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Grady Sizemore is back with the club and should be activated either tomorrow or Monday. Travis Buck, who has an option, is likely going to Columbus. Grady will play center, with Michael Brantley in left.

Update: To make room for Sizemore on the 25-man roster, the Indians have placed Mitch Talbot on the 15-day Disabled List with a right elbow strain.

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And apparently, they found an option on both Buck and Duncan – nice! I’d guess Buck goes down to play everyday at Cbus, which is what he needs anyway.

I’d also suspect Grady will start in CF tomorrow. Why not? Weather’s not different than what he’s been playing in, he’s due to play anyway after a couple days off, home field, etc.

by mcrose on Apr 16, 2011 8:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Having an option on Buck almost seems too good to be true. Dreamy upside on what was basically a free player.

by Jay on Apr 16, 2011 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Apologies for stealing your “too good to be true” bit a minute after you posted Jay.

by cheech99 on Apr 16, 2011 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, no, no, please Santa, don’t take away the crazy eyes!

Our best players wear suits.

by mauichuck on Apr 16, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

As a fairly serious baseball fun, I am routinely baffled by the option rules. How is it that we don’t know if someone has/doesn’t have options? Are they flipping coins somewhere to determine who gets options?

by OddlyGaussian on Apr 16, 2011 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

You asked the perfect guy, so I’ll keep it brief: Once you’re on the 40-man, each individual year you get sent down burns an option. Sometimes a 4th one is available, for any of a number of rare reasons.

"I want to be playing at the end of October or the end of September -- not just at the beginning of April." —Grady

by westbrook on Apr 16, 2011 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, you get 3 options (unless you get 4). Seems clear enough.

I think I’ll continue to think of options as magical gifts from the baseball fairies, used to save marginally useful baseball players.

by OddlyGaussian on Apr 16, 2011 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

More often than not, actually, it’s the marginal players who are not saved by option rules.

by Jay on Apr 17, 2011 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

And draftees signed to major league contracts usually end up qualifying for the 4th.

"Spring Training wins are good for the soul."

by USSChoo on Apr 17, 2011 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

And needing a sixth.

by Jay on Apr 17, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

As a fairly serious baseball fun

That’s our favorite kind of fun around here.

The persuasion is not inherent in the lobster.

by Joel D on Apr 16, 2011 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree. Until today, Buck was not playing well (yes, its early) and it would be hard to justify keeping him over duncan who was good for us last year. We can now let buck develop a bit more and keep duncan. best of both worlds.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Apr 17, 2011 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

There should be a class given to all aspiring GM’s on “how to scrounge up players whom you didn’t know had an option”. This is almost too good to be true. Kudos to Shaponetti

by cheech99 on Apr 16, 2011 8:23 PM EDT reply actions  

I think we might be more excited that they found an option on Buck than we are about Grady coming back. Do we not think he’s the player that either he used to be or we thought he was? Or are we all just complete nerds?

by VA tribe fan on Apr 16, 2011 8:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Sorry, Grady was the intended antecedent there.

by VA tribe fan on Apr 16, 2011 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

This.

The persuasion is not inherent in the lobster.

by Joel D on Apr 16, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was convinced that he was going to win Cleveland a title before Lebron.

Pretty sure you are right about this one.

Our best players wear suits.

by mauichuck on Apr 16, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, I’d say the odds are with him on that one now.

by Brad D on Apr 17, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

We’re the exact age and have the exact same fan experience. I wonder if we played little league together. Parma Heights?

Il faut d'abord durer.

by CU Adam on Apr 16, 2011 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also the same age with the same fan experience. I also batter leadoff and played center field for my little league teams in highland hts. I remember my all star team getting smoked by the kids from munson, they were good. I always liked sizemore, but I still hold Lofton above him. Maybe cause he always reminded me of Willy Mayes Hayes and what he did against Seattle in the playoffs.

by kedda13 on Apr 17, 2011 5:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Mansfield, but I haven’t lived in Ohio since I was 3, save for two weeks every summer visiting my grandmother.

by TheDanimal on Apr 18, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am totally behind Sizemore’s 2006, but I really think watching Hafner hit that year was even better.

"Spring Training wins are good for the soul."

by USSChoo on Apr 17, 2011 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think the excitement over Buck is strictly the “something for nothing” thing – it really is a unexpected present. That, and we literally do not have a single OF with his tools in the entire farm system, and the thought that we might have lucked into getting him for free when he’s finally healthy and entering his prime years is reason for… well, dreaming.

You’ve certainly hit on something about the lack of excitement regarding Grady’s return. He was/is, after all, the most exciting Tribe player in the last decade. So why not more excitement on this forum (and beyond) on his return? Do we not think he’s a huge upgrade for the team? Here’s Manny:

“Regardless of what type of lineup you have,” Acta said, “when you add Grady Sizemore to any lineup, any team in America, you’re adding to it. Is that an understatement?”

Is it? I think the crux of the issue is in the uncertainty over tense. He was, but is he? True, he’s recovering from injury, but he’s passed all the physical tests and performed very well in his rehab stint. Isn’t Grady at 90% still really good?

I think there’s a bit of a psychological block going on, somewhat connected to the team’s misfortunes the last couple years – nobody’s really written him off, but he doesn’t occupy the same fan headspace right now, for whatever reason.

I hope he starts tomorrow. I hope he can return to the level of play he’s capable of. The shot of him in the dugout today, grinning, young, and excited, kindled something for me at least.

I thought, “shit – Grady could be in CF tomorrow!”

I’m already excited abut this season. I got a little more excited just by seeing him in the dugout today, ready to play.

by mcrose on Apr 16, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

And Castro weighs in:

link

by mcrose on Apr 16, 2011 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

link doesn’t work but I found it.

On the topic of easing him in, we could actually put him 4th for a couple days because let’s face it, he won’t be worse than Carlos has been this week.

"I want to be playing at the end of October or the end of September -- not just at the beginning of April." —Grady

by westbrook on Apr 16, 2011 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

link seems to work – just tried it.

by mcrose on Apr 16, 2011 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

My anxiety with Grady – like Hafner – is that he’s damaged goods. I’m afraid that after 2 or 3 months of pre-injury performance – right when all the chips are on the table – he’s gonna get injured. BTW, did you see the condition of the outfield yesterday – trecherous.

Somewhere I read someone likening post micro-Fx cartilage to recently planted sod. Looks good but can – under the wrong conditions – delaminate in a second. Here’s hoping the new cartilage takes root.

Our best players wear suits.

by mauichuck on Apr 16, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

The anxiety may be the same, but the cases are not equivalent. Haf’s chronic prob is his shoulder, which directly affects his swing. Grady had knee surgery, and even tho the procedure doesn’t have much of a track record, he’s been running around in centerfield pretty well the last couple weeks.

I have no idea if Grady’s gonna make it thru the season, but if he goes 0 for 16 the next few games, its due to rust, not decrepitude. And he just has to go 3 for 16 to be an upgrade.

by mcrose on Apr 17, 2011 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

By the way, I’m so stoked about the parallels between 2007 and 2011 thus far.

*Weirdo snowout close to Opening Day (fine, I’m stretching it to include the pre-season Columbus/Cleveland tilt)
*Hafner squirting a ball down the 3rd base line to beat the shift (scored Dellucci back in 07 if I recall)
*Potential outstanding outifeld defense, a hallmark of our recent strong teams

by cheech99 on Apr 16, 2011 8:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Plus there was Snow days

In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).

by V-Mart Shopper on Apr 17, 2011 3:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

So now I’m really jealous of my son, who will be at the Wednesday night game with his grandfather.

by FredOx on Apr 16, 2011 8:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Hide yo wife, hide yo kids

by Turkmenbashi on Apr 16, 2011 8:56 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Adding Sizemore to this team might do more harm than good. I wonder about the impact on the team chemistry.

Sincerely,
Mainstream Media Guy

by Freneau on Apr 16, 2011 11:26 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Huh?

In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).

by V-Mart Shopper on Apr 17, 2011 3:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Could someone really be that daft to honestly write and publish that dreck?

by Gradyforpresident on Apr 17, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Evidently you have stopped reading every newspaper in Northeast Ohio, possibly the nation.

by Jay on Apr 17, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Admittedly I never really read that much of any paper in Northeast Ohio in the first place.

by Gradyforpresident on Apr 17, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not that there’s anything wrong with this.

by emd2k3 on Apr 18, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know about anyone else here, but I’m in favor or easing Grady back into the lineup in the 7 slot – yes, behind OCab. The success Brantley is having in the leadoff spot is move valuable than the unknown of Grady. Before the injury, Wedge played him in that slot in part because he didn’t have anyone else to fill it.

We have a solid 1-6 in our lineup right now (even if Santana isn’t hitting yet). This has the potential to be a solid 1-7 if Sizemore comes back to even 85% of his old self. This isn’t a putdown against Grady – I truly hope that he’ll come back to his full pre-injury self – but his days as regular Indians leadoff may be past.

I know that this is a weak argument, but with Grady out for such a long time and with the unknowns of microfracture surgery recovery, I don’t know of anything we can say at this point besides what our gut tells us. There are no numbers to cite or cases to be made. My gut says don’t mess with what’s working right now. If Grady is back to being Grady and Brantley slips, make the switch. But don’t fix what ain’t broken.

I just want to believe.

by mjmarble on Apr 17, 2011 12:12 AM EDT reply actions  

I think we should do what is best to win games. By that I mean ease Grady in. Right now, Brantley is becoming a known factor and he is having good success. As someone on the radio also said, Brantley can really only hit in a couple spots in the lineup: 1 and 9, whereas grady has the balance of speed, eye, and power where he can hit anywhere.

Lets say it takes a month for grady to be an effective player in the leadoff spot. think of all the wasted at-bats where we stuck grady in there just because he is grady? especially the way Droobs is hitting, you don’t want a dud at the 1 spot. Right now, we may have the best 1-2 punch to start off a lineup in the league. Lets not throw that out because of grady.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Apr 17, 2011 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right now, Brantley has a 744 OPS with a .348 BAbip that he probably can’t sustain.

Someone on the radio is (unsurprisingly) wrong. Brantley can hit anywhere in the order, and I assure you, the world will not end if he’s hitting 8th or 6th or even 4th. This batting-order “role orthodoxy” is 100% stupidity.

You know where Grady should hit? Right behind Asdrubal leading off, just as he was before the injury.

by Jay on Apr 17, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

good point about the BAbip of Brantley. I did not look that up.

I do take the stuff people on the radio say with a grain of salt. Though, there is more flexibility with sizemore about where he can bat in the lineup (because even though role orthodoxy is a bit stupid, it really wouldn’t make a ton of sense to bat brantley in the middle of the order, but you can make an argument for sizemore).

A healthy sizemore should hit wherever he pleases. I guess I was a little worried that he may not come back healthy and on his game, though so far the results would suggest otherwise.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Apr 17, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Understand, Brantley won’t necessary regress to .300-.310 range. Choo has a .357 career BABIP over 2000 PA at this point, and he’s never finished a season under .347 in the majors. Brantley is unlikely to be a BAbip freak like Choo, and he doesn’t have Choo’s relentless line drive ability — but he does have exceptional speed, which does help.

We won’t know for a few years what he can put up over the long haul, and by that point, we’ll already know other things about him as a hitter that will determine his fate.

by Jay on Apr 17, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah. I do understand that it will not go automatically to .300 but .348 is definitely going to be hard to maintain for a singles hitter who doesn’t hit the ball hard and has to rely on where he places it. The speed does make some of the difference, but not enough for him to keep at the pace he was going and still have a .370 OBP

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Apr 17, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jamey Carrol has a .325 career BABIP, someone with even lower power potential. Doesn’t seem unreasonable that Brantley could shallow out around or slightly above that mark.

Speaking of Carrol, he has a .793 OPS so far this year with the Dodgers. LGFT!

"Spring Training wins are good for the soul."

by USSChoo on Apr 17, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

*Carroll… of course.

"Spring Training wins are good for the soul."

by USSChoo on Apr 17, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wouldn’t be surprised at all if Brantley’s BAbip is in the .320-.330 range. close to .350 like it is is definitely not likely

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Apr 17, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not that I want to get into a big debate about the lineup, but I really like the idea of keeping Cabrera, who looks like a good offensive player against LHP between Sizemore and Choo, who have fairly large platoon splits.

by 7foot3 on Apr 17, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Am I the only one who doesn’t give a crap in the slightest where Grady bats in the order? However Acta wants to handle it, using all the information available to him, I’m fine with it. I don’t consider it worth a second thought.

by Jay on Apr 17, 2011 12:13 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Yep. But we do know he’ll be in CF.

by mcrose on Apr 17, 2011 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would rather not have him bat leadoff because I am wary he may not be effective there, but Acta will have more information on grady’s health so I too will likely support any decision he makes. Even if I don’t have faith in grady, I am starting to have faith in Acta.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Apr 17, 2011 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously. It just doesn’t matter.

by Turkmenbashi on Apr 17, 2011 3:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

A wise man once told me that debating the merits of a manager is the lowest form of baseball discourse. Debating the batting order must be just above that.

by The DiaTriber on Apr 17, 2011 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, shouldn’t you be off somewhere writing something that I’m waiting to read?

absurdism ad absurdum

by stuart dean on Apr 17, 2011 7:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow – you already wrote it. Up early?

absurdism ad absurdum

by stuart dean on Apr 17, 2011 7:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Up late last night actually. Always up early with the kids.

by The DiaTriber on Apr 17, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, it’s lower, because batting order debates are a component of manager debates, and possibly the dumbest component at that.

by Jay on Apr 17, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

No way are they dumber than the “A shirtless Jim Leyland yelled at these grown men and then they started winning games” component.

by afh4 on Apr 18, 2011 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just want him to restore pride to my username.

by Gradyforpresident on Apr 17, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Grady’s Richard Nixon moment, if you will.

by Gradyforpresident on Apr 17, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was about to write this. Really doesn’t matter to me.

by Roger Dorn on Apr 17, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Grady will be fine. What worries me is what the hell we’re going to do with the Donald, Phelps, and Kipnis situation. I guess we’re assuming Valbuena won’t ever be a regular at this point as well.

LGT's resident moderate Yankee hating fan.

by Joe. on Apr 17, 2011 12:49 AM EDT reply actions  

I’m not getting this. What does it mean that they “found” an option on buck? They never bothered to check his playing history until now?

In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).

by V-Mart Shopper on Apr 17, 2011 3:20 AM EDT reply actions  

No, I’m sure they knew about the option already. It’s the writers who are just now finding it.

by Jay on Apr 17, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meant to mention earlier, I would imagine that the option was one reason the Indians were willing to give Buck 625K guaranteed for what was essentially a minor league signing type of player. It just makes him more valuable.

by Jay on Apr 17, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t understand how this could happen. Granted some journalists seem fairly clueless, but some that cover the Tribe (i.e. Pluto or Bastian), I would think, would have uncovered this sort of information during Spring Training. Whether a player has an option or not seems to be a key piece of information when one is reporting on the construction of the lineup near the end of Spring Training. After Crowe became injured, the construct of the outfield became one of the pertinent questions because there was no obvious placeholder for the outfield bench jobs. Wouldn’t an average reporter ask about this exact information. Six weeks ago, I spent an hour trying to figure out how many options Buck had and what I surmised is that he had used up his third option in Oakland. I agree that it is likely that 4th option decisions are made sometime during the offseason by the Commisioner’s office so wouldn’t this be in the press?

From what I can recall most 4th options are given when a player has lost considerable time due to injury. Michael Aubry was a good example from a couple of years ago.

Anyway, probably not an important issue, but maybe it is. There are number of possible future scenarios where he becomes valuable.

by Kenyafan on Apr 17, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whether a player has an option or not seems to be a key piece of information when one is reporting on the construction of the lineup near the end of Spring Training.

Yes, it seems to be, but the fact is that beat reporters typically are not very aware of options, arbitration, etc. They seem to have the casual fan’s understanding of roster construction, i.e., based on what’s on the back of a baseball card. When they discuss contract or financial issues, they tend to write like second-graders, because that’s their level of understanding. It’s all very mysterious and complicated to them.

by Jay on Apr 17, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

But it’s not like their whole livelihood depends on understanding sports. Oh, wait…

And some are not good writers either, and we wonder why mainstream print media is having such a difficult time.

by Kenyafan on Apr 17, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Due to the past 2 seasons, I have already lost hope of Sizemore being the hitter he once was, but even if he’s not as good anymore, adding him to the lineup is an improvement on a team already doing well, so this is good news regardless. Man would it be nice to see the player he used to be, and to think of how much better that would make this team.

In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).

by V-Mart Shopper on Apr 17, 2011 3:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Per Shapiro on Twitter, looks like Grady is back today (& batting leadoff).

by supersizeme on Apr 17, 2011 9:32 AM EDT reply actions  

oof, but also, Mitch Talbot was placed on the DL. Thoughts on his replacement?

by supersizeme on Apr 17, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gomez would be my guess, but its just that.

by Fundamentals on Apr 17, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

to the extent that MiL stats have any influence, it looks like Gomez and Huff have both had decent starts to the AAA season.

by supersizeme on Apr 17, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jeremy Sowers.

Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute

by mjschaefer on Apr 17, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is he even in the organization anymore? I can’t tell.

by Jay on Apr 17, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

wtf

"I want to be playing at the end of October or the end of September -- not just at the beginning of April." —Grady

by westbrook on Apr 17, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

No Brantley in the lineup; anything happen to him yesterday?

Il faut d'abord durer.

by CU Adam on Apr 17, 2011 9:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Either that, or Manny is giving him a day to sit and think about the 0-5.

I’m a bit bummed about the club handing Grady CF and the leadoff spot. Brantley has been quite good in both spots — and Grady is more likely to get himself hurt in CF.

by The Spider That Bit Brian Giles on Apr 17, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Given the nature of the injury, I think he is just as likely to injure himself sliding into second.

"Spring Training wins are good for the soul."

by USSChoo on Apr 17, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Every expert on baseball injuries will tell you that a position switch — any position switch — makes an injury more likely. So your statement is completely false. Familiarity is what he needs to stay healthy, not an “easier” position that he’s never played before.

by Jay on Apr 17, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Call up Pomeranz while he still has an arm!

by Gradyforpresident on Apr 17, 2011 10:45 AM EDT reply actions  

From ESPN.com: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=6375010
“CLEVELAND — Grady Sizemore is back atop Cleveland’s lineup and in center field for the Indians in their Sunday matinee against the Baltimore Orioles.
The club activated the three-time All-Star from the disabled list Sunday, completing Sizemore’s comeback from microfracture surgery on his left knee last season. Sizemore hasn’t played since last May, when he hurt his knee diving back into first base.

The Indians placed starter Mitch Talbot on the DL with a strained right elbow to make room on the roster.

Sizemore hasn’t played a full season since 2008. He was limited to 33 games last season and 106 the previous year. When healthy, Sizemore has been one of the most exciting players in baseball with an uncommon combination of speed, power and hustle.

With Sizemore back, Michael Brantley will shift over to left field and drop in the batting order."

by troyflowers on Apr 17, 2011 11:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, I’m just going to delete the Fanshot. Forgot about this thread.

Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute

by mjschaefer on Apr 17, 2011 11:26 AM EDT reply actions  

That sucks about Talbot. He was pitching very well. MRI negative on the elbow, but it sounds like he strained it pretty good – out 3-4 weeks at least.

Gomez will be the callup. Huff switched to make today’s start in Cbus, Gomez’ regular start is on Tuesday.

by mcrose on Apr 17, 2011 12:06 PM EDT reply actions  

I don’t know, I’d bring Talbot out for the ninth.

/bitter, worthless poster

by YoDaddyWags on Apr 17, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, meaning me, if it wasn’t clear.

by YoDaddyWags on Apr 17, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Indians had some concerns with Talbot’s workload anyway, right? Getting him a DL stint early in the season should put those concerns aside for the remainder of the season.

/irrational optimist

by APV on Apr 17, 2011 1:06 PM EDT reply actions  

/false positive indicatorist

by Jay on Apr 17, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

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