.

by afh4 on Apr 11, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I got too caught up in his success last season without considering whether or not he could be reasonably expected to reproduce that.

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Apr 11, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s easy to forgive the oversight of “forgetting” about Weglarz. He doesn’t have a position.

Abner Abreu could Wegs this year.

by jhon on Apr 11, 2011 3:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Explaining sample size to dullards is less annoying when we’re winning.

by stuart dean on Apr 11, 2011 11:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Looking at our posts per game thread, it appears we started slow and have been improving over time, just like the 2011 Indians (I’m choosing to ignore a more obvious reason the post counts have been lower this season).

by FredOx on Apr 11, 2011 1:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Is there a more obvious reason?

by afh4 on Apr 11, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

The MIA don’t post.

by FredOx on Apr 11, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

When did Brick and Fleerdon ditch?

by Jay on Apr 11, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Early last season for Fleerdon.

by JRontherim on Apr 11, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

The last straw for brick was September 2, 2010, although he’s been around a time or two since then. He still logs in from time to time, though (Hi, brick – we miss you in the Pollyanna Club, but at least there’s more tea and cookies to go around). Tyler deleted his account, but I can’t find anything since last May.

The girls came back, so maybe there’s still hope.

by FredOx on Apr 11, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

What happened Sept 2, 2010? Did I miss something?

I just want to believe.

by mjmarble on Apr 11, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remember him being perturbed in a thread about minor leaguers or something.

"I want to be playing at the end of October or the end of September -- not just at the beginning of April." —Grady

by westbrook on Apr 11, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

http://www.letsgotribe.com/2010/8/29/1657498/second-base-a-dialogue-concluded

"I want to be playing at the end of October or the end of September -- not just at the beginning of April." —Grady

by westbrook on Apr 11, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remember that now – but, my gosh, you’ve got a good memory.

I just want to believe.

by mjmarble on Apr 11, 2011 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

the SBN search system really is excellent.

"I want to be playing at the end of October or the end of September -- not just at the beginning of April." —Grady

by westbrook on Apr 11, 2011 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow. Reading some of the comments about ACab in that thread is interesting in light of how he is hitting to start this season.

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin

by Spidey on Apr 11, 2011 8:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Are they upset with this site, or just baseball in general?

In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).

by V-Mart Shopper on Apr 11, 2011 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

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